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05:14 < Zyxer> Hi, I have a weird issue were my USB headset cannot be used for recording sound at the same time as it is available for playback.  
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05:15 < Zyxer> I have tried to make subdevices, separate for play and rec, specified them, but no matter what I do as long as the device is configured to be able to play I cannot record. On the other hand I can make a mon of it and record from that. 
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05:17 < Zyxer> I tried running the parameters in sndiod double debug mode, and the warning appears when something tries to use my device that Warning: Device set to play-only
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06:59 < sinvet> oldlaptop, thanks for explaining in so much detail ;)
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08:27 < rain0r> Is it possible to wrap the output of "ps -A" using ksh?
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08:29 < renaud> rain0r: what do you mean by "wrap the output"? Something like ps -Aww ?
08:33 < rain0r> renaud: yes, that's what I was looking for. Thanks, got somehow stuck on thinking that's an ksh or tmux issue
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10:29 < lavaball> i did something. the cursor in the terminal is blinking. how do i stop it?
10:33 < IcePic> /sbin/shutdown ;)
10:34 < zelest> uh oh! it's gonna blow!
10:35 < lavaball> shutdown alone doens't do anything.
10:38 < tommyrot> i'd close my curtains if i were you. cursor might be sending your secrets out in morse
10:39 < lavaball> hm i fixed it by starting nvim and leaving it again.
10:39 < lavaball> seriously, no idea what i did.
10:41 < lavaball> anyway, your attempts at humor is appreciated though.
10:44 < lavaball> question is, do i eat something?
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13:51 < mg> hm is there anything in base or ports that can create a .zip archive?
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13:51 < jcs> pkg_add zip
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13:52 < mg> huh didn't find that when doing `pkg_info -Q zip`
13:52 < mg> thanks jcs :)
13:52 < jcs> cheers
13:55 < sibiria> mg: pkg_info -aQ
13:55 < oldlaptop> see also pkg_locate (from the package pkglocatedb)
13:56 < oldlaptop> for that matter, sqlports is fun. (and runs openports.pl)
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14:33 < ecdhe> If I host my own apt repo to distribute my application to debian hosts, how can I best mirror this function for OpenBSD hosts?  Can I make pkg_add install packages from my own server?
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14:34 < thrig> yes?
14:34 < phy1729> man installurl
14:37 < rak> ecdhe: note that your pkg_add can't install your .deb files
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14:37 < ecdhe> rak: well understood!
14:38 < ecdhe> If I'm understanding `man installurl` installurl is a singleton; I can't just add a server that hosts my apps, I'll have to fully mirror https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD and then I can host my own packages amongst the official ones at some new URL to which I would point my own hosts.  Is this correct?
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14:39 < phy1729> There's also the env var PKG_PATH for more complicated thing (defined in man pkg_add)
14:40 < rak> Is there any way to configure a remote IPP printer via /etc/printcap? I know how to configure remote LPD printers, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of IPP in printcap(5) and the printing documentation is a bit sparse.
14:41 < rak> (I know I could install CUPS, but if there is a way to do without, I'd sooner that)
14:41 < thrig> CUPS or LPRng are known to support IPP
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14:45 < rak> thrig: Hmm, LPRng was removed from ports 10 years ago, https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/sysutils/LPRng/Attic/Makefile , so I guess I'll just install cups 
14:47 < ecdhe> thanks phy1729 
14:47 < fluentpwn> hoi! does anyone know how to install openbsd(install72.img) from ventoy? the installer ofc can't access the file sets on the image itself because it's not unpacked. i tried putting the file sets onto the flash drive itself, but can't figure out how to access these files either - directory is always not found.
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14:52 < sibiria> if you have the install sets on a separate storage you need to mount it and point the installer to it
14:52 < sibiria> it asks you about that after you've set the target disk up
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14:53 < fluentpwn> i can try but pretty sure i will not be able to - there is some experimental flag but afaik it only works with linux distros
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14:53 < fluentpwn> (ventoy makes device busy)
14:54 < vortexx> rak: man signify as well, if you want to sign your own packages
14:55 < rak> vortexx: wrong person :)
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14:56 < ecdhe> Does pkg_add check signatures?
14:57 < IcePic> ecdhe: yes
14:57 < ecdhe> How do I get it to trust a package I've built?
14:57 < phy1729> TRUSTED_PKG_PATH
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15:00 < IcePic> point the above ENV var to /usr/port/packages/<arch>/all or something like that
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15:03 < ecdhe> I see that's a bypass of signature checking.  I assume I can make OpenBSD trust my root cert and then it will check/trust my packages without TRUSTED_PKG_PATH
15:05 < phy1729> It's all in pkg_add(1)
15:07 < vortexx> rak: indeed, my message was for ecdhe 
15:07 < vortexx> so
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15:07 < vortexx> ecdhe: man signify as well, if you want to sign your own packages
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15:12 < ecdhe> thanks!
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15:14 < fluentpwn> ok, i tried to mount my main drive instead of my flash drive(i am dualbooting): now it's another problem. installer detects my main drives as ext2fs:though they are btrfs. and there are no utils to mount btrfs - what to do here?
15:15 < fluentpwn> (or i just can't find them idk lol)
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15:28 < fluentpwn> downloading when in iso is not an option either: ifconfig doesn't show my wireless adapter
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15:37 < gnucode> hey friends!
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15:39 < sibiria> friend->hello;
15:40 < gnucode> sibiria: nice. :)  
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15:53 < vortexx> fluentpwn: btrfs isn't supported on OpenBSD and is unlikely to ever be
15:53 < fluentpwn> vortexx: hm, ok, whats the reason though?
15:54 < thrig> a) too complicated b) not enough developers c) no interest d) other
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15:57 < fluentpwn> oh, k
15:58 < pardis> there doesn't need to be a reason to add random filesystems
15:58 < pardis> it is not the norm for one OS to support filesystems of another
15:58 < pardis> s/to add/not to add/
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16:00 < morena> is (W)hole disk MBR during installation just for bios, not possible with only uefi, no CMS?
16:01 < pardis> you can technically install that way with UEFI, the resulting system will simply not boot
16:01 < vortexx> morena: yes it's for bios only. OpenBSD doesn't support mix'n'match between GPT & MBR and bios and uefi
16:03 < pardis> (this may be useful in the rare case where you want to produce an installation on a UEFI system that is intended for booting from a BIOS system)
16:03 < morena> and (G)PT only for uefi?
16:03 < pardis> yes
16:03 < morena> that's good? ;/
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16:28 < gnucode> fluentpwn: it's not usually possible to port filesystems from one OS to another.  Most filesystems use OS specific features.
16:28 < gnucode> that are not easily portable accross OS es.  
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16:38 < WimWalther> Howdy
16:39 < WimWalther> Having trouble with disklabel during install. -A doesn't behave as I believe it should
16:41 < pardis> it's groundhog day!
16:42 < thrig> again?
16:42 < WimWalther> Heh
16:43 < gnucode> WimWalther: are you setting up encrypted hard drive?  
16:44 < WimWalther> No, I'm not. Installing onto vmware ws 16 as generic 64bit os
16:45 < WimWalther> 10gb virtual disk
16:46 < gnucode> WimWalther: you should be able to use the auto install option of the installer.  that's the easiest.
16:46 < a1fa> who's excited?
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16:47 < gnucode> a1fa: excited for the next release?
16:47 < WimWalther> Auto install won't run. It's looking for a file(s) that it can't locate.
16:48 < WimWalther> So I need to use the I install option
16:48 < gnucode> ok.  
16:49 < gnucode> ok I option fair enough.  
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16:50 < gnucode> it should only give you one option to install your hard drive on right?  
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16:50 < WimWalther> But yeah.  10gb disk and it leaves around 4gb unused. / is 2gb, /use
16:51 < WimWalther> And /usr is 3gb
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16:52 < sibiria> that doesn't sound right. a complete base installation is ~1.8 gb
16:53 < sibiria> oh you meant because of your labels
16:53 < WimWalther> Heh, I installed chromium and /ysr
16:53 < WimWalther> And /usr ran out of space
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16:53 < gnucode> WimWalther: I have noticed that the OpenBSD installer doesn't actually take up the whole drive.  I'm running OpenBSD on a 2TB drive and my /home is only 300GB.  I've a lot of free space that cannot be used at the moment.    
16:54 < WimWalther> Yes, those are the auto-allocated sizes
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16:55 < WimWalther> So it's normal to blow off 30-40% of the disk? Nah...
16:55 < sibiria> a fresh install uses about 100 mb for / and 1.5 gb for /usr (which includes xorg)
16:56 < WimWalther> Sure, sounds reasonable
16:57 < sibiria> you'll want a bit of headroom on those two, say +500-750 mb on each, but otherwise that's about it for the base system
16:57 < gnucode> WimWalther: I am actually ok with not using all of the disk, if you have an encrypted disk.  To me that might might it a little harder for an attacker to figure out where your filesystem partitions are.  But I am not a security expert. 
16:58 < sibiria> an additional one or two hundred mb goes into /var usually to keep backups and syspatches
16:58 < sibiria> some make that a separate label. some let it live in /
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17:00 < WimWalther> Sure. Fwiw, I've been using *nix since 1998. It's not totally new to me, though I've not messed with obsd since the 3-4X er
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17:00 < WimWalther> Era
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17:02 < WimWalther> Back then, they didn't offer bootable install images. Buy a cd or roll yr own.
17:04 < jonadab> Installation is so much easier now, than it was in 1998.
17:04 < sibiria> openbsd started providing bootable ISOs in early 2000s
17:05 < jonadab> (Installation of any software in general, I mean, not just BSD.)
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17:05 < WimWalther> Yes, I've noticed
17:06 < WimWalther> It's the Debian effect. Ha
17:06 < sibiria> my best memory of openbsd is installing it in ~2000, and getting it right the first try without any prior *nix experience
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17:06 < sibiria> after i had failed to install a handful of different linux distributions
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17:07 < jonadab> I got Debian 1.3.1 install right on my first try, but I distinctly recall doing a lot of reading, and spending a LOT of time messing around in dselect.
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17:07 < WimWalther> I had a string of linux failures too.. until I tried Slackware, and then I was up & running
17:07 < sibiria> actual guided installer, compared to fifty different "how-tos" from everywhere in order install redhat
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17:08 < lts> Nowadays it is "Just install the software from docker hub with this single curl | sudo bash command. It's maintained by not$cr1ptk3ddi3 so you can trust it"
17:08 < jonadab> Whoever came up with the idea of packages that specify their dependency list, and an installer that automatically resolves them (was apt the first, or only the most famous?), changed everything.
17:08 < WimWalther> I actually succeeded installing RH 4.2.. but couldn't figure out wtf to do with it.
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17:10 < jonadab> Come to think of it, CPAN.pm might've predated apt.
17:10 < jonadab> But anyway.
17:11 < jonadab> I keep waiting for Microsoft to figure out that they could implement something similar, and have it also handle updates.
17:11 < jonadab> One of these decades.
17:12 < lts> I'm certain they have tried to build one
17:12 < WimWalther> So why isn't disklabel behaving per the manpage?
17:12 < lts> Or four
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17:14 < jonadab> lts: And, what, it never made it into the OS because it worked correctly and that would never do?
17:14 < WimWalther> And why does it switch units in mid-stride? From MB to sectors.. that really goofed me up for a bit!
17:15 < jonadab> Everything related to splitting up a disk into portions, has to be done ultimately in sectors.  You can let a user specify a size in some more user-friendly unit, but for allocation purposes it has to be converted into sectors at some point.
17:16 < WimWalther> https://flickr.com/photos/196441170@N08/
17:17 < WimWalther> I put some sshots on stupid Flickr as I'm temp locked out of my Linux shell
17:18 < WimWalther> You can see the errant behaviors
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17:19 < oldlaptop> What "behaviors" strike you as "errant"? (It's printing sizes in sectors because you told it to; if you want, say, megabytes, you specify that unit; `p m` or so)
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17:20 < WimWalther> I don't recall asking it to print in sectors, it seems to have done that by itself.
17:20 < oldlaptop> Did you see the part about how to "indicate units other than sectors"?
17:20 < jonadab> That's *presumably* the default.
17:21 < WimWalther> Old lap in the manpage?
17:21 < oldlaptop> In the help output in your own screenshot
17:21 < WimWalther> Sorry on a phone..
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17:22 < jonadab> To my eye, "Suffixes can be used to indicate units other than sectors" strongly suggests that sectors are the default unit, which makes sense.
17:23 < WimWalther> Right, sure. But it started in MB.. I Believe
17:25 < oldlaptop> It shouldn't have, although the *installer* showed the autolayout sizes to you in MB, before it offered to drop you to a disklabel(8) prompt to edit them.
17:28 < WimWalther> Sure, ok. Just seems like a goofy thing to do.. you can see it in the 3rd sshot
17:28 < WimWalther> e, p - and now reporting in sectors
17:29 < WimWalther> But this is just a side issue
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17:30 < WimWalther> Point is that A doesn't do what it says it should do. "Use Entire disk" doesn't mean "leave 30%+ unused"
17:31 < sibiria> does it really leave 30% unused?
17:31 < sibiria> no auto-resize happening?
17:31 < WimWalther> And I Naturally assume I'm making the error.. but that doesn't seem to be the case
17:31 < oldlaptop> You've been told already that autolayout can leave some of the disk unallocated. It's behaving as the manual page describes for a disk of that size. (I didn't remember offhand that it'll leave some of a disk that's juuuust under 10GiB unallocated)
17:32 < xtile> I remember OpenBSD used to leave more than half the disk space unused by default.
17:32 < WimWalther> Nope. Lookbat the sshots
17:32 < xtile> Haven't tried in a while.
17:32 < oldlaptop> At least the 7.2 manual. I think the -current one may have a typo(?)
17:33 < oldlaptop> either that or -current absolutely won't leave any unallocated space on a disk under 400GB or so
17:33 < WimWalther> I'm using a 7.2 install image
17:33 < xtile> How much empty space will it leave on a 4TB disk, oldlaptop?
17:33 < oldlaptop> Then I fail to see what's not behaving as described in https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.2/disklabel#AUTOMATIC_DISK_ALLOCATION
17:33 < sibiria> WimWalther: just delete 'd' and 'e' and add them as you see fit. it takes 30 seconds only
17:33 < xse> i recall disklabel confused me a bit too at first, the "Quantities are rounded to the nearest cylinder when units are specified for sizes" thing sometimes triggers my ocd i hate that df doesn't report the sizes i entered https://0x0.st/HHnQ.txt not worth reinstalling tho
17:33 < oldlaptop> xtile: It'll allocate space up to a set maximum size for each partition.
17:34 < oldlaptop> That appears to sum up to just under 400GB with the 7.2-release table
17:34 < WimWalther> Well, initially it has stock part sizes
17:34 < vortexx> WimWalther: did you by any chance decide to enlarge your OpenBSD partition and then found disklabel isn't using all the new space added?
17:35 < WimWalther> Then once those ads satisfied, it should distribute the extra per a set scheme as listed in man
17:35 < oldlaptop> WimWalther: You're getting the set scheme for "Disks > 2.5 Gigabytes", not the one for "Disks >= 10 Gigabytes"
17:35 < WimWalther> Vortex no, not that I'm aware of
17:36 < oldlaptop> and each of those four partitions is at its maximum size
17:37 < WimWalther> Ok, well ill review this all again tonight
17:38 < sibiria> for quick tests and such i just go with a single / label
17:38 < sibiria> it's fine for just getting familiar with openbsd
17:38 < oldlaptop> (It is very much *not* fine for any sort of production system)
17:39 < WimWalther> I realize.
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17:40 < oldlaptop> *maybe* in some wacky case where (a) you don't actually have room for more than one partition and (b) for some reason this is acceptable for the production application - maybe it's a pure firewall or something, say
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17:41 < sibiria> file system separation and node settings isn't exactly a security linchpin of openbsd. i wouldn't freak out about being stuck with such a layout on a production system
17:42 < oldlaptop> Things have been known to *break* for one-giant-/ systems, because they're not supported and therefore not really tested
17:42 < WimWalther> I tend to carve up my linux disks pretty well, so I'm aware of the utility
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17:43 < sibiria> oldlaptop: what things? if you have any actual examples
17:44 < WimWalther> Thanks for your help, each of you.
17:44 < oldlaptop> three or four releases ago a handful of people came out of the woodwork on misc@ at release time with one-giant-/ systems that just broke on upgrade - meaning nobody running -current, for that whole release cycle, had noticed
17:44 < oldlaptop> (Something to do with the bootloader being displeased with the new kernel's location on disk)
17:44 < WimWalther> I'll try to drop in later this eve, I'm in US/CST.
17:44 < sibiria> that sounds very foreign to me - i've run a handful of "all in /" systems for a decade now, in places where i've had no option
17:45 < WimWalther> 12:45pm here
17:46 < oldlaptop> "had no option" meaning what? If it's a 5GB disk or something, bootloader shenanigans aren't really going to be a problem (these were people with terabyte-scale / partitions or something like that)
17:46 < sibiria> as in pre-built install images provided for users
17:46 < sibiria> no option for vnc or providing own image to install yourself etc.
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17:55 < vortexx> yeah that sounds very much like a terabyte scale / issue oldlaptop , I've run into that myself by not placing my openbsd partition on the laptop within the first terabyte
17:56 < sibiria> i'm familiar with kernel having to be within boot rom area
17:57 < sibiria> was more of an issue in old days when this <500m in size
17:57 < oldlaptop> vortexx: The "issue", if I recall correctly, was that the exact cutoff moved
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17:57 < mischief> i use one big /, yolo
17:57 < oldlaptop> (and nobody noticed, because terabyte-scale-/ is not a configuration that gets tested)
17:57 < thrig> less amusing was when stunnel's log hit 2G and then stunnel stopped doing anything at all
17:58 < sibiria> does efi even have this problem?
17:59 < sibiria> even modern BIOS (oxymoron) usually has many-digits GB breadth for boot rom area
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21:12 < gnucode> Do you suppose the OpenBSD developers would appreciate a diff to let mount work like this:  "# mount sd2i /mnt/usb"  
21:12 < gnucode> Notice the mount command said "sdi2" not "/dev/sdi2".
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21:13 < martian67> if you want behaviour like that, put it in /etc/fstab
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21:13 < martian67> mount /mnt/usb will work then
21:14 < captnemo> Uh, is anyone else getting a segfault with tor-browser on openbsd-current?
21:15 < captnemo> In the dmesg logs I get pledge "proc", syscall 195, but disabling pledge doesn't seem to help.
21:16 < pardis> pledge violations will not cause a segfault
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21:17 < captnemo> pardis: oh
21:17 < captnemo> my bad
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21:22 < WimWalther> Howdy
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22:10 < gnucode> martian67: I actually set up hotplugd already.  :)
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