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08:43 < Xeroine> Is it possible to shrink the BSD UFS partition without losing data similar to how ext4 can be shrunk with resize2fs and then recreating the partition with a smaller size?
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08:45 < Xeroine> nevermind,  I guess it's really unsupported
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09:31 < Xeroine> Hey,  I don't know if anyone here remembers but I asked here about advice on how to fix the "Killed" messages I was getting while booting up which caused some other issues while booted
09:31 < Xeroine> I added a swap partition like someone suggested and it's working fine,  no "Killed" messages
09:33 < Xeroine> but why is a swap partition necessary? I had 1GB for RAM set in qemu,  shouldn't that be enough to at least boot properly? I was getting the "Killed" messages most often if not always at the part "reordering: ld.so libc libcrypto sshd"
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09:43 < martian67> 1gb of ram is not enough most likely
09:43 < martian67> you don’t need to swap, but you need more round than that
09:44 < martian67> s/round/ram
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09:51 < quinq> s/more/moar/
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10:10 < Xeroine> ah okay thanks
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13:19 < polarian> I know I will be shot for asking 
13:19 < polarian> but openbsd doesn't appear to be trademarked
13:19 < polarian> I cant find any trademark notices so I assume that means its not trademarked... 
13:19 < polarian> and if not I assume this is due to the fact openbsd doesnt like Intellectual Property?
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13:22 < thrig> or it costs money and there's better things to spend the limited money on
13:24 < sibiria> trademark application isn't costly until you start defending the trademark, but the bigger reason is probably that there's no real point to it
13:27 < sibiria> the project/foundation isn't looking to monetize, no territory to defend
13:28 < pardis> also, trademark laws vary by country and it would be a staggeringly ridiculous waste of time to register a trademark in every country where ftp.openbsd.org is reachable
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15:27 < StellarOrbit> Hello. I installed openbsd 7.3 encrypted and I realized that the installer didn't use the entirety of my drive. I want to reboot so i can get back into the installer, how do I unencrypt the encrypted drive so i can grow the partitions
15:30 < StellarOrbit> I tried with bioctl -c C -l /dev/sd0a softraid0 and it doens't work
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15:37 < sibiria> that's how you open an encrypted device up. i don't know if what you want to do is possible, but if it is you'd have to resize the RAID label on the unencrypted device first, then resize the labels on the encrypted pseudodevice afterwards
15:38 < sibiria> if you run "fdisk sdN", where N is the pseudodevice once mounted, do you see anything suggesting the OpenBSD partition is using all of the space?
15:39 < sibiria> i mean, is the OpenBSD partition's size close to the amount of "usable LBA" indicated by fdisk
15:41 < pardis> "doesn't work" isn't a very detailed problem description
15:41 < pardis> it's also not clear if you mean the softraid partition doesn't use the whole "outer" drive, or if there is just unused space on the "inner" one
15:41 < sibiria> he probably tried that once inside openbsd, which doesn't really help since he has already booted the FDE medium
15:42 < pardis> there are lots of different things that might be meant, yes
15:42 < pardis> would be helpful to get a description of what is meant
15:45 < StellarOrbit> sibiria, sorry for the late reply. I have one openbsd drive and other drives that aren't related so I won't be touching those. I booted into the installer and entered shell and ran the command I listed above and it spat out a generic error I should've taken a photo of it. I know that on openbsd (and linux) that when you create an encrypted drive, it shows as one drive until you unencrypt it and then the decrypted volume shows as 
15:45 < StellarOrbit> a separate drive, so when I unencrypt it, I should just be able to edit the softraid, right? and then fsck it to ensure the changes didn't corrupt anything?
15:47 < sibiria> if it were an unencrypted drive then yes, you can just alter the size of the OpenBSD partition and then alter the sizes of the labels (file systems) and grow them. i don't really know if it's possible with a RAID/crypto partition
15:47 < StellarOrbit> sibiria, I tried it while in the installer. I noticed the issue while I was booted on the system, but I know that I can't make the changes while the drive is mounted, so I booted back in the installer
15:47 < StellarOrbit> sibiria, that's unfortunate. 
15:47 < sibiria> i don't know if it's impossible. i just don't know if it's possible
15:48 < sibiria> if it is, you will have to do it before opening up the encrypted device (bioctl)
15:48 < StellarOrbit> I am kind of curious as to why the installer didn't use the entirety of my drive though
15:48 < pardis> sibiria: that's making an assumption about where the space is unused, which still hasn't been specified
15:49 < sibiria> usually you have "OpenBSD" type partition, and inside all of the regular labels live. now you have RAID -> OpenBSD -> labels
15:49 < sibiria> you will have to start with the RAID partition
15:49 < pardis> unless it's already big enough...
15:49 < sibiria> i already suggested to check with fdisk what he has available on the innermost part
15:49 < sibiria> from there check outwards until confirmed if the RAID partition is the constrained one
15:53 < StellarOrbit> I will work on it another day. Thanks for your help 
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15:53 < renaud> is cdn.openbsd.org also dead for you?
15:54 < renaud> varnish server error
15:54 < pardis> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/ seems to load fine here
15:54 < renaud> indeed, with the full path, it works
15:54 < renaud> but I get an error without /pub
15:55 < pardis> was that ever supposed to work?
15:55 < renaud> also, ftp.fr and ftp.eu are awfully slow at the moment
15:55 < renaud> not sure it ever worked
15:55 < renaud> but giving an error is somewhat strange
15:55 < renaud> a blank page like ftp.eu is nothing, but an error...
15:55 < pardis> the error I get for https://cdn.openbsd.org/OpenBSD/7.3/amd64/ is a 404, which is exactly what I would expect
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15:57 < renaud> but just https://cdn.openbsd.org
15:58 < renaud> without anything besides it
15:58 < sibiria> sounds like the usual path kludge seen on many of the mirrors
15:58 < renaud> that's what I meant by without /pub
15:58 < renaud> I never noticed
15:58 < sibiria> ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub <- no go.   /pub/ <- ok
15:59 < sibiria> etc.
16:00 < sibiria> a bit of an annoyance. directories should be "autocompleted" imo, since it's how the web has worked forever with all other httpds
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17:51 < epony> some web server's default configuration / preference ;-)
17:56 < epony> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryslash
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18:01 < epony> corresponding section in httpd(8) is http://man.openbsd.org/httpd.conf.5#directory
18:05 < epony> not exactly the same granularity, pub is from the FTP epoch and preferred base path for the mirrors HTTP respectively, RSYNC ones are typically without pub/
18:07 < epony> status of OpenBSD mirrors  http://spacehopper.org/mirmon/
18:11 < epony> the mirrors template http://www.openbsd.org/build/mirrors.tmpl and database files http://www.openbsd.org/build/mirrors.dat in plain view for reference
18:12 < epony> UH / UHS fields is what you use typically
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18:12 < epony> http://man.openbsd.org/installurl.5 is "smart" about it
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18:14 < morena> I had somehow always some issue with any mirror I set up outside of cdn.openbsd.org
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18:16 < epony> could be local resolution or something like that
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18:18 < epony> some ISP / broadband CPE (modem/gateway) etc setups have unreliable resolvers and can provide or no resolution, and the CDN ones have low TTL (time-to-live) so refresh again quick the DNS resolution
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18:19 < epony> OpenBSD has included a caching resolver which can fix that kind of problems, but you obviously don't have it running in the installer stage if it's the same machine that runs it otherwise
18:20 < epony> in short: could be local connectivity, test and increase verbosity / troubleshoot as needed
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18:24 < rsjw> for the struct members uio_segflg and uio_rw in uiomove(9), does "the space" refer to buf or the struct uio?
18:24 < epony> a short automated list is also on  http://www.openbsd.org/ftplist
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18:26 < pardis> from context it clearly refers to buf
18:27 < pardis> it makes no sense to set a flag in struct uio to request that data be read into that same struct
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18:28 < pardis> oh wait, you mean the addresses described by struct uio, not the struct uio itself
18:29 < rsjw> yes, the iovec in the struct uio
18:29 < pardis> ah, I think it is the latter, actually
18:29 < pardis> the first paragraph refers to "the kernel-space address pointed to by buf"
18:29 < pardis> so if this is describing something that can be in user space, it must be the iovec
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19:50 < CosmicDJ> https://man.openbsd.org/acme-client.1 "~ * * * * acme-client [...]" isn't it a bit overkill to run acme-client every $random minutes?
20:01 < pardis> it's not like it's a huge burden to do so
20:01 < pardis> almost every time it runs, it will check if certificates need to be updated, find they don't, and stop
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20:08 < eea> i limit acme-client with @daily
20:12 < zmoment> Hi, a question regarding a printer.  I've got a Brother MFC - printer + scanner - that needs the Linux drivers to work.
20:12 < zmoment> Besides being connected via usb, it can work connected to the network, I think through the IPP protocol.
20:13 < Tekk> You may get lucky, you may not. It depends on the actual linux drivers.
20:13 < zmoment> Can the printer work in OpenBSD?
20:13 < Tekk> My brother driver (I don't recall the model off the top of my head) involves actual linux binaries.
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20:14 < zmoment> so, for your type of printer, there's no hope in OpenBSD, right?
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20:14 < Tekk> Nope. Your best bet is to just try and grab the drivers from Brother's site, extract them, and see if they work.
20:14 < Tekk> Or just poke through to see if they have binaries or not.
20:16 < zmoment> Ok, and for the scanner is the same thing?
20:17 < Tekk> Probably? I believe every Brother printer I've owned has needed linux binaries. I've never had a scanne.r
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20:19 < zmoment> Yeah, next printer should support postscript.  For scanners, I wonder what type should I buy next time.
20:36 < avemestr> Wait, what?
20:37 < avemestr> https://paedubucher.ch/articles/2020-09-20-basic-printing-on-openbsd.html
20:37 < avemestr> It's often possible to print to a Brother printer without any drivers.
20:38 < avemestr> After setup: "lpr whateverfileyouwanttoprint.txt" prints the file.
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20:39 < avemestr> Printing also just works(tm) in e.g. LibreOffice when printing to what they call "Generic Printer".
20:39 < avemestr> For scanning: A number of Brother multi-function devices is able to (S)FTP to a specific server whatever you scan on it.
20:40 < avemestr> Forget about CUPS, linux drivers, brlaser and all that jazz.
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20:42 < thrig> you might need a PPD if you want fancy things to happen
20:43 < sibiria> pretty much all consumer scanners these days are generic USB image acquisition devices. no drivers needed. device profile is supported in standard USB functionality
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20:45 < zmoment> avemestr: what you say is to initiate the scan pressing a button at the MFC and then configuring an option to upload it smowhere?  Or to initiate the scanning through software like scan2pdf?
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20:45 < avemestr> zmoment: Yes, you initiate it on the device. 
20:46 < zmoment> good
20:46 < avemestr> zmoment: You need to specify the exact model if you want better answers.
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20:48 < zmoment> it's a MFC-J430W
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20:54 < avemestr> https://download.brother.com/welcome/doc002847/cv_mfc825dw_eng_net_b.pdf < "Changing the Scanto FTP configuration using a web browser".
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21:00 < zmoment> that web based manager seem to be only for another model MFC-J5910DW
21:01 < avemestr> Amuzing. Found the link to it on this page: https://support.brother.com/g/b/manualtop.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj430w_all
21:01 < avemestr> And the filename of the pdf contains itself a third model number.
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21:34 < ngelover> is there a way to set a timeout for tls_connect()?
21:35 < zmoment> Another question.  For a program I need java 8.  Can it coexist peacefully with a more recent java version like 17? 
21:36 < thrig> maybe if installed to some other directory tree
21:36 < pardis> ngelover: establish a connection yourself and then call tls_connect_socket()?
21:39 < ngelover> ok right
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21:46 < engblom> Has anyone of you tried to run OpenBSD on Odroid C4? How did it work? Is it having SMP?
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21:54 < sibiria> i thought smp for arm64 was enabled some 4-5 years ago
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21:57 < sibiria> that's about when it began working for rockchip- and broadcom-based arm64 SoCs
21:59 < sibiria> and allwinner. and marvell armada. etc.
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22:12 < zmoment> Did a 7.3 amd64 installation, when rebooting it seems hang after file system checks.
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22:24 < zmoment> Any idea about something to change in bios settings so not to hang the boot process?  
22:25 < zmoment> The system is a i3-12100, with igpu, 64GB ram, network intel i219v controller.
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22:33 < rsjw> you could boot the install disk again, mount the disk you installed to, and put echo statements in /etc/rc to see where it hangs
22:34 < rsjw> where exactly, I mean
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22:52 < zmoment> oh, vi doesn't seam available, just ed?
22:53 < rsjw> yeah I think so
22:53 < thrig> time to level up that ed proficiency
22:53 < rsjw> it's a bit of a challenge but it's doable
22:54 < sibiria> "here goes! *butters*"
22:54 < thrig> set ed as your git editor for a few years
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22:54 < zmoment> :-)
22:54 < concrete_houses> can I run a software corp on openbsd and not need cisco routers?
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23:18 < zmoment> Did as suggested, the last echo I placed and that showed up was line 'before re-link libraries placing the objects in a random order'
23:18 < zmoment> Then "automatic boot in probress: starting file system checks, from /dev/sd1a to the last /dev/sd1e and it stops there.
23:20 < pardis> filesystem checks happen long before relinking libraries
23:21 < pardis> and what exactly does that mean? did it hang *while* checking sd1e or after sd1e finished being checked? how big is sd1e?
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23:22 < zmoment> /dev/sd1e ... Marking file system clean, so it's after.
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23:39 < rsjw> where did you place the "before re-link libraries" line? was it before the definition of the reorder_libs() function or was it before its invocation on the line "reorder_libs 2>&1 |&"?
23:40 < rsjw> note that /etc/rc defines a bunch of functions at the beginning of the file, but doesn't use those functions until later in the file
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