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00:49 < morena> I think yesterday firefox become AI
00:49 < morena> I experience weird crap
00:49 < morena> not sure if it's technically even possible
00:50 < morena> I closed it, even deleted nonsense in it's cache and while nothing else was running I opened it again, just html site and it like spoke to me ;/
00:50 < morena> is there something like text to speech or something without extension what somehow can turned on?
00:51 < morena> or that previously played video somehow some part was in memory and after opening it play a part?
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01:03 < morena> so somebody should check firefox code during this weekend ;/
01:13 < thrig> looks okay... /me checks it with the usual mark, "big spolskyware"
01:13 < morena> thank you for your time ;/
01:13 < morena> I feel better
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01:15 < morena> for short time it reminds me 25 years ago, when internet explorer practically open randomly whenever it wish whatever it wish with all these fancy toolbars
01:16 < morena> but that speech is still mistery to me
01:16 < morena> as what I think it's impossible to run another instance of firefox while other is running without these dbus and similar things
01:17 < morena> it would complain if previously closed instance would still running
01:18 < morena> but this will remain one of those mysteries like when people saw ufo
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01:19 < morena> or maybe more close to "died suddenly" when everyone knows but officialy it's a mystery
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06:35 < Voyager_MP>  10   #tput clear cup 1 0   9   tput cup 1 0   8   printf "%-45.45s\r" "$_l"   7   tput cup 1 45   6   printf "%100.310s" "$_r"   5   sleep 1 
06:36 < Voyager_MP> can anyone explain that tput stuff ? 
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06:52 < rsjw> Voyager_MP: did you join multiple lines there?
06:53 < Voyager_MP> it's just a copy paste mistake 
06:53 < Voyager_MP> i figured it out myself, thx anyway
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07:50 < renaud> weird, I have a website based on joomla which gives an error after the update to php 8.1.18
07:51 < renaud> all other sites just work fine
07:52 < renaud> upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream
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08:09 < renaud> child 45620 exited on signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
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08:35 < renaud> no issue with php 8.0
08:35 < renaud> strange
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09:43 < orwell> Moin! Is it possible to filter for a string or regex in packages with pf?
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09:43 < Voyager_MP> ne, relayd kann das 
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09:48 < orwell> Right, thanks.
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09:48 < orwell> How can I make sure that a homedir is created when people log in via ldap?
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09:49 < luna> https://www.bsdnow.tv/503
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09:53 < IcePic> orwell: there is no pam_homedir.so or so for obsd
09:54 < IcePic> closest would be something like have amd(8) automount an nfs-v2 share in /home when user X wants /home/X 
09:54 < IcePic> but best option would probably be "have the automation framework in use make homedirs on all obsd target hosts"
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10:00 < orwell> ok, thx
10:02 < sibiria> you can run stuff off of login.conf
10:03 < sibiria> may or may not be a viable solution
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10:12 < IcePic> I think this (creating homedirs) is a corner case in the regard that if you have one or two hosts, you won't be doing ldap anyhow for those two. If you have 100s of hosts, it is almost assumed there is some automation thing you could run (puppet,ansible,chef,cfengine,rdist) to keep homedirs correctly created, so pam_homedir is in a weird middle ground where you want some automation, but not all
10:13 < sibiria> i would also offload it to whatever component is doing the "on-boarding" of new users
10:13 < sibiria> and let something like ansible or so, in the simplest form, set up user framework on relevant machines
10:13 < IcePic> even if crontab runs "sync-user-dirs.sh" every 30 minutes, that doesn't sound too awful for a new hire in a company to hear: "this is your laptop and it is prepared for you, in <30 mins, you will be able to log in on all servers ... "
10:14 < sibiria> but do look into login.conf's "program" capability, if you still need a way to have it done locally 
10:14 < sibiria> there should be at least one method which is generic enough to be abused for this purpose
10:14 < IcePic> since the list of "all servers" still need to have gotten the whole ldap-thing installed anyway, so that list of machines still need to be in a controlled env 
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12:50 < Voyager_MP> [   109.579] (EE) VESA(0): Cannot read int vect 
12:51 < Voyager_MP> Anyone ? Im trying to start X und 7.3 (proxmox vm) 
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13:23 < engler> Did someone here encountered any issues while upgrading from 7.2 to 7.3?
13:23 < renaud> not really
13:24  * engler runs sysupgrade(8)
13:24 < Voyager_MP> puppet causes some issues 
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13:25 < renaud> did you read https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade73.html ?
13:25 < renaud> there are notes about puppet
13:25 < zelest> unrelated reminder, SpaceX launching Starship in 3 minute :)
13:25 < renaud> is Elon inside?
13:25 < engler> renaud: yes! I do not any of these packages installed, fortunately :-)
13:25 < Voyager_MP> yes I know, from 5 to 6 switch 
13:26 < thrig> send him to outer space, to find, another race ...
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13:27 < renaud> put Zuckerberg with him
13:29 < renaud> is that a starship? looks more like a rocket
13:29 < phy1729> Doesn't seem particularly topical
13:29 < renaud> indeed
13:29 < renaud> do you know if that starship runs OpenBSD?
13:30 < zelest> Doubt it :P
13:30 < renaud> shhht, that was to stay on topic :)
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15:57 < lowden> I am looking for ral-rt2860 firmware (https://man.openbsd.org/ral.4) in the iso where can i find it ?
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15:58 < thrig> fw_update generally is used
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16:00 < lowden> i am on linux currently and need that driver for 9front
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16:06 < sibiria> http://firmware.openbsd.org/
16:07 < pardis> no, it's not there
16:07 < pardis> that firmware is in the base set
16:07 < pardis> unpack base73.tgz and it will be under etc/firmware/
16:08 < lowden> it was merged into the kernel as its open source was said back in irc i think
16:08 < pardis> it's not in the kernel
16:10 < lowden> pardis: that was the location, thanks
16:10 < pardis> it's also not open-source, but it is freely licensed and thus suitable for base
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16:24 < vortexx> https://www.pcengines.ch/eol.htm ugh :/ Get your orders in for the APU6 if you haven't already...
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16:33 < vortexx> I've always wondered this, can you do vrrp/carp with two dynamic default routes from uplinks (2 ISPs) ?
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16:43 < IcePic> vortexx: sounds like you should be able to. It will take some scripting, and a switch on the outside that gets traffic from both ISPs
16:43 < IcePic> which may or may not lessen the redundancy of the setup to hoping the switch stays up instead of they fw
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18:54 < Xeroine> I have 2 qemu vms that I use to debug what might have caused issues on bare metal install I did previously.  One of the vms is using the automatic partition/slice layout during the install and the on the 2nd I created a single root partition to put everything on (I understand this is worse).  Anyways,  the issue is that I'm getting kernel relink errors in both vms but it seems to happen more often on the one with the single root partition,  additionally 
18:54 < Xeroine> the single root one gets "Killed" messages when booting which I can see in my stdout thanks to qemu's -serial mon:stdio.  I can't exactly reproduce the issue every time on exactly the same inputs,  like for example,  `halt -p` and `reboot` sometimes also gives kernel relink errors.  The only thing I can replicate is the single root partition one recieving either "Killed" somewhere in the boot messages (which doesn't show up in dmesg by the way) or a "
18:54 < Xeroine> reorder_kernel: failed".  I don't know what to do,  can anyone give some advice on what might be causing this? 
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18:56 < Xeroine> Here's a paste with my qemu run script and output from my stdout,  dmesg and /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC.MP/relink.log on the single root partition vm
18:56 < Xeroine> https://bpa.st/Y6QSO
18:57 < Xeroine> I know this is kind of long but maybe someone has some clues,  I don't know
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19:05 < Xeroine> oh I said relink a lot,  I meant reorder,  if there's any difference even.
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19:11 < Xeroine> I'm not sure if this even matters a lot.  From what I understand the kernel gets relinked/reordered so I get a unique kernel every time which is supposed to be more secure but I don't know how it's booting if this fails.  I guess it uses the non-unique one?
19:11 < pardis> yes, if it fails the old kernel just stays where it is
19:12 < pardis> but based on your paste, the cause of this is the same as the other issues you're seeing, that processes are getting killed
19:12 < thrig> maybe the new /bsd is put in place atomically, maybe not
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19:12 < pardis> actually, a thought occurs, have you looked at dmesg?
19:12 < pardis> you looked at /var/log/messages before, but I just realised that if processes are being killed, then maybe syslogd is too
19:13 < pardis> so dmesg may not end up in /var/log/messages as it normally would
19:13 < vortexx> IcePic: thanks!
19:14 < pardis> looked at dmesg after the problem occurs, I mean, so not the boot dmesg you have there
19:14 < pardis> it is very strange for processes to just be killed randomly with nothing in dmesg and no resource contention
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19:22 < Xeroine> pardis: I looked at dmesg,  yeah.  I put it and stdout boot messages in that paste.  I don't understand what you meant by "looked at dmesg after the problem occurs, I mean, so not the boot dmesg you have there" because those dmesg messages are what I got after I ran `dmesg` after I got the "Killed" messages
19:23 < Xeroine> did you mean I should check something else? sorry if I misunderstood.
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19:27 < Xeroine> pardis: I'm also getting "Killed" sometimes while executing something in the shell.  I had this same issue previously when I tried installing on the raspberry pi (I don't remember if there were reorder_kernel errors as well in dmesg back then)
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19:27 < pardis> no, I didn't mean something else, it just wasn't clear that that dmesg was from after you had some processes killed
19:28 < pardis> this is a very strange problem but it seems likely to have something to do with your setup, since nobody else has reported problems like this
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19:31 < Xeroine> pardis: could it be this is somehow caused by the raspberry pi hardware even if tested in qemu?
19:31 < pardis> I have no idea
19:31 < pardis> are you sure the hardware is fine?
19:31 < pardis> have you tried another OS on it?
19:31 < pardis> have you run memtest?
19:32 < Xeroine> well yeah,  raspberry pi os works fine,  haven't tried memtest.  I'll try it out.
19:32 < pardis> I'm actually not sure if there is a memtest for the pi
19:32 < pardis> are you sure you're using the correct dtb? I would expect the wrong dtb to cause boot failure rather than this symptom, but I'm not exactly an ARM expert
19:33 < thrig> you could write something like memtest to write some pattern then hopefully read the same thing back
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19:35 < Xeroine> pardis: I didn't deal with dtbs at all
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19:36 < Xeroine> I just used the aavmf from a package on raspberry pi repos and ran the installer
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19:40 < Xeroine> thrig: wouldn't I need to somehow implement the program so it's freestanding to test the entire memory so I'm not writing the memory used by the OS? seems very complicated
19:40 < Xeroine> anyways I think I'm gonna give up on OpenBSD,  I have spent insane amounts of time trying to understand what could be causing this
19:41 < Xeroine> thanks for the help anyways though
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19:59 < thrig> userland could only test what the kernel doesn't have dibs on, so it would be less perfect than what memtest does
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20:34 < sibiria> Xeroine: you are not forced to relink kernel or reorder libs. you can disable both if you for some reason must
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20:35 < sibiria> that obviously won't solve the root of the problem, but...
20:36 < Xeroine> yeah
20:36 < pardis> another possibility, if you haven't quite given up yet, is to ktrace some programs and see if you can notice a pattern to them getting killed
20:37 < pardis> is it after making a particular syscall, for example?
20:38 < Xeroine> sure,  I'll try that out
20:40 < sibiria> weird thought: try booting the single-core kernel as well
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21:08 < Xeroine> strange,  it stopped happening completely.  IIRC the only thing I did is try a different ARM CPU and then change back to host one but so far nothing's getting killed.
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21:11 < Xeroine> nevermind that was the wrong disk,  the one with the automatic layout
21:11 < pardis> I don't see why the disk layout would make any difference whatsoever
21:12 < Xeroine> I don't know but as soon as I try out the one with only the single root partition I immedietly start getting "Killed" again
21:16 < Xeroine> here's what they look like https://bpa.st/4F3NE
21:18 < sibiria> strange. but the solution seems obvious
21:18 < pardis> ah, your one-big-/ disklabel lacks swap
21:18 < sibiria> oh, you're on 0.5 or 1gb? that's really too little these days
21:19 < sibiria> 1gb is just on the edge
21:19 < pardis> 512M of RAM is fine
21:19 < pardis> I have multiple servers with that much
21:20 < thrig> not everything needs to compile firefox or tensorflow
21:20 < eea> I havebone with 384MB
21:21 < Xeroine> pardis: swap is necessary?
21:21 < sibiria> with 1gb ram and a few default services even turned off, kernel relinking touches swap right after boot. my 1gb pine64 runs into problems regularly these days
21:21 < Xeroine> I thought it's optional
21:21 < pardis> Xeroine: can you try: dd if=/dev/null of=/swap bs=512 seek=524288
21:21 < pardis> and then swapon /swap
21:21 < pardis> see if it stops things getting killed
21:21 < Xeroine> alright
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21:24 < Xeroine> is it supposed to be 48 kilobytes from that command?
21:25 < pardis> that command should produce a 256M file (same as your swap partition on the one that has it)
21:25 < Xeroine> oh
21:25 < pardis> oh, but if you're using du, that shows you the space used on disk, not the file size
21:26 < thrig> or less, if / is now a bit full
21:26 < Xeroine> ah ok
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21:26 < pardis> a sparse file is fine for just testing if this is the problem (but don't leave your system running with a sparse file for swap permanently)
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21:30 < Xeroine> I tried to boot with "swap none /swap sw" in fstab but something still got killed
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21:31 < pardis> those fstab arguments are in the wrong order
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21:31 < pardis> file path comes first, type comes third
21:31 < pardis> you can use swapctl(8) to see if the swap is actually active
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21:31 < Xeroine> oh 
21:32 < Xeroine> it shows up in swapctl -l
21:32 < pardis> ah, then I suppose it did figure out what you meant
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21:33 < Xeroine> you sure it's incorrect though?
21:34 < Xeroine> I guess not
21:34 < pardis> according to fstab(5), it's incorrect
21:34 < Xeroine> how come?
21:34 < pardis> the third field is fs_vfstype, there is no /swap filesystem type
21:35 < Xeroine> oh right
21:35 < sibiria> just do:  /swapfile none swap sw
21:37 < Xeroine> with that it doesn't show up in swapctl
21:39 < Xeroine> anyways the issue isn't with swap anyways so
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21:42 < pardis> what, specifically, got killed?
21:42 < pardis> if you read /etc/rc, block swap devices are attached some time prior to non-block swap devices
21:43 < pardis> so there would be a window during which you wouldn't have swap available and daemons are starting up
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21:44 < Xeroine> this time it showed up like this https://bpa.st/4STQE sometimes it appears as "Killed reordering: ld.so libc libcrypto sshd."
21:44 < pardis> "starting network" comes before non-block swap devices are attached
21:45 < Xeroine> ah
21:45 < Xeroine> but if it's a block device it will be attached first?
21:45 < pardis> yes
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21:45 < pardis> you can see this by searching for swapctl in /etc/rc
21:45 < pardis> the boot process is just a shell script, you can read it
21:45 < thrig> my eyes!
21:46 < Xeroine> ah okay cool
21:47 < Xeroine> I'll try resizing and adding a swap partition then
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21:49 < pardis> things need to be ordered in this way because non-block swap devices cannot be attached until all filesystems are mounted read-write, and some filesystems may be on iSCSI devices, which cannot attach until after the network is up
21:50 < pardis> but please never, ever, ever put swap on an iSCSI device :)
21:50 < sibiria> yeah. do the right thing and put it on nfs instead
21:50 < thrig> or samba
21:51 < epony> "ochi krasnyie" *HCI removable
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22:16 < Xeroine> okay I gotta go to sleep,  thanks again
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