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00:33 < morena> is loopback lo0 in smtpd.conf for those system emails or is it used for something else?
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00:59 < gnucode> morena: I believe.  Here's how you can trust me.  I just installed OpenBSD a few days ago and still can't get smptd to work.  :)
01:01 < morena> how is that possible? it practically works if you uncommend two lines in default config? ;/
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01:04 < morena> dkim fuckery?
01:05 < morena> I am already receiving "offerings" from Indians every day ;/
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01:13 < a1fa> pkg_info minetest
01:14 < morena> infinite-world block sandbox game
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01:21 < a1fa> what kind of offers
01:22 < gnucode> morena: I am trying to set it up as a relay.  And no idea.  :(
01:22 < gnucode> I am trying to get it to send email from my dismail.de account. 
01:23 < morena> there is like first example in smtpd.conf for that
01:24 < gnucode> morena: I never claimed to be able to follow directions well.   
01:27 < morena> ye, just copy that shit ;/
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01:35 < a1fa> hey anyone dabble with oracle cloud?
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01:37 < a1fa> icy's guide is actually very helpful
01:39 < morena> tried sign in several times, they always somehow refused ;/ don't like me
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01:52 < morena> oh shit, starting to play with pf
01:53 < a1fa> good stuff
01:53 < morena> ye, no idea how it disconnected from some irc networks ;/
01:54 < morena> I flushed something and I think it did that ;/
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01:57 < morena> it's still egyptian for me, touching it first time
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02:11 < Zyxer> gnucode: Plz read documentation and follow instructions. It will make your life easier. I guess you come from linux due to your username, trust me, linux may not have the best documentation or such but it is really good on OpenBSD ;D
02:14 < morena> I started by adding antispoof thing there, hope I will not block something needed with it
02:15 < morena> it says default is okay, but it looks default does practically nothing
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04:42 < byteskeptical> Theo's CanSecWest talk was awesome. Had no idea arm64 was gadget free.
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05:33 < thesaint> Hello! Does anyone have any good instructions on how to install Mate desktop on OpenBSD 7.2
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06:39 < Zyxer> thesaint: What problems do you have?
06:40 < Zyxer> just, pkg_add mate
06:41 < Zyxer> and then add mate to your .xsession I guess. If you haven't enabled xenodm then do that
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07:12 < lavaball> is our tar what they call bsdtar over on linux?
07:13 < pony> hi
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07:15 < byteskeptical> lavaball: one of them yes
07:18 < lavaball> shiny.
07:18 < lavaball> thanks.
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09:17 < zelest> Wait, nsd doesn't allow you to log queries? :(
09:18 < zelest> tcpdump to the rescue then!
09:19 < vortexx> zelest: man nsd says -l will log to stderr or syslog
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09:19 < vortexx> or to a specified logfile
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09:20 < vortexx> I guess an increased verbosity via -V would get you queries logged
09:20 < zelest> nope
09:20 < zelest> Verbosity 2 prints additionally soft errors, like connection resets over TCP.  And notify refusal, and axfr request refusals.
09:21 < zelest> It won't get more verbose than that. :)
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12:08 < a1fa> hello friends
12:08 < a1fa> o/
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12:21 < renaud> hello a1fa 
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12:28 < a1fa> how are you renaud 
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12:48 < renaud> still waiting for 7.3 :D
12:49 < vortexx> things I missed when upgrading to 7.2: BIND was bumped to v9.18 which supports DoT and DoH. Need to set that up...
12:49 < renaud> unbound also supports DoT
12:49 < renaud> unfortunately, no DoH in base
12:49 < vortexx> renaud: same... for the systems I need to use sysupgrade to update
12:50 < zelest> DoH is madness though :P
12:50 < renaud> but unbound+dnsdist makes a quite good DoH
12:50 < renaud> DoH is faster than DoT
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12:50 < zelest> really?
12:50 < renaud> yes, and a lot faster
12:50 < zelest> O_o
12:51 < zelest> how is that possible?
12:51 < renaud> that's because it can use all the https trick to keep the connection open
12:51 < zelest> ahh
12:51 < zelest> fair enough
12:51 < zelest> I use DoW :D
12:51 < zelest> DNS-over-WireGuard
12:52 < renaud> I use DoT for android devices because it doesn't really support better.
12:53 < renaud> but I have a profile for apple devices too, which uses DoH instead
12:53 < zelest> I don't bother with that on my phone at all
12:53 < sibiria> i use DoT, because i don't like the idea of involving http with all its peculiarities for name resolutions. response times are reasonable for my private use
12:53 < zelest> I expect "others" to see anything on my phone anyway
12:53 < sibiria> [25%]=0.0797684 median[50%]=0.195483 [75%]=0.361385
12:53 < renaud> well, that's where it's the most useful, on portable devices that hold a lot of personal stuff
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12:54 < renaud> I have DNS servers configured to suppress tracking, invisible cryptomining, etc
12:54 < zelest> renaud, you're still tracked like crazy though :P
12:54 < renaud> they are available directly on the net, you just need to know the name :)
12:55 < zelest> If I want to avoid being tracked, I avoid my phone
12:55 < renaud> host time.google.com
12:55 < renaud> time.google.com is an alias ......
12:56 < renaud> but that also suppresses ads, so that's bandwidth not wasted on phone
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12:56 < zelest> mhm, I use an adblocker though
12:56 < engler> If I want to avoid tracking, I simply use a DoH server from google with a DNT header. This will work, 100%! /s
12:56 < zelest> :D
12:56 < renaud> lol
12:57 < dkeav> whats so funny? you think a big corp like google would lie?
12:57 < renaud> zelest: with DoT, no need for an ad blocker, and that works in programs other than browsers
12:57 < renaud> also, I redirect some stuff elsewhere to be able to watch some things that are unavailable in my country
12:57 < zelest> renaud, in these modern times, is there anything other than browsers? ;)
12:58 < sibiria> renaud: doesn't stream reuse for DoT offer almost similar benefits as TCP keep-alive for DoH?
12:58 < zelest> my aim is still to use my phone as little as possible
12:58 < renaud> sibiria: so-reuseport ?
12:59 < renaud> that option stalls the servers from time to time
12:59 < sibiria> renaud: tcp-reuse-timeout and max-reuse-tcp-queries
12:59 < renaud> note that I haven't rtried enabling it recently
13:00 < renaud> sibiria: those reuse are enabled by default, and DoH is still ways faster
13:01 < renaud> I get twice the speed with DoH
13:03 < sibiria> really surprising, given that it's a pretty complex protocol to parse. i wonder if the stream reuse is really working correctly or if it still does some signature verification dance on every request
13:04 < engler> But why can't you do this over TLS? I mean, HTTPS connection keep-alives also depend on TCP/TLS fundamentals.
13:04 < engler> At least with HTTP/1.1
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13:05 < sibiria> what's what i'm wondering. DoT is out the outside the same TLS-over-TCP 
13:06 < sibiria> on the outside*
13:06 < sibiria> strange that it doesn't at the very least perform equally
13:09 < sibiria> renaud: do you happen to have response times output to share? the percentiles
13:10 < pardis> RFC 7858 says "To avoid excess TCP connections, each with a single query, clients SHOULD reuse a single TCP connection to the recursive resolver."
13:10 < pardis> so it seems like this should already be the behaviour for DoT
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13:10 < sibiria> with unbound it is today. wasn't always the case
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13:12 < sibiria> it didn't do reuse until 2021 or something
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13:44 < renaud> sibiria: I am testing with nebulo, but maybe you know better ways of testing
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13:45 < renaud> well, I could use knot I suppose
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13:46 < sibiria> renaud: i mainly meant the response times unbound outputs in its statistics, if you have such enabled
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13:50 < renaud> I don't have those stats
13:50 < coreystephanphd> Does anyone have a working build of Zotero and/or JabRef? Open source academic citation/reference managers. See also my message from yesterday in misc@ :)
13:56 < renaud> funny, if I use kdig, it's faster with DoT than DoH
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14:04 < renaud> pardis: I guess the implementations don't always use the same way of doing things
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14:14 < thrig> what's next, DNS over Gopher?
14:15 < pardis> I'd gopher that
14:16 < morena> I played with pf yesterday a bit, now I see something I am not sure about ;/
14:16 < morena> block in on vio0: 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67:  xid:0x9c9635a secs:49 [|bootp] [tos 0x10]
14:16 < IcePic> morena: some dhcp request
14:17 < morena> is it needed? now I disabled dhcpleased and resolvd as I use static IP
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14:18 < morena> pflog produces me now like 1000 lines every hour ;/
14:19 < sibiria> it's more likely to be service announcements from your ISP
14:19 < sibiria> video, voice etc.
14:19 < sibiria> (TV channels and telephony product offered by them)
14:19 < IcePic> sibiria: "can I tell you about your expiring car insurance?" on port 68 ;)
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14:20 < sibiria> tos 0x666, may i tell you about the Lord and Savior
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14:20 < morena> hmm, interesting, it's vps
14:20 < morena> so nothing worry about?
14:20 < sibiria> 1000 such per hour is a lot for a VPS
14:20 < IcePic> morena: even if it was something to worry about, your pf config blocked it
14:20 < IcePic> sibiria: well, one packet every 3s. 
14:21 < pardis> if your VPS is on a network with other VPSes, it is unsurprising that broadcast traffic such as DHCP would show up on your vio0
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14:22 < thrig> some systems, possibly those from Redmond, are known to spam the network with broadcast traffic moreso than others
14:24 < morena> I never touched pf before, I think it's good idea to show you my piece ;/
14:24 < morena> if it's not really "broken"
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14:24 < morena> http://morena.rip/pf.conf.txt
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14:25 < pardis> is there a particular reason you are passing dns on udp twice?
14:25 < morena> looks like things work, but that huge pf log is scarry
14:26 < sibiria> my advice is, don't log unless you actually need to
14:26 < morena> oh second line from bottom unnecessary?
14:27 < morena> ye, but just touched it first time yesterday so kept it 
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14:38 < morena> hopa
14:40 < morena> if I flush pf it diconnect everything?
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14:41 < IcePic> morena: then new states need to be made, yes
14:41 < IcePic> or wait
14:42 < IcePic> only reloading pf.conf is not "flushing", it will retain old accepted sessions
14:42 < IcePic> but actually flushing with -F or -k or something would disconnect sessions
14:43 < morena> ye I did both
14:43 < morena> as I understood, reload keep also old
14:44 < IcePic> which is a problem if you want to block something and you reload some rules that now contains "block in from x to y port z", since it will only apply to new connections made after the pf.conf got reloaded
14:45 < IcePic> but it also means one can ssh in, change pf.conf and load the new one without getting dropped out of the ssh login
14:45 < morena> I was freaked from whole pf guide and all examples I saw here and there which were usually huge
14:45 < morena> but if something like this will work, not that complicated after all
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14:47 < morena> I assume I don't need to run dhcpleased if static ip is setup
14:48 < sibiria> correct. you don't need to run resolvd either
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14:53 < morena> thanks, was not really 100% sure about that
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15:09 < jf> my preference is to use the interface groups in my pf.conf files. I'm guessing your vio0 is in group egress and you have both egress and vio0 in your pf.conf. some groups are assigned by the kernel (like egress) and I usually put "group foo" in my /etc/hostname.vio0 so i can use "foo" in my pf.conf. I have "group internal" for my internal interfaces and "group vpn" my vpn (server) interfaces with pf.conf rules referring to "internal" and "vpn" in place of the
15:09 < jf>  specific interfaces. i find it easier to keep pf.conf simple with the interface groups.
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16:03 < lavaball> when 7.3 comes out, can i actually switch from current to stable? i mean it's a sysupgrade like any other, right?
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16:06 < lts> sysupgrade -r
16:07 < lts> i.e. You can switch to release at least, and from release to stable 
16:07 < lavaball> ah, thanksa bunch.
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16:40 < vortexx> lavaball: avoid doing any sysupgrades till release comes out though
16:41 < lavaball> i haven't done any no that box. it's another lapto where i accidentally jumped to current.
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16:42 < vortexx> ok
16:43 < lavaball> i appreciate the warning though.
16:44 < lavaball> it's always best to assume i don't know anything, because the few things i know i make up in very low conscientiousness.
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16:59 < typicat> does anyone know the url for that site that has lots of different dmesg's? (not openbsd specific)
17:00 < typicat> dmesgd... something
17:01 < lavaball> like a book for poems?
17:01 < typicat> exactly
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17:02 < lavaball> are they like... why?
17:02 < lavaball> today is a confusing day, i tell you.
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17:07 < lavaball> seriously. i really don't now. why would you collect dmesgs?
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17:14 < tommyrot> https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi
17:15 < tommyrot> it can be useful if you want to find out whether your hardware is supported
17:15 < lavaball> but aren't there lists for openbsd? or are they incomplete as well?
17:16 < lavaball> everything is incomplete these days. 
17:16 < lavaball> though i can see how this could actually be useful in some fringe cases. 
17:16 < lavaball> i'll allow it
17:17 < typicat> that is the one tommyrot, thank you
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17:54 < riceandbeans> So, I have a friend that wants to be able to work from home, has his own small company, I was thinking about getting https://protectli.com/vault-2-port/ and throwing OpenBSD on it with OpenVPN, wondering if you guys think it might be overkill
17:55 < riceandbeans> He doesn't have anything running over there I could just virtualize with :\
17:55 < riceandbeans> He mostly needs to RDP to certain hosts inside
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17:57 < sibiria> riceandbeans: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h3/
17:57 < sibiria> then let us know if openbsd even boots up on it and if it sees all hardware
17:58 < riceandbeans> pffft
17:58 < sibiria> it's a lot more PC and about 30% cheaper (with case + PSU)
17:58 < riceandbeans> I run my home network on the 4 port version of the protectli
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18:01 < sibiria> protectli's products are just rebadged chinese noname products
18:01 < lavaball> shouldn't we tell him to use wireguard instead of openvpn?
18:02 < sibiria> they slap coreboot on them and call them their own product
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18:02 < sibiria> but definitely neat hardware
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18:15 < riceandbeans> I'm not going to set up wireguard on this box, I don't want to complicate things
18:16 < riceandbeans> I have to teach him how to RDP to hosts, his stuff likely doesn't support WireGuard
18:16 < riceandbeans> He's connecting from old Windows hosts to even older Windows hosts
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18:19 < a1fa> are we there yet
18:19 < a1fa> (7.3)
18:19 < thrig> RDP gets attacked a lot
18:19 < a1fa> ssh portforwarding
18:19 < a1fa> you could set it up in tanded with rdp client
18:19 < a1fa> tandem*
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18:22 < riceandbeans> Yeah well he's going to be RDP'ing to a Win XP box so it doesn't get much better.
18:22 < riceandbeans> All I'm trying to do is let him work from home
18:23 < riceandbeans> I don't think Windows supports WireGuard, let alone the versions he's got, and OpenVPN is pretty tried and true
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18:23 < riceandbeans> I think WG is awesome, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it'll work in this scenario.
18:25 < a1fa> ssh forwarding is going to be the easiest 
18:25 < a1fa> for 1:1 mapping
18:25 < riceandbeans> How am I supposed to have him do SSH on Windows to Windows?
18:25 < sibiria> there's an official wireguard windows client/server
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18:26 < sibiria> i ran it on windows 7 a few years ago. not sure if it runs on vista or xp
18:27 < riceandbeans> I would feel irresponsible exposing anything Windows to a public network even if it were the latest most patched thing.
18:27 < riceandbeans> And I could not in good conscience do that to a friend.
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18:28 < sibiria> so i take it you're not up to teaming up with me for a pair of ODroid H3
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18:28 < sibiria> why does everyone reject my plan? lavaball ditched me as well
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18:28 < riceandbeans> Throwing down $400 on a maybe it works, maybe it doesn't?
18:28 < sibiria> will i really have to go solo on this?
18:28 < sibiria> well the computer is $129, but who knows what else you'll buy
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18:29 < riceandbeans> Booze to drown my sorrows when it doesn't work
18:29 < sibiria> iirc something like $160 when pimped with all the little bits one wants on the side
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18:29 < sibiria> (sata/power cable, case, psu etc.)
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18:32 < lavaball> sibiria, i did? i'm sorry. what's your plan?
18:32 < lavaball> oh, the odroid.
18:32 < sibiria> why, to take over the world with a very small and quiet openbsd computer
18:32 < lavaball> yeah, i see where you are coming from but you are on yoru own there.
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18:33 < sibiria> in reality i'm just looking for some contingency planning because my current mini-itx thing is not likely to live forever, and the odroid h3 seems like a perfect replacement
18:33 < lavaball> openbsd isn't meant for that. it's a desktop system for grown ups. if you want to take over the world you need soemthing easily accessible and robust.
18:33 < lavaball> may i remind you of the hardware backdoors?
18:34 < lavaball> we had that conversation already, i think.
18:34 < lavaball> then again you probably have one of those rectangle shaped tracker devices with you too. 
18:34 < sibiria> i unfortunatly come up short trying to find a similar device but with Arm64. i really need two SATA ports for my storage requirements
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18:35 < sibiria> ditto goes for AMD facsimile, which i have trust in unlike intel
18:36 < lavaball> well, you could put some old coreboot hardware in front of it. that's how i do it.
18:36 < lavaball> and arm64 doesn't mean backdoor free either.
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18:36 < sibiria> it means not-intel, which is on the top of my list up there with not-designed-in-china
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18:37 < riceandbeans> Not like designed or built in the USA is very different except that the backdoors are for the NSA instead of Chinese govt
18:38 < sibiria> yes and if i had to choose a team i'd go with Team West any day
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18:39 < lavaball> why is everyone out for themselves? or better: why did we let it come this far? oh wait ... i already hvae all the answers. nevermind.
18:39 < lavaball> oh, wait! rhetorical question.
18:39 < lavaball> wow, max payne!
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18:39 < sibiria> maybe fully open risc-v SoCs will be a thing in the future
18:39 < sibiria> until then we'll pick the lesser evil
18:39 < morena> oh that odroid looks okay
18:40 < riceandbeans> I mean, I'm not saying China good, USA bad, I'm saying they're both going to have mandated backdoors and I don't trust either.
18:40 < lavaball> but then you would need the hardware to check their work. 
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18:40 < lavaball> riceandbeans, and you are right not to.
18:40 < highplainsdruid> da, comrade
18:40 < gnucode> power9 is an option too, if you can afford it.
18:40 < lavaball> oh, i read about that.
18:40 < riceandbeans> power still exists?
18:41 < gnucode> yup.  raptor engineering. i'll post a link
18:41 < gnucode> https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/   
18:41 < lavaball> i was too slow for the he-man joke.
18:41 < lavaball> crpa.
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18:41 < gnucode> riceandbeans: it's a $3,000 - $6,000 desktop machine.  It's a beast, but I don't think OpenBSD runs super well on it yet. 
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18:42 < gnucode> as in I don't believe that X runs well on it.
18:42 < lavaball> are we ever switch to this wayland? since you mentioned x.
18:42 < lavaball> or is openbsd making its own?
18:42 < riceandbeans> How? Wayland is Linux specific
18:43 < riceandbeans> It's got systemd stuff bolted into the core
18:43 < lavaball> wahhh
18:43 < lavaball> it does?!
18:43 < lavaball> i keep forgetting.
18:43 < riceandbeans> Unless that's changed...
18:43 < morena> well still relativelly safe if spy is on other side of the earth and don't care about you but ...
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18:43 < lavaball> i don't nkow. i really don't know anything. i just ask dumb questions.
18:43 < riceandbeans> Me too.
18:43 < gnucode> lavaball: The OpenBSD wayland maintainer (Simon Sir) does want to support the *BSDs though. 
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18:44 < lavaball> well, i'll allow it then.
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18:45 < gnucode> riceandbeans: it is possible to run wayland on linux without systemd.  GNU Guix, Gentoo and others do it.  But there are a ton of linux specific stuff in wayland still.  :(
18:45 < lavaball> actually, now that i think about it, the only thinig i want is being able to draw here. but i have cth not ctj wacom tablet. so GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!
18:45 < gnucode> Though you can run wayland on FreeBSD.
18:45 < lavaball> oh, the darkplaces engine could also run on openbsd. well, i want to be able to compile it. but that's really it then. everything else i great.
18:45 < lavaball> i'm not using freebsd. i find it rather pointless actually.
18:46 < lavaball> if you want features, you go with linux. if you want security you go with openbsd. the inbetween stuff i don't bother with.
18:46 < lavaball> i would have tried it for zfs, but then i realized it also has pf.
18:48 < riceandbeans> gnucode: freebsd has linux emulation layers so I'm not surprised it would support wayland.
18:50 < lavaball> can i pkg_add -Dsnap package on a stable system? is that allowed? 
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18:51 < riceandbeans> The hell is -Dsnap?
18:52 < lavaball> i learned that here. i always thought it had to be -D snap.
18:52 < lavaball> but we are extra cool and leave out the space.
18:52 < lavaball> (and read the topic).
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18:56 < byteskeptical> riceandbeans: a flag
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18:56 < byteskeptical> riceandbeans: a flag with big D energy
18:57 < riceandbeans> Oh it's for people running snapshots
18:57 < phy1729> lavaball: no, base and ports need to match
18:57 < riceandbeans> I only run releases
18:57 < riceandbeans> phy1729: But what if I don't like ABI compatibility?
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18:58 < phy1729> You get to keep all the pieces
19:00 < lavaball> okay thanks. but i was told here once that i could install newer packages on a stable system. i forgot how though, becuase i'm old and lonely.
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19:04 < gnucode> riceandbeans: do you know how well dbus runs on OpenBSD?  I know it wasn't designed to run on OpenBSD well...
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19:04 < riceandbeans> gnucode: No idea, I don't run it.
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19:05 < gnucode> riceandbeans: really?  Are you sure.  I thought gtk was almost requiring dbus' use now.
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19:11 < riceandbeans> gnucode: positive, no dbus on my openbsd systems
19:12 < riceandbeans> My desktop has it, but I'm running DragonFly BSD on my desktop
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19:14 < lavaball> children are here. proper fortress it is! laters.
19:15 < gnucode> riceandbeans: how is DragonFly BSD?  It x86 only right?
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19:22 < riceandbeans> Only 64bit x86 at that
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19:23 < riceandbeans> I like it, though the browsers for it have stability issues, but beyond that it runs great
19:23 < riceandbeans> Firefox and Chrome crash a lot
19:23 < mischief> today i set up npppd
19:23 < mischief> very nice and easy :-)
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19:30 < gnucode> weird question...what sort of simple OpenBSD projects would an OpenBSD developer do for say $100.  port a package?  
19:31 < morena> did not even know there is npppd in /etc ;/
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19:37 < pardis> gnucode: you would have to ask an OpenBSD developer, but consider that most of them have jobs and work on OpenBSD because it is fun/rewarding in itself for them
19:37 < pardis> if you try to make it a second job, the most likely response is "no thank you" or some less polite equivalent
19:37 < avemestr> a1fa: The date is April 10 as it stands now.
19:37 < thrig> but in what base?
19:38 < gnucode> pardis: how many paid developers work on OpenBSD full time?
19:38 < pardis> I know of only one
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19:41 < gnucode> pardis: Theo?
19:42 < pardis> yes
19:44 < pardis> also, in all but the simplest of cases (which you could easily do yourself), it is hard to predict how much time it will take to create a port of something
19:44 < pardis> so your $100 could easily be $100/hour or $5/hour
19:44 < jcs> jsg is paid to do drm updates
19:45 < avemestr> And related amdgpu.
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19:49 < gnucode> are there any 
19:49 < gnucode> OpenBSD developers that live code?
19:49 < seninha> Hi, I'm writing a port and the program installs its manpages at ${MANPREFIX}, which expands to ${PREFIX}/share/man/. Is the variable MANPREFIX set by make? I could not find any reference to that variable at bsd.port.mk(5)
19:52 < dayid> seninha: seems pretty usual to me but perhaps I don't understand the question. /usr/local/share/man is pretty usual
19:53 < seninha> dayid: the default installation directory for manuals on OpenBSD is /usr/local/man
19:53 < avemestr> gnucode: I'm sure they're quite alive when they code.
19:53 < gnucode> avemestr: haha.  :)
19:54 < dayid> seninha: ok
19:54 < dayid> ah, right - just my source-installed tarsnap is in /usr/local/share/man. shrug
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19:59 < jcs> wouldn't it be nice if there were a package of tarsnap
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20:54 < morena> okay I am trying now even more simplify pf.conf 
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20:55 < morena> if "block in" and rest are just pass in rules do I have to specify pass out at all?
20:55 < pardis> yes
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20:55 < morena> how comes? what blocks out ?
20:56 < pardis> nothing, but return traffic for outbound connections will be blocked
20:56 < pardis> from pf.conf(5): "the default action is to pass the packet without creating a state"
20:57 < morena> http://morena.rip/pf.conf2.txt
20:58 < morena> you mean like when I start something and answer is blocked?
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20:59 < morena> so pass out on egress all should be there even nothing is blocking out?
20:59 < morena> or I assume without "all" as it's auto
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21:07 < morena> or you mean, like that pass out will create that "state" and save processing return answers throw all rules every time?
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21:09 < pardis> yes, but then you would also need a pass in rule matching the appropriate flags (probably SA/SA and maybe some other stuff for non-TCP states) if you wanted it to work without pass out
21:09 < pardis> but it's much easier and more idiomatic to just create the state outbound
21:10 < morena> okay, I put pass out there with comment #pardis said so
21:10 < pardis> you can easily verify this by yourself by removing pass out and observing that outbound connections can no longer be established
21:11 < morena> no way
21:11 < morena> nothing can block it
21:11 < thrig> nothing... can block, me now -- NIN, probably
21:12 < morena> what's that?
21:13 < morena> "pass out on egress" is enough or "pass out on egress all" is necessary?
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21:14 < morena> oh shit, you was right ;/
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21:21 < fluentpwn> i've seen this reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/rhn2y4/support_for_mediatek_wifi_drivers/, saying that MT7921 may get supported on 7.1. i am on 7.2 - and i dont see any wlan interfaces in ifconfig. is MT7921 supported?
21:23 < pardis> do you mean you don't see an mtw0 interface in ifconfig?
21:23 < pardis> do you see anything mentioning mediatek or MT7921 in dmesg?
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21:25 < pardis> also, note that the message talking about that driver doesn't say anything about MT7921 specifically
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21:25 < pardis> and the commit message for adding it only mentions MT7601U, and the driver's source also doesn't say anything about MT7921
21:25 < pardis> so it looks likely the answer is "no"
21:28 < adonis> If I have my interface set to inet6 autoconf are the unique-local addresses (ULAs) generated on it stable or liable to change while in operation? I need to have my ULAs for a host in a DNS zone file but am unsure how to proceed. Should I keep the interface as autoconf and scrape the ULA and somehow insert it into the zone? Should I instead go with a non random fixed static ula configured on the
21:28 < adonis> interface hostname.if file via inet6 alias?
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21:46 < a1fa> are we 7.3 yet>
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21:48 < a1fa> I was impressed how well Radeon 6850 XT worked in the snapshot
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21:51 < morena> did xterm open before you hit enter? ;/
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21:55 < Zyxer> I don't think we are 7.3 yet
21:55 < phy1729> 7.3 is tagged but not released
21:56 < Zyxer> I have a weird issue. I have a USB headset that I can either open for play or rec, I cannot do both on it. 
21:57 < Zyxer> running sndiod -f snd/1 -d -d and trying to record I get "warning, device opened in play-only mode"
21:57 < Zyxer> and aucat file.wav is silent, no playback audio
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21:58 < Zyxer> dmesg grepping my headset gives this:
21:58 < Zyxer> uaudio0 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
21:58 < Zyxer> uhidev0 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 3 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
21:58 < Zyxer> uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 4 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
21:58 < Zyxer> uhidev2 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 5 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
21:59 < Zyxer> Grepping audio from dmesg gives this: 
21:59 < Zyxer> azalia0 at pci3 dev 0 function 1 "ATI Radeon Vega HD Audio" rev 0x00: msi
21:59 < Zyxer> azalia1 at pci3 dev 0 function 6 "AMD 17h/1xh HD Audio" rev 0x00: apic 34 int 30
21:59 < Zyxer> audio0 at azalia1
22:00 < Zyxer> uaudio0 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
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22:00 < Zyxer> uaudio0: class v1, full-speed, sync, channels: 2 play, 1 rec, 4 ctls
22:00 < Zyxer> audio1 at uaudio0
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22:02 < gnucode> Zyxer: I've noticed that OpenBSD's audio works but is interesting.  When I plug in my headphones on my laptop, my headphones play sound but so does my laptop.  :)
22:02 < Zyxer> I have read documentation and really tested, I have opened the device with a monitor of it, and I can record monitor from it and have it play at same time. I have made subdevices, one rec and one play and opened them as play and rec, still sndiod gives same warning about being play only 
22:02 < Zyxer> gnucode: That's a feature I love
22:03 < Zyxer> Being able to play on multiple outputs is amazing
22:03 < Zyxer> But I can't play on my headphones and record at the same time
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22:04 < gnucode> hmmmm....
22:04 < gnucode> Are you listening to music while you record yourself live coding?
22:04 < Zyxer> I made subdevices for rec and play, same issue, only when I open headset as rec only does the microphone work. But then I can't play sounds to the headphones
22:04 < Zyxer> gnucode: What do you mean?
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22:08 < Zyxer> I suspect this is hardware software issues, the company made a new model with better battery time, and my friend had the previous. He said it works (on linux since I used it back then) with no issue. But they changed the firmware or something. The computer sees it as one device without their proprietry software now. So the media/voice channels are seen as one now. I suspect it is an issue with BSD
22:08 < Zyxer> drivers in combination with the headphones merging ll channels unless you use their software. It has a 16bit channel purely for communication. The 24bit channel is for media playback. On linux with their drivers the pc outputs to both channels as if the device says they should be combined
22:09 < gnucode> Zyxer: what is your use-case for listening via your headphones and recording at the same time?  Just curious
22:09 < Zyxer> gnucode: Sadly teams meeting
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22:10 < seninha> Just sent two ports to @ports: a X11 file manager (which depends on no toolkit, only plain Xenocara in base), and a revised version of a port to hedgewars I have sent before. Those are my first ports, so I'm asking for revision.
22:10 < Zyxer> I mean sure I can configure it to use laptop internal mic instead, assuming it works, but I am usually on desktop without any internal mic
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22:12 < pardis> Zyxer: given what you said about the different channel formats, could it be an issue with the order of opening the device? if you record, then play, maybe it will open both in 16-bit mode?
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22:12 < pardis> in other words, does the issue happen if you first record and then play, or only if you first play and then record?
22:13 < pardis> also, have you tried opening the hardware audio device directly to see if it is a problem with sndiod or the kernel driver?
22:13 < pardis> you normally shouldn't use the hardware devices directly but debugging this sounds like a valid reason to
22:14 < Zyxer> pardis: How do I open it directly? Also it doesn't matter what order I use it in. I have to specify in sndiod, like so: 
22:14 < Zyxer> sndiod -f snd/1 -m rec
22:14 < Zyxer> -d -d
22:15 < pardis> you would need to either become root or change permissions on /dev/audio1 and then set AUDIODEVICE=rsnd/1, per sndio(7)
22:16 < Zyxer> If I do not specify what mode I want to open it in when running sndiod it opens as default, duplex, -m play,rec, and then it complains whenever I try to record that it is open as play only unless i specify mode with -m flag to only be rec
22:18 < Zyxer> pardis: I will try running as root
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22:20 < gnucode> Zyxer: teams sort of runs on OpenBSD?  I'm impressed.
22:21 < Zyxer> gnucode: I couldn't see the teachers stream, it refused to allow any streaming of video/desktop sharing. Not ure why, maybe it was due to the teacher starting a recording and BSD refused to allow desktop recording even if it was someone elses desktop?
22:22 < Zyxer> But I could hear them and chat using the text messageing
22:24 < gnucode> Zyxer: isn't Teams an MS binary?  How were you getting it to run on OpenBSD anyway?
22:24 < Zyxer> gnucode: Web interface lmao
22:25 < Zyxer> They stoped linux support this year
22:26 < Zyxer> the linux package still works on linux but it will break since it stops getting updates
22:26 < gnucode> hmmm.  Coolio.
22:27 < pardis> it's Linux, so presumably it won't break as long as you run it in a chroot with the entire userland kept back to Ubuntu 20.04
22:27 < Zyxer> pardis: aucat gives me unsupported audio params
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22:28 < Zyxer> laptopfoo# export AUDIODEVICE=rsnd/1   
22:28 < Zyxer> laptopfoo# aucat -o file.wav           
22:28 < Zyxer> default: unsupported audio params
22:29 < Zyxer> I also rand sndiod -d -d as root by su:ing first then running the command. Also yes I manually first rcctl stp sndiod to make sure the debug doesn't collide or something
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22:29 < pardis> you might want to vary the params, in that case
22:29 < pardis> at first glance in aucat(1), the default setting for -e is s24, but you just said that the recording codec is 16-bit
22:29 < pardis> so that seems like a good starting point
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22:32 < Zyxer> aucat -e s16 and u16 still gives unsupported params
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22:40 < Zyxer> It seems that even if I specify 16 bits in aucat sndiod -d -d tells me it uses 24 bit
22:40 < jf> a1fa I *guess* that release date for 7.3 will be April 10th. the "Date" in the default root.mail ( https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/etc/root/root.mail ) generally gets updated with each release to "near" the release date
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22:44 < Zyxer> I can't get aucat to open rsnd/1, I'm not sure how to change the parameters
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22:45 < jf> Zyxer what happens if you configure sndiod to use s16le ( rcctl set sndiod flags -e s16le && rcctl restart sndiod )
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22:47 < Zyxer> jf: sndiod still seems to want to record in 24bit channel
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22:54 < jf> hmm, and this gives an error on the params? aucat -d -d -e u16 -o /tmp/1.wav
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22:54 < jf> (aucat tells me it is recording at 16bit when i do this - output is rec, chan 0:1, 48000Hz, s16le )
22:55 < jf> (aucat doing the conversion)
22:56 < Zyxer> jf: Yea but it is because I set AUDIODEVICE=rsnd/1 as instructed above
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22:58 < Zyxer> jf: You're right aucat opens for 16bit but sndiod reports 24bits
22:58 < Zyxer> laptopfoo# aucat -d -d -f snd/0 -e u16le -o file.wav 
22:58 < Zyxer> file.wav,pst=cfg: rec, chan 0:1, 48000Hz, s16le
22:58 < Zyxer> snd/0: 48000Hz, rec 0:1, 36 blocks of 480 frames
22:58 < Zyxer> file.wav,pst=cfg: allocated 17280 frame buffer
22:58 < Zyxer> cmap: nch = 2, ostart = 0, onext = 0, istart = 0, inext = 0
22:58 < Zyxer> enc: s16le, 2 channels
22:58 < Zyxer> file.wav,pst=ini: chain initialized
22:58 < Zyxer> file.wav,pst=run: started
22:58 < jf> i am not familiar with using an environment variable for the audio device - not seen that before.
22:58 < Zyxer> started
22:59 < Zyxer> laptopfoo# sndiod -f rsnd/1 -d -d
22:59 < Zyxer> snd0.default: rec=0:1 play=0:1 vol=8388608 dup
22:59 < Zyxer> snd0.0: rec=0:1 play=0:1 vol=8388608 dup
22:59 < Zyxer> default/server.device=0:1 at 1 -> opt_dev:default/0: added
22:59 < Zyxer> app/aucat0.level=127 at 2 -> slot_level:aucat0: added
22:59 < Zyxer> warning, device opened in play-only mode
22:59 < Zyxer> 0/output0.level=255 at 3 -> hw:0/0: added
22:59 < Zyxer> 0/output0.mute=0 at 4 -> hw:0/32: added
22:59 < Zyxer> 0/input0.level=255 at 5 -> hw:0/64: added
22:59 < Zyxer> 0/input0.mute=0 at 6 -> hw:0/96: added
22:59 < Zyxer> snd0: 48000Hz, s24le3, play 0:1, 16 blocks of 480 frames
22:59 < Zyxer> snd0: device started
22:59 < Zyxer> aucat0: attached at -7680 + 0/480
22:59 < Zyxer> aucat0: 48000Hz, s24le4lsb, rec 0:1, 20 blocks of 480 frames
23:01 < jf> ok, so for snd/1 .. is sndiod configured to use it (the config is really strange. I have "sndiod_flags=-f rsnd/0 -F rsnd/1" in my /etc/rc.conf.local which - I think - says use rsnd1 if available and fall back to rsnd/0 if not available
23:01 < jf> (rsnd/0 is my system audio and rsnd/1 appears as my headphones)
23:02 < Zyxer> jf: Yes I have that on my desktop, I am at work and brought laptop (nightshift have almost nothing to do) and thought I could debug headphones on laptop
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23:03  * jf ok, i just did you (i think) you have:
23:03 < thrig> who needs printf debugging when you can beep in morse code
23:03 < jf> sndiod -f rsnd/1 -d -d
23:03 < jf> and when i start aucat, I get aucat0: 48000Hz, s24le4lsb, rec 0:1, 20 blocks of 480 frames
23:03  * jf sndiod shows s24
23:04 < jf> but, my aucat ( aucat -d -d -e u16 -o /tmp/1.wav ) shows the output as "enc: s16le, 2 channels"
23:04 < Zyxer> IMy headphones have no rec on 24bit. 
23:04 < Zyxer> jf: yea mine does the same... Hmm... 
23:05 < Zyxer> Is it possible to split the device into 2? One that only uses 24bit channel and the other to use 16bit? The previous revision of those headphones had that, it was made to appear as 2 different audio devices where the 16 bit also had a mic
23:07 < jf> hmm, i do not know. am reaching what i know of audio on obsd ...
23:08 < jf> if you save some audio ( -e s16 -o /tmp/1.wav), can you play it back ( -e s16 -i /tmp/1.wav ) - assuming kern.audio.record=1
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23:09 < jf> for multiple devices, do you have multiple in dmesg?
23:09 < Zyxer> I may have to get rid of the convinience and move back to external sound card + wired headset. If that is the case I could send the obenBSD team my headset and if they use it maybe they will notice the issue and try to solve it. 
23:09 < Zyxer> jf: I can play it back but it is empty, silent
23:10 < jf> sysctl kern.audio.record=1 is done, right?
23:10 < Zyxer> jf: No dmesg reports the headphones as one device I think? The new model does that, the company did a switcheroo on the software/firmware
23:10 < Zyxer> jf: Yes kern.audio.record=1
23:11 < Zyxer> I can record from internal mic
23:11 < jf> maybe send them info on the headphones, and the usbdevs line ( i'm using a "addr 02: 1395:00cb Sennheiser, Sennheiser SC 1x5 USB")
23:12 < Zyxer> Wait hold on a minute, dmesg finds 4 different arctis things
23:12 < Zyxer> I am unsure if the print is normal for OpenBSD
23:12 < Zyxer> laptopfoo# dmesg|grep -i arctis
23:12 < Zyxer> uaudio0 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
23:12 < Zyxer> uhidev0 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 3 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
23:12 < Zyxer> uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 4 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
23:12 < Zyxer> uhidev2 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 5 "SteelSeries Arctis 7+" rev 2.00/1.08 addr 3
23:12 < Zyxer> jf: How is your dmsesg when you grep your headset name?
23:13 < jf> i get two sets of line, one for each function. like you.
23:13 < jf> uaudio0 at uhub0 port 2 configuration 1 interface 1 "Sennheiser Sennheiser SC 1x5 USB" rev 2.00/0.18 addr 2
23:13 < jf> uaudio0: class v1, full-speed, sync, channels: 2 play, 2 rec, 7 ctls
23:13 < jf> audio1 at uaudio0
23:13 < jf> uhidev0 at uhub0 port 2 configuration 1 interface 3 "Sennheiser Sennheiser SC 1x5 USB" rev 2.00/0.18 addr 2
23:14 < jf> it's the uaudio0 "device" that is mapped into "audio1"
23:14 < jf> the uhidevN are the controls on the device ;)
23:14 < Zyxer> oh, ok
23:14 < jf> (nice cans, btw)
23:15 < Zyxer> Cans?
23:16 < jf> cans is slang for over ear headphones (well, it is slang for me, it might not translate)
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23:16 < pardis> please use a paste site (see topic) instead of filling the channel with pastes
23:17 < jf> pardis ok
23:21 < Zyxer> Sorry. Uh... How can I print the topic? I am new to weechat/irc
23:22 < riceandbeans> Are crontabs run in parallel or serially?
23:22 < greeb> Zyxer, try F10 to scroll the topic if you're on weechat
23:22 < greeb> F9 to scroll it back to the beginning
23:23 < thrig> presumably crond starts a job (fork/exec) then starts another, etc
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23:23 < jf> type "/topic"
23:24 < Zyxer> greeb: the F things didn't work, maybe because I am ssh into tmux where I run irc. 
23:24 < Zyxer> jf: Thanks, that worked
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23:26 < riceandbeans> thrig: So you don't know for certain either :)
23:26 < riceandbeans> I was asked and I was like...you know....I'm not 100% sure
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23:30 < jf> do_command in src/usr.sbin/cron/do_command.c forks off each entry. so it looks like cron will start jobs scheduled at the same time in some sequence, but very close together in time. not cleanly parallel but .. close enough to at the same time
23:30 < pardis> riceandbeans: sounds easy to test and/or check the source if you want to know
23:30 < riceandbeans> I mean, that's good enough for me
23:30 < pardis> but it would be pretty stupid for one job to block all others
23:30 < pardis> given that any user can edit their own crontab, that would mean any user can DoS the entire crond
23:31 < riceandbeans> pardis: Yeah I was thinking of setting like 3 jobs at 32 after and making the first job be like, sleep 60, the second job be like sleep 120, and the third job be like, date > /tmp/date.txt
23:31 < jf> the parent process of a fork returns immediately (returns the pid of the new process)
23:31 < riceandbeans> See what date gets written out
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23:33 < thrig> date > would not be handy from multiple scripts
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23:37 < riceandbeans> Only from the third one down
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23:38 < a1fa> jf: nice
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23:40 < riceandbeans> zach:/tmp# cat date.txt
23:40 < riceandbeans> Tue Apr  4 23:40:00 UTC 2023
23:40 < riceandbeans> So, within 1s
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