--- Log opened Mon Apr 17 00:00:51 2023
00:03 < nij-> I'm running openbsd over QEMU and maybe that's why.. still dunno how to resolve it though.
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00:18 < oldlaptop> qemu's networking is funky; don't recall offhand if it was that particular kind of funky
00:19 < oldlaptop> the precise nature of the funkitude will no doubt depend on configuration as well
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00:36 < captnemo> uh, is anyone else having issues with tor-browser segfaulting
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00:43 < phy1729> Did you update packages?
00:50 < captnemo> yeah, I'm on the latest snapshot.
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02:40 < nij-> oldlaptop what would you recommend then? I'm on mac M2.
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07:46 < Xeroine> Hey,  about every 10 minutes I get "Connection to ${OpenBSD_IP} closed by remote host" when connecting with ssh.  Only things I've modified in sshd_config are PasswordAuthentication and PermitRootLogin and here https://bpa.st/TIQA6 is the output of `rcctl get sshd`.  On Linux OSs I didn't have any problems with an identical setup.  I'm on raspberry pi 4b using the arm64 version.  I'm also EDK2 instead of u-boot if that matters.
07:46 < Xeroine> I'm also using*
07:48 < pardis> sshd_flags=NO means sshd is disabled
07:48 < pardis> are you starting sshd some other way?
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07:49 < pardis> also, does anything show up in /var/log/secure or /var/log/messages when the problem occurs?
07:50 < pardis> or /var/log/authlog, I suppose
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07:54 < Xeroine> oh right,  I forgot to mention I started it directly instead of using rcctl
07:55 < Xeroine> I'll check those files
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08:52 < lavaball> i appreciate unrar being in the ports tree.
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08:53 < IcePic> those late 90s MSDOS games are nog going to unpack themselves
08:54 < IcePic> or, you unrar them to get 14M zip-splits named blabla.z56.. 
08:55 < lavaball> hahahahaha ICEPIC! you know what i'm talking about!
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08:55 < lavaball> anyway, just had to compile it my own self over at alpine. though i didn't find no sha256 and nothing on the rar page. don't they offer that?
08:56 < lavaball> well, it's a container, so i locked any outgoing traffic except to the repository server. 
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09:10 < quinq> There's p7zip-rar though, maybe that'd work for you
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09:12 < obcecado> heh, there were a huge of archivers
09:12 < obcecado> ace, rar, zip packed in multiple 1.44mB files
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09:17 < sibiria> lavaball: wanna trade some cool FILE_ID.DIZs with me?
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09:21 < lavaball> sibiria, not at the moment. but just out of curiosity, how many do you have?
09:21 < lavaball> quick! before the topic police wakes up, have you played bioforge?
09:22 < sibiria> in the 90s i used to be what was called an "elite trader", slinging warez between BBSes all day after school. i have practically an infinite supply of FILE_ID.DIZs
09:23 < sibiria> never played bioforge
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09:24 < lavaball> like stocks?
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09:24 < sibiria> no, pirated software
09:24 < lavaball> and they didn't kill you when you got out?
09:25 < sibiria> no, little computer people are thankfully harmless. mostly
09:25 < lavaball> so is this that pirate bay stuff i keep hearing about?
09:26 < sibiria> it's the precursor, from before the public had access to the internet
09:26 < IcePic> -"I have emailed all the file_id.diz's to antarctica, and if you kill me they will be released"
09:26 < sibiria> back when we were stuck with modem and BBSes
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09:26 < sibiria> it was the worst of times, and it was the best of time
09:26 < sibiria> s
09:27 < lavaball> so does this still exist or is it just pirate bay now/
09:27 < sibiria> BBSes still exist, but they are just a niche these days
09:27 < lavaball> what is this bbs? bitborent?
09:27 < sibiria> bulletin board system
09:28 < sibiria> youtube will educate you aptly
09:28 < lavaball> liek http?
09:28 < sibiria> more like telnet, but over the phoneline
09:28 < lavaball> that is really old though.
09:28 < sibiria> the 90s are really old
09:28 < gsora> 40 years old even!
09:29 < zelest> 40?! holy heck that's old
09:29 < gsora> or maybe around 30? my math is failing me :^)
09:29 < sibiria> go back to the retirement home, grandpa!1
09:29 < lavaball> at least you can still do the smilies.
09:29 < gsora> what matters the most i would say
09:29 < lavaball> i hate them. but i'm not gonna stop you.
09:30 < lavaball> anyway, i always wondered where this pirate bay got all the stuff from. 
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09:30 < lavaball> thanks for explaining.
09:30 < sibiria> from the same people who ran BBSes back in the day
09:30 < lavaball> what are they running now?
09:30 < sibiria> invite-only FTP servers and torrent trackers
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09:31 < lavaball> but isn't ftp bad? i keep hearing it's outdated  and not secure.
09:31 < gsora> the private tracker scene is huge
09:31 < lavaball> private tracker? i don't even know what that is.
09:32 < gsora> an invite-only bittorrent tracker
09:32 < sibiria> the few still around mostly use FTPS. though it did take a curiously long time for those people to actually move on from plani unencrypted FTP
09:32 < lavaball> so why didn't the fbi get them all?
09:32 < sibiria> they're working on it!
09:32 < lavaball> well, now it's encrypted. they should have done that when it wasn't.
09:32 < zelest> What was that cool FTP hack called?
09:32 < zelest> XFP?
09:33 < sibiria> flashfxp
09:33 < zelest> fxp!
09:33 < lavaball> you mean fxp. 
09:33 < quinq> Yeaf, FXP
09:33 < lavaball> you don't need windows software to do that. lftp does it fine. and vsftpd supports it too.
09:33 < zelest> Ah yeah!
09:33 < zelest> that was cool
09:33 < quinq> server to server
09:33 < sibiria> that saw some use for its server-to-server feature
09:34 < zelest> was it a server-to-server originally though?
09:35 < zelest> didn't it use some sort of hack with passive ftp? stating the other servers IP or so
09:35 < quinq> That's how I've always known it, but I'm not an FXP historian
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09:35 < sibiria> can't entirely recall, i got out of the "warez scene" years before fxp became a thing
09:35 < lavaball> quinq, thank you for your input.
09:36 < quinq> Yeah lavaball, try it, it's handy as it also supports a lot of other compression formats that you might need
09:36 < lavaball> why did you get out?
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09:38 < sibiria> mainly because i started college and new interests claimed more time
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09:38 < lavaball> how can i get in? i was always too poor for stocks, maybe the trade is for me.
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09:40 < IcePic> lavaball: ftp outdated <- it is older than tcp/ip even, if you want a scale on how old the design is
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09:42 < lavaball> so is binary. we are still using that too. 
09:43 < IcePic> except we skipped 9bit chars, 7bit ascii, ebcdic and other bad binary formats 
09:43 < lavaball> yes yes. everybody keeps telling me ftp is bad. mentioned that earlier.
09:43 < IcePic> you can't get away from the fact that a single bit is the least piece of information
09:43 < lavaball> it's not like i want to marry it.
09:44 < lavaball> anyway, i'll get back to all of you later. thanks for explaining all this. 
09:44 < IcePic> no, marry young protocols
09:45 < pony> hi
09:45 < Ellenor> my goal is to use music and software to maximise misery and suffering
09:46 < quinq> Yours or the other's?
09:47 < Ellenor> Yes.
09:47 < quinq> Both?
09:48 < Ellenor> Yes.
09:48 < sibiria> an admirable goal
09:49 < Ellenor> o fuk
09:52 < zelest> the feeling when "sysclean -a" is empty :D
09:52 < pony> what is sysclean
09:52 < pardis> easy to get that feeling with echo / >/etc/sysclean.ignore
09:53 < quinq> jaja
09:53 < pony> im not seeing it in the manpages
09:53 < quinq> It's a port
09:53 < pony> ohhh
09:53 < quinq> $ wc -l /tmp/clean 3458 /tmp/clean
09:53 < Ellenor> so, in normal people language: a package
09:53 < quinq> meh
09:53 < Ellenor> what'st does it do
09:54 < pardis> the README.md at https://github.com/semarie/sysclean explains what it does
09:54 < quinq> Ellenor, it's a port, that is also distributed as a package
09:54 < Ellenor> oh this https://github.com/semarie/sysclean/
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10:45 < lavaball> Ellenor, so, how about that suffering. what's your plan?
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10:52 < Ellenor> generate optimally awful music
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11:02 < myappie> Ellenor: wanna collab? im too exhausted to work on normal stuff
11:03 < Ellenor> myappie: idk
11:03 < Ellenor> i might just be trolling
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11:29 < myappie> Ellenor: im making an openbsd tiktok account and I want YOUR music on it
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11:33 < martian67> myappie:  do not use openbsd trademarks without permission
11:34 < martian67> that is do not pretend to represent the project
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11:36 < myappie> yeah that i must be weary of
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11:36 < myappie> username: openbsd_fan_account?
11:36 < martian67> i think thats probly fine
11:37 < myappie> One sec
11:38 < Ellenor> myappie: don't do it
11:39 < myappie> Ellenor: Relax!
11:40 < myappie> I'm just gonna dance a little on the kitchen floor
11:40 < myappie> No I'm exploring how future OpenBSD TV ads could look like
11:45 < myappie> Or if everyone who hosts an OpenBSD-related vid on YouTube could place these in the intro
11:46 < Ellenor> tiktok is awful
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11:52 < myappie> You'll still sign up to support this account right?
11:52  * myappie uploading...
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12:00 < myappie> https://www.tiktok.com/@openbsd_fan_club/video/7222985728400067867
12:00 < lavaball> Ellenor, you using openbsd to do that?
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12:01 < Ellenor> No.
12:01 < Ellenor> I don't use TikTok.
12:01 < Ellenor> I never will.
12:02 < Ellenor> I've dabbled in openbsd.
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12:10 < renaud> like if OpenBSD needed a TikTok account
12:10 < Ellenor> OpenBSD users typically wouldn't be created out of TikTokians
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12:14 < myappie> It's just a website though (and really well designed)
12:14 < myappie> Doesn't matter who you are, you'll get tons of views regardless
12:14 < myappie> renaud: We could use more young people though ;)
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12:15 < quinq> Yeah, the only misdesign there is that it tries to having an html engine rendering videos
12:15 < quinq> But who cares nowadays
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12:17 < renaud> let's be honest, if you use TikTok, you are unlikely to use OpenBSD
12:17 < myappie> lol
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12:19 < anexit> join #juniper
12:19 < anexit> sorry
12:19 < pardis> too late, we know you're a traitor now
12:19 < anexit> haha
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12:22 < lavaball> renaud, i could say the same about phones, cars, credit cards ... seems i'm the only one who is taking things seriously.
12:22 < renaud> you don't need to be that much paranoïd 
12:22 < lavaball> obviously i mean the smart versions.
12:22 < renaud> besaides, what is wrong in cars (I mean real ones)
12:23 < lavaball> depends on the car. the newer ones all come with tracking devices. it's mandatory in germany these days even.
12:23 < anexit> Is there a way to tell why a voip phone is getting a datavlan when it should be on it's own vlan like the other phones?  I wonder if my vlan interface on openbsd is messed up.  This is what I have in my hostname.vlan20 https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?adc31e06dcd4d3c3#q/gGFR2ot7ZqkMs7AzNh99yu6/Tuq1XXNYQ3twR6aY4=
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12:23 < lavaball> anyway, i once dateda girl who had a dog. and she explained to me, her dog has a chip in his neck so you can identify him. well, i'm not one of those. so i don't need a phone which only works when you know where it is all time.
12:24 < renaud> lavaball: my car was built in 1963, Am I safe?
12:24 < lavaball> that depends. do you have one of those little cell phone mounting thingies for the dash board? if so, then probably not.
12:25 < renaud> there is a mandatory tracking device inside, but, for example, in my Mercedes, I never allowed Mercedes to track my position.
12:25 < anexit> Here is my dhcpd.conf
12:25 < anexit> https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?e8a06c4c85783f1d#SIBPwWU8je26za6NsI4p7X9m0pGsqGt8ua2NHU36pfo=
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12:26 < lavaball> you never allowed? well then we are all safe. the windows users never allowed microsoft to track them either. 
12:26 < lavaball> who in his right mind allows anyone to track them? 
12:27 < lavaball> unless you have some weird domination thing going on. i've heard about that. 
12:27 < lavaball> which brings me back to the dog ...
12:27 < renaud> except, the law mandates them to ask you if you consent tracking your position. It's only mandatory in case of an accident, where the car sends the data
12:28 < lavaball> oh, the law? i've heard of lots of laws. free speech, right to bear arms, privacy, all that. do you wanna go through the list or did you pay attention the last few years?
12:28 < lavaball> is it bear arms? bare i think bear, right?
12:28 < renaud> most people consent to the tracking in their cars so they can know the position. But Mercedes asks you if you consent. If you don't, they legally haven't the right to track the position. ANd I doubt they would go in the way to track you without consent. For MS/META/GOOGLE, that's another story
12:29 < renaud> there are some brands you could trust, and some you never should like Tesla, but they don't make cars, just game consoles which were unfortunately fitted with wheels
12:29 < lavaball> most people just accept it and don't even know they can say no.
12:29 < lumidify> lavaball: I'm pretty sure you're allowed to have bare arms as well.
12:30 < lavaball> lumidify, i'm on my way there. just the hair i probably won't manage.
12:30 < lumidify> :P
12:30 < renaud> lavaball: when you configure mercedesme, they ask you what you consent, but, of course, there is a big button "accept all"
12:31 < lavaball> mercedesme? oh is that the open source software running on that open source hardware? well, thank you! now i can sleep better.
12:31 < sibiria> nobody ever consented, nor were anyone ever asked, regarding cellular operators logging mobile device beaconing data for years
12:31 < lavaball> i heard the german car manufacturers aren't allowed to trick the co2 test stands. so i guess we are safe there as well.
12:32 < renaud> yes, I don't understand how they didn't get caught faster, it was very obvious they were cheating
12:32 < lavaball> i don't have a car. i wouldn't know anything about that.
12:33 < sibiria> on 2G it mattered less, but since 3G every european network operator (with very few exceptions) asks phones to "pong" back about once or twice a minute
12:33 < renaud> like, if you put your cxar is "sport" mode, do you really think it has the same CO2 production as the normal mode which is constantly reset at start
12:33 < renaud> s/cxar is/car in/
12:34 < lavaball> there is a sport mode?
12:34 < lavaball> what am i wokring out for then?
12:34 < lavaball> i didn't know your car can do that for you as weell.
12:34 < sibiria> to look good in your consentual mercedes
12:34 < IcePic> my EV has a sport mode!
12:35 < lavaball> ev? electronic?
12:35 < IcePic> I think it emits the same amouts of CO2 
12:35 < sibiria> lavaball: speaking of tracking and breach of privacy, i bought that intel-ladened^Wpowered odroid h3 that you and me were so totally planning to do together. i just went ahead with it after you dumped me
12:35 < renaud> if you are in Germany, that's a lot of CO2 since they are now running on coal instead of nuclear
12:35 < sibiria> you're missing out
12:36 < IcePic> renaud: I'll try to make a point of not charging it using german electrons.
12:36 < lavaball> now that i know that you were part of the mob i'm careful when it comes to interacting with your and your project.
12:36 < lavaball> s
12:36 < lavaball> renaud, you don't haev to tell me. i have 9 of my degrees here. about 48 of yours depending on your position.
12:36 < IcePic> I heard "the mob" was really good at twisting your arm64 if you don't pay up
12:36 < lavaball> hahahaha
12:36 < lavaball> nice.
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12:37 < lavaball> actually, talking about temperature. any outdoor camping people around? 
12:38 < renaud> ask Theo
12:39  * IcePic is mostly camping in 3D FPS games with the sniper rifle.
12:39 < IcePic> so that would be an "indoor camper"
12:39 < lavaball> that's why i said outdoor. yes.
12:40 < renaud> you can use a laptop and go outside
12:43 < lavaball> judging by your educated answers i'm guessing no campers here.
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12:43 < lavaball> also icepic, quake team fortress?
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12:46 < anexit> lavaball: last time I was camping I dug a hole layed logs over the hole and put a tarp over it... sounded like a good shelter until it filled with water from all the rain.
12:46 < lavaball> nice.
12:46 < lavaball> i'm more interested in how you not get night sweats when you sleep in the cold outside.
12:47 < lavaball> if i have 13 degrees and above i'm all good. when i'm below that i get them occassional. right now i'm at 9. which means i wake up in your good shelter.
12:47 < anexit> Need a cooler bed
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12:48 < anexit> Deer will sleep in a wetland because the floor is cooler.  If they sleep on higher ground the fir is so inulated that they sweat and will freeze.
12:49 < phy1729> This doesn't seem particularly topical 
12:49 < lavaball> i'm not hairy at all. i don't think this applies to me.
12:49 < lavaball> OH!!! the topic police!
12:49 < lavaball> i missed you.
12:49 < lavaball> welcome back!
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14:01 < nij-> I'm back again :/ So I had openbsd installed. After logging in, pinging openbsd.org gives: signature mismatch from 199.185.178.80: icmp_seq=0
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14:01 < nij-> However, `pkg_add vim` worked nicely. I'm not sure if the internet is working well.
14:01 < nij-> I'm on mac M2 QEMU. Not sure if this is relevant.
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14:02 < sibiria> shouldn't be relevant if it's qemu, but could be. maybe your virtio device config isn't 100% fitting
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14:02 < sibiria> if pkg_add gives green light then everything is ok as far as it's concerned, because it does checksumming and signature verifications
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14:04 < thrig> and icmp has some pretty sketchy code
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14:08 < thrig> so it could be something like raw packets are borked because alignment or corruption due to who knows what
14:09 < sibiria> qemu will relay that ping more or less as-is. does the same happen when you ping from the macOS host?
14:10 < sibiria> that might help you narrow down whether the issue is qemu and the inside, or the host/outside
14:11 < pardis> are you using -netdev user with qemu, by any chance?
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14:11 < pardis> https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking says "if you are using the (default) SLiRP user networking, then ping (ICMP) will not work, though TCP and UDP will. Don't try to use ping to test your QEMU network configuration!"
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14:11 < thrig> ... or it's documented(TM) ...
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14:45 < anexit> anyone know how to renew a openvpn server.crt?
14:45 < anexit> what a pain in the balls
14:45 < anexit> lol
14:46 < thrig> I poked tepidly at openvpn until wireguard came along
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14:47 < sibiria> did your ca expire as well?
14:48 < sibiria> if the ca expired you have a bit of a mess on your hands. if not then you can just renew the server cert without need to update clients
14:48 < anexit> sibiria.. no idea
14:48 < sibiria> openssl x509 -in ca.crt -noout -text
14:49 < thrig> or -dates
14:49 < anexit> Not Before: May  1 14:40:38 2020 GMT Not After : Apr 29 14:40:38 2030 GMT
14:50 < anexit> that looks okay
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14:51 < anexit> It's says CN=server which is the crt
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14:51 < anexit> I think
14:52 < sibiria> if you did it the old-fashioned way with just openssl you can simple make a new csr and sign it
14:52 < sibiria> simply*
14:53 < sibiria> if you used easyrsa then it should have a convenience function for doing all of it in one go
14:53 < anexit> sibiria: I was using easy-rsa which that tells..Certificate expires in more than 30 days.
14:53 < anexit> Renewal not allowed.
14:53 < anexit> lol
14:54 < thrig> maybe use harder-rsa?
14:54 < beastie> they do that to avoid people renewing their certificates so often.
14:54 < pardis> why do you think you need to renew the certificate if it expires in more than 30 days?
14:54 < sibiria> pretty sure that grace period is tunable with easyrsa
14:55 < beastie> IMHO 30 days is a very short period.  but it depends on how long you renew the certificates you sign.
14:55 < sibiria> if not then you can still revoke the cert and make a new one
14:55 < anexit> hmm
14:55 < anexit> looks like the paths do not go to issued though
14:55 < beastie> grace period doesn't work if your certificate is over... it just doesn't work.
14:55  * eea is greatful for letsencrypt simplicity
14:56 < thrig> dunno, I've seen folks horribly break their lettuce encrypt
14:56 < beastie> it should be better to allow three months before it expires the renewal and no grace period.
14:56 < anexit> so how can I make a new one?  I think this was done with openssl
14:56 < sibiria> you do it with easyrsa since that's your infra
14:56 < sibiria> you revoke the cert, then make a new one
14:56 < anexit> https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?8b4c181fb03bbef3#jrlfrMMSqTHpUMlTQ378+uRODUJe8YIU3bX178Kg0pU=
14:56 < sibiria> but, as i said, i'm sure you can enforce a renewal even if expiry is beyond 30 days. i'm 100% certain it's a tunable period
14:58 < beastie> of course... and even later you can renew it... you just have to issue a new certificate request and let the CA to sign it, the procedure is the same... but during the grace period you cannot use your certificate.
14:58 < beastie> nobody accepts it :)
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14:59 < beastie> you can emit your own certificates and act as a CA.
14:59 < anexit> okay I revoked it
14:59 < beastie> (this is what happens when you issue a self signed certificate to test your server)
14:59 < beastie> anexit: how did you revoke it?
15:00 < anexit> ./easy-rsa revoke server
15:00 < sibiria> also don't forget to generate a new crl
15:00 < beastie> now your easy-rsa is the only source that can inform anybody trying to check your certificate that it has been revoked.
15:01 < anexit> this is so weird
15:01 < pardis> I still don't get what the objective is here
15:01 < pardis> what is the point of renewing a cert that expires in 7 years?
15:02 < pardis> do you have reason to believe your key has been compromised?
15:02 < beastie> when you revoke a certificate you create a (c)ertificate (r)evokation (l)ist, and you sign that revokation list with your certificate, to demonstrate everybody that the CRL reflects the intention of the certificate owner.
15:02 < beastie> but the, you have to distribute it, or nobody will know that your certificate has been revoked.
15:03 < beastie> who did create your certificate?
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15:04 < anexit> Like how do I know what CA easy-rsa is using?
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15:04 < beastie> anexit: probably it's using itself as a CA.
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15:09 < anexit> I see
15:09 < anexit> well I got it working again
15:09 < anexit> 200 clients are now happy
15:09 < anexit> what a crock
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15:24 < thrig> 300 clients go elsewhere
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15:52 < anexit> lol
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17:22 < Xeroine> Could it be possible that issues like these https://bpa.st/4RLSM could be caused by the root filesystem being on one partition in the BSD slice? I'm used to Linux so I thought it wouldn't be a big deal if I just used a single partition but I have several issues and I'm wondering if they could be caused by the security features of OpenBSD not working properly one a single partition,  could this be it?
17:23 < Xeroine> I'm on arm64 raspberry pi 4b by the way
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17:24 < pardis> I don't see any obvious sign of filesystem problems
17:24 < pardis> what does 'echo $?' say after one of the "nothing happened" attempts?
17:24 < pardis> and is there anything relevant in dmesg?
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17:27 < oldlaptop> (one-giant-/ is still a bad idea, but really shouldn't be causing *that*)
17:27 < Xeroine> I've looked through /var/log and dmesg and found nothing relevant
17:28 < pardis> does this system have any long-running daemons/jobs? memory contention could conceivably cause this
17:28 < pardis> though I would expect you'd notice the system is slow if it's contended enough for that to happen
17:29 < oldlaptop> I would expect an OOM to prevent ssh connections from going through, ordinarily
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17:29 < Xeroine> I don't think this is a issue with resources because this I haven't installed anything from ports and the only daemon I've enabled that wasn't there by default is sshd
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17:29 < Xeroine> can't get the man page thing to not work to check the return right now
17:31 < Xeroine> also sometimes this happens as well https://bpa.st/SHUOO hasn't happened to any other OS I've used on the rpi,  in sshd_config I only changed the settings to allow root login,  password login and set listen address and port
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17:34 < Xeroine> here's systat and `rcctl ls on` https://bpa.st/5DJB2
17:35 < Xeroine> it looks like there's enough free memory
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18:11 < xse> Xeroine: never experienced that tho i use the partitions, pi 4b rev1.5 on today's snapshot here https://0x0.st/H8fQ.txt
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18:14 < Xeroine> xse: thanks for the info,  dunno,  I guess I will just try reinstalling with the default partition layout it suggests
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18:50 < finkfox> wondering, is there a way to autoconfigure ethernet device upon connecting the cable? (e.g. calling sh /etc/netstart "device" I guess)
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18:52 < jcs> see ifstated(8)
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18:55 < finkfox_> would hotplugd be a solution for this?
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18:56 < jcs> no, because the device is not disappearing or reappearing when you plug the cable in, which is what hotplug monitors
18:56 < jcs> it would only change its media state, which is what ifstated watches
18:57 < finkfox_> jcs: true
18:57 < finkfox_> so it always required a manual "sh /etc/netstart"?
18:57 < finkfox_> requires
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20:23 < villehardouin> Help I can't login to user. Getting 'login incorrect' error in both console and desktop. When I type 'passwd [user]' I get 'unable to get login class for user [user]'?
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20:24 < pardis> what does 'getent passwd [user]' say?
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20:25 < villehardouin> It says user:*:1000:1000:user:/home/user:/bin/ksh
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20:26 < villehardouin> I was trying to install xfce and ran the commands on this page https://www.birkey.co/2022-01-29-openbsd-7-xfce-desktop.html
20:26 < villehardouin> Step three
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20:28 < pardis> and 'id -c [user]'?
20:28 < pardis> strange that the user would exist but passwd(1) would fail to find a login class
20:29 < villehardouin> It says gnome because that's what I had but I went to switch to xfce
20:29 < thrig> maybe they broke something we haven't been told about yet
20:29 < villehardouin> I guess I have to change that
20:29 < pardis> wait, what?
20:29 < pardis> do you have a gnome login class in /etc/login.conf?
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20:31 < pardis> if not, why did you set your user's login class to gnome?
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20:35 < villehardouin> pardis Sorry I fixed it. When I initially installed gnome I had to set login class to gnome. I just had to change it for XFCE
20:36 < pardis> but there is no package that provides a gnome login class
20:36 < pardis> glad to hear it's working now, anyway
20:36 < villehardouin> I was following this https://irondesign.dev/gnomeopenbsd.html
20:38 < pardis> that looks wrong, since the gdm package provides its own login class config for gdm
20:38 < pardis> but anyway, if you removed the gnome login class from /etc/login.conf at some point, that would explain it
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20:40 < thrig> or sysmerge murderized it
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20:55 < villehardouin> I also broke my firefox somehow. I can't navigate to any websites. It just puts a firefox.core file in my home directory
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20:58 < villehardouin> WTF is going on???
21:00 < gman999> more details would be helpful villehardouin
21:00 < gman999> running snapshots or stable
21:00 < gman999> did you upgrade pkgs
21:00 < gman999> did you try starting with another profile?
21:01 < gman999> as in /usr/local/bin/firefox -ProfileManager
21:03 < villehardouin> Yes I created a new profile. I can't open any pages including about:
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21:08 < villehardouin> I also removed my .mozilla/firefox folder
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21:12 < villehardouin> gman999 It's the same issue as this guy https://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=12317
21:13 < villehardouin> I tried adding my user to staff but it didn't work
21:14 < gman999> `user info $username`
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21:24 < fro> what does that mean exactly?
21:25 < fro> were you not able to add your user to staff?
21:25 < fro> or did adding your user to staff not fix the problem?
21:25 < villehardouin> It didn't fix the problem I meant
21:25 < fro> okay
21:26 < gman999> did you try another ff profile as i said ^
21:26 < gman999> i run on snapshots with firefox-esr.. so i can't replicate
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21:29 < concrete_houses> can you run e commerce on openbsd routers?
21:29 < concrete_houses> fast enough?
21:30 < concrete_houses> werc.cat-v.org
21:30 < thrig> why would a router also be doing whatever ecommerce means
21:30 < morena> so called e router
21:31 < villehardouin> this dude trading stonks on his router :nerd:
21:33 < gman999> you can do lots of things iwth openbsd routers
21:33 < gman999> you fixed villehardouin
21:33 < gman999> ?
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21:52 < villehardouin> gman999 Yeah I think so. Had no idea what the problem was.
21:58 < morena> obviously firefox
21:59 < morena> it's just matter of time when it finally crash without possible make it run again
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22:00 < myappie> damn, i'm getting 99% score at google page insights openbsd + solidus.io (rails)
22:00 < morena> it crashed for me while wanted turn off fingerprint in about:config, had to do it editing some pref in profile file
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22:53 < mr_ab> I am likely doing something incredibly ignorant.  I was trying to install tor via ports, but it just gives me no output/no error/nothing when I do make/make install/etc within net/tor.  I haven't used OpenBSD in a long time, just kind of slowly dipping my toes back in.  
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22:55 < mr_ab> Any suggestions on how I can perhaps get some more details as to what's going wrong?
22:55 < fro> why are you using ports and not packages
22:56 < mr_ab> I suppose I could use packages, ... no real reason ... you don't get a warm & fuzzy feeling compiling things yourself? =)
22:56 < fro> no
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23:33 < nij-> Thanks folks!
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23:33 < nij-> If not using PING, what are some other ways to test my network?
23:33 < thrig> define test
23:35 < nij-> Just want to make sure I'm connected to the internet. Normally I'd just fire up a browser and see if I can visits sites I like. But it's just installed so there's not much yet.
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23:41 < thrig> you could ftp some URL, or make a DNS query
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23:51 < ew0> Hi, any network afficionados about? I've set up wireguard (seems to work fine) but I can't ssh into it (server). Config here: https://bpa.st/raw/BNNZ2 
23:51 < ew0> Not sure if it's a pf rule, I also tried adding rdomain1 to the listening addresses for sshd
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