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00:07 < morena> they are ;/
00:07 < morena> they user
00:07 < morena> bug found
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07:09 < Voyager_MP> how can I do something like this ? tcpdump -o -s 160 -n -e -ttt -v -i pflog0 | grep em0
07:11 < renaud> tcpdump -o -s 160 -n -e -ttt -v -i pflog0 on em0
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07:20 < Voyager_MP> @renaud I tryed that first, but then I get no output at all 
07:20 < Voyager_MP> strange, now it works 
07:20 < Voyager_MP> sorry 
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11:07 < finkfox> trying to mount an sd card. disklabel shows "NTFS" on /dev/sd1i. mounting with "ntfs-3g" fails with "NTFS signature is missing.". "blkid" says its "exfat". mouting with "mount.exfat-fuse" mounts in write-protected mode. How to mount so I can write?
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11:24 < finkfox> what happened to this channel, its become so quiet?
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11:29 < finkfox> anyhow, I figured the problem, the sdcard adapter is broken (physical lock slider)
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11:41 < lavaball> it gets even weirder. when i do the minimize from fullscreen with mpv, everything closes, except firefox which tried to open the video file i was just playing.
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12:24 < dansimon> Hi, openrsync keeps randomly freezing on certain files, is there a way to force openrsync to continue despite troublesome files?
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12:28 < kn> best way is to fix the freeze ;)
12:31 < pardis> if you don't care if files don't get synced, just don't run openrsync at all
12:32 < dansimon> In theory yes... the freezes seem very random to me though, maybe I'll just have to use regular rsync...
12:34 < IcePic> can another process access the bad files while openrsync is hanging on to them?
12:35 < IcePic> fstat(1) should presumably list the files that openrsync is holding open currently, and if it gets stuck, the list should be somewhat manageable
12:40 < dansimon> I can usually fix the situation manually by ^D openrsync, (s)cp the file, then rerun openrsync (the file is always ok), but I'm trying to do a batch job with openrsync, so I need it to continue despite errors, and ideally log the errors for manual recovery later.
12:41 < dansimon> specifically I'm trying to take a full backup of my /home directory to a spare harddisk
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12:46 < dansimon> In my experience openrsync always chockes at seemingly random points if you feed it a very large amount of files.
12:47 < dansimon> Have others seen this, or is it just me..?
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13:01 < IcePic> perhaps grab a ktrace of it when it freezes, that would be neat
13:02 < pardis> an (e)gdb backtrace may also prove helpful
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13:08 < dansimon> IcePic: (and pardis) will do :)
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13:10 < finkfox> hi. how do you sync data between android (or similar) smartphone and openbsd? using mtp protocol with rsync? it seems awefully slow ...
13:10 < pardis> simple-mtpfs, adb push/pull, or install an sshd on the phone
13:11 < finkfox> adb works for you with openbsd?
13:11 < pardis> about 30% of the time
13:11 < horrad> I use the App SimpleSSHD to open rsync on Android via WIFI. Then i can rsync my data. 
13:12 < finkfox> I tried to install sshd on phone but failed to get it to work. will try again. thanks for your feedback.
13:13 < finkfox> (rsync with simple-mtpfs transfer with about 100kb/s)
13:14 < jcs>         if (strcmp(p->p_p->ps_comm, "chrome") == 0)
13:14 < jcs> that is a weird thing to see in the kernel
13:14 < pardis> that's unsurprising since rsync is block-oriented and MTP is file-oriented
13:14 < pardis> every time rsync writes a block, mtpfs probably has to reupload the whole file
13:14 < IcePic> jcs: not even strncmp() ;)
13:14 < zelest> jcs, :o
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13:23 < finkfox> pardis: interesting, I tried different rsync flags to improve, e.g. --whole-file
13:23 < finkfox> wondering speed could be increased with rsync flags
13:23 < finkfox> or looking for an alternative to rsync
13:24 < pardis> I'm not familiar enough with MTP or simple-mtpfs to know the answer to that
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17:33 < lavaball> oh noes. i tried to pdf in libre office, and of coursre i didn't safe. thing seems broken.
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17:38 < cjones> good morning/afternoon, anyone here have experience using veb/vport? I've read the man page and wondering what the directional concerns are when using pf.
17:39 < cjones> The man page says "The exception to this policy is on vport interfaces, where pf(4) runs as packets enter and leave the network stack regardless of the value of the link1 flag.  A consequence of this behaviour is that packets traversing vport interfaces appear to travel in the opposite direction to packets travelling over other ports."
17:39 < cjones> so do I have to setup pf rules in the that are backwards in direction from the way they are now?
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17:44 < lavaball> you can't even save normaly. libre offices freezes.
17:45 < lavaball> ...
17:45 < blackmetal> Would it be possible to redesign www.openbsd.org assuming it now contains a proper live ports database, an improved manpage system and cleaner and more efficient UI/CSS/HTML/JS? All the content would pretty much stay the same
17:45 < pardis> what is JS?
17:46 < blackmetal> that is ofcourse optional :)
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17:46 < pardis> cjones: I think this is just saying that packets going "out" of the bridge are coming "in" to the local system on a vport
17:47 < pardis> so if you mean that you are replacing some other interface with a vport, the directions of the rules should stay the same
17:47 < blackmetal> this bsdports.org thing, im always like "why do i have to import freebsd, netbsd and macos ports" it doesn't seem right
17:48 < pardis> blackmetal: I don't think anyone here is going to be able to say yes or no to that, you would want to ask on the lists, where people will almost certainly say no
17:48 < blackmetal> solene mentioned we could use ports.openbsd.org as long as there were no database connections or something along those lines
17:48 < pardis> and by people I mean Theo
17:48 < blackmetal> hehe
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17:48 < oldlaptop> pardis: That's what makes sense to me too, but it still seems confusing - packets come in to my bridge on (say) em0, and then "in" to the system *again* on the vport, and finally maybe go out somewhere else
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17:48 < oldlaptop> So it's not really "opposite" compared to em0 in that example(?)
17:49 < oldlaptop> blackmetal: See openports.pl for a "proper live ports database"
17:49 < pardis> it's opposite from the perspective of the bridge
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17:49 < blackmetal> ill start it and brew on it for a few years, maybe try meet theo in person
17:49 < pardis> if you consider a bridge with no vport interfaces, then a packet will come "in" one interface and "out" another
17:49 < pardis> but if one of those is a vport, then it will go "in" both or "out" both
17:49 < oldlaptop> (I would assume if there's anything under .openbsd.org it will at least be that database - sqlports - and very likely a derivative of that code - ports-readmes-dancer)
17:49 < blackmetal> yep
17:49 < blackmetal> i did have openports.org working for a while
17:50 < blackmetal> but then i had to experiment and install falcon
17:51 < oldlaptop> pardis: That makes sense to me. (I think. I've only ever used veb with link1 off in the first place.)
17:54 < blackmetal> lastly, i hope we one day can replace https://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg with something more timely...like https://replicate.delivery/pbxt/6kIDChpLQ3YqBJ7E7XQTgCxjNCkQq3dMHQFpBAXcEkTrgQNE/output_1.png
17:54 < cjones> pardis: okay, makes sense....I want to swap out bridge with veb so I'll see how it goes... I tried this once before and had some issues with it so I just ended up rolling back
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17:57 < oldlaptop> cjones: I found it straightforward for tying together interfaces on a gateway box (one port on an apu4 on the "outside", the other three ports and a ral(4) on the veb(4) with one vport on the "inside"; in that application link1 is off, so the bridge is entirely on the "inside" side of the gateway)
17:57 < lavaball> oh, never mind. was because sshfs crashed the filessystem, because the host shut down. 
17:58 < lavaball> same old problem then.
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18:07 < jf> oldlaptop i'm curious. have you looked at veb / vport as an alternative to bridge? (i used to use bridge, now use veb / vport)
18:07 < oldlaptop> jf: Yes, if it's not clear that's exactly what I'm talking about
18:08 < oldlaptop> (veb sounded so cool I migrated the gateway to -current shortly after veb went in specifically to do so)
18:08 < jf> ok. i was .. confused by the bridge references above. ty for clarifying.
18:08 < oldlaptop> The veb(4) bridge(no parens) :D
18:09 < jf> aha! i'll "read" that next time.
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18:09 < oldlaptop> (oh, the coin came up heads and I actually used the (4)! :P)
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18:11 < oldlaptop> anyhow, it easily saturates gigabit links from one port on the (-link1) bridge to the other - all I can ask for, really
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18:12 < oldlaptop> and the outside-the-network-stack model seems easier to think about to me, the above conversation notwithstanding
18:14 < jf> (i also use veb with the default link1. i filter on the vport)
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18:15 < oldlaptop> Yeah, it seems like a really good fit for something like a basic gateway that has more than one "inside" interface
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18:18 < jf> i have an internal wifi ap and an internal switch that handles aggregation. my internal veb "child" interfaces are 1x physical (for the wifi ap - only has a 1Gb interface), 1x aggr (2x 1Gb physical underneath) and 1x vport. That gives me higher throughput (via the aggr) than adding the 2x 1Gb internal directly (which also works, but at max 1Gb) and keeps 1Gb for the wifi ap.
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20:37 < xmszkn-> why ssd disk was not discovered?
20:39 < thrig> details unclear
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20:40 < pardis> because HDDs fossilise better
20:41 < thrig> it could be in the undiscovered country
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20:46 < xmszkn-> ;]
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20:50 < xmszkn-> its adata sp550
20:50 < xmszkn-> sata disk
20:54 < rsjw> what does "not discovered" mean?
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20:56 < oldlaptop> xmszkn-: It would be best if you can provide a clear and detailed description of exactly what you did, and exactly what is behaving differently from what you expected. (If there was a point at which everything *did* behave as you expected, you should probably start from there.)
20:57 < xmszkn-> rsjw: when I boot from usb i have only sd0 this is mpendrive 
20:57 < oldlaptop> You're booting the OpenBSD installer from USB, specifically?
20:57 < xmszkn-> i try dmesg | ide and i see its Intel Raid
20:58 < oldlaptop> You may want to look in your firmware ("BIOS") settings for any options related to "RAID" or "SATA controller mode" or something like that. (If you find one, you probably need to change it from "RAID" or "RAID mode" to "AHCI".)
20:59 < xmszkn-> I loaded the .img install version on usb stick and it boot, when installing it only detects the sd0 drive is usb
20:59 < xmszkn-> oldlaptop: I try
20:59 < oldlaptop> (If you could post a complete dmesg, that would be good too. I'm just guessing based on you saying something vague about "Intel Raid".)
21:01 < rsjw> which disks are seen by "sysctl hw.disknames"?
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21:03 < xmszkn-> oldlaptop: its working
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21:05 < xmszkn-> raid is proprietary therefore openbsd does not tolerate it?
21:05 < xmszkn-> i set to AHCI, one from disable, ATA and Raid
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21:07 < xmszkn-> ok I didn't give full info, but still you guided me
21:08 < xmszkn-> good thing I asked because I wanted to give up
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21:49 < oldlaptop> xmszkn-: Some RAID controller vendors have been reticent with their documentation in the past; I don't know offhand if that's the case with Intel's stuff. (It's not exactly a given that someone will have the ability, time, and desire to support something like that, especially if the laptops that commonly have this problem all work fine in AHCI mode anyway.)
21:49 < oldlaptop> It
21:49 < oldlaptop> *It's not generally a matter of "OpenBSD won't tolerate it" quite as much as "OpenBSD can't do anything about it", with proprietary hardware.
21:51 < oldlaptop> NVIDIA GPUs, for example: maybe in theory, OpenBSD could do a bunch of work to make it possible for NVIDIA to ship a proprietary driver for OpenBSD. (There's no support for loadable kernel modules in the first place, as things stand now.) Maybe NVIDIA would then actually do such a thing, but probably not.
21:51 < oldlaptop> The handful of people who do GPU driver work could also spend a whole lot of time porting nouveau, only to get something that only sort of works a little bit. That doesn't seem to be all that attractive an idea to them. :P
21:52 < oldlaptop> (Maybe things will change in the next few years; supposedly NVIDIA is starting to open up some of the kernel-level stuff.)
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23:03 < riceandbeans> I dislike Nvidia and avoid them anyway.
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23:14 < rsjw> cloning the linux git repo gives an out of memory error. is there some memory limit I need to change or is this a bug somewhere? https://termbin.com/j15n
23:15 < thrig> what's the login class of the user?
23:16 < rsjw> whatever the default is
23:19 < rsjw> if it's the "class" field in /etc/passwd then the class is the same as my user name, so I suppose it would be the "default" class
23:20 < riceandbeans> if you have 2 services, foo and bar, existing as services installed via packages, and out of the box they have a race condition where foo must start before bar, else bar must be restarted to pick up things, do you just fix that with rcctl order bar foo ?
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23:21 < sibiria> yes
23:21 < sibiria> or just the one that needs to go first
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23:25 < riceandbeans> fw01# rcctl order unbound
23:25 < riceandbeans> rcctl: unbound is not a pkg script
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23:25 < riceandbeans> :\ that didn't go as planned
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23:40 < phy1729> unbound is in base, so it always goes before package scripts
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