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01:00 < brocashelm> having some ftp issues after changing /etc/hosts file. pkg_info won't work now
01:01 < fro> so revert the changes to /etc/hosts
01:02 < pardis> or be more specific
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01:06 < brocashelm> what i did was add my hostname between the two on the first line (ipv4)
01:06 < brocashelm> and then i could not use pkg
01:06 < brocashelm> reverted and rebooted. going to check now...
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01:11 < brocashelm> nope, not working
01:11 < brocashelm> here's some info: https://dpaste.org/ihPaU
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01:12 < pardis> that error looks unrelated to your /etc/hosts
01:12 < brocashelm> i can otherwise use the internet, such as browsing web sites or signing onto irc (machine i am typing this from is a different one)
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01:13 < pardis> what happens if you try 'ping cdn.openbsd.org'?
01:13 < pardis> what is in /etc/resolv.conf?
01:13 < brocashelm> ping: no address associated with name
01:14 < brocashelm> https://dpaste.org/TU5hL
01:15 < pardis> and what does 'dig @192.168.254.254 cdn.openbsd.org' say?
01:15 < pardis> and variations thereof
01:15 < pardis> 'dig @192.168.254.254 zombo.com', 'dig @9.9.9.9 cdn.openbsd.org'
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01:17 < brocashelm> for the first one: https://dpaste.org/9u4vh
01:17 < pardis> okay, so that resolver is returning an IP address
01:18 < pardis> what about 'getent hosts cdn.openbsd.org' and 'getent hosts zombo.com'?
01:19 < brocashelm> second/third ones: https://dpaste.org/sLHxj
01:21 < brocashelm> for getent hosts: https://dpaste.org/Pvf4v
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01:24 < pardis> and 'ping cdn.openbsd.org' still says no address associated with name?
01:24 < pardis> very strange, if so, since your system can clearly resolve that name
01:24 < brocashelm> yeah, i noticed this happening after i modified my /etc/hosts file
01:24 < brocashelm> i thought it was due to that alone
01:25 < brocashelm> changing to a different mirror still didn't solve anything, yet the previous mirror could be accessed via browser if it wasn't enabled as installurl
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03:16 < brocashelm> still no working solution...
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03:35 < rsjw> you have the dns problem? did you try sh /etc/netstart?
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03:54 < brocashelm> yes, and it still did nothing
03:54 < brocashelm> still on that annoying ping error
03:54 < brocashelm> not really an issue, as long as i can update some other way
03:55 < brocashelm> i think once i changed /etc/hosts, that's when it happened
03:55 < brocashelm> i placed my hostname between the ip and localhost on the first line
03:55 < brocashelm> even after undoing it, no change to the error
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07:06 < Voyager_MP> Whatfor do I need /usr/obj ? I'm thinking of using it for /altroot 
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07:13 < lts> Voyager_MP: https://man.openbsd.org/hier
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07:15 < Voyager_MP> Ok thx, since its a firewall and I have no builds there, I will reuse it. 
07:16 < lts> Should be fine if you never plan to compile openbsd from source
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07:46 < Voyager_MP> is there a simple way, to check if files under /etc differ from the original ? 
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07:53 < Filystyn> and the syspatch arrived!
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07:53 < Filystyn> hope more patches waiting for us
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07:56 < rueda> Voyager_MP: compare with contents of /var/sysmerge/etc.tgz
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08:06 < brocashelm> something is definitely messed up with my network config. i'm using a desktop with ethernet. how can i reset it completely to default settings? i've tried the commands from earlier, but nothing is resolving the ping issue when trying to use pkg_add (says couldn't associate the address from the url)
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08:07 < brocashelm> i know it's not officially supported, but is there a taskbar applet that i can use to connect to or disconnect from the internet? i downloaded nmctl, but it's not loading
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08:16 < renaud> Filystyn: why do you hope there with be more patches? Having a patch means there was a failure of some kind somewhere, so this is not something that one would want to happen.
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08:22 < Filystyn> there are bugs this moment
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09:15 < Voyager_MP> @rueda doas diff -ru /tmp/1/etc /etc if I ran it like this, can I generate a diff file per config file ? 
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09:18 < IcePic> it becomes one diff, but you can cut out per-file parts if you absolutely must
09:18 < IcePic> per-file requires you to somehow handle "exists in src but not dst", "not in src but in dst" cases too
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09:28 < Filystyn> what alternatives for latex ?
09:29 < Filystyn> I was thinking about doing doctorate but latex.. Is there really no other tool ?
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09:36 < schillingklaus> what's wrong with latex?
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09:39 < Filystyn> I had this kind of problem well it was few years ago I was nearly having final version of master thesis. Some minor fiexs and...
09:39 < Filystyn> I used linux at that time. After system update it turned out the picture generating package was removed
09:40 < Filystyn> And I had to use new one. Great stuff wasted so much time on bs problem like this
09:41 < Filystyn> I doubt I can regenerate  master thesis latex file to pdf
09:41 < Filystyn> anymore
09:42 < Filystyn> probably all moduls changed
09:42 < Filystyn> hehe
09:42 < Filystyn> You know what Ill try to do it later
09:42 < Filystyn> just to see if it's possible to make it work after 5 yeas 
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10:00 < Voyager_MP> does anyone know if iked checks any dns srv names ? 
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10:13 < brocashelm> hmmmm, i definitely think i fucked up my dns servers somehow
10:13 < brocashelm> internet connection works, but pinging servers does not
10:13 < brocashelm> so i can only manage my packages locally
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11:45 < dbohdan[phone]> I was looking for an OpenBSD replacement for renameutils and found this pretty helpful list: https://blog.increasinglyadequate.com/posts/rename_files.html
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12:43 < renaud> I am wondering if the following line is really sane in /etc/protocols man page BUGS: A name server should be used instead of a static file
12:44 < brocashelm> found a working solution for my dns problem: installed dhcpcd and that made it possible for me to ping servers (probably some bad ipv6 config?)
12:44 < brocashelm> also, is there any way i can install a kde package without invoking pulseaudio?
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13:22 < IcePic> renaud: sounds like it was written when networks used YP for most lookups
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13:23 < thrig> when some networks used YP, and others didn't like a grand big central point of failure
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13:23 < renaud> IcePic: that's what I thought, but you cannot change protocols trough YP as you cannot communicate with the server without the file being there first
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13:24 < renaud> that sounds more like, I copied the manpage over multiple files looking like the same and forgot to remove that sentence
13:25 < pardis> but you could have an NFS mount synthesise the content of /etc/protocols based on YP lookups
13:25 < pardis> probably shouldn't, but could
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13:25 < thrig> some sites really liked that big central point of failure
13:26 < thrig> these are the folks who mount NFS on the DNS and kerberos servers, so when NFS goes down, so does DNS and kerberos
13:26 < renaud> well, if, on one machine you change the protocol numbers for udp/tcp, you cannot communicate with a server with different protocol numbers
13:27 < renaud> so I don't feel like it should be listed in BUGS
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14:03 < jschpp> o/ I'm trying to set up scooper (https://git.causal.agency/scooper/about/) as far as I can tell kfcgi is running an the socket exists. but when trying to open the site httpd errors out with an "No such file or directory (500 Internal Server Error)"
14:03 < jschpp> any idea what I'm doing wrong? or where I might check?
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14:15 < jschpp> nvm... I somehow overlooked the "socket is a local path name within the chroot(2) root directory of httpd(8) " part of the man
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14:48 < holsta> Any clues how I define a variable in a port Makefile that is recognised as a cmake variable later in the build?
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14:50 < Lucas6023> holsta: if you share your WIP, it might be easier to understand
14:51 < Lucas6023> also, it might be the case that you need to patch, instead of defining variables
14:53 < holsta> Lucas6023: I am trying to port ImHex. They use dependecies as git submodules, but if I define IMHEX_IGNORE_BAD_CLONE, I can skip that check.
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14:55 < holsta> Lucas6023: https://github.com/holsta/mystuff/tree/master/devel/imhex if that helps.
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15:08 < kodcode> Hi. I want to set up a trunk interface. Running sh /etc/netstart returns: ifconfig: SIOCSTRUNKPORT: Device busy \ ifconfig: SIOCSTRUNKPORT: Device busy . Any help?
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15:11 < IcePic> a guess would be if the child device(s) are configured when you try to trunk on top of them?
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15:13 < kodcode> hostname.mue0 has only one line, "up". And hostname.bwfm0 (WiFi) has two lines: nwid mySSID wpakey myPassword \ up
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15:15 < kodcode> hostname.trunk0: trunkproto failover trunkport mue0 \ trunkport bwfm0 \ inet 192.168.8.111 0xffffff00
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15:16 < Lucas6023> holsta: try with any of `MAKE_ENV+= IMHEX_IGNORE_BAD_CLONE="1"` and `CONFIGURE_ENV= IMHEX_IGNORE_BAD_CLONE="1"`
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15:18 < Lucas6023> oh, ignore that, actually
15:18 < Lucas6023> it's a cmake option https://github.com/WerWolv/ImHex/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L8
15:19 < Lucas6023> I believe that `CONFIGURE_ARGS += -DIMHEX_IGNORE_BAD_CLONE=on` does what you need
15:19 < Lucas6023> and move to query if something else comes up, as this became too specific
15:19 < Lucas6023> sorry for the noise ^^
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15:24 < holsta> Lucas6023: Thank you!
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16:20 < Zyxer> Hi. I don't know if this is the right forum to ask about pf, but no matter what I try I can't get my OpenBSD router to accept unsolicited connections. Not even ping despite me adding imcp rule to allow it. 
16:21 < clicker> have you made sure you can ping your router without pf enabled?
16:23 < Lucas6023> Zyxer: show pf.conf and relevant /etc/hostname.* files
16:23 < Zyxer> Without pf I get no network at all. Or, at least the things that are connected to it, now that I think about it I have not checked if the router has internet without pf.
16:23 < Zyxer> Lucas6023: https://clbin.com/Jx964
16:24 < Zyxer> Lucas6023: This is my interface for WAN https://clbin.com/8Yzm0
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16:25 < Zyxer> this is my wireguard interface (I am trying to setup VPN) https://clbin.com/Iguj8
16:25 < Lucas6023> first, I'd try removing wg nat rule
16:25 < Lucas6023> dhcp is long deprecated, btw, and right now is basically equivalent to only `inet autoconf`
16:26 < Lucas6023> `dhcp` as in the line in https://clbin.com/8Yzm0, not the technolody :p
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16:27 < Lucas6023> another minor thing in your pf.conf is that you set `skip on wg` and then go defined rules on wg0
16:27 < Zyxer> Yea I suspected since I never needed it but since stuff not work and I am new to OpenBSD I tried even the kitchen sink. But thanks for the statement, gonna clean up
16:27 < Lucas6023> they will be skipped
16:28 < Zyxer> Ok, and lo will work despite the interface being lo0?
16:28 < Lucas6023> yes, `lo` affects the `lo` group, which in turn includes all the loN interfaces
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16:29 < Zyxer> In order to use the new pf.conf I just do pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf, no need ti disable and then enable?
16:30 < Lucas6023> the advice of clicker is also spot-on: start easy and work in small steps. First, pf disabled until LAN works. Then basic LAN rules and recheck everything is still working. Just then add the VPN rules.
16:30 < Lucas6023> yes, no need to disable and reenable
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16:31 < Zyxer> LAN works, everything worked except ping which I noticed during debugging why wg not work
16:31 < Zyxer> It is my main router and the only issues is getting others outside my LAN to ping it or connect in any way
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16:32 < Lucas6023> well, there is `block all` and there is no `pass in on egress icmp`
16:33 < Lucas6023> (written without checking, syntax might be invalid)
16:33 < Lucas6023> the point is, you're blocking everything, and you aren't explicitly allowing a `pass` into egress
16:34 < Zyxer> Ok I just tested turning of firewall, my router still has internet LAN doesn't
16:34 < Lucas6023> you haven't shared /etc/hostname.em[23] yet
16:35 < Lucas6023> also, how do peers connected to em[23] get their config?
16:35 < Zyxer> I do have pass in on egress... Although I haven't had pass in and out at the same time. 
16:35 < Zyxer> (pass in was commented out because it didn't work)
16:37 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/vYy5e em2
16:37 < Zyxer> em3 https://clbin.com/h8x64
16:38 < Zyxer> Uh... maybe hostname.wg0 should have the range instead of NONE?
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16:43 < Zyxer> Wait I am mistaken you are correct I do not have pass in on egress icmp
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16:52 < Zyxer> Ok I got ping working. 
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17:05 < Zyxer> Lucas6023: I'm not sure what you mean how peers connected to em[23] get their config?
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19:17 < Zyxer> ok so why doesn't chown work? doas chown -R user /path/to/folder
19:19 < Zyxer> it says chown: /path/to/folder/file invalid argument
19:21 < Zyxer> folder is a mounted drive if that makes a difference
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19:21 < oldlaptop> What filesystem does the "mounted drive" use?
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19:22 < Zyxer> fat32
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19:22 < oldlaptop> fat32 does not support UNIX ownership and permissions
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19:23 < Zyxer> Oh, I see. How can I get write access to it as user instead of root?
19:23 < oldlaptop> see mount_msdos(8) for how you can affect the fake ownership and permissions that openbsd has to invent when it mounts such a filesystem
19:23 < Zyxer> Thanks!
19:23 < oldlaptop> you probably want the -m option
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19:24 < thrig> make mounts fake again?
19:25 < Zyxer> I just want read and write access as user 
19:26 < oldlaptop> You would either use some combination of the -m, -g, and -u options, or set permissions on the mount point, as described in mount_msdos(8)
19:27 < oldlaptop> I believe -m expects an octal mode - rwxrwxrwx is all ones, or octal 0777
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19:29 < Zyxer> It inherits the ownership of the folder you mount it in. I jsut changed ownership of the folder ez  
19:30 < Zyxer> well, umount, ownership, mount
19:30 < oldlaptop> That's what I mean by the "mount point", if that wasn't clear
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19:31 < Zyxer> Õ_o
19:31 < Zyxer> Thanks! 
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19:39 < PyR3X> is it possible to issue shell commands as part of an autoinstall?
19:39 < PyR3X> i.e. setup full disk encryption
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19:41 < pardis> not before disk setup, no
19:41 < pardis> and in any case it does not make sense to set up FDE automatically
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19:42 < pardis> you'd have to either store the passphrase somewhere reachable on the network, or have a keydisk attached to the computer permanently
19:42 < pardis> the former of which completely defeats the purpose of FDE, and the latter might theoretically provide some small protection against disk theft
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19:43 < oldlaptop> they'll never guess that tiny USB drive on the back is the key!
19:43 < oldlaptop> (and indeed they might not...)
19:44 < PyR3X> could it not be the same as doing "echo password | encrypt" and storing it as you would root/user accounts in the autoinstall?
19:44 < PyR3X> I see support is being added to the installer
19:44 < PyR3X> https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenBSD-Guided-Disk-Encryption
19:45 < rsjw> there are no default root/user passwords
19:45 < pardis> but excluded from autoinstall, for exactly these reasons
19:45 < pardis> and no, hashing a password is a completely different operation from using a passphrase to encrypt a disk
19:45 < pardis> the only similarity, in fact, is that you input something secret with a keyboard
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19:48 < PyR3X> so what exactly is the limitation with allowing this in autoinstall8)
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19:49 < pardis> the requirement to provide a cleartext passphrase over the network
19:49 < pardis> there is no technical reason why it couldn't be done, it's just completely pointless
19:49 < pardis> for the same reason you can't create a passwordless root account by default
19:50 < rsjw> at what point would the password be going over the network?
19:51 < pardis> when autoinstall(8) fetches the install.conf over http
19:51 < pardis> or when bsd.rd is fetched, if you've put your auto_install.conf in there
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19:54 < PyR3X> is it possible then to setup autoinstall to answer all questions and just prompt for the passphrase then? As expected I don't even see the option during autoinstall
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19:57 < pardis> I don't think so, autoinstall is primarily intended for unattended installation, not skipping some keypresses
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20:02 < phy1729> You could maybe have a default password and then replace it in install.site, but that's a bit gross
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20:23 < brocashelm> i'm on 7.3-current and can't install/upgrade gtk4-update-icon-cache-4.10.3p1 because of gtk+4-4.10.1 and gtk-update-icon-cache-3.24.37: https://dpaste.org/EjGm8
20:23 < brocashelm> should i just wait until a new version is available to match the dependencies?
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20:23 < avemestr> brocashelm: pkg_add -u might be worth a try.
20:24 < brocashelm> avemestr: tried that already. no dice
20:24 < holsta> brocashelm: I had similiar (mirror?) issues yesterday. 
20:24 < avemestr> brocashelm: Are you on snapshots?
20:24 < brocashelm> avemestr: i ran sysupgrade -s and am now on 7.3-current
20:25 < holsta> brocashelm: I ended up switching /etc/installurl to a different mirror.
20:25 < brocashelm> also, for xfce4-session-logout screen, what packages might i be missing if i can't use shut down, reboot, suspend, etc. but log out only? i thought it might've been something to do with polkit (i got that lxqt-policykit package installed)
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20:25 < brocashelm> holsta: i'm using cdn.openbsd.org
20:26 < brocashelm> i was having ping issues yesterday, but after installing dhcpcd and enabling it via rcctl, that's no longer an issue
20:26 < holsta> brocashelm: so was I. Maybe they are having trouble. Who knows. 
20:27 < fro> just wait it out or switch mirrors
20:27 < fro> it happens sometimes
20:27 < brocashelm> fro: i'll try a different mirror
20:27 < fro> it'll reconcile eventually
20:28 < rsjw> it has been recommended to try a non-CDN mirror when you're using -current
20:28 < brocashelm> got it
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20:29 < brocashelm> really enjoying openbsd thus far. my first install on actual hardware (spare pc for now while i use gnu/linux for everything else)
20:29 < brocashelm> https://transfer.sh/uGRxfq/screenshot.png
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20:31 < xtile> that art from anything in particular, brocashelm?
20:31 < fro> also look at the xfce readme if you want to use shutdown, etc
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20:35 < kodcode> Could someone kindly look into this, I am trying to set uup a trunk interface, but Wifi does not work: https://privatebin.net/?0de1124a0016ff97#AmYyF2sNTUjA23j1G2P4534Tz33WvQhgRZuLpMgz9E82
20:35 < brocashelm> xtile: slayers (manga series)
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20:36 < brocashelm> fro: traditionally, if i removed polkit/policykit on gnu/linux, xfce's session logout prompt would only have log out available. i checked with pkg_info and i have the polkit packages installed
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20:38 < fro> did you read the pkg readme?
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20:38 < fro> i've never used it but i assume it has one
20:39 < fro> there's probably one for polkit and xfce
20:39 < brocashelm> fro: gonna go give it a shot. still very new to the world of *BSDs
20:39  * brocashelm bookmarks openbsdhandbook.com
20:40 < fro> yeah don't use that
20:40 < fro> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/meta/xfce/pkg/README-main
20:40 < brocashelm> k
20:41 < brocashelm> reading "Logging out and shutting down the computer" section
20:42 < avemestr> brocashelm: On most packages after you "pkg_add" them, they mention READMEs that ought to be read. They come with the package, so you don't need to Google.
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20:43 < avemestr> brocashelm: The handbook site is not official in any way, it might have some good info, but for the up-to-date info on the system refer to the FAQ on openbsd.org and/or man pages.
20:43 < brocashelm> i see
20:43 < brocashelm> will do
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22:55 < xse> anyone here knows of a program that would copy + clone/crop/resize windows with the whole click forwarding/through and so on ? something like https://github.com/LorenzCK/OnTopReplica does on MS windows. My google-fu didn't lead me anywhere
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