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01:55 < a1fa> o/^
01:55 < a1fa> jcs: o/
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13:14 < fifihyperbola> hello, anybody can help me with setting up the openhttpd for phpbb?
13:14 < fifihyperbola> I created a thjread on phpbb forums, but they advices to ask server setup experts
13:14 < fifihyperbola> https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=2639796
13:14 < fifihyperbola> thanks
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13:17 < avemestr> When root is not set it default to "/htdocs". You set it to "/htdocs/" - I wonder if the last slash has some consequences.
13:18 < fifihyperbola> ok I will have a look
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13:19 < fifihyperbola> nah, it's still the same ;/
13:21 < avemestr> I'm not sure, but I would guess 'location "*.php"' does not match the URL 'http://monsieur.host.bsdforall.org/forum/install/app.php/install.'
13:22 < fifihyperbola> hmm
13:22 < fifihyperbola> yeah you're probably right
13:22 < pardis> I told you that yesterday...
13:23 < fifihyperbola> yeah, but I have no idea how to change it to make this right!
13:23 < avemestr> It could explain why 'http://monsieur.host.bsdforall.org/forum/install/app.php' and the other doesn't..
13:23 < fifihyperbola> I am a beginner
13:23 < avemestr> *works
13:23 < fifihyperbola> I have no idea how to set up the root properly eh
13:23 < pardis> I don't know either, but I would start by looking at their instructions for configuring other web servers and adapt it to httpd's config
13:23 < fifihyperbola> ok
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13:24 < fifihyperbola> I have found something about this but ngixcs server or something like that
13:24 < avemestr> Perhaps "*.php*" would work....
13:25 < sibiria> the problem is still the location directive. you need to make it a MATCH statement, so that it picks up .php files in all paths
13:25 < pardis> more likely you would need to split the path up somehow so you can tell fastcgi the correct script name
13:26 < fifihyperbola> damn
13:26 < fifihyperbola> or maybe I should try to download different forum software
13:26 < fifihyperbola> or try to write one from scratch
13:26 < fifihyperbola> xD
13:26 < sibiria> the problem is your httpd.conf. not phpbb
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13:26 < fifihyperbola> ehh
13:28 < sibiria> what happens if you try this:   location match "[.]php$" { ...
13:29 < fifihyperbola> I'll check
13:29 < pardis> you don't want a $ there
13:30 < pardis> and it's already been stated that it works for paths that actually do end in .php, so those don't need fixing
13:30 < fifihyperbola> :)
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13:32 < fifihyperbola> dang
13:32 < fifihyperbola> ok, thanks anyway
13:32 < sibiria> now check the chroot paths of httpd.conf and php-fpm.conf
13:33 < pardis> that is not the problem, if it were then it wouldn't work at all
13:33 < sibiria> so he is no longer getting "access denied" and "file not found" from the fcgi manager on every request
13:34 < fifihyperbola> what I don't get is that /install/app.php/install not found, but /install/app.php is not a directory but a file, so that confuses me
13:34 < pardis> you probably want something like location match "^(.*\.php)(.*)$" and then to do some rewriting and fastcgi param setting involving %1 and %2 captures from that match
13:34 < fifihyperbola> how is it supposed to find install in app.php if it's not the dir but a file??
13:34 < pardis> because HTTP URLs do not need to be files
13:35 < fifihyperbola> ok
13:35 < pardis> that is supposed to call app.php, which will act differently based on the URL being accessed
13:35 < fifihyperbola> yeah, I thought so
13:35 < pardis> but this requires the web server to know how to extract the actual filename from the URL, which is what you need to do
13:35 < fifihyperbola> yeah
13:35 < pardis> it's unlikely anyone is going to be able to spoonfeed you the answer, you will need to experiment and learn on your own
13:35 < fifihyperbola> and that makes my head explode
13:36 < fifihyperbola> ok
13:36 < fifihyperbola> fair enough
13:36 < fifihyperbola> ok, thank you :)
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13:39 < sibiria> what's confusing about it?
13:40 < sibiria> install/app.php is the script you run to start the installation
13:40 < sibiria> assuredly. i've installed PHPBB a couple of times in the past
13:40 < sibiria> or are you confused about the path the tab sends you to
13:40 < sibiria> the [install] tab on the overview page
13:41 < fifihyperbola> yeah the Install tab on the overview page says 404 not found
13:45 < sibiria> i actually can't recall how that was solved. apache and nginx has the same issue
13:45 < sibiria> it's been with phpBB since v3
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13:47 < avemestr> As pardis suggested, you might be inspired by e.g. the required nginx config: https://unit.nginx.org/howto/phpbb/
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13:51 < fifihyperbola> maybe it's broken because I renamed the phpbb folder?
13:52 < avemestr> They seem to add "*.php/*" to some matching rule...
13:54 < sibiria> maybe try Simple Machines forum, if it's still being updated. it used to be a pretty popular and simpler alternative to phpbb back in the day
13:54 < fifihyperbola> yeah, I will try it
13:54 < fifihyperbola> just want to upload anything
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13:59 < a1fa> o/
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16:09 < fifihyperbola> omg some people suggested me to try different forum to phpbb but I lost the history
16:11 < avemestr> "Simple Machines forum".
16:12 < fifihyperbola> ok thanks
16:12 < fifihyperbola> that's the one
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16:20 < fifihyperbola> yes!
16:21 < fifihyperbola> I think that one should be ok :)
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16:26 < fifihyperbola> ok but it seems like I have to configure mysql too?
16:28 < oldlaptop> you probably want to configure mariadb instead
16:28 < pardis> or postgresql
16:28 < oldlaptop> (or maybe find some forum software that doesn't use mysql or the other mysql, but that's another problem)
16:28 < pardis> SMF can use postgresql
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16:28 < oldlaptop> Oh, that's nice then
16:29 < pardis> it uses it by doing preg_replace on queries written for MySQL, but still...
16:29 < oldlaptop> ...oh no.
16:29 < oldlaptop> I was about to say I'd probably just try to use fossil if for some reason I wanted to set up a web forum.
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16:30 < oldlaptop> (sqlite - in fact that would technically be a BCHS web forum! although I don't know that I'd necessarily want to involve httpd, as opposed to relayd)
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16:41 < fifihyperbola> ok
16:41 < fifihyperbola> yeah I am stuck at set up a database...
16:42 < fifihyperbola> it just asks for the database server details...
16:44 < pardis> probably a good idea to install a database server, then
16:45 < fifihyperbola> The problem is that I hav einstalled mariadb and mysql earlier for wordpress, but I forgot the username and password :(
16:45 < fifihyperbola> and the server name, database port :/
16:45 < jrx> fifihyperbola: do you want to setup a production system (something accessible from internet) ?
16:45 < fifihyperbola> I want to set up a forum
16:46 < jrx> fifihyperbola: yes but if you want your forum to be accessible from internet, just be sure to configure it securely... running on OpenBSD is just the beginning
16:46 < fifihyperbola> yeah
16:47 < jrx> ok, so think : pf rules, logs, password policy, capacity planning, etc.
16:48 < pardis> are you expecting somebody else here to know your username and password?
16:49 < thrig> presumably the second is Hunter2
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16:49 < jrx> 1234
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16:54 < fifihyperbola> ok I will just try to create a new database
16:56 < jrx> phpAdminer
16:56 < avemestr> fifihyperbola: You have a (one) database server. That listens on some port (tcp/3306, IIRC for mysql/mariadb). On that database server you can create multiple databases. In addition to this, you can create multiple users with different permissions on different databases.
16:56 < jrx> https://www.adminer.org/
16:59 < thrig> great fun when that one database server goes down
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17:00 < avemestr> thrig: No, but do you think it would be a good time to introduce fifihyperbola to load balancing, replication and failover?
17:02 < avemestr> He's struggling with the very basic installation. No need to confuse him further.
17:07 < fifihyperbola> now it just says connection reset ah
17:08 < fifihyperbola> yeah well I put username and password to my vps that has mysql installed and name of the database
17:08 < fifihyperbola> I created
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17:08 < oldlaptop> Database servers tend to have their *own* usernames and passwords that are completely separate from the OS ones.
17:09 < fifihyperbola> operation timedout...
17:09 < fifihyperbola> ok
17:09 < avemestr> Some firewall on the database server that blocks incoming connections?
17:09 < fifihyperbola> in etc/pf.ctl?
17:10 < avemestr> There might be in /etc/pf.conf, if you're running OpenBSD on that machine as well.
17:11  * oldlaptop is uncomfortable with the assumption that there are multiple machines involved
17:11 < fifihyperbola> yea
17:13 < avemestr> oldlaptop: He mentioned he had setup wordpress and mysql on a VPS previously created - I assumed it was "somewhere else".
17:13 < avemestr> fifihyperbola: Have you started mysql on the machine in question?
17:14 < fifihyperbola> yea
17:14 < avemestr> oldlaptop: But I might very well be wrong.
17:14 < fifihyperbola> it's on vps
17:14 < oldlaptop> avemestr: (so might I, that's why I'm uncomfortable)
17:14 < avemestr> Are you trying to setup your web forum on the same VPS or on some other machine?
17:15 < fifihyperbola> on the same vps
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17:45 < jrx> fifihyperbola: maybe try to ask chatGPT (I'm serious) It can offer you directions to troubleshoot classic problems like yours
17:46 < thrig> and probably has more patience than humans do
17:46 < jrx> :)
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18:11 < fifihyperbola> damn
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18:44 < sinvet> in this page https://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html url under "some research to test the cryptographic laws" which is https://www.efc.ca/pages/doc/crypto-export.html seems dead
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18:50 < IcePic> sinvet: rules have probably changed since the 90s
18:50 < IcePic> lots of stupid attempts at outlawing crypto in those days
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18:52 < byteskeptical> sinvet: there maybe an updated url somewhere but if you feel up to it you can submit a patch
18:52 < thrig> not so stupid if you can easily decrypt the weak crypto everyone else is using
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18:53 < byteskeptical> IcePic: seems all days end in y...https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/3/f/3f2eaae6-09ad-49e1-b254-46289cf20cca/843D73B1823EA0D4122B4365262410D6.restrict-act-final-text.pdf
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19:52 < oldlaptop> sinvet: Many years ago, the US had relatively stringent laws restricting the export of cryptographic software, on the theory that it qualifies as "munitions"(!), and Canada notably had pretty much no restrictions whatsoever. At some point the regulatory authorities in the US changed their minds and there mostly aren't practical problems with exporting cryptographic software from the US anymore.
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19:54 < oldlaptop> (I don't know offhand whether the thing byteskeptical linked, which is a really long and complicated bill they're debating at the moment, would affect cryptography export if they were to pass it, though I guess it wouldn't be surprising. If it does, that would get to be a practical problem pretty darned quickly, by which I mean enough of a problem that it would probably end up in court...)
19:58 < oldlaptop> You'll see other old references to all this wackiness too, if you look around; for example some old commercial software was sold in the US with real encryption, and in the rest of the world with only support for "export-grade" encryption. (The DRM stuff on video DVDs uses genuine '90s "export-grade" encryption, which is why you can just install openbsd's vlc package and play whatever DVD you want on a genuine 2010s computer without even having to care 
19:58 < oldlaptop> that vlc is breaking the "export-grade" encryption.)
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20:01 < oldlaptop> At least that's *part* of the reason. I think libdvdcss avails itself of at least some of the design mistakes they made at the time too, on top of using weak-even-if-we-did-it-right encryption.
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