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00:11 < moonshine> cjones: https://www.openbsd.org/73.html see "Changes in the network stack", maybe there are some clues there
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00:42 < epony> try to be more precise about it
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02:12 < jeffmr> is the surf app supposed to work in openbsd?  I get a blank page with cgDISMfxT:-|
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05:21 < typicat> jeffmr, works fine here
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09:01 < renaud> has anyone tried to install py-cryptography 40.0.1 on OpenBSD 7.3?
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09:02 < renaud> It fails stating that LibreSSL must be <= 3.7.1. When I change that to add 3.7.2, it fails at linking
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09:07 < IcePic> snaps seem to only have py3-cryptography 39.0.1
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09:09 < renaud> https://github.com/pyca/cryptography/issues/8722
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09:10 < renaud> home assistant depends on cryptography==40.0.1
09:11 < IcePic> not that I know lots of python nor rust, but "fixing include path for libs" sounds somewhat "easy", is it not?
09:11 < IcePic> sorry, not libs but include path
09:12 < IcePic> for openbsd, we know where libressl includes are located
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09:13 < IcePic> and when I said "easy", I meant it would be some string to "fix" or "enable" somewhere, compared to "libressl deprecated rot-26 and py-crypto absolutely needs it"
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09:16 < drobban> renaud: home assistant? Mine only require food and some vaca from time to time
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09:25 < renaud> IcePic: with C, it's indeed easy
09:25 < renaud> with python/rust/pypi, that's something else
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09:26 < renaud> but ticket is already updated
09:27 < renaud> when 40.0.2 will be released, that will work
09:27 < renaud> but, of course, home assistant will still require ==40.0.1
09:28 < renaud> home assistant could never make it into ports, it always depends on most libraries with ==
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09:30 < IcePic> renaud: sounds like a classic "it works this time span of five minutes with what is current now, so I'll crazy-glue it into a container and never update again"
09:31 < renaud> exact, as bad as docker practices
09:31 < renaud> I once asked home assistant people to put something like > on a library because the new one didn't compile on OpenBSD
09:32 < renaud> and they more or less answered that by adding an OS check in their next version restricting it to linux and macos only
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09:32 < renaud> so I had to patch the next version to skip the OS check
09:33 < drobban> =D
09:33 < renaud> what a mind
09:33 < renaud> after that, they have added a new option "--ignore-os-check".
09:34 < renaud> also, they release a new major version every month, and they do minor versions by updating major versions of subprojects
09:35 < renaud> that dev mindset is absolutely terrible
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14:03 < sibiria> cjones: i haven't seen any stalling in line with what you suggest but i'm seeing slightly higher average latency for no other apparent reason than 7.3 itself
14:05 < sibiria> i used to have a steady ~1.5 ms latency between laptop and router when network was unloaded. with 7.3 it has bumped up to about 2.5 ms
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14:30 < cjones> sibiria: thanks for the feedback....I actually re-installed with 7.2 and am noticing the same intermittent delays (rather large - 200 - 900 ms), so it might be something else....
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14:32 < sibiria> active wifi scanning perhaps. some version of macOS did that in an inefficient way causing regular "bumps" in wifi latency
14:32 < cjones> it's enough of a delay that when I'm on a phone or video call I get this pauses in audio/video..... and even might SSH sessions to the router are momentary affected
14:32 < cjones> I'm ethernet connected
14:32 < sibiria> oh, definitely something else then
14:33 < cjones> ya, could be something with my Protectli hardware that just momentarily glitches
14:34 < cjones> Might be time to replace it
14:34 < sibiria> it's chinese rebranded hardware, with intel cpu and intel ethernet. it's probably just making a few calls home
14:36 < sibiria> try latest EFI/BIOS for it maybe, in case it's some known problem
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14:36 < cjones> ya thats worth a shot....I know mine is running coreboot
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14:38 < IcePic> cjones: could it be the cpu jumping up and down in power modes or something like that?
14:38 < sibiria> maybe try disabling apmd entirely, optionally replace it with obsdfreq with some smooth ramping settings
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14:39 < cjones> apmd is not even running
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14:42 < pardis> apmd does approximately nothing, it just sets some sysctls
14:43 < pardis> if you want to find out if cpu scaling is the problem, set sysctls hw.perfpolicy=manual and hw.setperf=100 and see if the problem goes away
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14:43 < pardis> if so, then maybe consider obsdfreqd if you don't want to run at 100% all the time, but there's no point fiddling with that just to find out if it's the problem
14:43 < IcePic> yeah, doesn't matter if you force it low or high, just that it should not change
14:47 < Bradipo> Oh, I guess I've misunderstood... I always thought apmd would suspend or hibernate a laptop when power levels got low.
14:47 < Bradipo> That's what obsdfreqd is for?
14:48 < Bradipo> I suppose actually that's more for managing CPU frequency as the name implies.
14:48 < pardis> apmd does do that
14:48 < pardis> I meant apmd does approximately nothing in the context of cpu scaling
14:48 < thrig> in theory you want the CPU low, until you compile something
14:48 < Bradipo> And apmd does not do that?
14:49 < pardis> apmd's cpu scaling options cause it to set sysctls to tell the kernel what the scaling policy is
14:49 < pardis> the kernel then scales the cpu
14:49 < Bradipo> Ok.
14:49 < Bradipo> So, apmd -A would keep the CPU low given the right conditions?
14:50 < crash_> apmd is full speed when connected to power and then it's lowering the cpu speed when on battery power by default?
14:50 < pardis> again, apmd has nothing to do with that
14:50 < pardis> but that is the kernel's automatic scaling policy iirc
14:50 < pardis> unless it's changed again
14:51 < Bradipo> Right, but doesn't apmd *change* it?
14:51 < pardis> it does, yes
14:51 < Bradipo> Or are you saying all that apmd does is set the sysctls to enable automatic scaling?  If that's all it does, I fail to see the need for apmd.
14:52 < pardis> but it's wrong to say that "apmd is [that policy]" because that policy does not exist anywhere inside apmd
14:52 < Bradipo> I could enable automatic scaling in /etc/sysctl.conf and not worry about apmd.
14:52 < pardis> you don't even need to do that since hw.perfpolicy=auto is the default
14:53 < pardis> you only need to turn apmd on if you want other features, like automatic suspend on low battery or the hook scripts it can execute on suspend/resume
14:53 < crash_> good to know :)
14:53 < pardis> or perhaps if you want to be able to adjust the cpu scaling dynamically as a non-root user via the apmd socket
14:54 < Bradipo> Is hw.perfpolicy newer?  I don't seem to have it in OpenBSD 7.1.
14:54 < Bradipo> sysctl: hw.perfpolicy: value is not available
14:54 < pardis> it's listed in http://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.1/man2/sysctl.2
14:54 < pardis> I think it doesn't show up if you don't have cpu scaling available, though
14:55 < Bradipo> Oh, that would make sense.
14:55 < pardis> I get the same result as you on my VMs, but the sysctl is there on bare metal
14:55 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'm on bare metal too, but it's not a laptop.
14:55 < Bradipo> Maybe this PC doesn't have support.
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16:35 < a1fa> hello!
16:35 < a1fa> does anyone have sample polybar config for openbsd volume controls?
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16:35 < a1fa> also need mapping Mouse4 to "Back"
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17:21 < a1fa> bindsym XF86AudioMute exec '/usr/bin/sndioctl output.mute=!'
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17:44 < rsjw> 0 thinkpad$ pwd
17:44 < rsjw> ksh: pwd: not found
17:44 < rsjw> 127 thinkpad$ pwd
17:44 < rsjw> /home/rob
17:44 < rsjw> 0 $
17:44 < rsjw> hmm...
17:46 < pardis> you probably typed some non-printing characters somewhere in the first one
17:47 < thrig> or the disk is failing
17:47 < rsjw> maybe, but I'm not sure what keys I would have to press to do that
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17:49 < moonshine> do you have any cats
17:50 < rsjw> why do you ask?
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17:52 < quinq> Because they know all about the keys to press
17:52 < rsjw> lol
18:06 < quinq> Hummm, it seems that my sndiod doesn't accept more than two network connections, and I can't see any parameter about that in sndiod man-page, am I imagining this and/or am I missing something?
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18:07 < rsjw> no extra characters show up when I select-copy and paste it in echo 'pasted text here' | xxd
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18:12 < rsjw> nevermind, non-prinable characters don't show up that way anyway
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18:14 < quinq> Yeah they should
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18:14 < quinq> $ echo foo bar|od -tx1
18:14 < quinq> 0000000   66  6f  6f  20  62  61  72  0a
18:15 < rsjw> aren't those all printable?
18:15 < quinq> $ echo foo^Hbar|od -tx1
18:15 < quinq> 0000000   66  6f  6f  08  62  61  72  0a
18:15 < quinq> Give me a second! ;)
18:16 < thrig> '\n' probably isn't printable
18:17 < rsjw> how did you get the ^H? did you have to diable ^H in stty?
18:17 < quinq> ^V^H
18:19 < rsjw> ok but if you select the output of echo foo^Hbar with the mouse and then paste it into echo '', then if you pipe that to od -tx1 you *don't* get ^H in the output, correct?
18:20 < rsjw> xterm select copy-paste with middle mouse button
18:20 < thrig> copy and paste may mangle the data in various ways
18:21 < rsjw> I think it wouldn't work because the text is already rendered to the terminal display, so all that you can copy is only the characters in the grid that you see
18:21 < quinq> Indeed not, rsjw, but this was about pressing keys, not selection-pasting
18:21 < thrig> urxvt might do unicode normalization, for example
18:25 < rsjw> I was select-pasting the command to try to test the hypothesis that it had stray characters
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18:29 < rsjw> well FCEDIT=vim; fc 49;, where 49 is the command in question shows some stray characters, so it looks like it was that
18:29 < quinq> You should be able to get the command back with ^P
18:29 < quinq> or ^R
18:29 < quinq> or history
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18:45 < gipa> cjones: i think someone reported this to the mailing list (cpu spikes on protectli devices), workaround was to connect a display via HDMI...
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18:51 < gipa> cjones: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=167308748720981&w=2
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18:56 < jf> gipa i think that was corrected with the drm update between 7.2 and 7.3
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19:01 < a1fa> who's running i?
19:02 < a1fa> i3
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19:03 < thrig> I am running me
19:03 < a1fa> can you share your bindsym XF86AudioMute
19:04 < a1fa> bindsym XF86AudioMute exec '/usr/bin/sndioctl output.mute=!'
19:05 < a1fa> not working, i'd hate to call a script for it
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19:09 < a1fa> i see it in xsession log
19:09 < a1fa> it keeps printing output.mute=0
19:09 < a1fa> if i hold the mute key then it works
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19:10  * jf remove the quotes
19:11 < jf> bindsym XF86AudioMute exec /usr/bin/sndioctl output.mute=!
19:11 < jf> or possibly
19:11 < jf> bindsym XF86AudioMute exec /usr/bin/sndioctl "output.mute=!"
19:11 < jf> if the ! is getting mangled by i3
19:12 < jf> i looked at the bindsym examples here: https://gist.github.com/Florianjw/08f3645dc8fce66f4c71
19:12 < jf> all the exec lines have commands and command-arguments in separate strings
19:12 < a1fa> amixer
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19:17 < a1fa> i do see it work
19:17 < a1fa> if i press the keyboard mute button, i see it print output.mute=1
19:18 < a1fa> but i have to hold it down for few seconds, and see it print liek 6 times
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19:25 < cjones> gipa: Thats exactly what the problem is. As soon as I plugged an HDMI cable into my mintor the issue stopped. Great find — thank you!
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19:42 < a1fa> this is crazy
19:42 < a1fa> HERE
19:42 < a1fa> output.mute=0
19:42 < a1fa> HERE
19:42 < a1fa> output.mute=0
19:42 < a1fa> i moved it into a script
19:42 < a1fa> "HERE" is above the line
19:42 < a1fa> i am doing an -eq check on the output
19:43 < a1fa> if i run the command via cli
19:43 < a1fa> it toggles just fine
19:43 < a1fa> if i press the mute button, it keeps printing the same thing
19:43 < a1fa> HERE and output.mute=0
19:43 < a1fa> over and over again.. and via cli.. it toggles correctly
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19:47 < a1fa> to fix it.. i had to call mute twice
19:48 < a1fa> http://paste.debian.net/plain/1277389
19:48 < a1fa> this is the only way i could get it to toggle
19:48 < a1fa> via mute key
19:49 < a1fa> whatever
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21:43 < thrig> snakes, why did it have to be snakes. /me waits for the firefox launcher to get done with the pkg_add -u
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21:51 < lavaball> i think it's best if you go down first.
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21:52 < lavaball> oh, it's "asp, very dangerous. you go first".
21:53 < lavaball> asps
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22:00 < villehardouin> Are there any BSD forks/builds that don't come with networking support, for local use? Or am I going to have to compile :/
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22:01 < sibiria> you can simply *not* configure an interface and you will be fine
22:02 < Bradipo> villehardouin: Trying to make a true offline crypto device? :-)
22:02 < villehardouin> Wow you read my mind
22:02 < thrig> The socket() system call first appeared in 4.1cBSD. so something before that should do?
22:02 < sibiria> <crypto bro> dude, we need the loopback interface gone, too. it's a hazard
22:03 < villehardouin> What's wrong with being a crypto bro, bro?
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22:03 < sibiria> openbsd won't automatically bring interfaces up just because they're connected. you can just omit configs for them
22:03 < Bradipo> You probably don't need to compile... you can probably use config -e
22:04 < Bradipo> But yes, it's a lot of work when you can just rm /etc/hostname.*
22:04 < villehardouin> Ok was just curious. I am not gonna compile
22:04 < villehardouin> i'll look into your suggestions
22:06 < meena> What's wrong with being a crypto bro, bro? — everything.
22:07 < villehardouin> So are you opposed to people owning bitcoing, monero and ethereum?
22:07  * moonshine popcorn
22:08 < sibiria> they are all false prophets. you will sell now and buy dogecoin
22:08 < Bradipo> villehardouin: Bitcoin is hardly the best use of "crypto", but I don't think anyone is against it per se.
22:08 < Bradipo> You can do what you want with your money.
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22:09 < villehardouin> Monero is the best use but it's worth having some btc lying around
22:09 < thrig> ... having to scrape bitcoin spam off a mail server is a waste of my time, so it's a net negative in my book
22:09 < meena> i once read the openssl source code, and cried
22:09 < meena> that's my take on crypto
22:10 < moonshine> what happens when your $country splits off from the internet
22:10 < Bradipo> CBDC to the rescue?
22:11 < villehardouin> I'm from the U.S. so I guess the whole world would be f***d in that case
22:11 < villehardouin> thrig Sounds like somebody didn't configure spamassassin properly...
22:12 < Bradipo> Who needs spamassassin... I haven't touched it in years.
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22:19 < lavaball> openra on current is quite old.
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22:24 < flaxarn> Hi all, I wonder how can I see what program is using a network port when it's not visible with fstat
22:24 < flaxarn> With netstat I see this https://dpaste.org/pyNud/raw
22:24 < Bradipo> Why doesn't fstat work?
22:25 < flaxarn> I don't know why but "fstat -n|grep 5798" doesn't show it
22:26 < thrig> maybe seasoned with insufficient doas
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22:26 < flaxarn> I'm root
22:26 < Bradipo> What about: fstat -n | grep udp
22:26 < martian67> flaxarn:  fstat using port names instead of numbers?
22:27 < martian67> just a blind guess
22:27 < flaxarn> martian67, I think "fstat -n" removes port names
22:27 < Bradipo> No.
22:27 < Bradipo> -n is about major,minor nodes in the filesystem.
22:28 < Bradipo> Though, it's possible that -n also means numeric port number, it's not explictly spelled out.
22:28 < flaxarn> Bradipo, with "grep udp" no new info
22:28 < Bradipo> Does it match *any* lines of udp ports?
22:29 < flaxarn> Yes maybe 10 lines but I recognize them all except two lines "*:0" that I don't understand
22:29 < flaxarn> Netstat also show two "*:0"
22:29 < flaxarn> For UDP
22:30 < Bradipo> On my system, the *:0 is for dhcpreleased.
22:31 < flaxarn> Yes that matches for me too
22:31 < flaxarn> But no info anywhere on 5798
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22:31 < flaxarn> This is a VMM machine so maybe it is something to manage it
22:32 < Bradipo> Still, I would expect fstat to show something about it.
22:32 < Bradipo> But maybe not with VMM...
22:32 < Bradipo> I have no VMM so I cannot compare.
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22:33 < flaxarn> It's OpenBSD 7.3 running inside VMM and the "outside" is OpenBSD 7.2 but no 5798 there or anyother strange mystery port
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22:35 < flaxarn> I do "netstat -a" to find this port 5798 line as it will not show up without "-a"
22:37 < Bradipo> Does "netstat -n -p udp" show anything useful?
22:37 < flaxarn> Bradipo, with that command it's not there
22:37 < Bradipo> Interesting.
22:38 < flaxarn> I also checked "pfctl -s all" and nothing there
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22:43 < flaxarn> It's clean OpenBSD 7.3 installation that I did not install anything to
22:44 < flaxarn> I have rebooted the VMM and 5798 is gone but replaced with port 25553 for udp ipv4 and udp ipv6
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22:45 < villehardouin> Another question: Anyone know if it's possible to control amdgpu fan speeds with OpenBSD? I can't find anything online about it
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22:56 < xse> flaxarn: 7.3 vm on 7.2 host but i'm not seeing anything https://0x0.st/H8bf.txt (51820 is wireguard)
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22:58 < flaxarn> Ohhhhh!!!
22:58 < flaxarn> It is WireGuard!!
22:59 < flaxarn> My interface file is not complete but it anyway choses a random port and makes half activated interface
22:59 < Bradipo> I suppose that makes sense since wg is in the kernel?
22:59 < flaxarn> xse, thank you I can sleep finally
23:00 < xse> sweet :p
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23:04 < flaxarn> Bradipo, with only "inet x.x.x.x" line it starts up and uses that port
23:04 < flaxarn> To listen for connections I am guessing even if it has no key created
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23:05 < flaxarn> Thanks again for suggestions and helping find it
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