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04:08 < epony> yes, if you can  Apr22 2254<concrete_houses> can I run a software corp on openbsd and not need cisco routers?
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06:07 < skydoge> epony, hi can you help me?
06:11 < epony> a sprinkle of hope and a dash of optimism, in an otherwise scorched Earth future to be of a nuclear winter with some disclosures of innevitable and imminent demise not before long and totally due before your time expires, cheer up
06:11 < epony> you have OpenBSD to cling to
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06:21 < skydoge> epony, thanks mate
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08:41 < zmoment> epony: Are you afraid of the nuclear hoax?  Have you seen https://libertariannews.org/2012/06/27/man-eats-uranium-drinks-and-swims-in-reactor-water-ignites-plutonium-in-his-bare-hand/
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14:41 < lavaball> mpv from fullscreen, minimizing to taskbar via keyboard shortcut in openbox, kills all windows in x except for firefox. the shortcut works fine other wise. just when it's in fullscreen. this worked before. is that something the exterminators would be interested in? there are a lot of moving parts, that's why i ask.
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14:56 < sibiria> lavaball: have you tried wearing black latex gloves when handling mpv?
14:57 < sibiria> not that i have anything against mpv as i consider it a bona fide video player
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14:57 < lavaball> i actually switched from vlc, becuase mpv runs worlds better inlinux.
14:57 < lavaball> so i took it with me when i openbsded.
14:57 < sibiria> vlc is definitely something i'd wear latex gloves for if i ever needed to start it up
14:58 < sibiria> utter software abortion, it is
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14:59 < lavaball> i really don't think this is an mpv issue though. 
15:00 < sibiria> did you just imply openbsd's generally poor state of anything video/gpu related could be behind this
15:01 < lavaball> i don't know enough about implying anything. i just know the wacom drivers are not that great. working with a russian kid to fix that.
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15:01 < lavaball> that's all the insight i have.
15:02 < rsjw> has anybody gotten xace to work on openbsd?
15:03 < lavaball> see what i mean? i don't even know what that is. xace? graphical ace archive program?
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15:03 < sibiria> or something with the game x-com? i have no idea either
15:04  * rsjw tries to find a link
15:05 < rsjw> it's an x11 extension that provides a mechanism to implement security in the x server https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/xorg-docs/specs/Xserver/XACE-Spec.html
15:06 < rsjw> so that one client can't interfere with another except in the ways it's supposed to
15:07 < lavaball> i thought all that was inside openbsd anyway.
15:07 < lavaball> you know, the security and all.
15:07 < rsjw> afaik, the x11 is pretty much just stock
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15:10 < rsjw> I bring it up because if "closing windows" was an operation that mpv was not allowed to do, then you'd know the problem was probably in the x server or drivers
15:11 < lavaball> good thinking. but no, it's a openbox shortcut, and that plays into an mpv .. plugin? plugin. 
15:11 < lavaball> super+space minimizes any window, and if mpv is minimized it pauses automatically.
15:11 < lavaball> and as i said, it happens when in fullscreen.
15:12 < lavaball> window mode, maximized or not works fine.
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15:13 < Filystyn> i remember using vlc back on windows
15:14 < lavaball> in other non openbsd related news. (let's hope the topic police isn't here): daredevil from netflix is the motherfucking shit. 
15:15 < Filystyn> people use still netflix ?
15:16 < lavaball> yeah, but thye don't make spaces between punctuation and words anymore.
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15:18 < lavaball> seriously though. netfilx had a few very good shows. the daredevil and jessica. then later cobra kai.
15:18 < rsjw> #openbsd-social
15:19 < lavaball> oh. the topic police got reinforcements. 
15:19 < lavaball> welcome to the war effort.
15:19 < rsjw> o/
15:19 < lavaball> we don't do that hand gesture in germany anymore.
15:19 < lavaball> but yeah, hi.
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16:00 < acidfoo> I tried the new malloc leak detection, I can't seem to be able to make it work, maybe i'm not good at creating a leak, anyone made it work ? I'd be curious to see an exemple of a C code. When I kump, I don't see an address for my a.out
16:00 < acidfoo>  0xc3e6ba5b923   65536      1  65536 addr2line -e /usr/lib/libc.so.97.0 0xc1923
16:01 < acidfoo> this is the line I see, I was expecting to see something like "a.out 0x1234"
16:01 < acidfoo> instead of libc
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16:17 < thrig> acidfoo: https://thrig.me/tmp/sirleaksalot.c
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16:20 < quinq> Nice filename
16:20 < thrig> I like big pids
16:21 < quinq> and you cannot lie
16:21 < acidfoo>  thrig: trying that thx !
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16:24 < quinq> thrig, some OSes are clearly supperior to others, on Linux it says: “All heap blocks were freed -- no leaks are possible”
16:25 < thrig> you could also assign the x to an array so they stick around
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16:28 < quinq> Even with the example from their own documentation (https://valgrind.org/docs/manual/quick-start.html) it says no leeks
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16:32 < acidfoo> thrig: same thing, well I did the loop only once, but I don't get the output like in the undeadly.org article, what do you get ?
16:32 < quinq> Oh right, I often forgot this tool mostly just targets glibc
16:32 < quinq> forget
16:33 < acidfoo> i compiled with "clang -g filename.c"
16:34 < rsjw> maybe try -O0
16:34 < quinq> That's the default
16:35 < acidfoo> I was blind, I had the good output with your example ;/ thanks !
16:35 < quinq> nice
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19:03 < ice303> Hi all. Making my first steps into OpenBSD. Been having this issue for the couple of days. I cannot get Intel AC 3165 WiFi working. dmesg says: Could not read firmware iwn-7265D-29. The install was made using disk, with no access to the Internet. Any idea?
19:04 < rsjw> the install doesn't include many firmwares due to licensing issues. connect using a wired connection and run fw_update
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19:04 < ice303> Than you kindly. Will try.
19:05 < rsjw> or copy the files from firmware.openbsd.org onto a disk, then mount it and run fw_update -p
19:05 < rsjw> (with the appropriate path given to -p)
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20:03 < ice303> I'm going to sound really dumb, but i can't mount the USB flash drive :( If I do a disklabel sd1, it shous the USB flash drive, with MSDOS as fstype ( it's fat32 ).
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20:03 < ice303> the command mount -t msdos /dev/sd1 /mnt/pen / previously created ) says Device not configured
20:04 < rsjw> /dev/sd1 is not a partition
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20:04 < rsjw> not in openbsd, that is
20:04 < ice303> oh
20:05 < ice303> got it
20:05 < ice303> should be sd1i
20:06 < ice303> as disklabel showed. Thank you again rsjw
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20:11 < epony> zmoment, the energy costs of OpenBSD are the same as those of other operating systems, your computer is the same, so how much work can you get done with it, and how well / reliably, how much do you trust the computation in particulate correlation to the operating system and its premises and guarantees (is what matters, not what kind of energy mix your local hoax government churns)
20:13 < pardis> that's not necessarily true, especially for laptops
20:13 < pardis> modern laptop hardware has a lot of power-saving features, some of which OpenBSD doesn't know how to use
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20:13 < epony> that applies to other non-proprietary systems on SoCs though
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20:13 < pardis> not necessarily
20:14 < pardis> Linux tends to be better at this than OpenBSD, for instance
20:14 < pardis> it varies depending on the OS
20:15 < epony> if we measure power draw before the adaptor from the wall socket, the laptop will be pulling "the same" with minor percentage difference
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20:15 < epony> and servers blast at full force with Linux in the data centre to compensate for your self-penalty savings
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20:16 < phy1729> That depends on clock frequency, how many and potentially which cores are active, the the time to finish the work matters for energy usage
20:17 < quinq> Well, no, power drawn from the wall socket is the power drawn, so if it consumes less, less is drawn
20:17 < epony> well OpenBSD has some overhead in memory management techniques, but Windows is adopting such too, eventually other systems will catch up
20:18 < epony> and the power usage of OpenBSD will be gadually improving with hardware being less OS specific and more computationally aware (scaling on its own)
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20:18 < epony> so the saying will be even more relevant in the future, for now, you have indeed advantage of other operating systems NDA affinity and industry support
20:19 < phy1729> I'd really appreciate if you'd stop spewing barely parsable nonsense
20:19 < quinq> I like prophecies
20:19 < quinq> “in the future, those problems will be solved, you can take my word on it!”
20:20 < epony> someone parses ;-)
20:21 < quinq> Good at it
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20:33 < epony> good at idling is not work though, it's heat waste / leakage, get something done, measure your differences, then try to understand what you just parsed
20:34 < epony> "at load"
20:35 < quinq> That took a while
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20:37 < emmanuelux_> hello is it stupid to make a sub-trunk interface inside a trunk interface ? (it would be for a load-balancing interface inside a failover interface)
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20:38 < epony> quinq, it was redundant, you should have understood that already, next session in an hour
20:41 < quinq> Don't strain your brain though
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20:42 < pardis> emmanuelux_: if you can load-balance, why not just load-balance across all ports? what is the point of load-balancing across some and failing over to others?
20:44 < epony> quinq, say something about OpenBSD recently?
20:44 < emmanuelux_> pardis, it would be to prefer fiber over other connections when it is working (4g router)
20:44 < pardis> ah okay, I see
20:44 < pardis> I'm not sure about how that would behave, but it sounds like something you'd want to test carefully
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20:45 < pardis> it sounds like a reasonable approach to me, provided the "inner" trunk(4) updates its active state properly when all its ports are inactive
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20:48 < ice303> A
20:48 < pardis> B
20:48 < epony> 15 years to Python
20:49 < quinq> epony, do you have an actual question?
20:49 < epony> quinq, you can't answer anything.. go play ;-)
20:50 < quinq> Then don't ask :)
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20:56 < epony> quinq, your silence is confirming you have nothing to say of relevance and importance, especially about OpenBSD.. so far, just farts
20:57 < quinq> Unlike what you're doing right now, obviously
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20:58 < epony> well, if people talk like you do, trying to outsmart in stupidity, nobody talks, just wastes your wits which are pretty mediocre and shallow
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20:59 < epony> did you say actually anything about OpenBSD recently?
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21:19 < Filystyn> dis drama
21:20 < Filystyn> iv set my vim to colo desert
21:20 < Filystyn> feels much better then default
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21:22 < thrig> nothing xterm*colorMode:false can't fix
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22:38 < rsjw> epony: it depends what type of work you're interested in. if you're trying to read documents or web pages, time spent at idle can bw the time at which work gets done, so it can be very relevant
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22:39 < rsjw> s/bw/be/
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23:33 < thumbs> rsjw: they are quieted, they can't answer you.
23:33 < rsjw> epony and who else?
23:34 < thumbs> rsjw: only tha user.
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