--- Log opened Wed Apr 05 00:00:34 2023
00:16 < a1fa> 23:40:25 < riceandbeans> Tue Apr  4 23:40:00 UTC 2023
00:16 < a1fa> your clock is 25s late
00:17 < a1fa> $(date %+s)
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00:50 < coreystephanphd> Is the FAQ available for offline reading?
00:51 < morena> ye
00:51 < coreystephanphd> morena: Where may I find it? Thanks.
00:51 < morena> on web
00:52 < morena> ;/ I meant you have to download it
00:52 < namtsui> www repository https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html
00:53 < coreystephanphd> I was missing www -- thanks morena namtsui 
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00:54 < morena> or github mirror too
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00:55 < coreystephanphd> morena +1
00:57 < coreystephanphd> The GitHub mirror download of www is extremely useful. Can do quick shell alias to read FAQ in terminal.
00:58 < morena> but if you are adventurous you can use first and last time cvs ;/
00:58 < coreystephanphd> morena: Hmmm... learn a whole new system for 1 download ... tempting, tempting, but I will pass ;)
00:59 < coreystephanphd> (but if cvs is what is used for contributing to FAQ, making grammitcal fixes, etc., sure, I will do that to help the project)
01:00 < morena> but you use got obviously ye ;/
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01:07 < coreystephanphd> Maybe FAQ should be optional documentation during installation, even? I mean, it really is *that* important. I will think about this a bit, maybe write to misc@ with a proper proposal for discussion or what have you.
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01:10 < coreystephanphd> Outside-the-box ideas never hurt, unless this has been discussed many times before and I am the buffoon...
01:11 < morena> ye I think it was discussed here and there, but maybe probably just on irc ;/
01:12 < morena> but ye, faq are helpful many times at the beginning more than even manual
01:12 < morena> to setup some basic things faster
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03:59 < epony> the simple answer, it's not available on the install media and is not part of the system sets after installation either
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13:36 < gnucode> hey openBSD friends!
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13:43 < bsandro> ehlo
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13:49 < jfsimon1981_b> Hi
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14:07 < gnucode> bsandro and jfsimon1981_b   what cool things are you two up to today?  
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14:09 < gnucode> I am a little sad that the AR9300 that my laptop has is currently not supported by OpenBSD.  My usb wifi dongle works though.  
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14:31 < jcs> if you look at it sadly for long enough, the driver writes itself
14:32 < oldlaptop> fake news?
14:32 < thrig> some lack patience for the O(whatever) of the miracle sort algorithm
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14:37 < gnucode> jcs haha!  I like that idea!  
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14:42 < jfsimon1981_b> Design a PCB gnucode
14:42 < jfsimon1981_b> are business this morning, i work on a PIC32 this afternoon on kicad
14:43 < jfsimon1981_b> A lot of backlog things to do once the business is again working, bits of hard times those coule of weeks though ;)
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16:49 < gnucode> hello friends!
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17:37 < gnucode> I can't seem to get wifi to work.
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17:38 < gnucode> ifconfig athn0 scan shows me the wifi networks that I want to join
17:39 < gnucode> doas ifconfig join Home_Alone wpakey MyAwesomePassword
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17:43 < quinq> Nothing related to this in the dmesg?
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17:43 < gnucode> quing  actually tes. :( 
17:44 < gnucode> "athn0: firmware command 0x10 timed out."
17:44 < gnucode> that doesn't bode well
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17:44 < quinq> Are your firmwares up to date? (fw_update)
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17:45 < gnucode> I just installed the firmware with "fw_update athn".  I can always run that command again.
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17:46 < quinq> Well, I suppose that's fine in this regard then
17:46 < sibiria> you need to reboot after adding firmware. it's only loaded at init
17:46 < quinq> ah
17:46 < gnucode> sibiria: this will be the 3rd time I've rebooted.  But happy to do so again.  :)
17:47 < sibiria> then no need
17:47 < sibiria> :)
17:47 < gnucode> also ifconfig athn0 scan does work.
17:47 < sibiria> just an fyi!
17:47 < quinq> Is your chipset listed in the athn man-page?
17:47 < sibiria> if you can scan and see APs then you definitely have working wifi
17:47 < quinq> sibiria, good to know anyway indeed
17:47 < sibiria> so it's just a config quirk
17:47 < gnucode> quinq: yup.  I have one of the chipset that the athn man page says has open source firmware.
17:48 < quinq> ok, then that's over whan I can think about ^^
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17:48 < gnucode> my latest ifconfig invocation was 
17:48 < gnucode> doas ifconfig athn0 inet join Home_Alone wpakey MyAwesomePassword 
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17:49 < sibiria> "inet autoconf"
17:49 < gnucode> ahhh let me give that a try
17:49 < sibiria> else you will need to be specific about the ipv4 address
17:50 < quinq> That would come later though
17:50 < sibiria> "inet a.b.c.d/pfx" or "inet autoconf", in other words
17:51 < gnucode> sibiria: "doas ifconfig athn0 inet autoconf join Home_Alone wpakey MyAwesomePassword"
17:51 < gnucode> ping -c 3 gnu.org still doesn't quite work.
17:51 < sibiria> what does ifconfig say for that interface? (use dpaste.org or something similar)
17:52 < sibiria> can you ping the AP/gateway?
17:52 < jf> put it in /etc/hostname.athn0 and sh /etc/netstart athn0 ( see https://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2023-dynamic_host_configuration_please-slides.pdf )
17:53 < gnucode> sibiria: let me set up my laptop to work with the ethernet port then I will set up a pastebin.
17:53 < sibiria> also: 5ghz support, and 11n support, is pretty spotty and so-so still
17:54 < sibiria> no wpa3 support yet either
17:54 < quinq> Maybe looking for what 0x10 is could help
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17:55 < quinq> I didn't know there was a wpa3… sibiria stop that!
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17:55 < sibiria> wpa3 is the bee's knees
17:55 < sibiria> the latest trend and such
17:56 < quinq> Does it solve ultimate all problems from its predecesors?
17:56 < sibiria> solves the most urgent problems - and of course introduces a few new ones!
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17:56 < quinq> jeje
17:56 < sibiria> overall definitely a preference over wpa2
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17:57 < lavaball> gnucode, i don't know things but this is how i do it: ifconfig athn0 nwid "Home_Alone" wpakey "Kevin!"  and then   dhclient athn0
17:58 < lavaball> don't konw if there is a difference between join and nwid.
17:58 < quinq> damn, we've already reached the 802.11z
17:58 < gnucode-> lavaball: thanks. 
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17:59 < lavaball> oh, join is for automatically joining when found during scan.
18:00 < gnucode-> sibiria:   https://paste.debian.net/1276423/
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18:02 < gnucode-> lavaball: you might find this guide interesting:  
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18:02 < gnucode-> https://sha256.net/dynamic_host_configuration_please.html  
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18:03 < sibiria> so the ifconfig says that it hasn't managed to associate with the AP
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18:04 < sibiria> is it 5ghz network? 11n or newer? wpa3?
18:04 < gnucode-> sibiria I don't actually know.  I guess it's possible that it is a newer wifi standard only.  
18:04 < sibiria> the two former work on some drivers. i don't really know what the status of those are on athn driver. wpa3 is entirely unsupported still
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18:05 < pardis> 11b in the autodetected mode is a bit odd too
18:05 < sibiria> gnucode-: if the channel is 36+, it's 5 ghz
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18:05 < sibiria> you may have the channel info from another device that can connect
18:06 < lavaball> gnucode-, haha, now your'e helping me out. well, works for me. thanks a bunch.
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18:06 < gnucode-> sibiria: the only other device that works for me is my ethernet port.  :)  
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18:07 < sibiria> but you see the AP in question when scanning?
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18:09 < gnucode-> sibiria I don't know what you mean?  would you like my full "ifconfig"  output
18:09 < gnucode-> or would you like my "ifconfig athn0" output?
18:09 < sibiria> when you do "ifconfig athn0 scan", can you see the wifi hotspot you want to connect to?
18:10 < sibiria> it will output all the APs (access points) the wifi card it can see
18:10 < sibiria> -it
18:11 < sibiria> AP == wifi hotspot. same same, just tech/consumer lingo
18:12 < thrig> why would one use AP versus HE rounds?
18:13 < sibiria> i try to stay away from explosive and shrapnel-inducing wifi hotspots
18:13 < thrig> prudent
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18:14 < oldlaptop> they're a little better at getting through the enclosures on the really well-built network appliances
18:14 < thrig> "Each of the USB sticks was meant to explode when activated ..."
18:14 < gnucode-> sibiria: yes.  I see this:   nwid Home_Alone chan 1 bssid 00:1a:dd:0d:0a:21 -81dBm HT-MCS23 privacy,short_slottime,wpa2 !wpaproto  
18:15 < sibiria> "better effect through concrete walls in your home"
18:15 < gnucode-> and there are other APs 
18:15 < sibiria> gnucode-: ok good start, then the two devices seem entirely compatible
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18:16 < sibiria> for reasons i never figured out, sometimes ifconfig/openbsd is bit cranky when trying to associate by just invoking ifconfig on the command line. i'd try tossing the interface details into a hostname file (etc/hostname.athn0) and trying more from there
18:16 < gnucode-> AR9271 is my chipset says dmesg 
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18:18 < sibiria> man hostname.if  <- a few basic examples there, on how to phrase a hostname file for wifi
18:18 < sibiria> man athn <- should also have some
18:19 < gnucode-> sibiria:  here is my /etc/hostname.athn0    https://paste.debian.net/1276425/   
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18:19 < sibiria> looks alright
18:20 < gnucode-> the file name is supposed to be "hostname.athn0"  right?  not "hostname.if"  ?
18:21 < sibiria> correct, .athn0
18:21 < sibiria> to reinit:  sh /etc/netstart athn0
18:22 < gnucode-> let me try that.  
18:22 < sibiria> i must abscond. good luck
18:23 < gnucode> thanks
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18:33 < quinq> Wht does the "!wpaproto" mean?
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18:44 < jf> for the "!wpaproto" look at the man page for ifconfig. Under the "scan" section, first paragraph, last sentence: "If an access point cannot be selected due to incompatibilities with the interface configuration, ifconfig indicates mismatching configuration items with an exclamation mark".
18:45 < jf> i guess you need join "Home_Alone" wpakey "password2" in your hostname.athn0
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18:45  * jf your paste has "join Home_Alone password2" which is not going to work
18:46 < quinq> oh, I had a quick look but I missed it, thanks jf 
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19:03 < gnucode> jf I will give that a try
19:03 < gnucode> thanks
19:08 < gnucode> jf: thanks but that didn't seem to work
19:08 < gnucode> doas sh /etc/netstart 
19:08 < gnucode> ping -c 3 gnu.org still fails
19:09 < jf> and when you ifconfig athn0 scan, do you still see the !wpaproto on the end?
19:09 < gnucode> thought the athn manual does say that if you are using powersave, that you might experience dropped network packets
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19:09 < gnucode> I do still see !wpaproto at the end of the Home_Alone network
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19:10 < gnucode> I am using a powersave funtionality
19:10  * jf ok, so because you had "join Home_Alone password2" the driver thinks the connection is wep
19:10 < jf> ok, so because you had "join Home_Alone password2" the driver thinks the connection is wep
19:11 < jf> on the command line, tell the driver to forget the wep config: doas ifconfig athn0 -join Home_Alone
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19:11 < jf> then tell it the correct config: doas ifconfig athn0 join "Home_Alone" wpakey "password2"
19:12 < jf> then do the scan again - the !wpaproto should no longer appear
19:12 < gnucode> jf you are correct.
19:12 < gnucode> the scan no longer has !wpaproto
19:13 < jf> now a basic "ifconfig athn0" should show you connected to "Home_Alone" - at the wifi level - no idea about the ip level yet
19:15 < gnucode> I did this command
19:16 < gnucode> doas ifconfig athn0 authconf join "Home_Alone" wpakey "MyAwesomePassword"
19:16 < jf> output has a "ieee80211: nwid Home_Alone ......" line?
19:17 < jf> doas ifconfig athn0
19:17 < gnucode> the result was this
19:17 < gnucode> status: no network
19:17 < gnucode> ping -c 3 gnu.org failed too.
19:18 < gnucode> and firefox could not find phoronix.com  
19:18 < jf> ok, so not yet connected to "Home_Alone". you sure about that password?
19:19 < jf> nothing will work without ip connectivity. and ip connectivity will not work without wifi radio connectivity. wifi connectivity first, then ip
19:19 < gnucode> I think so.  Wouldn't ifconfig complain if it was the wrong password?
19:19 < jf> hmm, i don't think so. it would just fail to join that network and keep looking for another. your pastebin had multiple to look for.
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19:23 < jf> this is a regular wpa2 network right, not something funky with 802.1x and usernames / passwords per user?
19:24 < jf> _supplicant
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19:26 < gnucode> jf: I think it's a regular wpa2 network.  I'm at a friends house.  He's not super computer savy, but I'll ask
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19:27 < jf> almost certainly a regular network (and the scan output didn't show 802.1x)
19:28 < typicat> gnucode, don't think authconf belongs in your join statement
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19:31 < gnucode> typicat: ok
19:31 < jf> typicat oh, i'd missed that - had assumed gnucode entered what i'd suggested: doas ifconfig athn0 join "Home_Alone" wpakey "password2"
19:31 < typicat> just leave that out
19:32 < gnucode> doas ifconfig athn0 join "Home_Alone" wpakey "MyAwesomePassword"
19:32 < gnucode> ping still fails and so does firefox
19:33 < jf> yup, still at the wifi radio level connectivity. there will be no ip connectivity on that interface until the wifi radio is connected
19:33 < jf> doas ifconfig athn0
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19:33  * jf what does the "ieee80211" line show
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19:34 < gnucode> ieee80211: join Home_Alone wpakey wpaprotps wpa2 wpaakms psk wpaciphers ccmp wpagroupcipher ccmp
19:35 < jf> ok. that's good. and the status is active? and the media has some 802.11 stuff in it?
19:35 < gnucode> status: no network
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19:36 < jf> media?
19:36 < gnucode> media: IEEE802.11 autoselect (DS1 mode 11b)
19:36 < jf> good.
19:36 < jf> so i think that means wifi radio connectivity
19:36 < gnucode> ok. 
19:37 < jf> https://paste.debian.net/1276425/ still close?
19:37  * jf if yes, comment out the join lines in there and put one join line at the top: join "Home_Alone" wpakey "password2"
19:38 < jf> so the join line, then the inet autoconf line, then the up line
19:38 < jf> if you have that in /etc/hostname.athn0 then doas sh /etc/netstart athn0
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19:38 < gnucode> There is now only one join line now.  join "Home_Alone" wpakey "MyAwesomePassword"
19:39 < gnucode> Then these lines
19:39 < gnucode> join ""
19:39 < gnucode> inet autoconf
19:39 < gnucode> up
19:39 < jf> ok
19:39 < jf> doas sh /etc/netstart athn0
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19:39 < gnucode> doas sh /etc/netstart athn0 
19:39 < gnucode> ping -c 3 gnu.org fails
19:39 < jf> then, when you ifconfig athn0 .. there (hopefully) should be an inet line with an ip address
19:40 < gnucode> no inet line.  :(  
19:41 < jf> ok, what is odd about this machine? do you have some pf config to block ip traffic?
19:41 < gnucode> It is a librebooted T400.
19:41 < jf> your "media: IEEE802.11 autoselect (DS1 mode 11b)" line and "ieee80211: join Home_Alone wpakey wpaprotps wpa2 wpaakms psk wpaciphers ccmp wpagroupcipher ccmp" lines suggest you do have wifi radio connectivity
19:42 < jf> doas dhcpleasectl athn0
19:42 < jf> what is the output of that?
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19:43 < jf> (i am assuming you do not have both dhclient and dhcpleased running at the same time)
19:43 < gnucode> ..................
19:43 < gnucode> athn0 [Down]
19:44 < gnucode> jf no idea.  I think I am going to restart.  Just to make sure.
19:44 < jf> sounds like a decent plan. the "old" way is dhclient .. and 7.2 onwards use dhcpleased
19:45 < jf> see you after the reboot
19:45 < gnucode> jf thanks for the help
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19:48 < gnucode> I have rebooted.
19:48 < gnucode> status: no network
19:50 < jf> ug. /etc/hostname.athn0 should look like https://paste.debian.net/1276437/
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19:50 < jf> do you have pf on this box? blocking traffic? if you have a pf.conf does it use an interface name or the egress group?
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19:52 < gnucode> jf my hostname.athn0 looks just like that.
19:52 < gnucode> I do have an /etc/pf.conf
19:53 < gnucode> set skip on lo
19:53 < gnucode> block return
19:53 < jf> hostname.athn0: good. i think you have wifi radio connectivity (from the media and ieee80211 lines in the ifconfig athn0 output)
19:53 < gnucode> pass
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19:53 < jf> ok, let's turn off pf to test: doas pfctl -f
19:54 < jf> and then ask dhcpleasectl: doas dhcpleasectl athn0
19:54 < gnucode> block return in on ! lo0 proto tcp to port 6000:6010
19:54 < jf> oops
19:54 < jf> doas pfctl -d
19:54 < jf> sorry for typo
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19:54 < gnucode> pf is disabled
19:55 < jf> ok, and the doas dhcpleasectl athn0
19:55 < gnucode> doas dhcpleasectl athn0
19:55 < gnucode> .........
19:55 < gnucode> athn0 [Down]
19:55 < jf> ugh. nothing is answering the dhcp request
19:55 < gnucode> jf I really do appreciate the help, but honestly this is not a deal breaker for me.
19:55 < jf> (pf back on is: doas pfctl -e )
19:55 < gnucode> I normally use ethernet anyway
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19:56 < jf> you have two terminals open? in one: doas tcpdump -envi athn0
19:56  * jf and in other: doas dhcpleasectl iwm0
19:56 < jf> i would expect to see an outbound dhcp request
19:56 < jf> and .. ideally .. something responding
19:57 < jf> if not .. i'm stuck with what to suggest. it does seem like there is nothing on that network responding to dhcp :(
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20:00 < gnucode> jf: I do not have a iwm0 interface.  :(
20:00  * jf oos
20:00 < jf> doas dhcpleasectl athn0
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20:00 < jf> sorry, i typed my interface name.
20:01 < jf> (iwm is a different device type. you have an athn)
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20:02 < jf> i was checking the commands on my host here and .. copy-pasted straight into here ..
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20:04 < pardis> trying obvious modifications of someone else's suggestions is a worthwhile skill to avoid such back-and-forth
20:04 < jf> so, a little earlier, typicat pointed out that you had "authconf" in your ifconfig. i just want to check you have "autoconf" in your /etc/hostname.athn0 and not "authconf" in there. 
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20:08 < morena> running in cycles ;/
20:08 < jf> ya.
20:08 < gnucode> sorry. I just turned off the openbsd file.  :(  
20:08 < gnucode> computer
20:08 < gnucode> and I am heading out to see some friends.   Thanks for the advice pardis
20:09 < gnucode> and for the help jf
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21:39 < Bradipo> minimodem (in ports) is quite interesting.
21:39 < Bradipo> It supports sending/receiving RTTY via sound waves.
21:39 < Bradipo> Yet when I try to do so using a USB microphone, it doesn't seem to pick up the sound.
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21:40 < Bradipo> Perhaps minimodem isn't opening up sndio correctly?  I notice that if I run minimodem on the same computer for both TX and RX it does actually work.
21:40 < morena> ye, good old time when we will communicate with void/sound will be back ;/
21:40 < morena> voic
21:40 < morena> shit e
21:40 < Bradipo> I'm preparing. :-)
21:41 < Bradipo> Actually, it just looked like a cool thing to try to do.
21:41 < Bradipo> When I start minimodem, sndioctl reports app/pulseau0 in the output.
21:41 < Bradipo> Is there any way to make minimodem open the USB speakerphone so it can receive the tones from the "sound waves"?
21:42 < Bradipo> Or any way to make sndiocl/sndiod cause minimodem to do the right thing?
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21:43 < Bradipo> I've been looking at sndiod man pages and elsewhere, but I must admit that sndio seems a bit of deep magic.
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21:44 < jcs> i'm assuming minimodem doesn't have sndio support and is using pulseaudio which then talks to sndio
21:44 < Bradipo> Right, as I said, sndioctl shows "app/pulseau0"
21:44 < Bradipo> And minimodem's manual says nothing about sndio.
21:44 < jcs> right, so implement sndio support in it
21:44 < Bradipo> I suppose sndio would be less deep magic if I figured out how to make minimodem talk to sndio?
21:45 < Bradipo> minimodem does have -A to use ALSA, but it says that's not compiled in the build.
21:45 < Bradipo> Not sure if that would be any better though.
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21:47 < Bradipo> Could I perhaps just set some of the sndio ENVIRONMENT variables to make it doe something?
21:48 < Bradipo> Or do they not pass through when using pulseaudio which talks to sndio?
21:48 < Bradipo> e.g. perhaps if I set AUDIORECDEVICE?
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21:49 < Bradipo> For example: AUDIORECDEVICE=snd/1 minimodem rtty
21:49 < thrig> AUDIOVUVUZELA
21:50 < Bradipo> Though, I imagine that the pulseaudio to sndio shim that is already in place might already be able to do that if it were possible.
21:50 < Bradipo> AUDIOVOODOO indeed.
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21:59 < gnucode> hello friends!  
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22:41 < Zyxer> Ok so I may have gotten progress on why my USB audio device can either be used to play or record, not both. Apparently it cannot be opened at 48000Hz, either that eats all data or OpenBSD cannot work on that rate with both recieving and sending data. 
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22:41 < Zyxer> Anyhow, even when I specify to sndiod to use -r 16000 it ignores it anyway and goes to 48000. 
22:42 < Zyxer> I am not sure if I am doing something wrong but sndiod seems to completely ignore -r and -e flag for my audio device
22:43 < Zyxer> So I cannot change the -r (rate) and test if the issue is that sndiod opens it in 48000 rate mode. 
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22:45 < Zyxer> Am I gonna have to compile it from source and hardcoding 16000 as the only rate? According to archived email list thing someone else had similar issue (OpenBSD some version 6, maybe same issue jsut somewhat different error string) and he had to recompile it and hardcode 16000. 
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22:51 < jf> Zyxer having to mess with the code is .. disappointing. maybe start with building a kernel with UAUDIO_DEBUG set to get more debugging output?
22:52 < jf> ( uaudio_query_devinfo and/or uaudio_get_props may be good places to look for what the device says it can / can't do )
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22:57 < jf> well, not uaudio_get_props .. that's just a stub ..
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23:07 < Zyxer> How do I access uaudio_query_devinfo? I am not sure if it is a file or argument or command or so....
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23:08 < jf> is under the dev/usb tree in the kernel source: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/dev/usb/uaudio.c
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23:11 < jf> (working in there is like jumping into the deep end of the pool)
23:12 < Zyxer> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=158497815520103&w=2
23:13 < Zyxer> There, the debugg gave other output error but seems he had the same issue as me on another USB headset
23:14 < jf> looks like you'll be looking around lines 4022 - 4052 in there :D
23:16 < jf> (ie that section for AUMODE_RECORD with the combination of rate / bits / channels)
23:17 < Zyxer> Is there a way I can check my headphones properties? usbdevs report too little information. 
23:18 < Zyxer> Perhaps there isn't anything wrong with the code, it could simply be that the headphones want 41000 rate or 32000 or some other number other than 16000 and default
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23:25 < Zyxer> Seems like I am gonna need to get to a penguin in order to find device properties
23:29 < oldlaptop> $ pkg_locate lsusb
23:29 < oldlaptop> ...
23:29 < oldlaptop> usbutils-007p0:sysutils/usbutils:/usr/local/bin/lsusb
23:29 < oldlaptop> (Might be interesting.)
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23:32 < thrig> ell sus bee?
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23:48 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/uX5Tv
23:49 < Zyxer> Penguin usb device properties, it uses 48000 for both communication and media, but it is 16bit bus for communication. 
23:49 < Zyxer> 16bit for communication device*
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23:59 < jf> i see that. it does say bBitResolution 16 (on the bNrChannels 1 descriptor, and fixed at 48000Hz)
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