--- Log opened Fri Apr 07 00:00:37 2023 00:02 -!- geekthattweaks [uid433447@user/geekthattweaks] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:04 -!- HIA [~uni@169.150.196.217] has joined #openbsd 00:05 -!- termin [~uni@104.129.56.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:07 < pony> when the artwork changes on the homepage 00:07 < pony> that's when it's official 00:08 < a1fa> no body got time for that 00:10 < thrig> at least one does 00:14 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@218.89.253.2] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 00:17 -!- thumbs [1000@apache/committer/thumbs] has joined #openbsd 00:17 -!- dev1ls [~dev1ls@user/Dev1ls] has joined #openbsd 00:18 -!- bsdguydr [~bsdguydr@user/bsdguydr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21 -!- housemate [~housemate@n175-36-37-203.meb3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21 -!- Leone [~Leo@45.72.209.51] has joined #openbsd 00:23 -!- HIA [~uni@169.150.196.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24 -!- chanceyan [~chanceyan@user/chanceyan] has joined #openbsd 00:26 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has joined #openbsd 00:28 -!- housemate [~housemate@n175-36-37-203.meb3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openbsd 00:31 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:36 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p548553d3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42 -!- ArtGravity [~artgravit@user/artgravity] has quit [] 00:42 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:44 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45 -!- dev1ls [~dev1ls@user/Dev1ls] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45 -!- rsjw [~rsjw@pool-138-88-60-108.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openbsd 00:49 < rsjw> I have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-no_zap.conf with contents https://termbin.com/4sti but the DontZap option isn't taking effect. I know Xorg is reading it because it gives me an error if I change its contents to something it doesn't like. any idea why it's not working? 00:49 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has joined #openbsd 00:51 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 00:51 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has joined #openbsd 00:53 -!- desnudopenguino1 [~Thunderbi@c-67-183-224-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 00:53 < gnucode> I feel really stupid right now... 00:53 < gnucode> I can't seem to create a simple script for polybar. 00:53 < gnucode> the script works, but polybar cannot locate the script to execute. 00:54 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:55 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@2601:602:d100:16fb:3e46:1f22:857d:49df] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:55 -!- desnudopenguino1 is now known as desnudopenguino 00:55 < gnucode> I have the script in ~/.config/polybar/battery 00:56 < gnucode> polybar is saying that /bin/sh: battery: not found. I then changed ~/.profile to include ~/prog/sh in my path, but apparently I can't do that. This just feels like really basic stuff that I can't do. :( 00:57 < phy1729> You need $HOME/.config/polybar in your path if that's where the script is (or specify the full path to the script) 00:58 < gnucode> I will that a try, but I think I essentially already did that. 00:59 < gnucode> I guess I have to logout of X and log back in. 00:59 < gnucode> to test it. 01:00 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 01:01 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 01:01 < gnucode> yup. that didn't seem to work. 01:02 < gnucode> https://paste.debian.net/1276611/ 01:02 < gnucode> that is my ~/.profile 01:02 < gnucode> echo $PATH -> /bin /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin 01:04 < gnucode> I exited i3. I guess I can try rebooting. 01:04 < pardis> and how are you starting polybar? 01:06 < gnucode> pardis from i3 01:06 < gnucode> exec_always --no-startup-id $HOME/.config/polybar/launch.sh 01:06 < pardis> and how are you starting i3? from a login shell? 01:07 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has joined #openbsd 01:07 < gnucode> do you want to see what launch.sh looks like? 01:07 < gnucode> pardis I am starting i3 from .xsession. the last line is exec i3 01:07 < pardis> no, I want to know if you have a login shell anywhere in the process tree as an ancestor of polybar 01:07 < pardis> it sounds like a no 01:07 < pardis> in which case .profile is completely irrelevant 01:07 < gnucode> I do have a ~/.kshrc that is currently empty... 01:08 < gnucode> that could be a problem. 01:08 -!- fifi_ [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has joined #openbsd 01:08 < pardis> instead of guessing, why not set the variable where you need it? 01:08 < pardis> that would be .xsession if you want to use it from things started in .xsession 01:08 < gnucode> especially because my .xsession has this line : export ENV=$HOME/.kshrc 01:08 < pardis> although while testing, I would open an xterm and start polybar from there, so that you can set different environment variables to test with 01:09 < pardis> if you want to understand what ENV does, you want to read ksh(1), but it is also not significant here 01:10 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:11 < rsjw> you might want to think of xdm/xenodm as a graphical log-in shell, where .xsession has the role that .profile has for sh-derived shells 01:12 < gnucode> rsjw: so if I am usually using OpenBSD graphically, then I should probably put everything in ~/.xsession and delete ~/.profile ? 01:12 < rsjw> .profile is run when sh-derived shells log in 01:13 < rsjw> it's not that you want to delete .profile, it's that you probably want x11 config in .xsession instead 01:14 < gnucode> kk. 01:14 < rsjw> if you run an xterm as a log-in shell and you have an sh-derived shell as your log-in shell, .profile will run then 01:14 < pardis> or if you ever ssh in, or if you break your X config and have to log in on the text console, or... 01:15 < thrig> whataboutism 01:15 < xse> rsjw: no clue for xorg.conf/dontzap itself but you might be able to remove the terminate bind itself ( setxkbmap -print / setxkbmap -option .. ) 01:15 < gnucode> ok. I will keep ~/.profile. and I will add "man ksh" to my reading list. 01:16 < gnucode> I will delete ~/.kshrc 01:16 -!- dev1ls [~dev1ls@user/Dev1ls] has joined #openbsd 01:17 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19 < rsjw> xse: thanks, I'll try that 01:21 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 01:22 < gnucode> ok now my $PATH on X includes ~/.config/polybar and ~/.config/emacs/bin nice. 01:25 -!- fifi__ [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has joined #openbsd 01:25 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:28 -!- fifi_ [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:31 -!- fifi_ [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has joined #openbsd 01:33 < gnucode> hey hey it works now! awesome! 01:33 < gnucode> thanks for the pointers! 01:35 -!- fifi__ [~fifi@83.137.6.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:56 -!- nyah [~nyah@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust260.7-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:56 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 01:56 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:20 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22 < SOLARIS_s> sup 02:23 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:23 -!- kikadf_ [~quassel@20014C4E2BC6CB00DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 02:23 -!- kikadf [~quassel@95C81883.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:25 -!- Bradipo [~amb@50-77-44-29-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:28 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 02:33 < fifi_> I am hving a hard time with setting up tls for my website 02:34 < morena> how so? 02:36 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 02:38 < phy1729> There's an example acme-client.conf and httpd.conf in /etc/examples 02:42 < gnucode> fifi_ who's your hosting provider? Just curious. 02:42 < fifi_> bsdforall.org 02:42 < fifi_> yeah well I can't use letsencrypt for the next two days 02:42 < fifi_> so I am trying to find something else 02:43 < fifi_> cause when Ivisit my website, it reports about tls certificate is self signed and is not secure 02:43 < fifi_> so I have to add exception in the browser o access 02:43 < fifi_> to access* 02:44 -!- namaste [~namaste@user/xyk] has joined #openbsd 02:44 < morena> or serve http for 2 days 02:45 < phy1729> The example acme-client.conf has an alternate authority. Maybe that'll work in the mean time 02:46 < gnucode> does OpenBSD work towards translating the man pages to other languages? 02:46 < morena> cool, did not know about it 02:47 < fifi_> the httpd.conf in that guide for wordpress: doas acme-client hat the ssl, if I delete this bit with tls then I get errors 02:47 < fifi_> https://daulton.ca/2020/03/openbsd-wordpress-server/ 02:48 < pardis> gnucode: no 02:49 < fifi_> but that's self signed certificate 02:51 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 02:54 -!- mjt is now known as mt 02:57 < fifi_> yea this is what I get when I enter my website: monsieur.host.bsdforall.org 02:58 < fifi_> just the tls, is that a big issue? I have no idea how to fix it... Maybe I shoud use letsecnrypt with acme_client? 02:58 < morena> ye, maybe ;/ 03:00 < fifi_> yeah, I will try again with lets encrypt in two days, cuz right now I am not able to create a .key and .crt, because I reached the limit or something xD 03:00 < pony> I'm looking forward to the new artwork. and running sysupgrade. 03:01 < gnucode> pony me too. :) April 10 is the release date? 03:01 < pony> idk 03:02 -!- chrisz [k9y3zphb39@195.52.24.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:04 -!- chrisz [lckyv18ks3@195.52.28.205] has joined #openbsd 03:04 < morena> fifi_: or try with that alternative buypass_test first 03:05 < fifi_> what's that? 03:06 < morena> check acme-client.conf 03:09 < morena> and if you are not familiar with httpd, read it a bit, temporary put default one during cert setup, when cert is okay, then replace it with that custom wordpress one 03:10 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11 < SOLARIS_s> isn't that in faq 03:13 < SOLARIS_s> & man relayd 03:19 < SOLARIS_s> i thought we can secure from layer 2 to layer 7 03:22 < fifi_> ok :) 03:25 < fifi_> https is nice anyway :) 03:25 < fifi_> I love those blocks stuff :) 03:25 < fifi_> httpd 03:28 < SOLARIS_s> + relayd 03:28 < fifi_> ok 03:28 -!- bket [~bket@user/bket] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30 < fifi_> what do u mean by saying custom wordpress cert? 03:31 -!- bket [~bket@user/bket] has joined #openbsd 03:34 < morena> I meant httpd.conf from that post 03:35 -!- Alhazred [~Alhazred@user/Alhazred] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:44 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:8949:66dc:c1e6:3502] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44 -!- devnull [~\dev\null@user/ShadowPasswd] has quit [Quit: I'm out] 03:45 -!- \dev\null [~\dev\null@user/ShadowPasswd] has joined #openbsd 03:50 < fifi_> does anybody host any forum here on openhttpd? 03:50 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:8949:66dc:c1e6:3502] has joined #openbsd 03:51 -!- 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OpenBSD on this machine didn't get updated for maybe a year or longer. What is the best way to get to the last release? Is it even possible to upgrade to every version in between? What about the all the hints and maybe steps I missed written in the release notes? 12:17 -!- Filystyn [~piotr@user/filystyn] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:17 -!- Workbench [~quassel@S0106f0f249e003f3.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #openbsd 12:20 -!- a1fa [~a1fa@user/a1fa] has joined #openbsd 12:24 -!- thimc [~user@h-94-254-36-180.A357.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24 < sibiria> you will have to upgrade version by version. no way to fast-forward 12:27 -!- zenptr [~zenptr@user/zenptr] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 12:27 -!- danilogondolfo [~danilogon@37.228.205.220] has joined #openbsd 12:32 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 12:33 < gnucode> morning everyone! 12:34 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37 -!- zenptr [~zenptr@user/zenptr] has joined #openbsd 12:39 -!- xse [~xse@user/xse] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 -!- overcq [~overcq@apn-31-0-68-71.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #openbsd 12:39 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 12:40 -!- xse [~xse@user/xse] has joined #openbsd 12:41 -!- lolok [~lolok@user/lolok] has joined #openbsd 12:44 -!- Red_ [~Red@102.92-221-235.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openbsd 12:47 -!- Red [~Red@102.92-221-235.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:49 -!- rvalles [~rvalles@user/rvalles] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:56 -!- Red_ is now known as Red 13:01 -!- mbuhl [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:01 -!- mbuhl4 [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has joined #openbsd 13:02 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 13:05 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 13:06 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@46.235.96.214] has joined #openbsd 13:11 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:77d4:126d:2ef2:50c] has joined #openbsd 13:13 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 13:15 -!- dutch [~DutchIngr@user/dutch] has joined #openbsd 13:23 -!- Quantafac [~Quantafac@12.22.122.66] has joined #openbsd 13:24 -!- nyah [~nyah@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust260.7-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openbsd 13:32 -!- l4ngly [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:5a4a:db40:53fb:15e4] has joined #openbsd 13:33 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:77d4:126d:2ef2:50c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43 -!- deltahotel [~fr5dh@user/deltahotel] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:48 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@94.119.64.13] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51 -!- deltahote1 [~fr5dh@80.12.254.24] has joined #openbsd 13:51 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.6] 13:53 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-135-164.toya.net.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 13:54 -!- Guest20 [~Guest20@190.162.23.246] has joined #openbsd 13:55 -!- deltahote1 [~fr5dh@80.12.254.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:56 -!- Guest20 [~Guest20@190.162.23.246] has quit [Client Quit] 13:59 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1016:866b:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has joined #openbsd 14:06 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 14:08 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 14:09 -!- srfsh [~srfsh@user/srfsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10 -!- srfsh [~srfsh@user/srfsh] has joined #openbsd 14:12 -!- robotvinyl [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:12 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@94.119.64.31] has joined #openbsd 14:13 -!- steerpike [~echelon@gateway/tor-sasl/steerpike] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14 -!- steerpike [~echelon@gateway/tor-sasl/steerpike] has joined #openbsd 14:22 -!- cgull [~cgull@207.180.129.73] has joined #openbsd 14:26 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@94.119.64.31] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31 -!- Vizva [~vizva@gateway/tor-sasl/vizva] has joined #openbsd 14:39 < SOLARIS_s> moin 14:41 -!- d-ra [~d-ra@user/d-ra] has joined #openbsd 14:41 -!- bsdguydr [~bsdguydr@user/bsdguydr] has joined #openbsd 14:41 -!- Hansol [~Hansol@94.156.58.157] has joined #openbsd 14:42 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@94.119.64.35] has joined #openbsd 14:42 < byteskeptical> can you do command substitution .cwmrc? I've tried a few different syntaxs without success. 14:42 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 14:48 < gnucode> byteskeptical I tried cwm for about a day. 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16:07 < thrig> found it in the docs 16:08 < morena> ye? 16:08 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@94.119.64.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:08 < riceandbeans> spacewalker: The good news is that if you have a decent internet setup, openbsd upgrades are pretty damn quick 16:09 < thrig> or if you can camp a spot at a coffeeshop for a morning 16:09 < thrig> (or two or three, depending on how long tex takes to install) 16:10 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10 < pardis> I wonder how much texlive would benefit from package deltas 16:10 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 16:11 < riceandbeans> Why is tex so big? 16:11 < morena> oh I assume ~f 16:17 -!- winter [~winter@user/winter] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 16:17 -!- lester29 [lester29@nastycode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:19 < sibiria> morena: mutt/neomutt is a much more convenient e-mail client than mail/mailx in base 16:20 < sibiria> alpine, mutt, notmuch... you'll be happier whatever you pick 16:21 -!- engler [~engler@user/emilengler] has joined #openbsd 16:21 -!- monkey_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 16:23 -!- irc-open-up [bounce@bounce.nastycode.com] has joined #openbsd 16:24 -!- ludovicus [jimbo@user/ludovicus] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@94.119.64.13] has joined #openbsd 16:30 < morena> well, tried mutt with local mbox and it was not really pleasant too 16:30 -!- ludovicus [jimbo@user/ludovicus] has joined #openbsd 16:31 < morena> have to play with setting more maybe 16:31 -!- hitest [~hitest@user/hitest] has joined #openbsd 16:32 < morena> was somehow not able to setup well folders like sent, trash in sidebar that it works, maybe will try Maildir that I remember worked well, but wanted to stay with mbox 16:35 < riceandbeans> You could be a weirdo and use thunderbird for it 16:35 < riceandbeans> Kind of heavy handed though 16:36 -!- f6k [f6k@miku.sdf.org] has joined #openbsd 16:38 < sibiria> not sure if neo/mutt can manage sidebar folders with mbox 16:39 < morena> ye, will try tonight Maildir on local how it will play 16:39 < morena> I just want to avoid imap/smtp from other machine and manage it on a mailserver 16:40 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 16:42 -!- bsdguydr [~bsdguydr@user/bsdguydr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46 < thrig> mbox is terrible (a non-zero number of Project Guntenberg books have paragraphs that start with >From) 16:47 -!- ripdog [~ripdog@user/ripdog] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:49 < engler> Maildir in general was a pretty smart invention, especially due to the atomic nature of file system rename operations. 16:49 < sibiria> maildir has its shortcomings, too, but generally a a clever format 16:50 < sibiria> until you have 200k e-mails etc. 16:50 < sibiria> or 64k in the case of some file systems 16:51 < rsjw> why is that a problem? 16:51 < thrig> running out of inodes 16:51 < sibiria> because it's a lot of files for one directory. some file systems manage that poorly, and some software (and certain operations that glob/tally files in a directory) go bonkers from it 16:52 < sibiria> sometimes it happens already at 10-15k entries in a directory 16:52 < thrig> (not a problem if you follow maibox zero and delete the heck out of things) 16:52 -!- jacobk [~quassel@64.189.201.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:52 < thrig> a user did once tell me that my IMAP server was slow they had 70,000 messages in their inbox, 50,000 of which were unread 16:52 < sibiria> try convince Margareth and Betty at accounting that they must follow The Doctrine Of Mailbox Zero 16:53 < sibiria> ok, inbox is now at zero items. i put everything in the archive folder instead 17:01 < gnucode> sibiria are you a maildir guy or an mbox guy ? 17:05 < sibiria> i use both. mbox on a smaller system where i read mail only on the terminal, maildir for a larger system with a handful of users and pop3 access 17:12 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 17:15 -!- jauntyd [~jauntyd@user/jauntyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:18 -!- format_c [~format_c@home.koeppe.rocks] has joined #openbsd 17:20 -!- sunwind [~paradox@145.167.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Outside Context Problem.] 17:20 -!- jauntyd [~jauntyd@user/jauntyd] has joined #openbsd 17:23 -!- typicat [~me0w@user/typicat] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:24 -!- shassard [~user@d162-156-41-221.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openbsd 17:24 -!- ArtGravity [~artgravit@user/artgravity] has joined #openbsd 17:26 -!- monkey_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26 -!- sunwind [~paradox@145.167.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openbsd 17:28 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 17:28 -!- lester29 [lester29@nastycode.com] has joined #openbsd 17:29 -!- typicat [~me0w@user/typicat] has joined #openbsd 17:31 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@c-67-183-224-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: desnudopenguino] 17:31 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@2601:602:d100:16fb:5269:c329:68d1:4532] has joined #openbsd 17:31 -!- gnucode [~joshua@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35 -!- fifihyperbola [~fifi@94.119.64.13] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- Rue [hlz@hlz.freeirc.org] has left #openbsd [WeeChat 3.8] 17:45 -!- engler [~engler@user/emilengler] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:46 -!- format_c [~format_c@home.koeppe.rocks] has quit [Quit: format_c] 17:49 -!- Vizva [~vizva@gateway/tor-sasl/vizva] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51 -!- an3223 [~user@user/an3223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00 -!- lolok [~lolok@user/lolok] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:05 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 18:07 -!- an3223 [~user@user/an3223] has joined #openbsd 18:14 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 18:21 < coreystephanphd> Does anyone know of a working (even test) build of OpenJFX? The most recent discussions that I can find were in ports@ in 2015, and they led nowhere. Of course, JRE has not had OpenJFX built-in for years now, and nearly every Java GUI project expects the host system to have OpenJFX separately as a native library... *sigh* 18:22 -!- gh34 [~textual@cpe-184-58-181-106.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #openbsd 18:22 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has joined #openbsd 18:23 -!- lavaball [felix@31.204.155.215] has quit [Quit: lavaball] 18:31 -!- militantorc is now known as e621 18:32 -!- e621 is now known as militantorc 18:32 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@218.89.253.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:33 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@125.69.99.172] has joined #openbsd 18:40 -!- sunwind [~paradox@145.167.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Outside Context Problem.] 18:45 -!- spacewalker [~taci@ip4-188-74-19-220.dyn.netcomnetz.de] has left #openbsd [] 18:46 -!- sunwind [~paradox@145.167.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openbsd 18:50 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 18:54 -!- shassard [~user@d162-156-41-221.bchsia.telus.net] has left #openbsd [] 18:55 -!- rsjw [~rsjw@pool-138-88-60-108.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:58 -!- SexWarrior [~DankFrank@2a01:4b00:940e:f600:c5f6:8951:104d:c3f4] has joined #openbsd 18:59 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 18:59 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 19:02 -!- adip [~adip@c144-111.icpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:03 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03 -!- adip [~adip@c144-111.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 19:03 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 19:10 -!- hussein1 [~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hussein1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:11 -!- hussein1 [~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hussein1] has joined #openbsd 19:16 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 19:25 -!- rsjw [~rsjw@pool-138-88-60-108.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openbsd 19:28 -!- sunwind [~paradox@145.167.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Outside Context Problem.] 19:29 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:31 -!- mp4 [~irc@user/mp3] has joined #openbsd 19:34 -!- nort [~nort@user/nort] has quit [Quit: I Quit!] 19:35 < mp4> does anyone use gnuradio on -current? after installation and running gnuradio-companion i have an error: https://pastebin.com/kLj3tfhU 19:36 < morena> sibiria: with that mbox with mutt? 19:38 -!- shassard [~user@d162-156-41-221.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openbsd 19:42 < morena> I did use really mail before, but today tried and with some lines of settings it was usable 19:44 -!- skreech [~skreech@user/skreech] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:44 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45 < morena> but really just on that level of usable 19:45 -!- Mete- [~quassel@2804:da8:f7a2:2874:e3fe:25e:58c1:fe33] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:47 < sibiria> morena: on the system where i use mbox it's with neomutt 19:47 < sibiria> only one user (me), low volumes of mail 19:48 < morena> ye, that's my case 19:48 -!- Mete- [~quassel@2804:da8:f7a2:2874:e3fe:25e:58c1:fe33] has joined #openbsd 19:48 < morena> can u map sent trash ... folders with mbox - mutt? 19:48 < uwharrie> yes 19:49 < morena> or maybe there is no reason to use mbox? 19:49 < morena> I just wanted to keep the default in /var/mail/morena 19:49 < morena> less I touch better ;/ 19:50 < sibiria> you can use /var/mail/ for Maildir, too 19:50 < morena> but in MaiLdir I just change a word in smtpd.conf and it will play probably nicer ;/ 19:51 < uwharrie> I've seen people use mutt+mbox with /var/mail/ as either Unread or Inbox, then have ~/Mail/{read,sent,trash}, but that was usually before maildir was more prevalent and useful 19:51 < morena> sibiria: not really that important, I forgot that it's just mbox setup, with Maildir it can goes to ~/Maildir 19:52 < morena> will try with mail, if that will be not enough, I will push to mutt 19:59 -!- dqk [~dqk@agrenoble-651-1-470-132.w90-42.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:59 -!- hitest [~hitest@user/hitest] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:5a4a:db40:53fb:15e4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:5a4a:db40:53fb:15e4] has joined #openbsd 20:01 -!- dqk [~dqk@agrenoble-651-1-491-208.w90-42.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 20:03 -!- terminaldweller [~terminald@user/terminaldweller] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2build5 - https://znc.in] 20:06 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:06 -!- terminaldweller [~terminald@user/terminaldweller] has joined #openbsd 20:08 -!- znedw2 [~znedw@home.znedw.com] has joined #openbsd 20:12 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 20:13 -!- skreech [skreech@user/skreech] has joined #openbsd 20:17 -!- bgs [~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 20:21 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 20:21 -!- feriman [~feriman@188.163.114.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:27 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:31 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31 < morena> I assume mail then can't get into Maildir? 20:35 < uwharrie> nope 20:37 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 20:37 < morena> oh 20:39 -!- treefrob [~treefrob@pd9e2d044.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:40 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 20:41 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 20:44 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1016:866b:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:47 -!- lucenera [~lucenera@user/lucenera] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 20:47 -!- lucenera [~lucenera@user/lucenera] has joined #openbsd 20:48 -!- Tracnac [~Thunderbi@user/tracnac] has joined #openbsd 20:48 -!- Tracnac [~Thunderbi@user/tracnac] has quit [Client Quit] 20:52 -!- treefrob [~treefrob@p57a96b79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 20:53 -!- morte_ is now known as morte 20:53 -!- tetraodon [~irc@obsd.me] has quit [Quit: tetraodon] 20:54 -!- _0bitcount [~BigByte@232.pool85-60-131.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #openbsd 20:55 -!- NicknameJohn [~NicknameJ@187-27-143-91.3g.claro.net.br] has joined #openbsd 20:57 -!- morte is now known as morte_ 20:57 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57 -!- sunwind [~paradox@145.167.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openbsd 21:01 -!- morte [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 21:04 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:15 -!- f6k [f6k@miku.sdf.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:18 -!- lavaball [felix@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 21:20 -!- steerpike [~echelon@gateway/tor-sasl/steerpike] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:22 -!- morte [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 21:29 -!- LW [~LW@i5e866b3b.versanet.de] has joined #openbsd 21:29 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:29 -!- Hansol [~Hansol@94.156.58.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:31 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:38 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has joined #openbsd 21:41 < pony> has anybody got this working on openbsd? https://www.linkace.org/ 21:43 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48 -!- Alhazred [~Alhazred@user/Alhazred] has joined #openbsd 21:49 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has joined #openbsd 21:50 -!- nixfloyd [~nixfloyd@user/nixfloyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:50 -!- fluentpwn [e7b4bb6755@pub.heathens.club] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50 -!- thatcher [16abab341f@pub.heathens.club] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51 -!- NiceBird [~NiceBird@185.133.111.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:51 -!- fluentpwn [e7b4bb6755@pub.heathens.club] has joined #openbsd 21:51 -!- thatcher [16abab341f@pub.heathens.club] has joined #openbsd 22:01 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:01 -!- desnudopenguino1 [~Thunderbi@2601:602:d100:16fb:5269:c329:68d1:4532] has joined #openbsd 22:02 -!- gh34 [~textual@cpe-184-58-181-106.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 22:04 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@2601:602:d100:16fb:5269:c329:68d1:4532] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:04 -!- desnudopenguino1 is now known as desnudopenguino 22:04 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 22:04 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.6] 22:05 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 22:12 -!- arpeas [~jamie@109-92-78-241.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openbsd 22:21 -!- _0bitcount [~BigByte@232.pool85-60-131.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23 -!- dev1ls [~dev1ls@user/Dev1ls] has quit [Quit: nyaa~] 22:24 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 22:24 -!- ssm_ [~ssm_@69-218-221-16.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 22:25 -!- MajorBiscuit [~MajorBisc@2001:1c00:2408:a400:7f99:b6d8:c8b8:dc05] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:25 < morena> not impressed with .muttrc fuckery 22:25 -!- nixfloyd [~nixfloyd@user/nixfloyd] has joined #openbsd 22:29 -!- nort [~nort@user/nort] has joined #openbsd 22:34 -!- arpeas [~jamie@109-92-78-241.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Quit.] 22:36 -!- ArtGravity [~artgravit@user/artgravity] has quit [] 22:37 -!- elastic_dog [~elastic_d@2a01:118f:620:5c00:5b5c:587d:9e9e:d473] has quit [Killed (zinc.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 22:37 -!- elastic_dog [~elastic_d@2a01:118f:620:5c00:5b5c:587d:9e9e:d473] has joined #openbsd 22:38 -!- xtile [~terrain@c-24-56-224-169.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #openbsd 22:40 < pony> we don't want fuckery! 22:42 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42 < morena> ye, exactly 22:43 < morena> while it works, config is too long for my test 22:43 < morena> taste 22:44 < thrig> email is pretty complicated; good luck finding a client that does what you want and supports enough 22:45 < morena> complicated? netcat can send email 22:45 -!- jacobk [~quassel@2600:100c:b005:df1:9db4:5c1b:dc58:c405] has joined #openbsd 22:46 < thrig> but then someone emails you a cat photo... 22:47 < morena> I know there is not really choice, alpine freeze for me, aerc what i remember crash and does not work better than mutt ... 22:47 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 22:50 -!- jacobk [~quassel@2600:100c:b005:df1:9db4:5c1b:dc58:c405] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:52 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 22:55 -!- LW [~LW@i5e866b3b.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.6] 22:55 -!- duri [~mduregon@97-120-147-79.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:55 -!- duri [~mduregon@97-120-147-79.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #openbsd 22:56 < mischief> neomutt? 22:57 < pony> I thought netcat was for cat photos 22:57 < pony> it's in the name right? 22:57 < thrig> usually a mime is involved 23:04 -!- shassard [~user@d162-156-41-221.bchsia.telus.net] has left #openbsd [] 23:06 -!- danilogondolfo [~danilogon@37.228.205.220] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06 < morena> I am still in stage of receiving offers from India, so I can use even pigeons now 23:12 -!- schalken [~schalken@117-118-178-69.gci.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:12 -!- schalken [~schalken@117-118-178-69.gci.net] has joined #openbsd 23:13 -!- lavaball [felix@31.204.155.215] has quit [Quit: lavaball] 23:13 -!- duri [~mduregon@97-120-147-79.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15 -!- duri [~mduregon@70-59-148-159.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #openbsd 23:21 < pardis> odd pigeons might be faster 23:21 < morena> that fucking mutt even requires kind of script that it works ;/ 23:21 < morena> inc onfig 23:21 -!- sliced [~sliced@81.15.241.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:26 < gnucode> morena: I personally think that Gnus works really well for mailing lists, but I would not describe it as "easy to use." 23:26 -!- robotvinyl__ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 23:28 -!- robotvinyl_ [~robotviny@66-73-165-82.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31 < gnucode> searching in gnus sucks. 23:33 -!- typicat [~me0w@user/typicat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:44 < morena> I avoid GNUwhatever as much as I am able 23:45 < gnucode> I got sucked into Emacs. I'm probably never coming out. :) 23:45 < morena> never used it, I would rather learn C than emacs ;/ probably requires the same amount of time ;/ 23:46 < gnucode> hahaha. 23:46 < xtile> C probably takes less time than GNU Emacs 23:46 < xtile> but C probably takes more time than mg 23:46 < xtile> morena: I recommend learning mg at some point just so you understand the common commands 23:47 < xtile> They're used in many programs, like your shell (if in emacs mode) and xedit 23:47 < morena> xedit ;/ 23:47 < xtile> yes 23:47 < morena> usually when I am annoyed by xthings I open xeyes ;/ 23:48 < morena> to remind me, it can be always worse 23:49 < xtile> something wrong with xeyes? ;P 23:52 < thrig> pretty sure my fingers remember how to get out of emacs. maybe. 23:53 -!- desnudopenguino1 [~Thunderbi@c-67-183-224-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 23:53 < xtile> ^X ^C ;D 23:53 < pony> :/ 23:53 < pony> I got RSI just reading that 23:56 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@2601:602:d100:16fb:5269:c329:68d1:4532] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56 -!- desnudopenguino1 is now known as desnudopenguino --- Log closed Sat Apr 08 00:00:39 2023