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00:00 < phy1729> You'd restart the service
00:00 < thrig> more elaborate would be to try turning the system off and back on again
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00:02 < housemate> haha
00:02 < housemate> cool, so I will simply restart the relayd daemon, ty peeps.
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00:31 < meena> @hourly rcctl restart relayd
00:35 < jf> relayd's https termination is "ok" but not "great"
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00:36 < thrig> Connection: Sarah Conner
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00:36 < jf> if you have it for a few connections .. it will be ok. if you are using it as a reverse proxy then you .. may end up using nginx.
00:36 < jf> (I was very sad the day I finally switched over to nginx in place of relayd)
00:39 < jf> i had / have my relayd relay with an interface line like "listen on 0.0.0.0 port 443 tls" and a pf.conf line like "pass in quick on egress proto tcp to port { http, https } synproxy state"
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00:40 < gnucode> Will OpenBSD ever stop supporting some of the older platforms?
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00:41 < jf> gnucode yes. look at some of the old releases for changes in supported platform and/or look at https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html for the discontinued ones
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00:43 < jf> the ones you care about are find - amd64 / arm64 / riscv64 - and sparc64 will probably stay a long time because it is the "best" at finding memory errors - the architecture is very sensitive to alignment for access to values
00:43 < thrig> RIP VAX
00:43 < tux0r> indeed, RIP VAX
00:43 < jf> RIP DEC :)
00:44 < pony> RIP AMIGA
00:44 < jf> I still have my 500 somewhere. Pretty sure my box of disks is now dust.
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00:45 < meena> jf: what about powerpc? does that one not care about memory alignment?
00:46 < jf> yes it does. i .. recall that sparc64 was the hardest of the set to keep happy so it was a good way to find bugs.
00:46 < gnucode> jf  I do kind of like powerpc.  My buddy has a raptor, but they are really expensive.  :(
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00:47 < ssm_> x11 is occasionally crashing with dmesg reporting `uvm_mapent_alloc: out of static map entries`
00:48 < ssm_> is there a way to not run out of a static map entries
00:49 < jf> all my machines are headless. i don't know anything about x11 ..
00:49 < gnucode> ssm_: I suppose you could not use X.... just kidding.
00:49 < gnucode> jf: are your machines running servers?
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00:51 < jf> small hardware but yes. firewalls / email-hosting / small-websites
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00:54 < gnucode> jf: can you give me an estimate...could OpenBSD power hacker news?  Phoronix.com.  What do you suppose its limit is?
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00:56 < ssm_> that sounds more like a hardware question than an openbsd question
00:58 < gnucode> ssm_: Ok.  Suppose I have a Talos II running OpenBSD that is hosting a website.  How big of a site could it host?  gnu.org  mozilla.org ?  
00:59 < gnucode> I guess we know that OpenBSD hosts openbsd.org ...
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01:00 < jf> gnucode is this a static side or some kind of server that generates content? is it behind a CDN or serving everything directly?
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01:00 < jf> i'm not expert at this - but the static / dynamic and cdn / direct make a big difference.
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01:01 < jf> you could also get "fancy" and run some number of reverse proxies onto a private network with a bunch of cheap content farms.
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01:02 < jf> if you have a dynamic site with a db backend then the db backend can be bottleneck - so you put the capacity there.
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01:04 < gnucode> hmmmm.  I'm certainly happy with OpenBSD's performance on my T400.  Works just fine.
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01:05 < jf> my smallest server is a 2vCPU / 2Gb thing on a 3Tb/month plan. it does fine.
01:05 < jf> that's an nginx reverse-proxy to a python webapp
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01:08 < jf> best approach is to make something work, then adapt to where the bottlenecks are.
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01:15 < linsux> i setup nextcloud with mysql, nginx reverse proxy ssl redis, in linux docker comtainer, one file set them all. can i do that in openbsd
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01:31 < r7st> linsux: there's a nextcloud port
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01:32 < r7st> looks like vultr has 7.3 already
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01:34 < pony> I don't like how vultr has their own images that you don't know what they've done with
01:34 < pony> I just install myself with the original ISO
01:36 < thrig> it's already someone else's computer
01:36 < r7st> i know they create one partition and include python3
01:37 < r7st> pony: i mean, isn't that every provider for every image
01:37 < r7st> with* rather
01:37 < pony> yeah
01:38 < pony> and yeah, a vm on someone else's computer
01:38 < r7st> what is the advantage of installing manually
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01:38 < pony> you know you're getting the defaults
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01:40 < r7st> the implication being that they actively made default config worse in some way?
01:42 < pony> I'm just saying you know what you're getting
01:42 < pony> and yeah, maybe
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01:48 < r7st> fair enough i suppose
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01:53 < jf> i use vultr. and .. i reinstall over their default. 
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02:46 < ox1eef_> Vultr has been great. Haven't tried OpenBSD there but it is one the few options that support BSD. And their physical-like terminal access has been helpful more than once.
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02:51 < xgpt> wait, is python3 not supposed to be installed by default?
02:51 < xgpt> eew, I just booted a fresh vultr on 7.3
02:51 < xgpt> why can't they just leave the default install alone?
02:52 < ox1eef_> They provide a standard base system.
02:52 < xgpt> guess that's fair
02:52 < thrig> it might get dragged in for glib2 for rspamd
02:53 < xgpt> plus they hand me my own root passwd
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02:53 < pardis> it's generally a good idea to install yourself on Vultr
02:53 < pardis> at least if you want to adhere to the partitioning advice in the FAQ
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02:56 < ox1eef_> I used (a)uto for that.
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03:16 < polarian> Update to 7.3!!!
03:17 < polarian> I feel im the only person who likes "Hacker People" 
03:17 < polarian> most people I meet say its too cringy
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03:23 < thrig> nerds are, apparently, boring
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03:30 < nadav> re0: watchdog timeout (running under virt-manager)
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04:02 < mischief> oh dear. i think i've lost some throughput on 7.3 :(
04:02 < thrig> ask for a refund
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04:04 < mischief> barely pushing 100Mbit, easily got line rate before
04:06 < epony> check out the regression framework results by bluhm@
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04:46 < mischief> grumble
04:46 < mischief> false alarm, my linux box needed a kick in the pants
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04:50 < mischief> 935Mbit/s ish, pretty decent
04:50 < mischief> carry on
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05:12 < morena> oh ye
05:12 < morena> vultr tweaks more things
05:13 < morena> not justt partitioning
05:14 < morena> now can't remember what it was, but like some service enabled or disabled what should not be default 
05:14 < morena> or something like that
05:14 < morena> oh no, they enable multithread or whatever is it called
05:14 < morena> smt
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05:29 < morena> and even 25 port blocked there
05:29 < morena> so not worth money
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05:32 < xtile> Interesting.  Can't ask them to unblock it?
05:32 < xtile> I'm hoping to run email myself again sometime this year.
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05:40 < morena> probably can, don't remember
05:41 < morena> but still not sure if their IP range would be in good shape
05:41 < morena> maybe now if they block it by default, it will be okay
05:41 < morena> ye  you can request to unblock it
05:41 < morena> they say
05:42 < morena> but these big providers can be issue I think
05:42 < morena> at least from my experience, but that time they had it open so anybody was able to do shit there
05:42 < xtile> I used to use DigitalOcean to run a mailing list: took a month, but it finally was accepted by gmail, outlook, etc
05:42 < morena> so you setup everything well and paid for bad actors around
05:43 < morena> ye, had similar experience with some providers
05:43 < morena> took month or two 
05:43 < morena> but then like from one day to other found range in some block list 
05:43 < morena> bc. somebody around did something ...
05:44 < morena> I had usually issues with microsoft, apple
05:44 < morena> google usually at least deliver to junk ;/
05:45 < morena> on other hand, with smaller provider what I did, with pretty fresh setup and domain I sent to icloud and it ends in inbox on first try
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05:49 < xtile> ah nice about smaller provider
05:53 < morena> I used the same provider before for some time and also emails works great, and to be honest I even send one would say spam ;/
05:53 < morena> or at least few thousands unsolicited emails
05:53 < morena> and blocked nowhere
05:53 < morena> so probably kind of IP range reputation can make a huge difference or at least that was I experienced
05:53 < morena> before from these bigger like vultr, digital, linode and similar, like few emails and blocked
05:54 < morena> I mean regular email, not spam
05:54 < morena> like too much from "unknown" or bad range probably god knows
05:54 < morena> but that time anybody can pay like few cents for few days and send spam so
05:54 < morena> from their structure so they were threated that way probably
05:55 < morena> and not really bad actors, but many bad or insecure setups and all kind of nonsense "applications" what send god knows what ;/
05:56 < morena> but smtpd is excellent, love it
05:56 < morena> few lines and mail server works like a sharm
05:57 < morena> similar like httpd
05:57 < morena> last time I tried on linux, oh fuck
05:58 < morena> permission here and there, package includes thousands of lines ;/
05:59 < morena> openbsd is new old apple device ;/ it just works ;/
05:59 < morena> without much tweakery ;/
06:02 < xtile> yeah, httpd is a lot easier than apache
06:07 < morena> apache still alive? ;/
06:07 < morena> it's like 20 years I did not hear about it ;/ mostly nginx and new kids
06:08 < xtile> apache still works
06:08 < morena> windows vista too probably ;/
06:08 < xtile> heh
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06:10 < renaud> apache is still used in big enterprises as it has capabilities to insert proprietary plugins
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06:12 < morena> oh
06:12 < mischief> you can ask vultr to unblock 25
06:12 < mischief> i used to run smtpd there
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06:12 < renaud> I also have port 25 unblocked, uit was quite easy when I asked it
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06:16 < markand> apache is also used by those who started with it and never heard about alternatives so they use it for simple tasks that are much easier done with OpenBSD's httpd
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06:18 < morena> ye, thoose connecting from vista ;/
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06:21 < renaud> I use "ssl_ciphers     CHACHA20:AESGCM+EECDH:!AES128:@STRENGTH;", I doubt old OSes can connect
06:28 < quinq> oldlaptop, what I meant is that before the upgrade, it was working faster in order of magnitudes
06:29 < quinq> s/in/by/
06:36 < oldlaptop> O_o
06:38 < oldlaptop> Seems about the same-ish to me, at least for trivial programs
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13:04 < moviuro> is there a way to show what pfctl considers to be (vlan50:network:2) ?
13:09 < pardis> echo 'block from vlan50:network:2' | pfctl -nvf /dev/stdin
13:10 < pardis> ah, apparently - works just as well as /dev/stdin there
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13:12 < moviuro> no IP address found for vlan50:network:2 -- same thing for all things I tried: with and without parentheses, self:network:16, etc.
13:12 < IcePic> I would not use if:<number> unless one can prevent it, seems like it can go very wrong in the long term with changes to the list of aliases and one-or-100 v6 ips and so on
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13:13 < pardis> moviuro: why are you trying to use a non-existent IP address, then?
13:13 < pardis> might be better to explain what you're trying to achieve
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13:14 < moviuro> I'm trying to understand my pf ruleset. e.g. @31 block return in log quick on vlan50 from ! (vlan50:network:2) to any # which seems to be returning packets when it shouldn't (?)
13:15 < IcePic> so what line did that come from in pf.conf (as opposed to the pfctl -vvsr output)
13:15 < moviuro> block return in quick log on vlan50 from ! (vlan50:network)
13:16 < jf> i'm used to (eg) vlan50:network:0 (omit aliases) and vlan50:network (include aliases), but .. not :2 at the end. I don't see that in the man page for pf.conf
13:16 < IcePic> jf: that would be the manpage for "pfctl" under -s rules if anywhere
13:18 < jf> oh, it's a pfctl OUTPUT, not a valid rule INPUT
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13:24 < moviuro> thanks, the echo(1) from pardis returns the expected data when I use 'vlan50:network' only
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14:25 < kfv> Hey everyone. Anyone here running OpenBSD Arm64 VM on an M1 Pro box? I've been trying to set up an instance on UTM, but am getting the following:
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14:25 < kfv> "Press ESC in n seconds to skip startup.sh or any other key to continue."
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14:29 < kfv> Silly me, it ain't from OpenBSD, but the UTM indicating I've picked the wrong arch.
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19:37 < leah2> can the bootaa64.efi openbsd loader load from a EFI system partiton?
19:42 < brynet> load in what sense?
19:42 < sibiria> that's where it should go
19:42 < sibiria> it belongs on the ESP
19:42 < leah2> it seems to default to sd0a:
19:42 < leah2> but that's a openbsd partition in the usual layout i think?
19:42 < brynet> if you mean load a kernel from the ESP, then no.
19:42 < leah2> essentially i have an efi shell and want to load bsd.rd
19:44 < leah2> i guess i need a second disk with miniroot on it
19:44 < brynet> yes
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20:07 < leah2> hrm, i can load bsd.rd now but there seems to be no efifb on arm64?
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20:15 < jcs> it should setup a simplefb framebuffer there
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20:16 < jcs> you may need 'set tty fb0' at the bootloader before booting
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20:21 < leah2> i'll try
20:21 < jcs> what kind of device is this?
20:21 < leah2> a hetzner CAX21 vm
20:21 < leah2> internally qemu i think
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20:23 < leah2> still no output
20:24 < leah2> i'll let the experts figure this out ;)
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20:30 < sibiria> are you sure it provides virtio vga or similat at all?
20:30 < sibiria> similar*
20:31 < leah2> it has virtio-gpu on linux
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22:28 < Filystyn> fast easy questions
22:29 < Filystyn> where ther any patches already ?
22:29 < Filystyn> do I remember correct that if no ptach there will be signed error on syspatch
22:29 < Filystyn> untill any existing patch shows up
22:30 < Filystyn> i go sleep have a good night
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22:30 < tux0r> any patches will be on the errata page
22:31 < tux0r> heh. youngsters. always in a hurry-
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