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01:07 < brocashelm> what's a good program for mapping controller buttons to key presses (similar to joy2key, qjoypad, antimicro, etc.)? and, how to define hotplug rules so that if i remove a usb device (like a game controller), i can put it back on and the kernel will detect it right away? is this supported in openbsd?
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01:08 < brocashelm> (reposting this as i'm not satisfied with what the official ports provide, just some qt package that i'm not even sure how to run on a gtk environment)
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01:59 < rsjw> brocashelm: have you tried hotplugd?
02:00 < rsjw> are you looking for a way to do something when it's attached, or are you just looking for the device to be able to be attached at all?
02:01 < brocashelm> rsjw: i will try hotplugd. is it something i have to enable and start with rcctl?
02:02 < brocashelm> rsjw: i guess something as close to udev (linux) as possible, where i won't lose usb access if i reinsert the device
02:02 < rsjw> I'm not sure, I've never used it, it just seems to provide a way to run scripts on hotplug events
02:02 < brocashelm> still learning as i go along. i'm digging it for the most part
02:02 < rsjw> oh, I'm not familiar with udev :/
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02:05 < brocashelm> something like libgusb or hotplug-diskmount?
02:05 < brocashelm> i see these ports
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02:12 < oldlaptop> brocashelm: OpenBSD does not have any dynamic /dev system; all of the device nodes exist all the time.
02:13 < oldlaptop> You generally won't see permissions "change" on you for that reason, with one exception I can think of (/dev/drm will automatically get chowned appropriately when you log in with xenodm)
02:15 < pardis> more generally, anything listed in fbtab(5) for tty logins and /etc/X11/xenodm/TakeConsole for xenodm logins
02:16 < pardis> er, GiveConsole, rather
02:16 < pardis> TakeConsole is for logging back out
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04:03 < brocashelm> got it
04:03 < brocashelm> as for xenodm, even though i don't mind it, i prefer the startx approach, which was unfortunately disabled by openbsd. absolutely no way for me to do that?
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04:05 < brocashelm> i am making a transition from gnu/linux systems and onto openbsd, so looking for ways to make that switch easier and more comfortable without stability issues (been stable so far for me)
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04:05 < brocashelm> i also ran into this error when trying to launch supertuxkart:
04:05 < brocashelm> [error  ] FontManager: Something wrong when loading a glyph! The error code was 7.
04:05 < brocashelm> [error  ] FontManager: /usr/local/share/supertuxkart/data/ttf/NotoColorEmoji.ttf doesn't have color, ignored.
04:05 < brocashelm> and then it segfaults
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04:20 < phy1729> xinit still works, but there's no support for it, so it may break
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04:24 < brocashelm> so, if i'm on a tty screen, just run xinit command?
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04:39 < byteskeptical> if anyone is interested a working updated version of the irssi wrapper posted earlier: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/87748f3c/
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08:34 < ben-linux23> hi all, well i just installed openbsd on my lenovo legion 5 amd laptop and my Synopsys DesignWare I2C controller doesn't work nor does my iwx wifi this is my (no lie) first openbsd install and idk how to enable these i looked at the man page im still lost tbh
08:35 < ben-linux23> and i dont use IRC much so im not sure how to properly troubleshoot this
08:35 < ben-linux23> and im no lie a unix newbie
08:35 < ben-linux23> i never ran a unix os till just now
08:36 < ben-linux23> and i did google "lenovo legion 5 openbsd" i found no coverage for this weirdly
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08:37 < bsandro> what's that i2c controller for?
08:38 < ben-linux23> my trackpad
08:38 < ben-linux23> rn i have to use a usb mouse and thats tbh annoying
08:38 < bsandro> are you trying stable or snapshot version?
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08:39 < ben-linux23> im using 6.7 as i am (sorry to say) a kde4 fanatic, the other available DEs are meh to me, and i tried KDE5 in linux and i couldnt stand it or other desktops and i DONT fancy a tiling or other WM options
08:40 < ben-linux23> i tried standalone WMs they're just a pain for me
08:40 < ben-linux23> i dont like them at all
08:41 < ben-linux23> my friend backyard tech on youtube even said kde4 looks nicer than 5
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08:43 < ben-linux23> anywho the trackpad doesn't work, and i have a nvidia rtx 2060 dgpu and i have apu and dgpu enabled rn, there's no option in my bios to run the apu by itself, only switching or the dgpu only
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08:44 < ben-linux23> and this is a gaming based laptop
08:44 < bsandro> 6.7 is unsupported and outdated essentially
08:44 < bsandro> try booting 7.3 and see if your wifi and trackpad are getting initialized
08:44 < ben-linux23> alrighty
08:44 < ben-linux23> ill download 7.3 n reinstall
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08:49 < ben-linux23> ok it says failed to load init firmware on 7.3
08:49 < ben-linux23> for the wifi
08:50 < renaud> what does it show if you run fw_update?
08:50 < ben-linux23> im not installed yet
08:50 < ben-linux23> im in the installer usb rn
08:51 < ben-linux23> and idk how to copy it from a usb tbh
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08:52 < ben-linux23> as i said renaud this is my 1st ever unix install
08:53 < bsandro> can you use wired network maybe? at least during install, it can ease the process a little bit
08:53 < ben-linux23> yeah i just plugged that in
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08:58 < ben-linux23> yep its installing over ethernet
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09:00 < IcePic> ben-linux23: chances are it can grab the firmware after install or at next boot if you leave the eth connected, then you can go wireless afterwards
09:00 < ben-linux23> ok
09:01 < ben-linux23> booting into 7.3 rn
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09:02 < ben-linux23> and wow my trackpad works yay
09:03 < ben-linux23> and when i login to my root user it stopped oddly
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09:08 < ben-linux23> i dropped to a terminal i ran fw_update idk how to install them
09:09 < ben-linux23> i ran it with -a it says updated none
09:10 < bsandro> it probably installed what it needed during the boot
09:10 < ben-linux23> ok
09:10 < bsandro> with 'ifconfig' you can check if your wifi got recognized
09:11 < ben-linux23> yep it did and its connected it says
09:11 < ben-linux23> to my dads wifi
09:11 < ben-linux23> and its pinging google yay
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09:16 < ben-linux23> well now to install a gui
09:20 < brocashelm> window manager only or a full desktop?
09:21 < ben-linux23> i tried wm only didnt like it tbh
09:21 < ben-linux23> was ngl too tough for me on e.g. a linux os
09:22 < ben-linux23> so i tend to go xfce
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09:38 < brocashelm> i also use xfce
09:39 < brocashelm> coming from debian-based distros, xfce felt right at home for me. got most of my settings imported to the openbsd side (have a spare pc i'm customizing from the ground up)
09:40 < brocashelm> oh, he left
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10:00 < ben-linux23> im back guys i got xfce to load but i have no trackpad on 7.3 still, idk why i tried running rcctl enable dwiic it doesn't find dwiic as a service
10:01 < ben-linux23> and i do have a synopsys design i2c trackpad
10:02 < ben-linux23> and i didnt see any info online how to enable that device
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10:02 < ben-linux23> and it bugs me like heck to use a mouse via usb or bluetooth
10:03 < ben-linux23> i ran sudo rcctl enable dwiic it says, service dwiic does not exist, idk why
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10:21 < IcePic> rcctl is used to start daemons, not load drivers
10:21 < ben-linux23> ah then how do i load the driver?
10:21 < ben-linux23> sorry for me being so dang new
10:22 < ben-linux23> and i want said driver to load on boot too
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10:29 < schillingklaus> rcctl is vastly superior to systemd
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10:30 < IcePic> ben-linux23: mostly, openbsd loads all the drivers it can, and knows how to, and then skips the rest. Perhaps the exception is the drivers that come with firmwares that need to be downloaded with fw_update, but apart from that, the results are more or less binary. If it is meant to work, it works, and if it isn't then you can't make it work
10:30 < ben-linux23> ok
10:31 < IcePic> which is both a curse and a blessing. The middle step where the OS somewhat knows that needs to be done, but still is not doing it is a weird stance to take in order to give you a working system
10:32 < ben-linux23> yeah i tried doing sudo fw_update dwiic it didnt do anything
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10:35 < IcePic> it usually says what it did, if anything. # fw_update                                                                 
10:35 < IcePic> fw_update: added none; updated none; kept intel
10:35 < brocashelm> rcctl is great. i find it much easier to use than even "traditional" inits like sysv
10:35 < ben-linux23> yeah it says fw_update: added none, updated none; kept amdgpu,iwx,uvideo,vmm
10:36 < ben-linux23> so apparently my dwiic firmware isnt loaded or installed
10:36 < brocashelm> it's recommended to use doas instead of sudo
10:36 < ben-linux23> i dont favor doas sorry
10:36 < ben-linux23> the syntax confuses me
10:36 < ivdsangen> "dmesg" output could tell if dwiic is recognized and configured or not
10:37 < IcePic> http://firmware.openbsd.org/firmware/7.3/index.txt <- no mention of dwiic there
10:37 < ben-linux23> i ran sudo dmesg | grep dwiic and it does show a device yet my trackpad still doesn't move when i touch it
10:37 < ben-linux23> ok that sucks..
10:39 < ben-linux23> but weirdly dwiic is mentioned in my install's dmesg
10:40 < IcePic> mention like this: "dwiic at acpi0 not configured" ?
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10:41 < ben-linux23> no it says dwic at acpi0 i2cd addr 0xfedc500 etc.
10:41 < ben-linux23> iic0 at dwiic0
10:41 < IcePic> ok, just checking
10:41 < ben-linux23> ok
10:42 < ben-linux23> so yeah it should be working i think, but not sure
10:42 < IcePic> anything attaches to iic0 then?
10:43 < IcePic> since its a bus
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10:43 < ben-linux23> not sure
10:43 < ben-linux23> it says iic0 at dwiic0
10:43 < ben-linux23> nothing under it though
10:43 < IcePic> dmesg|grep iic
10:44 < ben-linux23> yeah it shows ihdev0 and spedmem0 and spedmem1 and iic2 at piixpm0
10:44 < ben-linux23> so lots of output
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10:46 < IcePic> probably ihidev0
10:46 < ben-linux23> i would think but not positive
10:49 < ben-linux23> now to get it working hmm
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13:35 < markand> o/
13:35 < markand> I have two files in /lost+found, calling file on it reports "ld.so hints file", can I assume I can ignore for now?
13:36 < thrig> probably
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13:37 < sibiria> stuff in lost+found are almost aways things that were unlinked from the file system. most common exception is if you had a crash and the file system uses softdep, then you'll often see lost files ending up there
13:38 < sibiria> typically new files created the past few minutes before the crash
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13:56 < markand> sibiria, understood, thanks
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14:25 < IcePic> markand: I also think ld.so.hints is rebuilt at boot so it should be safe to ignore
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14:32 < phy1729> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/etc/rc#L612-L617
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17:12 < n4dir> i used the installation image install73.img and put it with dd on a USB stick. After partitioning of the filesystem, when it comes to "Install sets", i can't figure out how to point the isntaller to the location of the sets
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17:13 < pardis> you tell it which disk the sets are on
17:14 < n4dir> are they on the USB stick or on disk?
17:15 < pardis> on the USB stick, which is a disk as far as the system is concerned
17:16 < n4dir> if i answer: no, it is not mounted, the installer proposes me all of sd0-sd5, which i understand as the hardisk of the PC where i want to install to
17:16 < n4dir> if i answer: yes, it is mounted, then it can't find it
17:17 < pardis> sd0 through sd5 are 5 different disks
17:17 < pardis> you will need to work out which one is the USB stick
17:17 < rsjw> 6 different disks
17:17 < pardis> yes, thanks
17:17 < pardis> off-by-one errors strike again
17:17 < pardis> you can type ! to escape to a shell and inspect the disks
17:17 < pardis> 'dmesg | grep sd0', 'fdisk sd0' and 'disklabel sd0' may be helpful
17:17 < rsjw> it happens to everytwo
17:17 < n4dir> there are not five harddisks on the PC, only one. 
17:17 < pardis> 'dmesg | grep ^sd' to get a quick overview of all disks
17:18 < pardis> nevertheless, the OS is seeing six disks
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17:24 < n4dir> looks like the USB stick is sd1-sd5. I dd again, then will try again, thanks
17:25 < pardis> a USB stick would typically only show up as a single sd device
17:25 < pardis> it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that you have some funky hardware that actually identifies as 5 USB sticks
17:26 < n4dir> if all fails i will go for a CD.
17:27 < pardis> there is also probably no need to dd again unless you have erased something on the USB stick
17:27 < pardis> just tell the installer which disk the sets are on
17:27 < pardis> if all else fails, just try each of sd1-sd5 in turn
17:27 < n4dir> ok
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17:31 < n4dir> "which is the root disk". Again i am not sure if it asks for the USB stick which contains the installer or where to install too?
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17:32 < pardis> how did you get back there?
17:32 < pardis> that question comes way before choosing the sets
17:32 < pardis> but that is the disk to install to
17:32 < n4dir> i dd'ed again, then bootet again
17:32 < n4dir> ok, thanks
17:33 < rsjw> "which disk will contain the root directory for the install" would be a clearer way to say it
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17:35 < n4dir> pardis: just going through all worked. It was the very last, sd5. Thanks, it is installing now
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17:43 < n4dir> and installation finished, rebooted and logged in. Great. Thanks
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19:01 < finkfox> after sysupgrade (already on 7.3-current) and pkg_add -Uu firefox-esr fails with "Couldn't load XPCOM" .. any idea, did I do something wrong?
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19:01 < finkfox> oh I guess I missed "-D snap" flag?
19:02 < finkfox> the specific error message is: XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/local/lib/firefox-esr/libmozgtk.so.9.0: Cannot load specified object
19:05 < pardis> 'pkg_add -Uu' is redundant
19:05 < pardis> -u implies -U
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19:05 < finkfox> ah ok
19:05 < pardis> also, that does not look remotely like an error from pkg_add
19:05 < pardis> and -Dsnap is not currently needed
19:05 < finkfox> searching in mailing list gave this ... https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145887488826831&w=2
19:05 < pardis> oh, I see, that's an error from firefox-esr
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19:06 < pardis> see if pkg_check brings up any inconsistencies
19:06 < pardis> otherwise you might just have to wait it out
19:06 < finkfox> ok
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19:09 < finkfox> pkg_check gives me a lot of "has too many reverse dependencies" .. remove them?
19:10 < finkfox> and "bogus reverse dependencies'
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20:27 < finkfox> pkg_add -u succeeded. with a certain page I get firefox-esr[341]: pledge "flock", syscall 131
20:27 < finkfox> causing firefox tab to crash
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20:33 < brocashelm> what's a good command or script i can use to show me the *real* amount of memory usage? similar to ps_mem.py (which only works on linux and freebsd)
20:33 < byteskeptical> finkfox_: seems you need to add flock to /etc/firefox/pledge.main or re-add if it was removed
20:34 < brocashelm> neofetch, htop, and free all report different numbers by default
20:34 < thrig> how are you defining the *real* amount of memory usage?
20:35 < byteskeptical> brocashelm: systat
20:35 < sibiria> brocashelm: top reports it accurately. it's just hard to interpret at first
20:35 < sibiria> "real" is actual amount in use, and total that has ever been allocated
20:35 < sibiria> free is the amount that has never been touched
20:36 < sibiria> cache is the amount that is currently mapped for reuse, or for allocation if needed
20:36 < finkfox_> byteskeptical: flock is already in /etc/firefox/pledge.main
20:38 < sibiria> if you add up "real tot" and "free", you land at pretty much the amount that the kernel considers available, reported early in your dmesg output as "avail mem"
20:38 < pardis> that's not correct
20:38 < pardis> free memory can go up
20:39 < pardis> so it's not "never been touched"
20:39 < sibiria> it goes up when cached pages are evicted
20:39 < pardis> it also goes up when processes using lots of memory die
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20:40 < sibiria> i'm sure he gets what i mean - it's memory that is currently not mapped by cache, not allocated by anything
20:40 < sibiria> no references to it
20:40 < pardis> sure, but that isn't at all the same thing as never having been allocated
20:41 < sibiria> but why split hairs when he's looking for answers
20:41 < sibiria> anyway, those are your numbers, brocashelm 
20:41 < pardis> I'm not splitting hairs
20:41 < Bradipo> Are you saying that Free will never increase over time?
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20:42 < sibiria> and unfortunately there's nothing you can do about the large portion missing between "real" and "available". it's what openbsd claims for itself
20:42 < brocashelm> because here's what i'm getting (just checked):
20:42 < brocashelm> neofetch: 601 mb / free: 3.60 gb / htop: 1.63 gb
20:42 < brocashelm> i know this isn't an openbsd issue as i've had it happen on gnu/linux (i've relied on ps_mem.py there)
20:43 < brocashelm> and the pc has 8 gb of ddr2 ram
20:43 < brocashelm> i tried systat, but couldn't really navigate it very well to find what i was looking for
20:43 < brocashelm> i checked on top and it reported a lower memory usage (like around 500 mb) than htop
20:44 < sibiria> top gets its info from the kernel, which is the truth
20:44 < brocashelm> i see. any way i could just access the memory part of top?
20:44 < brocashelm> since htop is much easier for me to use, but its memory reporting is sketchy
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20:45 < Bradipo> Maybe you could try vmstat(8) ?
20:45 < sibiria> top -n | grep ^Memory    <-   :P
20:47 < brocashelm> ^ will try those
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20:47 < brocashelm> and also, i noticed i have 8 gb of swap, but it's never used. would i best just disable it somehow or find a way to increase its swappiness value?
20:48 < Bradipo> Why do you want it to be "used"?
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20:49 < thrig> "I want to find some way to use up the emergency funds, or to get rid of the fund"
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20:51 < brocashelm> vmstat and the top grep command worked :) thanks!
20:51 < brocashelm> i guess just to be on the safe side if i'm using a browser
20:51 < brocashelm> but if i have 8 gb, wouldn't it be fine to disable swap altogether? never really saw it get put to real use in linux
20:51 < finkfox_> byteskeptical: found it. the problem was: XDG_CACHE_HOME=/tmp
20:52 < finkfox_> byteskeptical: not that I really understand it though
20:52 < brocashelm> and if i'm using swap, would much rather swapfile than swap partition
20:52 < sibiria> the former is faster
20:53 < byteskeptical> finkfox_: ah I see, glad you found the issue
20:53 < brocashelm> i tried swapctl (i think that was the command) to disable the swap partition and i commented the line on my fstab, but it's still being reported
20:54 < brocashelm> i've optimized my desktop to be as lean as possible, so i guess my question is an effective way to disable and remove swap altogether
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20:55 < brocashelm> vmstat reports the same memory as neofetch, so i can conclude that neofetch is also reporting the real memory, then
20:55 < Bradipo> What do you gain by disabling swap?
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20:58 < dayid> brocashelm: So you've removed swap from fstab, turned it off, rebooted, and your system still reports it
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20:59 < pardis> obviously
20:59 < dayid> On a modern system: not much; though also don't gain much (IMHO) unless you have at least your RAM+ and are going to analyze core dumps/etc
21:00 < dayid> (Sorry, my "on a modern" meaning "where you obviously have sufficient and large amounts of RAM")
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21:02 < brocashelm> i have heard usually less than 8 gb is when swap is needed
21:02 < brocashelm> dayid: yes, it still reports swap instead of 0k/0k
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21:03 < pardis> of course
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21:07 < brocashelm> ok, i figured out why
21:07 < brocashelm> i had to run swapctl -d /dev/sd0b
21:07 < brocashelm> now it's gone
21:07 < dayid> I figured that was already done when you said you did swapctl to disable it....
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21:08 < brocashelm> i thought that was the case. i'll have to reboot and check
21:08  * dayid nods
21:09 < pardis> achievement unlocked: some disk space is now permanently unused instead of just mostly unused by accident
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21:13 < Bradipo> Next achievement awarded when one figures out how to newfs /dev/sd0b and keep the data.
21:14 < Bradipo> Oh, on a similar topic... when creating mfs in swap... is there a way to have it set the permissions when it is mounted?
21:14 < thrig> and the "suddenly, the dungeons collapse about you" when the system runs out of memory
21:15 < Bradipo> I had hoped that there would be an option that would go in /etc/fstab, but I can find nothing about it.
21:16 < Bradipo> I would rather not put the permissions on the filesystem _before_ it is mounted.
21:16 < Bradipo> It does look like mfs does retain existing permissions, but that's less desirable.
21:18 < rsjw> what does "mfs in swap" even mean?
21:18 < Bradipo> Example from fstab(5): swap /tmp mfs rw,nodev,nosuid,-s=153600 0 0
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21:19 < Bradipo> -s sets the size of the filesystem, but I couldn't find an option to set the permissions.
21:19 < pardis> from mount_mfs(8): "If the -P file option is not used, the owner and mode of the created mfs file system will be the same as the owner and mode of the mount point."
21:19 < pardis> so chmod the underlying mountpoint, then mount
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21:19 < Bradipo> Well, that was kind of the point of what I wanted to avoid.
21:19 < Bradipo> I don't want permissions on the mount point _before_ mounting, only after, just like any other filesystem.
21:20 < Bradipo> As it is now, /tmp does not have permissions except after it is mounted.
21:21 < Bradipo> But, maybe -P will work...
21:21 < pardis> but /tmp is mounted before almost all things are started in /etc/rc
21:21 < Bradipo> If file is in an inaccessible location.
21:21 < pardis> what process do you have running as a non-root user that might write there before it is mounted?
21:21 < Bradipo> Yeah, could be I'm just overly paranoid.
21:23 < thrig> maybe you end up with an orphaned vi.recover directory (OH THE HUMANITY)
21:23 < Bradipo> Hmm, well, vi.recover stopped being as useful once /var/tmp and /tmp were merged.
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21:28 < brocashelm> you're right, lol, system is sluggish now
21:28 < brocashelm> i'll make the swap again
21:29 < rsjw> sounds like you need more RAM
21:29 < brocashelm> the command is newfs /dev/sd0b? and what should i put on fstab (just realized i deleted it)
21:29 < brocashelm> rsjw: i got 8 gb of ram
21:29 < thrig> one might create backups before messing around with random files
21:30 < pardis> if your swap wasn't being used, disabling it won't make your system sluggish
21:30 < brocashelm> not sure why it was in this case
21:30 < pardis> sounds like someone ran mkplacebo(8)
21:30 < Bradipo> You definitely don't want "newfs /dev/sd0b" if you're trying to recover from recent changes.
21:31 < Bradipo> Though, I don't suppose it will hurt anything if you do it.
21:31 < Bradipo> After all, it's just swap.
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21:31 < brocashelm> going to have a look at my sysctl.conf and reboot again
21:31 < gustik> isn't b reserved for swap?
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21:32 < thrig> they are fiddling around with swap Because Reasons
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21:45 < brocashelm> ok, got the swap activated again
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21:53 < brocashelm> seems like it helped to reactivate it
21:53 < brocashelm> swapctl shows the swap again
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22:05 < brocashelm> might also be my disk's health
22:05 < Bradipo> Or it could just be FF or whatever thing you're running.
22:06 < brocashelm> i'll make a backup and use a new disk (ssd likely)
22:06 < Bradipo> FF and Chrome are more and more like running an OS on top of your OS.
22:06 < brocashelm> nah, i don't even have those installed
22:06 < brocashelm> i use seamonkey
22:06 < brocashelm> but it's the startup that's a bit slower (using xfce)
22:06 < brocashelm> would use pale moon instead, but, you know...
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22:07 < brocashelm> i heard arctic fox is good
22:08 < uwharrie> same insides, just a different wrapper
22:08 < brocashelm> arctic fox? yeah, because it is a pale moon fork
22:08 < brocashelm> so i should be able to restore my stuff on it
22:08 < Bradipo> Isn't Seamonkey a FF fork?
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22:09 < brocashelm> seamonkey is a browser, rss feed reader, and e-mail client IIRC
22:09 < Bradipo> IIRC?  For someone that is claiming to use seamonkey there shouldn't be any doubt. :-)
22:10 < brocashelm> it has multiple use cases, but i know for sure it's a browser and e-mail client
22:11 < Bradipo> Pale Moon is also a fork of Firefox.
22:11 < brocashelm> yeah, older firefox
22:11 < thrig> a CVE farm with various other add-ons
22:11 < brocashelm> too bad no librewolf ports
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22:22 < oldlaptop> seamonkey is principally thunderbird and xulrunner-firefox duct taped together; there's also a dusty old WSYWIG HTML editor and chatzilla
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22:23 < oldlaptop> it's less an "FF fork" than firefox and thunderbird are forks of *it*, at least historically speaking - nowadays it's probably reasonable to think of it as one of the xulrunner-firefox forks
22:24 < Bradipo> Yeah, again, I only know what I can read, since I've never actually used it.
22:25 < dqk> it's stil what we named "internet suite" back in the days
22:25  * oldlaptop has used seamonkey for years and years
22:25 < dqk> ^
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22:30 < Bradipo> Haha, Seamonkey does have an quaint look to it.
22:30 < oldlaptop> That's the general idea
22:32 < Bradipo> I do like some of the options, though the default is poor, like "Perform a web search when entered text is not a web location".
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