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00:22 < oldlaptop> pr-asadi: Some of the manual pages for graphics drivers, like radeon(4), come from the X.org project and describe what X's userland drivers support; that doesn't necessarily correspond to what OpenBSD supports
00:24 < oldlaptop> Nowadays, everything covered in radeon(4) actually *does* get full 3D support as far as I know, but there are also newer radeons that are supported by something entirely different (amdgpu(4), and that X.org manual doesn't even list any model names)
00:25 < oldlaptop> Old radeons in general should be a pretty safe bet, at any rate. :)
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00:28 < oldlaptop> A while back, the model you're talking about would have been an even better bet, because it got full 3D support long before newer ones did.
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00:44 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: But 7450 model was not mentioned in radeon(4).
00:45 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: a while back, the model... -> Radeon HD 7450 1GB you meant?
00:46 < oldlaptop> Yes, but it does mention the "Radeon HD 7000 series" :)
00:46 < oldlaptop> (Which is actually slightly misleading as far as I know: it's actually an older "CAICOS" chip, not an "ARUBA" ('Southern Islands') one.)
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00:47 < pardis> although since new radeon(4) devices haven't been produced for years now, they should all work
00:48 < oldlaptop> Yeah, that's the real kicker. It's all amdgpu now. (Even some of the later radeon(4) ones are also supported by amdgpu, although I think openbsd uses the older driver.)
00:48 < pardis> the main obstacle to supporting recent Intel and AMD graphics is just the time it takes to port new drm(4) code over from Linux
00:49 < oldlaptop> I get the impression the amdgpu code in particular is not very nice.
00:49 < oldlaptop> (linux resisted accepting a bunch of it)
00:49 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Yes. I saw it mentioned "Radeon HD 7000 series", but it did mentions like "7900", that's why I asked. Just wanted to be sure.
00:50 < pardis> I wonder if we'll ever get an in-kernel pledge(2)-alike for vendor turds like amdgpu(4)
00:50 < pardis> could run some drivers in ring 1 with limited access to kernel internals or something, perhaps
00:50 < oldlaptop> The more important thing with these GPUs is actually those "engineering names" in the left-hand column, that describe the actual chips - not the "marketing names" in the right-hand column so much.
00:51 < pr-asadi> pardis: oldlaptop: Which old AMD graphic cards do you recommaned except Radeon HD 7450?
00:51 < oldlaptop> I think that's an excellent choice if all you want to do is drive two monitors and watch videos on them.
00:51 < pardis> the only one I have used (with OpenBSD or otherwise) is an HD 6850
00:51 < pardis> I have no idea how it compares to the 7450
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00:52 < oldlaptop> If you wanted to play 3D games, you might want to seek out a more powerful one. (The 7450 was a cheap, low-end card at the time, which is why it used a CAICOS chip instead of an ARUBA one. There are lots of them on the market because they were shipped in vast numbers with cheap Dell/HP/etc. desktop computers sold to institutions.)
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00:53 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: I may want to play Xonotic or RedEclipse. Can Radeon HD 7450 handle it?
00:54 < oldlaptop> I'm not familiar with those, sorry. It will *do* 3D rendering, it's just not very fast.
00:54 < oldlaptop> (These were the kind of cards that got shipped as a sort of substitute for integrated graphics, back in the day.)
00:55 < pr-asadi> No, I'm not doing rendering. And you do rendering with what? You have 7450?
00:56 < oldlaptop> Sorry, I mean it will render 3D games.
00:56 < oldlaptop> (It's just not very fast, and wasn't really meant for them even at the time.)
00:57 < pr-asadi> I played Xonotic with NVIDIA Geforce 210 on Linux and FreeBSD.
00:57 < oldlaptop> I do have a card pretty similar to what you're talking about, but I don't remember which model it is. :)
00:57 < pr-asadi> OH. Well. Do you have a recommendation? 
00:59 < oldlaptop> If your game ran on something like a Geforce 210, I bet it'd be okay on a CAICOS GPU too.
01:00 < pr-asadi> Yes. It would be. I just wanted to know better graphic cards.
01:01 < tommyrot> if it's your hobby: trial and error, if not.. don't bother with decade old cards
01:01 < oldlaptop> For the kind of stuff you're talking about, whatever you can scrape up is probably going to be just fine. The one pardis is talking about is a fair bit more powerful, if that matters to you.
01:02 < tommyrot> i played around with old radeons in the past, bought a box with give or take 7 of them and the experience is not great
01:02 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: HD 6850 you mean?
01:02 < oldlaptop> Yes, that's a similar (but bigger) chip
01:03 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: Radoen HD 7450 was in those which you bought?
01:03 < oldlaptop> (It would have been intended for gaming, at the time, where the 7450 would have been included with some office machine as a substitute for integrated graphics.)
01:04 < tommyrot> of that era
01:05 < tommyrot> you'll need to run at low resolution and or low bit depth for something smooth, not worth it imo unless you have some retro pc setup
01:05 < oldlaptop> It should paint a 2D desktop just fine, though.
01:06 < oldlaptop> (which is really what they're meant for)
01:06 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: You'll need to run at low... -> If you mean 7450, I played Xonotic with NVIDIA Geforce 210 on FreeBSD and Linux. And I had no problem. 7450 is better than NVIDIA Geforce 210.
01:07 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure about "better", offhand. It's smaller and lower-power, but it's also several years newer.
01:07 < tommyrot> a high resolution terminal yes, but then you want to do some browsing or video and it's a terrible experience again
01:08 < oldlaptop> (It's most likely better on OpenBSD simply because the driver support is so much better.)
01:08 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-radeon-hd-7450-1-gb.b1215 
01:08 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-210.c2020
01:09 < oldlaptop> It's really tricky to compare GPUs from different vendors, or even different generations from the same vendor, with raw technical specifications.
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01:09 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: I do browsing web and watching movies with NVIDIA Geforce 210 on Linux. (And i was watching on FreeBSD too)
01:09 < pr-asadi> There was no problem.
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01:09 < tommyrot> you can't compare linux and freebsd performance to openbsd
01:09 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Hmm. Right.
01:10 < oldlaptop> It's already not sensible to compare different CPUs based on their clock rates, for example, and those are relatively similar. Different GPUs are *completely* different designs.
01:11 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: I heard OpenBSD supports few hardwares, but when it supports them, it supports them well. This is not right?
01:11 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Right.
01:12 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: What about HD 6850?
01:13 < coreystephanphd> pr-asadi: NVIDIA only releases its proprietary drivers for Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD as modules atop the kernels. Intel and AMD have open source graphics drivers that are kept well up-to-date and easy to use in OpenBSD. 2 out of 3 main vendors, then, are well supported here :)
01:13 < tommyrot> that would probably do the trick, but it requires a lot more power
01:14 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure that general principle applies to individual *device drivers* like GPUs and wifi interfaces. (How well those drivers work in practice can be pretty variable, unfortunately. Old radeons are pretty good, new ones can be flakier.) That *is* pretty much true for whole architectures - amd64, macppc, sparc64, and so on - compared to NetBSD.
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01:14 < pardis> it is not generally true that OpenBSD supports hardware well, although it certainly does its best
01:14 < pardis> bwi(4), for example, is infuriatingly slow on some hardware
01:14 < pardis> (and this is documented in the man page)
01:15 < pr-asadi> coreystephanphd: I know about it. I just want to be sure the one I am buying is good enough. I'm not paying much. My maximum budget: 150$.
01:15 < brocashelm> would openbsd perform well on an amd radeon rx 580 paired with 4th gen intel cpu?
01:15 < oldlaptop> (If OpenBSD releases for an architecture, that means it works at least well enough to *self-host* the system, no cross-compilers or other tricks. OpenBSD's vax port was ultimately killed when one of the vax build machines finally died!)
01:16 < tommyrot> wait, for 150$ you can buy a RX570 i think?
01:16 < oldlaptop> tommyrot: for context, <pr-asadi> highplainsdruid: I'm from Iran. Dollar is expensive here.
01:16 < tommyrot> gotcha
01:16 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: I do not know. I'm Iranian and dollar is expensive here. I really do not know.
01:17 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Thank you.
01:17 < oldlaptop> Can't say I'm familiar with local availability of radeons around those parts. (I infer that the low-profile caicos cards are about as ubiquitous there as they are everywhere else. :P)
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01:22 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: oldlaptop: RX 570 here costs 714$.
01:22 < oldlaptop> That sure sounds like a lot.
01:23 < pr-asadi> Yes. So, Radeon HD 6850 is a better choice?
01:24 < oldlaptop> It's similar as far as software support, but a bigger, faster, more power-hungry chip.
01:26 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Trying not to be wrong. 714$ compared to IRR(Iranian Rial). And around 65$ compared to IRT(Iranian Tooman). 
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01:27 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Hmm. It would play movies well? I mostly watch 720p. And if I ever want to play game on OpenBSD, it would be Wesnoth, Xonotic/RedEclipse.
01:27 < oldlaptop> I would be shocked if wesnoth didn't work *just* fine :)
01:28 < pr-asadi> Yes. Wesnoth is lightweight. What about movies?
01:28 < oldlaptop> The same would go for relatively low-resolution video (which certainly includes "720p"), especially if you're not watching it in firefox/chromium.
01:29 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: I mostly watch movies with *mpv* player. I do not it is available on OpenBSD or not.
01:30 < oldlaptop> https://openports.pl/path/multimedia/mpv :)
01:31 < pr-asadi> Great.
01:31 < pr-asadi> I hope I will find Radeon HD 6850.
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01:32 < tommyrot> or HD 7750
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01:38 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: HD 7750 is a better choice too?
01:39 < tommyrot> it seems to perform similar but is more efficient, so if it's available for a good price
01:39 < oldlaptop> That would be a newer, completely different chip (but also a big gaming one) - though it should still work fine on OpenBSD.
01:39 < tommyrot> both those cards have succes stories in this channel, i grepped the logs
01:40 < oldlaptop> (AMD completely redesigned their GPUs between the "HD 6000 series" and the "HD 7000 series" - the 7450 just used one of the old chips.)
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01:46 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: both those cards... -> 6850 and 7750?
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01:47 < tommyrot> yes
01:54 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: oldlaptop: I have found "Radeon HD 5450 2GB" and "Radeon HD 7450 1GB" on online shops/markets. But no 6850 and 7750.
01:55 < oldlaptop> The slow, low-power ones are *much* more common, because they came with so many cheap office computers.
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02:00 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: I found a used good(Secondhand) "AMD Radeon Dell HD 7570".
02:01 < oldlaptop> Hah, that's the next chip up in size fro CAICOS :)
02:01 < oldlaptop> *from
02:02 < oldlaptop> Should be a fair bit more capable.
02:03 < tommyrot> what about a r7 240?
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02:03 < pr-asadi> should be a fair... -> Someone told me, that HD 7450 was good.
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02:04 < oldlaptop> It's good for simply rendering a 2D desktop on two monitors at minimal cost.
02:04 < pr-asadi> It does not render 3D?
02:04 < oldlaptop> It does, just not very fast.
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02:05 < oldlaptop> You should think of it a lot like "integrated graphics". Its original purpose was mostly to substitute for integrated graphics, in machines that otherwise didn't have them (or wouldn't have had the desired monitor outputs without a dGPU, or something).
02:06 < tommyrot> pr-asadi: check for the r7 240, it was a common budget card and perform a lot better than the 7450
02:06 < tommyrot> i actually have it here and can confirm it works
02:06 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: It works well with two monitors?
02:07 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: I understand. I must go to city center and look for AMD graphic cards.
02:07 < tommyrot> i haven't tested it
02:07 < oldlaptop> (It would also have been better than Intel's pre-Sandy-Bridge integrated graphics, when it was built in to the "Northbridge" chip instead of the CPU.)
02:09 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: XFX AMD Radeon R7 240 4GB?
02:09 < tommyrot> yes
02:09 < pr-asadi> It's expensive here. Not much, but for me.
02:09 < tommyrot> 2gb variants maybe?
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02:12 < pr-asadi> still expensive. I'm a little short of money.
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04:39 < brocashelm> how do i view cpu and disk temperatures (like with sensors or hddtemp in linux)?
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04:44 < seninha> brocashelm: sysctl hw.sensors
04:47 < brocashelm> seninha: says my cpu cores are running at 0.00 hz
04:47 < brocashelm> are there any settings or packages i might be needing?
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04:48 < brocashelm> i am looking here, but not getting any clear answers: https://man.openbsd.org/sysctl.2
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04:57 < seninha> brocashelm: what your `sysctl hw.cpuspeed` says?
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05:09 < brocashelm> seninha: hw.cpuspeed=3000
05:09 < seninha> What's your cpu?
05:09 < brocashelm> intel core2 quad q9650
05:13 < seninha> weird, hw.sensors.cpuN.frequencyN should be equal to cpuspeed in Hz
05:13 < seninha> At least on my computer, hw.cpuspeed=1200 and hw.sensors.cpu0.frequency0=1200000000.00 Hz
05:15 < seninha> According to cpu(4), the cpu frequency is returned by hw.cpuspeed, i do not know why the value is different on your hw.sensors
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06:03 < brocashelm> yeah, not sure what to do or how to fix this
06:04 < brocashelm> i simply installed it from the standard iso and it's mostly the defaults
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06:08 < brocashelm> https://tildegit.org/solene/obsdfreqd
06:08 < brocashelm> what about something like this?
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09:41 < clicker> hi all, unsure if this is the right place to ask but does anyone know how to disable color icons in fvwm? i've only been able to find documentation on removing icons as a whole, which i don't want as i like the minimized title bars, just not the large color icons taking up a huge portion of my desktop.
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11:21 < byteskeptical> clicker: man fvwm specifically the AddToMenu section
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11:43 < clicker> byteskeptical: i'm a bit confused on how this relates to xdg color icons showing up on iconified windows
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11:48 < clicker> i see the bit about defining .xpm icons, but that probably doesn't help me when i'm not using fvwm menus to launch some of my programs
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12:07 < byteskeptical> clicker: details left out of your original question, probably need to leverage something like xdg-icon-resource in the xdg-utils package
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12:38 < ivaat> hey now, https://manpro.org/solaris/hostid?idx=openbsd
12:38 < ivaat> ups
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12:46 < ivaat> https://www.manpro.org/start?idx=openbsd
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13:05 < phy1729> seems silly to use that when there's https://man.openbsd.org/
13:06 < thrig> or with less latency, local man pages
13:06 < ivaat> well it has other distros man pages to
13:06 < ivaat> :)
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13:07 < phy1729> https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi https://man.netbsd.org/ https://man.dragonflybsd.org/ https://man.voidlinux.org/
13:08 < brynet> https://man.bsd.lv/ too
13:08 < ivaat> i know that all of thehm have own man page but one plce.. for people who do not know other urls
13:09 < ivaat> ah typos..
13:09 < xtile> I sometimes use the FreeBSD man page site to view 4.3BSD and 4.4BSD man pages.  Useful.
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13:10 < phy1729> I use the 4 BSD man page sites to update shell completers and the void one is handy because they serve the man pages for everything they package
13:11 < xtile> shell completers?
13:11 < ice303> Hi. Is there any downloadable .pdf for the man pages?
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13:11 < ivaat> good idea
13:12 < thrig> man -Tpdf ls > ls.pdf ; TODO upload it here ; TODO download it here
13:12 < ice303> thank you kindly thrig
13:12 < thrig> (or, I don't know, skip the silly web thing)
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16:46 < coyote> hello everyone, i'm having a problem while trying to upgrade my packages with lots of packages failing with "gtk-update-icon-cache-*" doesn't match
16:46 < coyote> what could i do?
16:47 < thrig> delete all the gtk crap and try again?
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16:49 < byteskeptical> coyote: could be your mirror of choice being updated also make sure your pulling packages for the version you have installed
16:49 < coyote> i just ran sysupgrade (using -current) before trying to upgrade packages
16:49 < coyote> but i've been typing "n" when prompted "Proceed with update anyway ? [y/N/a]" and that seems to have helped
16:49 < coyote> (i was typing y before)
16:51 < byteskeptical> coyote: sounds like you still have an issue then if your typing no. I would take thrig's advice and reinstall those packages
16:52 < coyote> yeah, just as you sent that it failed to install a bunch of packages, buh
16:52 < coyote> i'll just uninstall all the packages that are making poblem
16:53 < thrig> "Nuke install from orbit [Y/n/a]"
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17:00 < coyote> uninstalling packages until it stopped failing worked, now im installing them back
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17:02 < eea> a
17:02 < eea> heh, i like to make sure my backups are good
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17:03 < coyote> "Can't find harfbuzz" oh
17:04 < coyote> maybe i got unlucky and started upgrading during a mirror update?
17:04 < coyote> im just using cdn.openbsd.org
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17:05 < IcePic> mirror updates mostly affect snapshots, and cdn mirrors are notoriously hard to debug when it comes to fast moving snaps
17:05 < IcePic> choose a non-cdn mirror if you are using snapshots and snap packages
17:06 < oldlaptop> who knows how many mirrors you're using and which ones are in the middle of updates, or haven't updated yet
17:06 < coyote> good point, i'll switch to a non-cdn one, then
17:09 < coyote> switching to a non-cdn mirror has solved it, thanks
17:09 < coyote> i didn't really think of it possibly causing havoc but it seems kinda obvious now
17:10 < thrig> -current? havoc? no...
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17:40 < PyR3X> is there a way to specify and/or restrict the ports tftp uses for data transfer? The tftp/dhcp/firewall are one in the same and I'm looking to specify granular pf rules to allow the traffic between lan clients and the firewall
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17:42 < pardis> you could restrict it with 'user _tftpd'
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17:44 < PyR3X> pardis: thanks -- I've done that already I didn't know if I was overlooking some options in negotiation for specific ports or anything. I guess the close as I can get is restricting to user _tftpd on ephemeral ports thanks
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18:36 < PyR3X> since wireguard is built into the kernel, is the user "root" for pf rules?
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18:39 < IcePic> PyR3X: in pf rules, "user" is only valid for packets created on the pf host, and there the user will be the one making the packets
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18:41 < PyR3X> IcePic: I understand -- so is the user root then?
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18:42 < thrig> maybe define where the wireguard is, where the firewalls are, and what you are trying to do?
18:48 < PyR3X> pass out on vlan10 proto udp from vlan10 port 55555 to vlan10:network <user root> 
18:48 < pardis> IcePic: that's not entirely true: "For incoming connections to the firewall itself, this is the user that listens on the destination port."
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18:56 < PyR3X> pardis: if that is true then why does "pass in on vlan10 proto udp to vlan10 port tftp user _tftpd" fail but without the user it works? fstat(1) shows _tftpd listening on 69
18:56 < pardis> read the rest of the description of 'user' in pf.conf(5)
18:57 < uuaaeeii> just wanted to give a quick update I was able to resolve my disk issue. Not sure what happened after I ran sysupgrade to cause the issue. I was able to thankfully get in, mount and repair the damage I caused and then upgraded with the openbsd install disk. Running sysupgrade soon. Will report if I have further trouble but thank you for the help that was provided. A lot of stress off my shoulders. 
18:58 < thrig> you could also get a massage for that stress?
19:00 < PyR3X> pardis: ah I see it drops privs to _tftpd but is still in fact root
19:00 < uuaaeeii> At first I read that as mattress. I do sleep on a roll out mat lol. 
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19:06 < uuaaeeii> I am rolling around on the floor with relief. Do any of you have a preferred tool for checking hdd/ssd "health"?  Is my best bet atactl and the SMART related options? 
19:07 < thrig> if there are pieces after you hit it with a bat, it has failed the healthcheck
19:08 < uuaaeeii> a lot of wisdom. a lot of poetry. 
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19:22 < PyR3X> I'm setting up pxeboot + autoinstall and wondering if response files can be hosted at https sites or is only http supported?
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19:35 < uuaaeeii> well bad news is after the system upgrade I was not able to boot. Good news is bsd.booted let me get in this time. I get much further in the boot process than I did initally. Going to quickly backup the absolute essentials again before trying to figure out what I did. 
19:40 < Filystyn> where there even any sysupgradees|?
19:40 < Filystyn> i mean syspatches
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19:40 < Filystyn> upgrade 7.3 ofc
19:41 < Filystyn> it's month and no patches
19:41 < Filystyn> it worries me
19:41 < oldlaptop> You need the warm, comforting embrace of the bugs?
19:41 < Filystyn> yes
19:41 < Filystyn> it feels wrong when there are no problems
19:41 < Filystyn> tho actualy people complain net is working slower
19:42 < oldlaptop> I'm sure the ports tree has you covered
19:42 < Filystyn> and funny thing i get the same impression
19:42 < pardis> you could always patch heartbleed back into your system if you want more problems
19:42 < brocashelm> right now, i'm having an issue with getting accurate temps and frequencies of my cpu
19:42 < brocashelm> i asked this yesterday and still have found no workaround
19:43 < Filystyn> i reported two bugs and waiting somethign happens
19:43 < brocashelm> i even installed obsdfreqd, ran it as daemon, still nothing (checking with sysctl hw.sensors and still 0.00 hz per cpu core)
19:43 < StellarOrbit> Hello, I tried searching online for this, but I have an encrypted OpenBSD 7.3 install on one ssd and Linux on another and I boot into either one whenever needed. I tried to boot into OpenBSD today and I get the error open(hd0a:/etc/boot.conf):invalid argument and I can't figure out how to fix it. I have tried doing "boot hd0a:/bsd" but that doesn't work either
19:45 < StellarOrbit> whenever I run "machine diskinfo" it shows that hd0 is the right drive.
19:45 < pardis> if your install is encrypted, you want to boot from sr0a, not hd0a
19:45 < StellarOrbit> pardis: I tried that too, it just says the same error
19:46 < Filystyn> errors are crawling but seems fixed issues are out of reach
19:46 < uuaaeeii> StellarOrbit: I am unsure if your error is similar to mine but are you at least able to enter your passcode for the encrypted disk before it gives you the error?
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19:47 < StellarOrbit> uuaaeeii: unfortunately I don't even get that far. 
19:47 < StellarOrbit> I have had this happen twice and the last time I just reinstalled but it happened now again after I have data on it
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19:48 < Filystyn> community is patiantly waiting, beliving one day everything gets fixed. Like a promised paradise by God. Where we all will dwell in deep oblivion. 
19:49 < Filystyn> Stellar you should backup your dataw. Remember there is no warranty
19:49 < uuaaeeii> damn. Well I had trouble booting after a system upgrade. Does it let you load bsd.booted or bsd.sp? My issue is probably different but I had to boot in, MAKEDEV the disks and bioctl the encrypted container. I ran the upgrade process then and was thankfully able to get back in. 
19:50 < sibiria> brocashelm: it's likely there's simply no drivers that can pick up the sensors on your cpu/mobo. does sysctl hw.sensors say anything useful at all?
19:50 < StellarOrbit> Filystyn: I know. I keep backups of most of my data. I am just wondering what is a good way to fix this in case it happens in the future
19:51 < sibiria> e.g. does it get temps right?
19:51 < uuaaeeii> now when I ran sysupgrade again same issue. Currently investigating what I may have done on my end. Hope that helps you in anyway. 
19:51 < sibiria> what does sysctl hw.cpuspeed say?
19:51 < sibiria> also "0"?
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19:53 < sibiria> StellarOrbit: does "boot /bsd.rd" work then?
19:54 < StellarOrbit> Let me try real quick
19:54 < StellarOrbit> brb
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19:57 < StellarOrbit> That unfortunately did not work. It just said the same with the additon of "wrong adapter"
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19:58 < sibiria> uhhh that's very confusing
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20:00 < StellarOrbit> It looks very much like this https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/rvuewi/unable_to_do_fresh_install_from_usb/
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20:04 < sibiria> you used FDE, right?
20:04 < sibiria> does it or does it not ask for password to decrypt the drive?
20:04 < uuaaeeii> Worst case are you able to take a picture of your error and upload it? 
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20:07 < StellarOrbit> sibiria: https://imgur.com/a/ruF56pm
20:07 < StellarOrbit> I cannot enter any password
20:07 < StellarOrbit> that was from way earlier before I knew I could run "boot xx:/bsd.xx"
20:10 < sibiria> you need to actually spell out "boot" as well
20:10 < sibiria> that's the command
20:10 < sibiria> "boot /bsd", "boot hdXa:/bsd" etc.
20:10 < StellarOrbit> I know. Like I was saying, I took that picture way earlier when it first happened. 
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20:13 < oldlaptop> Filystyn: You broke it! >:( https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=168297122325338&w=2
20:14 < sibiria> StellarOrbit: what does "machine diskinfo" say?
20:14 < StellarOrbit> sibiria: could my drive be failing?
20:14 < sibiria> it's possible but seems unlikely if you used it fine just before upgrading to 7.3
20:14 < sibiria> though it's strange that all drives are marked "*"
20:14 < thrig> the next time an ASPA object appears maybe you should send a shuttle up to nuke it
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20:15 < StellarOrbit> sibiria: it shows my 4 drives, hd0 being the drive openbsd is installed on
20:15 < sibiria> what are the flags for the drives?
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20:15 < StellarOrbit> I am not sure what you mean. Sorry, i am still learning openbsd
20:16 < sibiria> "machine diskinfo" will give you a tabular output
20:16 < sibiria> one column is "flags"
20:16 < StellarOrbit> ok, let me sign into a laptop so I can continue to troubleshooot this more. brb
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20:21 < StellarOrbit> https://imgur.com/a/PXMejcG
20:22 < StellarOrbit> hd0 being the disk openbsd is installed on
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20:23 < pardis> doesn't look like you have an encrypted installation
20:23 < pardis> probably best to boot into the installer and look at what fdisk and disklabel say
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20:25 < sibiria> usually it should have flags other than 0x00
20:25 < sibiria> indicating somethinb openbsd considers bootable
20:25 < sibiria> disk corruption isn't entirely unthinkable but it's really hard to say
20:26 < sibiria> i'd also do what pardis suggests, booting into installer - or fuguita to get access to better tools - and see what can be found on the drive
20:26 < uuaaeeii> luck and safety StellarOrbit.
20:29 < brocashelm> sibiria: it does list a few things, but again, says my cpu core speeds are 0.00 hz each
20:29 < StellarOrbit> sibiria ok I booted into the installer. Here's what it shows by running fdisk on sd0
20:29 < StellarOrbit> https://imgur.com/a/n4qqoXU
20:29 < StellarOrbit> uuaaeeii thanks
20:29 < brocashelm> what am i missing? using intel core2 quad cpu q9650
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20:30 < brocashelm> do i need something like intel-firmware?
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20:40 < StellarOrbit> Then when I run "bioctl -c C -l sd0a softraid0" it says "bioctl: could not open sd0a: Device not configured"
20:43 < uuaaeeii> sysctl hw.disknames shows sd0 as an option I am guessing? You did the sh MAKEDEV sd0 too? 
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20:43 < uuaaeeii> Within /dev/
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20:43 < StellarOrbit> uuaaeeii yes within /dev/
20:44 < StellarOrbit> Sorry you weren't talking to me. lol
20:44 < uuaaeeii> My hopes and prayers go out to you in days of woe and situation of dire. 
20:45 < StellarOrbit> yes, it shows as an option
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20:46 < Filystyn> for maximum ram used we have... what we have staff in login.conf yap ?
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20:52 < uuaaeeii> I think if we all used UTC there would be no war and so far reading this article just makes me think that people against UTC are working for the military industrial complex or worse. The egg council. 
20:52 < uuaaeeii> https://zachholman.com/talk/utc-is-enough-for-everyone-right
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20:52 < thrig> "no war" has been claimed for the telegraph, phone, radio, TV, Internet, ...
20:53 < oldlaptop> I bet some poor fool claimed that for the printing press too
20:53 < uuaaeeii> nah that knew what they were getting into
20:53 < oldlaptop> (he probably didn't live long enough to be killed in the Thirty Years' War)
20:53 < StellarOrbit> ok, well I am heading off. It doesn't seem like I am gonna get this solved out today
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20:54 < thrig> maybe? been a while since I read the book with that list of technologies that would clearly end war
20:54 < uuaaeeii> I still think the gatling gun has a chance. 
20:55 < thrig> it might have been "To Save Everything, Click Here"
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20:58 < quinq> thrig, greatest of all, unruled economics through commerce -> no war
20:58 < thrig> opium wars
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21:00 < vortexx> thrig: do you own a framework laptop? Was wondering how their weird screen resolution worked out
21:01 < thrig> yes? sometimes the text or cursor is a bit small, but I haven't been arsed to fix the x11 cursor or mupdf
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21:05 < brocashelm> nope, did not work. wtf
21:05 < kodcode> Looking to buy a USB WiFi dongle compatible with OpenBSD. Any recommendations?
21:06 < brocashelm> why would sysctl be saying 0.00 hz per cpu core?
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21:08 < uwharrie> because the kernel is unable to query your hardware
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21:18 < xse> "hw.cpuspeed: value is not available" welcome to the club
21:20 < brocashelm> hooray
21:20 < brocashelm> how would i be able to get the kernel to query it?
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21:20 < brocashelm> this is a fresh install
21:20 < byteskeptical> that's an agressive overclock cotton
21:20 < brocashelm> i just want to be able to control my temps/speeds so as to not stress the cpu much
21:21 < thrig> maybe it's new hardware that require new magic in the kernel
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21:21 < thrig> or there might be bios options or updates to fiddle with?
21:23 < uwharrie> or you've got a buggy ACPI implementation that needs an update
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21:24 < brocashelm> everything is updated to current/7.3
21:25 < byteskeptical> brocashelm: he means the BIOS
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21:27 < thrig> or these days Bloated Integerated Operating System
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21:37 < vortexx> thrig: how's the battery? My next laptop will probably be a framework
21:38 < vortexx> wish they'd do a 4k screen
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21:38 < thrig> I almost never have it on battery
21:42 < brocashelm> not sure. the bios is pretty bare as it is (it's an old dell optiplex from the late 2000s)
21:42 < brocashelm> byteskeptical uwharrie
21:42 < brocashelm> thrig
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21:42 < thrig> look for bios updates from dell?
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21:45 < vortexx> thrig: ok
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21:45 < vortexx> thanks for the info
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21:46 < thrig> or for an old dell maybe use legacy bios instead of any UEFI? pretty sure there were some optiplex that were all derpy under UEFI
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22:25 < brocashelm> yes, i always use legacy. in fact, this is a core2 quad cpu (no uefi here)
22:26 < brocashelm> any experience using obsdfreqd? i set -T 50 and -m 80 to try to tame my cpu spikes
22:26 < brocashelm> how would i be able to run this daemon automatically from the start? which file to look for?
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22:27 < sibiria> rcctl enable obsdfreqd
22:27 < sibiria> rcctl set obsdfreqd flags -x 123 -y 456 -etc
22:28 < sibiria> if you want it to be more responsive you can set a lower threshold for when it ramps up freq. (-r), and a shorter sampling interval (-t)
22:29 < sibiria> for my system i run: -t 333 -s 25 -d 50 -r 15 -i 3
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22:30 < sibiria> not entirely recommended for a snappy desktop
22:30 < thrig> (on more recent dells the legacy was buggy and the uefi pona...)
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23:04 < uwharrie> maybe it's no longer a requirements "To work fully, this does require the ports tree to be world-readable, and ${WRKDIR} to be world-readable as well (update-patches and friends won't work otherwise)." https://man.openbsd.org/bsd.port.mk#PORTS_PRIVSEP
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23:07 < pardis> it is still a requirement if you want to start the port build as an unprivileged user, that is just no longer the recommended way to build ports
23:08 < pardis> you can easily find out in CVS when that section was removed: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/faq/ports/ports.html.diff?r1=1.48&r2=1.49&f=h
23:08 < pardis> specifically, when privsep was added, which means that starting the build as root will now drop privileges for the actual build, which is more secure than building as the user that owns the files
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23:56 < brocashelm> sibiria: cool, that worked :)
23:56 < brocashelm> thanks
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