--- Log opened Sat Apr 29 00:00:08 2023
00:01 < brocashelm> i'm doing a sysupgrade right now (rebooted automatically). i am used to doing distro upgrades (through debian), so this is pretty straight-forward for me
00:01 < brocashelm> i am doing this all on a vm just to warm myself up for when i make the switch
00:03 < brocashelm> first round of upgrade successful
00:04 < jak3b> Its pretty straight forward
00:06 < brocashelm> showing 7.2
00:06 < brocashelm> now for the second round
00:06 < brocashelm> yeah, i'm surprised how seamless it is
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00:08 < rsjw> you'll want to run pkg_add -u after that to upgrade your (nonexistent) packages
00:09 < brocashelm> noted
00:09 < pardis> this is all in the upgrade guides I linked
00:09 < pardis> those pages will always contain any special things you should be aware of for each release
00:10 < pardis> you should follow those rather than blindly running sysupgrade, because it may (occasionally) not be that simple
00:10 < oldlaptop> like, say, "there was this little detail with time_t..."
00:12 < jak3b> True, dont approach Openbsd like linux, The man pages and the web site have the best info
00:12 < jak3b> google searches can lead down some strange places that get you nowhere 
00:12 < brocashelm> i will run pkg_add -u after this sysupgrade (just finished installing the tgz packages) and then consult the guide
00:13 < jak3b> the tgz packages?
00:13 < brocashelm> from the sysupgrade script
00:13 < jak3b> ah yes
00:13 < brocashelm> like base73.tgz, xshare73.tgz, etc.
00:13 < jak3b> gotcha
00:14 < brocashelm> it's hanging on "Making all device nodes... done."
00:14 < jak3b> yep
00:15 < brocashelm> just wait a little longer?
00:15 < jak3b> yea
00:15 < brocashelm> ok
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00:20 < brocashelm> running pkg_add -u now
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00:20 < brocashelm> can confirm it's now saying 7.3
00:21 < jak3b> good
00:24 < brocashelm> time for a cold one while it does its thing :D
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00:41 < brocashelm> all done. now to check with a reboot
00:46 < brocashelm> update complete. now on 7.3
00:46 < brocashelm> pkg_add appmanager worked!
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00:54 < brocashelm> everything running smoothly post-upgrade. i only ran the sysupgrade and pkg_add -u commands
00:55 < brocashelm> also, is it mandatory that i use xenodm? i'm used to startx, but have read it is disabled for security reasons. i personally never liked graphical display managers and would rather start x from tty
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01:04 < brocashelm> is there a way to delete caja (mate file manager) but keep atril (pdf reader)?
01:05 < brocashelm> or do they have to be bundled?
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01:19 < tommyrot> try it
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01:23 < brocashelm> for example, i can't go pulseaudio-free if i keep programs like okular (due to some other kde dependencies, i guess)?
01:24 < brocashelm> pkg tells me it can't without also removing the next line of packages
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01:30 < tommyrot> might be the result of installing meta packages which will keep them tied to each other so to speak
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06:40 < lts> I have an openbsd router which periodically (roughly about once a week) loses its ability to connect to Internet. It routes just fine, but all connections from itself fail, e.g. ping 1.1.1.1 gives 100% packet loss. It gets immediately fixed if I run "pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf". I would like to find and fix the root cause, instead of e.g. bubblegum reloading the pf.conf once a day. I have the error
06:40 < lts> state ongoing at the moment. Any ideas how I could troubleshoot what is causing this? tcpdump -n -ttt -r /var/log/pflog shows nothing out of ordinary
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07:20 < typicat> :q
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07:49 < brocashelm> btw, thanks for the help earlier
07:49 < brocashelm> i still have a few more questions that i'll ask at a later time, so i can take advantage of openbsd's features and familiarize myself with it more
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09:27 < Zyxer> Heyyyy
09:28 < Zyxer> I need some help with network sharing. Due to circumstances I have to install a machine but the only internet available is wifi, and the machine has no wifi. I have laptop with openBSD and I want to network share so the machine gets internet from laptops ethernet port. 
09:29 < Zyxer> For some reason guide on using local drive to install openBSD stuff (bsd, bsd.mp, xbase73, etc) doesn't work. 
09:30 < Zyxer> Something also feels off as if I am supposed to use another image or something, I am trying to install to an APU6, and when I was at home I tried both with it connected to WAN and also to router LAN, it refused to get internet. And Now I am stuck with only wifi. 
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09:31 < Zyxer> I have set up COM port and connected to it so no issue with controlling it or similar. 
09:32 < Zyxer> I tried to do a dhcp on my laptop but I think it may get blocked or similar due to me being stuck in office (hence why wifi only, I don't think connecting to IT companys internet in another way is allowed). I have 12 hour shift and almost nothing happens hence why I decided to try installing it here (I was still having issues at home). 
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09:34 < Zyxer> Bridging the interfaces is okay even if laptop loses internet. 
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10:34 < sibiria> Zyxer: have you tried just using the install73.img on a USB memory or SD card?
10:35 < Zyxer> sibiria: Yes, and then it can't find the bsd, bsd.mp etc. 
10:35 < sibiria> yeah in some cases you need to mount the disk despite having booted from it
10:36 < sibiria> the installer asks you if the media is already mounted - say no and let it show you details of the storage it finds
10:36 < sibiria> the installer will only boot the install kernel and a small supporting file system. it's separated from the rest of the data in the image file
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10:38 < Zyxer> I can't find it, I type no and it gives me sd0 and sd1 as options (I am doing FDE install), but chosing neither works
10:40 < sibiria> and details of sd0 does not match the SD card or USB memory?
10:41 < sibiria> did you accidentally overwrite the installation disk when doing the FDE setup perhaps
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11:01 < Zyxer> sibiria: I am reinstalling, perhaps I did select incorrect or something messed up. I thought to make the partition table myself but I am confused as to what units are shown.
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11:03 < Zyxer> Meh, I'll just install without swap probably not needed when I got 4GB RAM and just want to use it as a router.
11:04 < Zyxer> Well, doing nothing different except manually partitioning. Now it looks like it should... 
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11:12 < Zyxer> Ok it just worked this time. I must have been tired yesterday. Aw well. 
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11:39 < lavaball> definitely not an mpv issue. when i do fullscreen on youtube and then pull down tilda, openbox crashes as well.       is this enough for a bug report? especialy since i'm on current. 
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11:44 < sibiria> definitely. but probably for openbox
11:44 < sibiria> you should see if you can reproduce on fluxbox, cwm, anything
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11:45 < lavaball> you and your fluxbox!
11:45 < sibiria> go for cwm then, or xfce, anything
11:45 < lavaball> i'm old. 
11:45 < sibiria> basic method of exclusion
11:45 < lavaball> yes yes yes.
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11:45 < lavaball> i'll try it on linux first.
11:47 < sibiria> openbox hasn't seen an update in 10 years, if not more. good potential for unfound bugs!
11:48 < lavaball> openbox is the bomb!
11:48 < lavaball> and i will fight you to the death over it.
11:48 < lavaball> unless of course you have something samller.
11:48 < lavaball> smaller.
11:50 < sibiria> fluxbox might be. might
11:50 < lavaball> isn't. it's about 2mb, while openbox is 750kb.
11:51 < lavaball> also i need something gtk compatible for my pink window decoration.
11:52 < sibiria> fluxbox can do gtk themes
11:52 < lavaball> you sure about that?
11:52 < lavaball> well, maybe i will try it after all. i mean it doesn't have xml for starters.
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11:58 < sibiria> lavaball: once upon a time, a pentium 90 with 32 mb of ram running openbsd 3.0 was my desktop system for half a year
11:58 < sibiria> with fluxbox
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13:32 < Zyxer> How can I make laptop take wifi internet and share it to ethernet so I can connect ethernet to another device without wifi? I have made a hostname.bridge0, vether0, got an IP on vether0, added vether0 and re0 to bridge0, and also enabled IP forwarding, as well as modified pf.conf
13:33 < Zyxer> My laptop has internet but the router doesn't. 
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14:29 < mornfall> Zyxer: what's the role of vether in that?
14:30 < mornfall> Zyxer: if you want to bridge wifi and wired, add those two to a bridge
14:30 < mornfall> if you want to route, that's different from bridging
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14:31 < mornfall> if you want your laptop to act as a router, you will probably need to setup NAT
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14:32 < Zyxer> mornfall: I just want my router to get internet so I can install the stuff I need
14:32 < mornfall> wifi is unlikely to be very fond of multiple mac addresses on the same connection (that's what you get with a bridge)
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14:34 < mornfall> drop the bridge then, set up nat and have the other computer use your laptop as its default gateway
14:34 < Zyxer> Ok, I will try. Thanks
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14:37 < sibiria> net.inet.ip.forwarding=1, and add a nat-to pf rule for the "LAN" towards the interface you have internet connectivity on
14:37 < sibiria> sysctl net.inet....*
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15:04 < Zyxer> I'm not sure about the forward-zone in unbound.conf.  
15:04 < Zyxer> The forward address, what is it supposed to have?
15:05 < sibiria> unbound is a dns resolver. network filtering is in pf.conf
15:05 < mornfall> you don't need to set up dns for the gateway
15:07 < sibiria> typically you would route from lan to wan with something along the lines of "pass out quick on $ext from $lan:network to any nat-to ($ext)"
15:08 < sibiria> where $ext and $lan are your wan/lan interface names
15:08 < Zyxer> Thanks, I got it working, but when I tried to setup unbound, it failed, and now firefox gets no internet for some reason. My router has tho'
15:09 < Zyxer> and all my terminals also get internet. Am I gonna have to reboot everytime firefox stops getting internet? I tried sh /etc/netstart. 
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15:10 < sibiria> no, you don't need to reboot for any of it
15:10 < Zyxer> ok so how can I give firefox internet again?
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15:19 < sibiria> did you change anything in its settings? proxy? specific resolver?
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15:46 < Zyxer> Sorry for late response. Work related stuff decided to go on a spamming spree, almost looks like email bugged out. I guess this looks really good on paper for me but my brain turned to mush. 
15:46 < Zyxer> No I have not changed anything in firefox
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15:50 < Zyxer> It seems I can only ping IPs not an address
15:50 < thrig> debug why DNS is borked?
15:51 < sibiria> unless you need/want dhcp to feed you dns info, you can stop resolvd and put dns info in /etc/resolv.conf
15:52 < pardis> or rather, only do that if you explicitly want to configure DNS manually
15:53 < pardis> it may or may not be remotely relevant to whatever your problem with DNS is
15:53 < thrig> dns changes may take a while to unwind
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15:56 < Zyxer> I rebooted, still DNS borked... Hmm....
15:56 < sibiria> what does etc/resolv.conf say?
15:56 < Zyxer> it has 2 lines
15:56 < Zyxer> nameserver 10.128.128.128 # resolvd: iwm0
15:57 < Zyxer> lookup file bind
15:57 < Zyxer> I have not touched it tho'. Well, except maybe when I installed OBSD I guess
15:57 < sibiria> try replacing that with 9.9.9.9
15:57 < sibiria> and: rcctl stop resolvd
15:57 < sibiria> and see what happens
15:58 < thrig> or test it with `host microsoft.com 9.9.9.9` first
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16:00 < Zyxer> Not restarting relovd? Just stop it? Ok
16:00 < sibiria> yes. it doesn't manage name resolutions. it just manages that one config file
16:01 < sibiria> and if you want to handle dns settings yourself in the future, you should also disable it: rcctl disable resolvd
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16:01 < Zyxer> Didn't work. 
16:01 < Zyxer> Oh, thanks, yea I am going to do that in the future
16:01 < Zyxer> But not on this device
16:02 < coreystephanphd> Zyxer: sibiria: Friendly reminder that this is a chat room with hundreds of people who want to talk specifically about OpenBSD. Might be best to move this extended chat to a PM session. Cheers :)
16:02 < sibiria> Zyxer: nslookup blah.com 9.9.9.9    gives you what?
16:02 < sibiria> coreystephanphd: this is an openbsd issue to him. cheers
16:04 < pardis> what *did* you touch? you must have changed something if it was working and has now stopped
16:05 < sibiria> i get the impression you don't actually have a functional route to the internet
16:05 < sibiria> re: angry router
16:05 < thrig> it was claimed that ping to some ip worked
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16:06 < sibiria> pinged the gateway maybe
16:06 < Zyxer> sibiria: It echoed it back under server: and Address: then "Non-authoritative answer:\nName: blah.com\n Address: 189.x.x.x
16:06 < sibiria> ok, good, then traffic is reaching out
16:07 < sibiria> put this in resolv.conf:    nameserver 9.9.9.9   and on the next line: lookup file bind
16:07 < Zyxer> Yes IPs I can ping, what I did before it borked was trying to enable unbound, it failed and then no more domains
16:07 < sibiria> rcctl stop resolvd; rcctl disable resolvd
16:07 < pardis> or maybe don't disable it permanently until you have a working solution
16:07 < sibiria> ping blah.com   <-   does that then manage to resolv the hostname?
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16:08 < thrig> changing multiple things always makes debugging easier
16:09 < sibiria> it's more about removing a handful of potentially interfering do-gooder components. like unwind and resolvd
16:09 < sibiria> so stop them from messing with his resolv.conf to see if anything works entirely manually
16:09 < sibiria> can choose DNS weaponry afterwards when confirming he has nominal access to the internet
16:10 < Zyxer> Changing resolv.conf and then starting and stopping resolvd (Yea I am new and have no idea if stopping it does some cleanup or something, and since it was stopped I started and stopped it again)
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16:10 < sibiria> if you start resolvd again, it will overwrite resolv.conf again
16:10 < sibiria> it's what it does. it's its "thing"
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16:11 < Zyxer> Ok so I redid resolv.conf, now I can ping but, before I got error "No address associated with name". Now I get 100% packet loss
16:12 < sibiria> ping google.com and you should see traffic going through
16:12 < sibiria> not all hosts respond to echo requests
16:12 < Zyxer> Oh, you're right. Thanks!
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16:13 < Zyxer> Ok so resolvd just changes the resolv.conf. That's all it does? I guess it may read from elsewhere to get the input for resolv.conf
16:13 < sibiria> that's all it does
16:14 < Zyxer> Where does it get the DNS server IP from?
16:14 < sibiria> primarily dhcp responses
16:14 < sibiria> it also has a few other tricks up its sleeve
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16:15 < pardis> reading resolvd(8) might be a good idea if one wants to learn about resolvd(8)
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16:33 < acidfoo> hmm, with the latest snapshop vmd doesn't seem to start anymore
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16:37 < acidfoo> vmd: re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
16:37 < acidfoo> seems vmd: re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
16:37 < acidfoo> oops
16:37 < acidfoo> seems like it wants a path, but I don't see how to pass it to it
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16:42 < thrig> how did you start it?
16:42 < acidfoo> at first with rcctl start vmd, but then vmd -d -vv
16:42 < acidfoo> to see the output
16:42 < thrig> try /usr/sbin/vmd -d -vv
16:43 < acidfoo> there we are :) that works well
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16:43 < thrig> or, maybe, (cd /usr/sbin && vmd -d -vv) but I'd have to look at the code to see if that would work
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16:44 < acidfoo> ok now I see my whole problem 1) rcctl start vmd , doesn't work because I forgot to recreate the veb0 interface
16:45 < acidfoo> and I was not starting it manually properly so I thought the error was something else
16:45 < acidfoo> woot, thanks thrig 
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16:46 < pardis> why are you creating veb0 manually?
16:47 < acidfoo> most likely i'm missing an option for vmd to create it from the vm.conf I guess 
16:47 < acidfoo> that's what I'm currently looking at hehe
16:47 < pardis> look at hostname.if(5) instead
16:47 < acidfoo> oh, that make sense, ok thans
16:47 < pardis> and you probably shouldn't be running snapshots with this level of knowledge
16:47 < acidfoo> thanks
16:48 < acidfoo> what level of knowledge should I have to run snapshots ?
16:49 < pardis> generally, you should expect problems far worse than this from time to time, and be able to resolve them on your own
16:49 < acidfoo> i'm good with that, I won't improve If I don't face any problem I guess
16:55 < thrig> ronin had it worse when the problems involved actual stabby things
16:56 < hussein1> could have been worse - at least the samurai code of honor forbids projectile weapons
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17:55 < apotheon> hussein1: Samurai practiced with the bow and used it for warfare.
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17:56 < thrig> even if the five rings dude was a shade elitist about bowmen
18:03 < hussein1> apparently it was even their primary weapon for a period - thanks, TIL
18:04 < thrig> (swords are expensive and thus often associated with the ruling caste)
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18:25 < mp4_> i'd like to update a port, so i need build dependencies for it, is there an easy way to install those dependencies with pkg_* instead of relying to 'make install' in a ports' dir to fetch and compile them all (and all theirs dependecies) ?
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18:30 < pardis> see FETCH_PACKAGES in bsd.port.mk(5)
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18:58 < rsjw> how can I restore a subdirectory of /usr/xenocara from the cvs repo? I've tried every combination of checkout and update that I thought might work and none of them restore its contents
18:59 < rsjw> (the sibdirectory was rm -rf'd)
18:59 < rjc> rsjw: just reinstall the set
18:59 < rsjw> there's no way to tell cvs to restore it?
18:59 < rjc> oh, i see - /usr/xenocara is the actual cvs repo here
19:00 < rsjw> no, the repo is in /home/cvs. /usr/xenocara is the checkout
19:00 < pardis> rsjw: cvs up -C
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19:01 < rsjw> cvs up -C did not fill the contents of the subdirectory
19:03 < rsjw> maybe -C requires the CVS directory in the subdir to be present? (but it was deleted)
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19:05 < Zyxer> q
19:06 < thrig> ?
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19:11 < rjc> rsjw: fwiw, i always use 'cvs up -Pd' as per the official docs/faq
19:12 < thrig> cvs unhappy with empty dir. rm empty dir, cvs update happy.
19:14 < rsjw> hah that worked. just rmdir it
19:14 < thrig> I guess VCS tooling has maybe improved since the 90s?
19:16 < rsjw> meh git is complicated in its own way too
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19:31 < PyR3X> I have a weekly script to fetch current and build a custom kernel (needed for an apcupsd patch) -- I do this since I upgrade to a new snapshot weekly and run sysupgrade then I can just 'make install' the new kernel. What is the proper way to run a script immediately after a sysupgrade has rebooted the system?
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19:49 < rsjw> PyR3X: I'd think it'd be to append to rc.firsttime(8)
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20:01 < rsjw> of course you'd want it to append *after* the install/upgrade program wrote to it, so you might want to sysupgrade -n and then fix up the autoresponse file /auto_upgrade.conf to append to /etc/rc.firsttime. I did a similar thing to auto-install bsd.sp when I was running snapshots: https://termbin.com/uo26
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20:03 < rsjw> when you're running the install program I believe you can type !<enter> to get a shell prompt... you might be able to do the same in the autoresponse file, but I'm not sure
20:04 < PyR3X> rsjw: i'll check it out thanks
20:06 < rsjw> so something like making ed write !sh -c 'cat myscript.sh >> /etc/rc.firsttime' at the end of /auto_upgrade.conf instead of fixing up the response like I did
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20:20 < rsjw> or maybe, instead of fixing up /auto_upgrade.conf, you could just fix up do_update() in install.sub to have it run your script at the end
20:21 < pardis> if you are going to mess around like this, why not just have rc.firsttime write a flag file that makes rc.local do the work?
20:21 < pardis> then it doesn't matter if you append to it before sysupgrade
20:21 < pardis> this is not the best idea in the first place, incidentally, since HEAD is not guaranteed to be compatible with the latest snapshot, so you could easily be building a kernel that won't boot
20:22 < thrig> oh no I've never seen >> be run twice and then uh was that script idempotent
20:23 < rsjw> yeah, setting a flag does seem like less hassle. it makes it so you don't have to worry about the ordering
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20:24 < rsjw> (and therefore no hacky "ed"iting
20:25 < pardis> you don't even really need rc.firsttime, just create the flag file before doing a sysupgrade
20:25 < pardis> or have rc.local check if the kernel version changed since the last boot
20:25 < pardis> (or since the last kernel build, rather)
20:25 < pardis> or just check if it's a GENERIC kernel
20:26 < pardis> there isn't really a "proper" way because this is an unsupported use case, just pick whatever works best for you
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20:30 < rsjw> in my case of selecting bsd.sp, just moving bsd to bsd.mp and bsd.sp to bsd didn't work right because it broke kernel relinking on startup and I couldn't figure out how to unbreak it. so fixing things up in /auto_upgrade.conf so bsd.mp wasn't installed in the first place made it so the install program make kernel relinking work with bsd.sp instead. so for my case I think there was a reason for not using a 
20:30 < rsjw> script for rc.local but I'm not sure whether PyR3X's situation is similar
20:31 < rsjw> then again, there just might have been some magic knob to get kernel relinking to work that I didn't know about
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22:14 < markmcb> i'm running openbsd with qemu on a linux host and attempting to allocate and sriov network vf device from an i350, but in openbsd i see no device at all. pcidump shows "intel unknown".
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22:15 < markmcb> not sure if sriov simply won't work, or if i need to somehow force the em driver onto that unknown pci device
22:15 < markmcb> any suggestions?
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22:25 < brynet> markmcb: em(4) is for the actual hardware, not the virtual device, looks like Linux has a dedicated drivers this (ixgbevf, i40evf).
22:26 < markmcb> ah, you're right, i forgot about this
22:28 < brynet> So I guess if emulated drivers (e.g: virtio) aren't good enough, maybe you can install a seperate dedicated intel card to pass into the OpenBSD VM.
22:30 < markmcb> luckily i have 1 unused port on my card. i just passed it through and openbsd sees it no problem. this will suffice. thanks for the help.
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