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"/pub/OpenBSD/syspatch/7.3/amd64/SHA256.sig" does not exist. package updates, yes. "pkg-add -u" 01:01 -!- desnudopenguino [~Thunderbi@2601:602:d100:16fb:2901:d702:e878:4f13] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:01 -!- desnudopenguino1 is now known as desnudopenguino 01:02 < jf> tux0r "in a hurry". yeah. it is the way of things. 01:04 < jf> vortexx very cool. i had not noticed, and .. yes it appears so: "hwfeatures=1b7 hardmtu 9216" on mine. 01:06 -!- monkey_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 01:07 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:11 < jf> not sure if 7.3 is faster than 7.2 - i get 860Mbps down / 890Mbps up which is "approximately" the same as I got with 7.2. i think my ISP is the bottleneck. 01:16 -!- chilledfrogs [~chilledfr@2001:861:8c97:f330:9196:48a8:1e3c:ea79] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:19 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 01:29 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 01:31 -!- fflam [~mdt@pool-72-84-218-120.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:33 -!- fflam [~mdt@185.156.46.154] has joined #openbsd 01:34 -!- morte [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:41 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has joined #openbsd 01:43 -!- brock [~brock@209.122.210.88] has joined #openbsd 01:48 -!- captnemo [~captnemo@193.32.127.232] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 01:53 -!- an3223 [~user@user/an3223] has joined #openbsd 02:12 -!- chrisz [mwc686gl3k@195.52.25.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:13 -!- rurtty [~wwwww@46.235.97.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14 -!- chrisz [v399ubk7k2@195.52.20.189] has joined #openbsd 02:19 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.200.233] has joined #openbsd 02:23 -!- ebonheart [~quassel@182-164-247-206f1.osk2.eonet.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 02:30 -!- ebonheart [~quassel@182-164-247-206f1.osk2.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #openbsd 02:35 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:38 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@46.235.96.214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 02:51 < coreystephanphd> Testing [NEW] port from ports@, Error: "Libraries in packing-lists in the ports tree and libraries from installed packages don't match." -current, ran sysupgrade, upgraded packages, and updated Ports Tree today. What am I missing? 02:52 < rsjw> if you run binary packages, maybe pkg_add -u 02:55 -!- zwr [~zwr@189.80.71.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:56 < coreystephanphd> Apparently, there was another snapshot that dropped between me running sysupgrade and me updating the Ports Tree. I am doing sysupgrade again, pkg_add -u again, and then updating Ports Tree again. 02:57 * coreystephanphd the weird timing of things, eh? 02:59 -!- zwr [~zwr@189.80.71.140] has joined #openbsd 03:09 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 03:13 < coreystephanphd> rsjw: No, same error after doing all that. 03:13 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13 < coreystephanphd> Thoughts? 03:14 < rsjw> not really. sometimes current gets broken and you just have to wait for them to fix it 03:14 < rsjw> but I don't even know if that's the issue 03:15 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.200.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16 < rsjw> are you running both a -current openbsd and a -current ports? 03:18 < rsjw> I guess you already said you were running a snapshot 03:19 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.200.233] has joined #openbsd 03:25 < coreystephanphd> rsjw: Doh. Forgot to change url of Ports Tree download to snapshot/* *should have had a V8* 03:29 < rsjw> lucky guess :) 03:29 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 03:29 -!- Rynn [~rynn@216.30.158.198] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…] 03:29 * coreystephanphd wonders if the *should have had a V8* reference and forgetfulness combined makes him look old 03:34 < fro> v8 is still a thing and it's been around for like 90 years 03:34 < fro> so no 03:35 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 < fro> also isn't it "could've had a v8" 03:36 < fro> i forget 03:36 < fro> v8 is disgusting 03:37 -!- todd [~todd@gateway/tor-sasl/toddf] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:43 -!- todd [~todd@gateway/tor-sasl/toddf] has joined #openbsd 03:49 -!- institor [~absentia@user/institor] has joined #openbsd 03:50 -!- samedi [~samedi@user/samedi] has joined #openbsd 03:51 -!- samedi [~samedi@user/samedi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51 -!- samedi [~samedi@user/samedi] has joined #openbsd 03:52 -!- samedi [~samedi@user/samedi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53 -!- monkey_ is now known as morte 03:59 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 04:01 -!- morte [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:01 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 04:08 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has joined #openbsd 04:10 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.200.233] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:14 -!- Gremlin8483 [~Gremlin84@c-73-243-250-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:14 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15 -!- Gremlin8483 [~Gremlin84@c-73-243-250-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 04:15 -!- bsdguydr [~bsdguydr@user/bsdguydr] has joined #openbsd 04:21 -!- bsdguydr [~bsdguydr@user/bsdguydr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:30 -!- ripdog [~ripdog@user/ripdog] has joined #openbsd 04:35 -!- jmcgnh [~jmcgnh@wikipedia/jmcgnh] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 04:35 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.52.254] has joined #openbsd 04:41 -!- jmcgnh [~jmcgnh@wikipedia/jmcgnh] has joined #openbsd 04:43 -!- kfv [~kfv@static.88.198.109.65.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openbsd 04:51 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.52.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:53 -!- bgs [~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net] has joined #openbsd 04:58 -!- jmurd0ch [~jmurd0ch@2600:1700:8390:2a00::43] has joined #openbsd 05:01 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.52.254] has joined #openbsd 05:07 -!- jmurd0ch [~jmurd0ch@2600:1700:8390:2a00::43] has left #openbsd [] 05:07 -!- cation [cation@user/cation] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:07 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:08 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has joined #openbsd 05:08 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.64.104] has joined #openbsd 05:09 -!- cation [cation@user/cation] has joined #openbsd 05:16 -!- epony [~epony@user/epony] has joined #openbsd 05:24 -!- NicknameJohn [~NicknameJ@187-27-157-79.3g.claro.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:25 -!- kodcode1 [~kodcode@69.28.82.126] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.6] 05:27 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27 -!- horrad [~horrad@217.91.26.253] has joined #openbsd 05:30 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.64.104] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 05:32 -!- fstd [~fstd@xdsl-89-0-141-233.nc.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33 -!- fstd [~fstd@xdsl-89-0-141-233.nc.de] has joined #openbsd 05:34 -!- typicat [~me0w@user/typicat] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:38 -!- kodcode [~kodcode@user/kodcode] has joined #openbsd 05:42 -!- feriman [~feriman@188.163.114.49] has joined #openbsd 05:42 -!- dastain [~dastain@2a00:d880:6:262::45a3] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:43 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.64.104] has joined #openbsd 05:43 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.64.104] has quit [Client Quit] 05:44 -!- kfv [~kfv@static.88.198.109.65.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has joined #openbsd 05:48 -!- m5zs7k [aquares@web10.mydevil.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:49 -!- m5zs7k [aquares@web10.mydevil.net] has joined #openbsd 05:50 -!- kfv [~kfv@static.88.198.109.65.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openbsd 05:50 -!- dastain [~dastain@2a00:d880:6:262::45a3] has joined #openbsd 05:50 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.52.254] has quit [Quit: https://executingreality.com/ - Formerly subpoena.world, ... 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bx, it's unmaintained afaik 08:23 < luna_> irssi <3 08:23 -!- feriman [~feriman@188.163.114.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:23 < zelest> +1 08:23 < psionic> how? lets integrate mirc into openbsd someone should port it or write one from scratch 08:23 < IcePic> luna +1 08:23 < psionic> Laughs Out Loud 08:24 < zelest> psionic, cut out the colors please. 08:24 -!- lavaball [felix@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 08:25 < morena> I think debian still has bitchx 08:25 < morena> on OpenBSD there is epic5 08:25 < morena> but probably broken there if I remember well 08:25 < morena> epic or ircII works on OpenBSD pretty well 08:26 -!- Trigon [~reuben@144.39.114.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:26 < morena> on their own interesting standards ;/ 08:29 < luna_> people talked about weechat but i did not like that, channel sorting was all wonky bf said there was a plugin to make it nicer, but irssi makes it nice from the start 08:30 < morena> ye 08:30 < morena> weechat reminds me of firefox 08:30 < morena> one need to spend few hours of removing and tweaking things to make it usable 08:30 < luna_> nothing wrong with Firefox :p 08:30 < morena> and in weechat case it's usually make it like irssi 08:32 < luna_> but guess i am baised as the Swedish translator of Firefox but this skylake box seem to like chromium better =( 08:33 < morena> I use firefox for years 08:33 < morena> works okay on OpenBSD 08:33 < morena> of course it performs like shit on this machine ;/ 08:33 < morena> if I have skylake that would be like quantum computer for me ;/ 08:34 < pardis> it works okay for a tool whose primary function is to download and execute untrusted code from random servers on the Internet, yes 08:35 -!- bpye [~bpye@user/bpye] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:35 -!- imega [~coma@nat-wlan-eduroam-192-41-132-233.uzh.ch] has joined #openbsd 08:35 < morena> what you mean? 08:35 < morena> what you use for web browse? 08:36 < ludovicus> I like to use Links or lynx to get URLs so I can DL and watch vids 08:36 < pardis> I use firefox because it is necessary 08:36 < pardis> doesn't mean I have to pretend the modern web is anything more than that 08:37 < morena> ye, probably more can agree on that ;/ 08:38 * zelest prefer ungoogled-chromium 08:38 < morena> waiting for day when they prohibit content blocker and it will make them completely unusable ;/ 08:38 < luna_> morena: i am one of those wierd people running Arch however, mostly just joining this channel when listening to BSD Now :p 08:39 < morena> oh arch btw? 08:39 < luna_> so it seems 08:39 -!- zxrom_ [~zxrom@mm-145-13-212-37.vitebsk.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined #openbsd 08:40 -!- AlaskanEmily [~AlaskanEm@user/alaskanemily] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40 < prahou> ludovicus: pair links with mpv, grab a url via links, play it with mpv 08:41 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.64.104] has joined #openbsd 08:41 -!- zxrom [~zxrom@mm-186-0-212-37.vitebsk.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] 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linsux on my laptop but go with bsd 08:57 < zelest> each to their own I guess 08:57 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.64.104] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 08:58 < zelest> debian uses systemd as well and using an antic release isn't really something to brag about, secutity wise. 08:58 < prahou> ludovicus: depending on your needs, you can associate video files within links to open in an external program Settings > File Associations, but this is only useful when working with video files directly, say example.com/video.mp4. 08:58 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.64.104] has joined #openbsd 08:58 < zelest> (assuming I read your message correct) 08:58 < prahou> for working with urls that stream videos, it's useful to run links inside tmux and have custom macrost that grab the url and pipe it to a program of your choice, say youtube-dl 09:00 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #openbsd 09:00 -!- zer0bitz_ [~zer0bitz@2001:2003:f443:d600:d554:fc6:e6ea:dbfb] has joined #openbsd 09:00 -!- zxrom 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Just wondering if this is expected. 11:14 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 11:15 < IcePic> kodcode: yes, the installer and the upgrade will correct permissions at the last stage when it says "making all device nodes" 11:15 < IcePic> kodcode: perhaps look at "man fbtab" for how to make sure the logged in user can use the video device 11:16 -!- Assassink786[m] [~assassin7@2001:470:69fc:105::2:ac85] has joined #openbsd 11:16 < renaud> pfff, py-cryptography-40.0 11:16 < renaud> pfff, py-cryptography-40.0 checks for libressl <=3.7.1, so it doesn't build with 3.7.2 11:16 < kodcode> IcePic: Thanks for the prompt reply. I'll look into that! 11:16 < renaud> python stuff is worse every release 11:17 < IcePic> renaud: isnt py-crypto getting rust code, to make sure old arches wont ever have it working? 11:17 < renaud> also 11:17 -!- jjf [~jjf@c-73-226-29-246.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 11:18 < renaud> python is the new java 11:18 < IcePic> renaud: yeah, java does such stuff too. 11:18 < pardis> and to make sure new arches have insane memory requirements to run anything non-trivial in python 11:19 < IcePic> somewhat like old fortran code on Irix, which forced irix to invent fake virtual memory, so f77 programs (who didnt have a decent malloc) could just map gigs of ram even though ram+swap wasn't this large 11:20 < IcePic> https://rainbow.ldeo.columbia.edu/documentation/sgi-faq/admin/13.html 11:23 < pardis> I'm sure it will be worth it for all the time and bugs saved rewriting perfectly good python and/or C code in a new and unfamiliar language 11:26 -!- Albright_ 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obsd to call "cc", but on other unices it wasnt as easy 11:30 < renaud> well, commercial UNIX always has a C compiler 11:31 < IcePic> renaud: sure, but you might not have exactly that one 11:31 < renaud> ah, yes, for PERL, that's an issue 11:31 < xtile> renaud: Solaris doesn't have a C compiler (it's separate from the OS) 11:32 -!- Assassink786[m] [~assassin7@2001:470:69fc:105::2:ac85] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- VarikValefor[m] [~varikvale@2001:470:69fc:105::a5d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- Akawama[m] [~akawama@user/akawama] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- shashwat[m] [~shashwats@2001:470:69fc:105::3:3a8d] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32 -!- fualaat2[m] [~fualaat2m@2001:470:69fc:105::1:f05] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- sewn [~sewnenvsn@2001:470:69fc:105::2:f8cf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- yahtu[m] 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there wasnt a super crappy sparc compiler with solaris named "acc" in /usr/ucb or somewhere that was almost usable if you built super simple stuff only, like old gcc which then could build more recent versions later 11:35 -!- v2px [~v2px@user/v2px] has quit [Quit: CARRIER LOST] 11:37 < renaud> I don't remember that 11:37 < coreystephanphd> Does OpenBSD block Web browser / other access to localhost (127.0.0.1) by default in some way that I am missing? 11:37 -!- fualaat2[m] [~fualaat2m@2001:470:69fc:105::1:f05] has joined #openbsd 11:37 < renaud> like http://localhost:431 with firefox? 11:37 -!- yahtu[m] [~yahtucham@2001:470:69fc:105::3:15b2] has joined #openbsd 11:37 -!- sewn [~sewnenvsn@2001:470:69fc:105::2:f8cf] has joined #openbsd 11:37 -!- jaimohxo[m] [~jaimohxoc@2001:470:69fc:105::3:1a1d] has joined #openbsd 11:37 -!- VarikValefor[m] [~varikvale@2001:470:69fc:105::a5d] has joined #openbsd 11:37 -!- apoorv569[m] [~apoorv569@2001:470:69fc:105::ceb9] has joined #openbsd 11:37 -!- 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I open the URL for the Zotero.org website, login, and get to the point of clicking "Save Key," and then in any browser (tested in 3) receive "unable to connect to 127.0.0.1" error. 11:41 < pardis> have you confirmed whether you have something listening on the port it is trying to connect to? 11:41 < pardis> can you connect with nc(1)? 11:41 < coreystephanphd> Its port attempts are random. It is very hard for me to pin down what is happening as a result. 11:42 < coreystephanphd> It *might* be that Zotero is not installed, but that leaves us with a chicken-and-egg situation, because a major point of the kbibtex port is to address Zotero not being compilable. 11:43 -!- nicknick1 [~Guest26@103.114.199.14] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:44 * coreystephanphd sighs hoping that someone can see his blind spot but knowing that this is odd 11:44 -!- deepesttoaster [~deepestto@user/deepesttoaster] has joined #openbsd 11:46 -!- xs [~xs@user/xs/x-9591474] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48 -!- Leone [~Leo@45.72.209.51] has joined #openbsd 11:53 -!- NiceBird [~NiceBird@185.133.111.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54 -!- bradd [~quassel@user/bradd] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:54 -!- Rynn [~rynn@216.30.158.198] has joined #openbsd 11:56 < IcePic> coreystephanphd: the port can't be random and then the panel just connects to "localhost" without figuring out which port should be listening 11:57 -!- NiceBird [~NiceBird@185.133.111.196] has joined #openbsd 12:00 < coreystephanphd> The attempted port changes every time. 12:02 < coreystephanphd> But I will see what I can do with nc(1). Thanks, pardis and IcePic . 12:02 < byteskeptical> coreystephanphd: fstat | fgrep internet && netstat -iunlq 12:03 -!- an3223 [~user@user/an3223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-135-164.toya.net.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 12:06 < coreystephanphd> byteskeptical: IcePic: Okay. Weird. Now it *is* trying one consistent port, and there is *not* anything listening on that port per the netstat output. I think that helps me isolate the issue to not having Zotero installed. But, it should be addressable by communicating with KBibTeX's authors, who might never have expected someone to try this on a host without Zotero already. 12:06 < coreystephanphd> Good. Thanks, folks. 12:06 -!- housemate [~housemate@144.130.158.65] has joined #openbsd 12:06 * coreystephanphd leaves to chat with the right support team 12:08 < housemate> citizens what is the program used to manage volumes on BSD systems? 12:09 < sibiria> fdisk and disklabel 12:10 < IcePic> obsd doesn't have something like "lvm" if that is what "volumes" means in this context 12:11 < sibiria> nor a convenient graphical "disks" tool 12:11 < sibiria> this is like a digital version of the australian arid wilderness. don't you get it, housemate?! 12:12 < IcePic> sibiria: and all bugs are out to eat you? =) 12:12 < sibiria> some even derive pleasure from it 12:13 < housemate> ty 12:15 -!- isak [~radio@sourcehut/user/isak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 -!- gbe [~gbe@ext.ttyv0.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 -!- gbe [~gbe@ext.ttyv0.de] has joined #openbsd 12:18 -!- gbe [~gbe@ext.ttyv0.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 -!- gbe [~gbe@ext.ttyv0.de] has joined #openbsd 12:28 -!- tercaL [~tercaL@user/tercal] has joined #openbsd 12:29 -!- housemate [~housemate@144.130.158.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:39 < lavaball> i'm contributing! 12:39 < lavaball> take that doubters! 12:42 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.35.3] has joined #openbsd 12:45 -!- beefyran [~beefyran@2601:406:100:830:2d00:1de0:3e1b:b073] has joined #openbsd 12:54 -!- scain [~scain@2603-8080-b104-4e00-45cf-678b-0a7f-b897.res6.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 13:01 -!- joe9 [~joe@c-73-24-163-37.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 13:04 -!- Guest15 [~Guest15@ip-74-83-77-131.dynamic.fuse.net] has joined #openbsd 13:06 -!- morte [~user@190.104.116.153] has joined #openbsd 13:07 -!- Guest15 [~Guest15@ip-74-83-77-131.dynamic.fuse.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:11 -!- michael_ [~michael@ip-74-83-77-131.dynamic.fuse.net] has joined #openbsd 13:14 -!- michael_ [~michael@ip-74-83-77-131.dynamic.fuse.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:16 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:77d4:126d:2ef2:50c] has joined #openbsd 13:18 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:19 -!- xtile [~terrain@c-24-56-224-169.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 13:20 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has joined #openbsd 13:27 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 13:27 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@171.223.92.181] has joined #openbsd 13:28 -!- gid [~gid@user/gid] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28 -!- gid [~gid@user/gid] has joined #openbsd 13:28 -!- debianero [~debianero@user/debianero] has joined #openbsd 13:31 -!- michael_ [~michael@ip-74-83-77-131.dynamic.fuse.net] has joined #openbsd 13:37 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.35.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.107.157] has joined #openbsd 13:39 -!- ioxception [~quassel@45.88.190.155] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40 -!- ioxception [~quassel@45.88.190.155] has joined #openbsd 13:40 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@46.235.96.214] has joined #openbsd 13:42 -!- namaste [~namaste@user/xyk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:42 -!- sjs [~sjs@user/sjs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:43 -!- genpaku [~waldner@107.191.100.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:43 -!- sjs [~sjs@user/sjs] has joined #openbsd 13:44 -!- genpaku [~waldner@107.191.100.185] has joined #openbsd 13:44 -!- mikess [~sam@user/mikess] has joined #openbsd 13:45 -!- jmcunx [jmc@user/zjmc] has joined #openbsd 13:47 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.107.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.107.157] has joined #openbsd 13:49 -!- Windshield [~Windshiel@120.20.66.112] has joined #openbsd 13:50 < Windshield> HELO 13:50 < Windshield> Have you seen it 13:50 < Windshield> 7.3 13:50 < Windshield> It's out 13:50 < morena> no 13:50 < Windshield> tee hee 13:52 < Windshield> I'm downloading now 13:52 < Windshield> 200kB/s 13:52 < Windshield> It must be so busy 13:53 < IcePic> Windshield: what do you think "it" is in your sentence? 13:54 < Windshield> openbsd 7.3 13:54 < Windshield> scuse me 13:54 < pardis> the busiest release yet 13:54 -!- fr0hike [~fr0ghike@2601:193:8300:c910:77d4:126d:2ef2:50c] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@46.235.96.214] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:59 * jmcunx and easiest upgrade yet :) 14:00 < Windshield> My install is a bit of doohickery 14:00 < Windshield> SO I install from scratch 14:01 < Windshield> It sux a bit 14:01 < Windshield> But is good practice 14:06 -!- Mete- [~quassel@2804:da8:f7a2:2874:e3fe:25e:58c1:fe33] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07 -!- Mete- [~quassel@2804:da8:f7a2:2874:e3fe:25e:58c1:fe33] has joined #openbsd 14:08 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 14:16 < housemate> hello there, which proxy server program is would you folks consider as being a quite a good one? 14:17 < housemate> it is only for a small application in how it will be used... 14:18 -!- willyg_cos [~willyg_co@user/willyg-cos/x-4994202] has joined #openbsd 14:20 -!- kaisersosse [~kaisersos@user/kaisersosse] has joined #openbsd 14:21 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-135-164.toya.net.pl] has joined #openbsd 14:21 < renaud> housemate: depends on what you intend to do 14:21 -!- elastic_dog [~elastic_d@2a01:118f:620:5c00:5b5c:587d:9e9e:d473] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:22 < renaud> it seems home assistant is quite prone to crash on 7.3, but logs show nothing of interest 14:22 -!- elastic_dog [~elastic_d@2a01:118f:620:5c00:5b5c:587d:9e9e:d473] has joined #openbsd 14:26 < housemate> it is solely for the purpose of uhh... 14:26 < housemate> ban evasion, rofl. 14:26 < housemate> I have am running about, on average, two bans each day from each of the *nix OS channels... 14:26 < housemate> rofl. 14:27 -!- loadmasther [~loadmasth@2803:c600:8126:a8f8:ccd9:ec3d:c98a:99d2] has joined #openbsd 14:27 < pardis> a better solution might be to work on not repeating the things that get you banned 14:27 < housemate> that may be somewhat of an exaggeration, although, it cannot be all that far off it, either. 14:27 < housemate> ROFL, pardis. 14:28 < byteskeptical> or just start your own channel the_ban_clan 14:28 < housemate> it is not as easy as you'd think... the most reasonable of folks I've encountered on the software channels available on this network happen to be #archlinux, ngl. 14:29 < pardis> yep, never used IRC so I'd have no idea about that 14:30 < housemate> it is that even with this one, I find the enforcement of the strict topic specific discussion, I mean even at times which it is entirely without any well justified reason. like for example times during when nobody at all happens to be posting messages, etc... 14:31 < epony> focus on OpenBSD ;-) 14:31 < pardis> when you are in somebody else's home, it is a good idea to follow their rules, even if your home has different rules 14:31 -!- isak [~radio@sourcehut/user/isak] has joined #openbsd 14:31 < lavaball> cp -r openBSD_src/sys/ /sys/ gives me: cp: /sys/: File exists 14:32 -!- michael_ [~michael@ip-74-83-77-131.dynamic.fuse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32 < housemate> it just seems, like- to me? that the whoever is enforcing the rule at the particular time at which it could very obviously lead to sparking discussion which could lead to, who knows? if it never takes place, you know? I mean I was often, tbh, bringing up particular topics of whatever context and which would, quite often lead to the actual generation of discussion which is in all ways, so absolutely related to technology, and computer systems, etc. 14:33 < morena> some irc clients offer proxy themself or you can forward shit with ssh 14:34 < drobban> housemate: perhaps you should join ##chat then? 14:35 < housemate> so it does provide benefits, if only just the enjoyment and providing an improving in the members present in the chat and reading the dialog, rofl. I mean, sure. if there is some, especially heavy discussion taking place on matters on the topic the channel was created to exist for, then, it is, common sense, or should be, to uphold the respect for others, as it is just, not your natural way of behaving upon finding yourself in such a situation? 14:36 < thrig> too many words 14:36 -!- mason [~mason@fsf/member/ChibaPet] has joined #openbsd 14:36 < pardis> so this is where commas come from 14:37 < housemate> it seems to me to be, just- like, I am unable to say this in any way which seems less insulting, but it is that I certainly do not mean it to insult anybody, solely to convey a point. which seems worthy, y'know..? 14:37 < housemate> heh 14:37 < housemate> it just makes sense, man... 14:37 < housemate> oh, rofl.. 14:37 < housemate> sorry 14:37 < sibiria> housemate: half of the times it's indeed contrived. shutting conversation down just for the sake of shutting conversation down. like an urge to assert oneself. half of the times it may be warranted. a case of hiding behind rationality and discounting their own place and the others' place in the interaction and possibly also some desire to "win" the conversation 14:38 < sibiria> but the bottom line is that those who were first in here to create the channel never intended it to be democratic in any form at all. there will be no vote 14:38 < byteskeptical> housemate: you know there are *-social channels for this 14:38 < sibiria> just gotta roll with it when someone raises the finger 14:38 < housemate> I left out that; it seems to be as being that the person complaining about such a case as in the above, it seems that they are undergoing some unusual, or disturbed psychological state, or yes. heh. 14:38 < housemate> to me* 14:39 -!- engler [~engler@user/emilengler] has joined #openbsd 14:40 < housemate> which is just, like because why prevent intelectual discussion which may lead to the who knows where, exactly... and it is obvious that on a protocol as IRC, that the discussion is NEVER rubbish, I mean. rofl. 14:40 < byteskeptical> lavaball: that's got lost in the shuffle ls -lsa /sys 14:40 < byteskeptical> lavaball: it's a symlink 14:41 < housemate> most of us, if not all are very involved in the study of whatever particular field which we seem to be at the time, and whatever, IME. I mean- 14:41 < housemate> lol 14:41 < byteskeptical> lavaball: -R may work 14:41 < lavaball> mkdir /usr/src/sys fixed it. 14:42 < lavaball> thanks though. 14:44 < lavaball> why do i have to get the whole kernel if i just want to write a quick driver? 14:45 < sibiria> the drivers live inside the kernel 14:45 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:45 < lavaball> i know. it makes a tedious thoguh. 14:46 < lavaball> especially on older hardware. 14:46 < uwharrie> more tedious than grabbing headers and makefiles one by one? 14:46 < lavaball> anyway, it's compiling! 14:46 < housemate> sorry give me one moment, but just beforehand I want to state that I would with quite regularity start conversation discussing some technological subject, software, or hardware, or even of any of the sciences in general. and actually I would not even consider such a discussion as being completely off-topic, due to its very close ability to be considered as being a part of the topic, in a general sense, do you see? like say I would state something 14:46 < housemate> in relation to some architectural aspect of the actual physical construction of the components which a computer consists of, or some subject which pertains to logic, or whatever, y'know? 14:47 < sibiria> in an alternate universe, openbsd kernel supports loadable modules 14:47 < lavaball> oh, that's a linux thing, right? 14:47 < lavaball> well, i guess then i won't complain. 14:47 < uwharrie> and has separate -dev -devel -libs -libs-debug -headers -src packages 14:47 < lavaball> i never did kernel stuff for linux. i wouldn't know. i usually just bitch about things. 14:48 < byteskeptical> uwharrie: I hate that ish 14:48 < jmcunx> housemate: there is #openbsd-social, I think that is used for off-topic chats :) 14:48 < lavaball> anyway, i appreciate you explaining things as usual. 14:48 < housemate> haha, this is sometimes what would happen in #archlinux... 14:50 < jess> i don't think publicly announcing your intention to ban evade is a smart move 14:51 -!- Windshield [~Windshiel@120.20.66.112] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:52 < housemate> but they were the MOST what I would call NORMAL, in their sense of being grounded in the psychological sense. just due to my reasoning in the manner that I have perceived the complaint, without any valid justification, whatsoever. 14:52 < housemate> etc... 14:53 < sibiria> some people are just hammers, and everyone can look like a nail for no solid reason 14:54 < sibiria> anyone* 14:54 < lavaball> i'm not following. what exactly is happning right now? is this about the woke stuff? 14:55 -!- rkta [~rkta@user/rkta] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:55 < uwharrie> can you prefix this person so we can can ignore your responses to them too? 14:55 < sibiria> housemate: let's take a step back. listen to Synergy - Electric Blue with me 14:55 < housemate> and yes, fair... I mean they put up with me for a VERY surprisingly LONG period of time, ngl... rofl. I mean they did not even ban me when I had posted a dick pic into the main channel, ffs. haha! for what purpose, haha. well this is why they've seemed to remain resolved on the keeping my ban in place, haha. due to my CONSTANT fucking, well- what was simply a result of my level of happiness in my life during that time! 14:55 < lavaball> uwharrie, there is a option for the ignore repsonse part. they did that to me once. 14:55 -!- Bradipo [~amb@50-77-44-29-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #openbsd 14:55 -!- horrad [~horrad@217.91.26.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56 -!- rkta [~rkta@user/rkta] has joined #openbsd 14:56 -!- gh34 [~textual@cpe-184-58-181-106.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #openbsd 14:57 -!- mode/#openbsd [+o phy1729] by ChanServ 14:57 -!- mode/#openbsd [+q $a:housemate] by phy1729 14:57 < lavaball> what? can i now not hear what he says? 14:57 <@phy1729> I've have work things to deal with. I'll review later 14:59 -!- brock [~brock@209.122.210.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 14:59 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has left #openbsd [] 15:00 < lavaball> this isn't right. you robbed me of the ability to read what he writes. 15:00 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:01 -!- brock [~brock@185.199.102.175] has joined #openbsd 15:01 < lavaball> i was just about to figure out what was gonig on too! now what do i do? 15:01 <@phy1729> PM him 15:01 < lani_> Pretty sure I successfully mounted this disk last week, but am experiencing this now: https://clbin.com/MhgnN ... Not sure what I am missing here. Does a duid: 0000000000000000 point to an issue? 15:01 < lavaball> i've learned that is frowned upon. 15:02 < lavaball> i have a different question. why are the french forcing young russians to write tablet drivers for openbsd? 15:02 < pardis> no, that duid just means you don't have a real disklabel, which is expected for a non-OpenBSD disk 15:02 < pardis> does dmesg have anything relevant? 15:03 < lavaball> i: 249704448 32768 NTFS ntfs? like windows ntfs? openbsd can read that? 15:03 < lavaball> it can! 15:03 < lavaball> nobody told me! 15:04 < pardis> also, have you tried with -r? not sure if ntfs mounts are read-only by default or not, but there is no write support 15:04 < lavaball> how come ext4 isn't readable? 15:04 -!- yin [~z@user/zero] has joined #openbsd 15:04 < lani_> pardis: I will look at dmesg now. I have not tried -r, but will do so. I don't recall using that flag last time. 15:05 < pardis> I don't use ntfs, so it may or may not help, just a guess 15:06 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 15:08 -!- engler [~engler@user/emilengler] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:08 -!- s1gyn [~s1gyn@user/s1gyn] has joined #openbsd 15:08 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.107.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10 -!- housemate [~housemate@144.130.158.65] has joined #openbsd 15:10 < lani_> Relevant dmesg & attempt with -r https://clbin.com/SXkC5 15:11 -!- mode/#openbsd [-qo $a:housemate phy1729] by phy1729 15:11 -!- housemate [~housemate@144.130.158.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 -!- housemate [~housemate@144.130.158.65] has joined #openbsd 15:11 < pardis> is that the end of your dmesg? nothing else shows up when you run that mount command? 15:11 < phy1729> housemate: yes, I'm aware you're evading and have been for months, but as long as you're not disruptive and keep things topical, I don't really care. 15:11 -!- lani_ is now known as lani 15:13 < lani> pardis: Yes, those few lines were at the tail of dmesg output, and nothing else whos up with I run that command 15:13 < lani> :%s/whos/shows 15:13 < sibiria> prosit 15:15 < lani> I wonder what happened with this disk, I certainly mounted it and viewed the contents last week. odd. 15:15 < pardis> the only place in the ntfs mounting code I can see that could return EINVAL in this case is if the boot block is invalid 15:16 < lani> in fact my auth log shows that when I successfully mounted it last week, it only required $ doas mount /dev/sd2i ~/my_usb 15:17 < pardis> if you remove '-t ntfs' from the mount command, does it make any difference? 15:17 < thrig> usb are known to corrupt themselves 15:18 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 15:18 < lani> pardis: Same result. thrig This is true. If I had a windows machine handy, I would test it there. 15:18 < sibiria> test it on a linux live thingy 15:19 < pardis> you could pkg_add ntfs_3g and see if any of the tools in that package can give you more information 15:19 < lani> Good idea. Yes thanks everyone. 15:22 -!- dev1ls [~dev1ls@user/Dev1ls] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24 -!- sliced [~sliced@PC-91-201-17-116.tvk-net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:24 < lani> Aha, my roomate left his Chromebook here and I plugged the disk into that. Reads just fine, files are viewable. Interesting. 15:25 -!- typicat [~me0w@user/typicat] has joined #openbsd 15:26 -!- adip [~adip@c154-9.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:26 -!- loadmasther [~loadmasth@2803:c600:8126:a8f8:ccd9:ec3d:c98a:99d2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:27 -!- toorop [~toorop@82-65-231-179.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:27 -!- brock [~brock@185.199.102.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:27 < lani> Maybe I should save the data elsewhere and reformat the disk to FAT for better compatability 15:28 -!- toorop [~toorop@82-65-231-179.subs.proxad.net] has joined #openbsd 15:29 -!- leo-unglaub [~leo-ungla@2001:871:258:788:cbb:f463:ed7:d7a6] has joined #openbsd 15:29 -!- brock [~brock@209.122.210.88] has joined #openbsd 15:30 -!- sliced [~sliced@PC-91-201-17-116.tvk-net.pl] has joined #openbsd 15:34 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-135-164.toya.net.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 15:36 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has joined #openbsd 15:44 < henrix> I'm considering trying again mail selfhosting on a VPS 15:44 < henrix> I've tried vultr in the past but they refused to open port 25 15:44 < henrix> any recommendations for _cheap_ VPS providers? Does hetzner allow it? 15:45 -!- joe9 [~joe@c-73-24-163-37.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:45 < thrig> vultr opened 25 for me 15:46 < henrix> thrig: yeah, but it refused for me so that's a no-go ;-) 15:46 < henrix> (unless you teach me the trick, of course) 15:47 < sibiria> oracle is cheap, and they will open port 25 for you and give your IPs reverses once you upgrade to paid tenancy 15:47 < sibiria> you can use entirely free resources on your paid tenancy 15:47 < sibiria> you just have to verify your credit/debit card with them and you're good to go 15:48 < henrix> sibiria: hmm, ok. I didn't considered oracle, but I'll add it to the list. Thanks for the hint 15:48 -!- joe9 [~joe@c-73-24-163-37.hsd1.az.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 15:50 < henrix> openbsd.amsterdam isn't the cheapest, but I'd also consider it as it donates to openbsd. any experience on email hosting there? 15:51 -!- loadmasther [~loadmasth@2803:c600:8126:a8f8:ccd9:ec3d:c98a:99d2] has joined #openbsd 15:52 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has joined #openbsd 15:52 < xse> eeh i don't host mail on my vm there but i can send mail fine so 25 must be open 15:54 -!- imega [~coma@nat-wlan-eduroam-192-41-132-233.uzh.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:55 < henrix> not really. you need the server your sending email to to have port 25 open 15:57 < Bradipo> This crusade against port 25 is ridiculous. Any service provider that blocks it is not worth giving a dime to. If your ISP blocks it for any reason, then you have a 3rd class ISP. 15:57 < xse> ah, i was thinking as opposed to let's say, at my home where i can't send anything without a relay 15:58 < sibiria> back in the early 2000s residential ISPs were simply forced to. the situation with spam malware was pretty intense back then 15:59 < lavaball> don't you love the compiler errors that tell you that you forget a ; at the end of return 1? 15:59 < sibiria> but it's a bit strange the habit has lingered on this long now that we're past that use of malware 15:59 < lavaball> after compiling the kernel for an hour ... 15:59 -!- nmdv [~nmdv@user/nmdv] has joined #openbsd 16:00 < kaisersosse> henrix, since you are looking in europe anyway - I have my mail server running on the cheapest vps at netcup.de for many years now. No port 25 hussle required with them. Everything is open ootb 16:02 < sibiria> scaleway, also european, has everything open by default. cheapest offer they have is €5/month (VAT included) 16:03 < henrix> kaisersosse: sibiria: awesome, thanks. netcup and scaleway added to the list! (scaleway was there already) 16:04 < sibiria> openbsd on scaleway requires quite a bit of hassle, though 16:05 < henrix> oh, that's sad 16:06 < kaisersosse> with netcup you need to upload the installer image via SFTP yourself and boot from it. They don't have openbsd images available. Bit it is easy to do and since they are running KVM, I haven't encountered any issues with the hardware yet 16:07 < henrix> kaisersosse: ok, cool. I wonder if it's easy to do a full-disk encryption installation 16:08 < Bradipo> What would be the point? 16:08 < kaisersosse> yes, I have FDE running fine, but you have to enter the passphrase via their vnc console of course. 16:08 < Bradipo> Should be fairly easy if you have console access, but again, on someone else's computing platform, what's the point? :-) 16:09 < henrix> Bradipo: sure, but at least it will be inacessible when the VM is disposed. i guess that when you get a new VM your disk space may contain bits from someone else...? 16:09 < henrix> kaisersosse: cool, thanks! 16:09 < pardis> not if the hosting provider is doing their job properly 16:10 < pardis> granted, there is the question of whether you trust them enough for that to be the case 16:10 < Bradipo> It all boils down to trust. 16:11 < Bradipo> I'm not talking about disk at rest issues either. 16:11 < pardis> with FDE, if the host your VM is on has problems and your VM needs to be rebooted, it's offline until you wake up and notice that you need to connect and enter your passphrase 16:12 < pardis> you have to decide if that is worth whatever small theoretical benefit you might get from encryption 16:12 -!- MajorBiscuit [~MajorBisc@31-23-159.netrun.cytanet.com.cy] has joined #openbsd 16:12 -!- Alhazred [~Alhazred@user/Alhazred] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:12 < Bradipo> You could instead just make the virtual host a tunnelling system that tunnels back to a piece of equipment that you do trust. :-) 16:13 -!- MajorBiscuit [~MajorBisc@31-23-159.netrun.cytanet.com.cy] has quit [Client Quit] 16:13 -!- nmdv [~nmdv@user/nmdv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13 < Bradipo> But that doesn't buy much, just more points of failure I suppose. 16:13 -!- MajorBiscuit [~MajorBisc@31-23-159.netrun.cytanet.com.cy] has joined #openbsd 16:13 < Bradipo> However, if you have a 3rd class ISP then you could use it to escape their tyranny. 16:14 < Bradipo> Assuming of course they don't also block tunnelling technologies. 16:14 < henrix> yeah, that's an interesting option actually. I just want a VPS to have a public IP that can handle mail ;-) 16:14 -!- housemate [~housemate@144.130.158.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:15 -!- toorop [~toorop@82-65-231-179.subs.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15 < Bradipo> The VPS could have a public IP and tunnel over SSH to some other system which actually receives the email. 16:16 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:16 -!- toorop [~toorop@82-65-231-179.subs.proxad.net] has joined #openbsd 16:16 < sibiria> henrix: my approach to the FDE thing is to just keep the mails on an encrypted file system 16:16 < kaisersosse> and what happens if the tunnel is gone? Just another thing that can break. 16:16 < Bradipo> It's easy to keep tunnels up. 16:17 < Bradipo> But if the tunnel is down, then SMTP will retry later. 16:17 < kaisersosse> same for a system sitting at a prompt waiting for a passphrase. 16:17 < Bradipo> SMTP has built in mechanisms for retrying delivery of temporarily failed connections. 16:18 < henrix> sibiria: or simply not keeping the mail on the server. I was planning to use pop3 to fetch everything to a local server 16:18 < henrix> anyway, everything is still on the air, i'm still looking for providers that will allow me to run a mail server 16:19 < sibiria> i run pop3s, but the mail will of course sit on the server until i get it. same goes for the MTA's queue 16:19 < henrix> ah, right 16:19 < kaisersosse> plenty of them available. I personally avoid hetzner though as their ip ranges tend to suffer reputation with some gib corps 16:20 < kaisersosse> *big corps* 16:20 < henrix> kaisersosse: good to know that about hetzner ;-) 16:21 -!- travisp [~Thunderbi@173.217.198.73] has quit [Quit: travisp] 16:22 * henrix is surprised to see openbsd.amsterdam doesn't get any attention here 16:24 -!- MajorBiscuit [~MajorBisc@31-23-159.netrun.cytanet.com.cy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:24 < sibiria> if you already run a 24/7 openbsd setup at home, Bradipo's suggestion of running things in a VM on there and just tunneling for the external IP/reverse is a good solution as well 16:25 < myappie> henrix: I think a domain like amstrdam.nl would be better for attention-grabbing and growth in general 16:25 < byteskeptical> it's my go-to only downside is the size availability but they have been improving on that front as well 16:25 < sibiria> a bit easier to get grips of contingency and so 16:25 < kaisersosse> sibiria, do you have some proper guide to explain how to do this? 16:26 < kaisersosse> I mean the tunneling part 16:27 < sibiria> kaisersosse: it's just a matter of a routed wireguard tunnel. i don't have a guide handy, but it's fairly basic and there's help readily available here in this channel if you want to have a go at it 16:27 < Bradipo> It's also extremely easy with SSH. 16:28 < Bradipo> Wireguard may be more "automatic" if it's integrated with rc.d(8). 16:28 < sibiria> the great thing about openbsd's approach to wireguard is that you treat the pseudo interface and network as any other interface/lan 16:28 < sibiria> no annoying hoops to jump through on the openbsd side 16:28 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29 < kaisersosse> I cannot wrap my head around routing internal traffic through a tunnel with seperate ip range to a publically available ip. I don't get the routing part into my head 16:29 < sibiria> with pf you do it the exact same way as you would for a wireless or wired interface and its network 16:30 < sibiria> in this context it's irrelevant that it's a virtual network that links elsewhere 16:30 < Bradipo> I use the following in an authorized_keys file to bring up a PTP tunnel on "remote" side: tunnel="1",command="sh /etc/netstart tun1" ssh-ed25519 ... 16:30 < Bradipo> Then /etc/hostname.tun1 has 2 lines of configuration, one for inet and one for dest. 16:30 < sibiria> either way, if you need help with wireguard this is the place to ask 16:31 < Bradipo> Either way, the network routing is pretty straight forward once you actually get it working. Sometimes getting there can be a challenge if you're unfamiliar with the moving parts. 16:32 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@86-95-161-96.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #openbsd 16:32 < kaisersosse> thanks, I will consider it. I used to have my mailserver running at home for a long time, but back then I had a business contract with a fixed ip and was able to set the PTR properly. 16:32 < Bradipo> Wireguard will give better performance than SSH, but we're talking about SMTP tunnelling, right? :P 16:33 < Bradipo> I consider the simplicity a fair tradeoff. 16:37 -!- d99c [~user@cpe889e68399607-cm889e68399605.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openbsd 16:40 -!- jacobk [~quassel@129.110.242.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:43 < lavaball> contact! cth490 movement is seen in /var/log/messages! 16:44 -!- beefyran [~beefyran@2601:406:100:830:2d00:1de0:3e1b:b073] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:44 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has left #openbsd [] 16:45 -!- housemate [~housemate@120.20.107.157] has joined #openbsd 16:46 -!- zxrom [~zxrom@mm-69-3-212-37.vitebsk.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined #openbsd 16:47 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has joined #openbsd 16:47 -!- gnucode- 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22:54 < cjones> good afternoon, wondering if anyone is experiencing similar network delays that I'm seeing with my OpenBSD router since upgrading from 7.2 -> 7.3 22:56 -!- alderwick [~alderwick@user/alderwick] has joined #openbsd 22:57 < alderwick> another upgrade to 7.3 complete! \o/ 22:57 < cjones> since the upgrade I'm seeing frequent but brief delays.....typically I have sub-millisecond latency between my macOS host and the OpenBSD router. If I run a continuous ping to the router and also a host behind it (eg. 1.1.1.1) I get the same delays. The delays are random, brief (single echo reply) but the delay can range from 300 - 900 ms. 22:57 -!- foul_owl [~kerry@157.97.134.62] has joined #openbsd 22:58 < cjones> It's enough that it affects voice, video and other persistent connections (eg. SSH will have pause while I'm typing) 22:59 < cjones> if I look at the system processes I don't see any obvious issues with compute resources 22:59 < cjones> My router is an amd64 system that previously did not have these delays on 7.2 23:13 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 23:17 -!- nancy [~nancy@c-75-66-100-141.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 23:21 -!- nancy [~nancy@c-75-66-100-141.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:25 -!- jaj [~jaj@menial.joachim.cc] has left #openbsd [] 23:44 -!- Reinhilde is now known as Ellenor 23:50 -!- ajr [~ajr@user/ajr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] --- Log closed Fri Apr 14 00:00:47 2023