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00:46 < clicker> hello everyone, i found the login_yubikey(8) manpage and it got me wanting to look into using FIDO for authentication on my system, however it's a bit unclear on what parts of the system actually support this. would doas allow me to log in with a FIDO key if configured properly?
00:47 < clicker> i'm currently using a ledger to generate and store randomized passwords and input them over usb, but i'd rather switch to using the ledger's security key functionality so that i don't have the possibility of accidentally having it type the password when i have the wrong window focused
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03:01 < Intrepid> Hi everyone, I've given Firefox rwc access to the directory in which I've got a word doc that I need to add as an attachment to a webmail service. However whenever I click "add attachment" I'm presented with a blank directory and clicking "this computer" yields the same blank screen (no directories showing). How do I solve this?
03:03 < jcs> you'll have to navigate directly to it by just typing it in the open dialog
03:03 < thrig> /tmp is allowed, so one way would be to copy files there
03:05 < Intrepid> thanks jcs and is there any special way I need to type it e.g. file:// <target folder> ?
03:06 < jcs> just /path/to/blah and 
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03:06 < jcs> then enter and it should list it
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03:43 < Intrepid> thanks again jcs it worked a treat...
03:44 < Intrepid> Does anyone else here use Graphene OS on their mobile ?
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07:46 < Voyager_MP> Hi, how do I veryfi that pfsync works clean ? 
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07:48 < IcePic> Voyager_MP: iist the states on the non-carp-master, if there are <10 states on it, and 43958 on the master, then the sync is not working ok
07:49 < Voyager_MP> Ok, thx I will check 
07:49 < IcePic> "list"*
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08:03 < Voyager_MP> systat stat | wc -l 
08:03 < Voyager_MP> like this ? 
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08:03 < IcePic> I'm sure pfctl has a dedicated way to list states, but systat probably works too
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08:08 < renaud> pfctl -s state
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08:11 < Voyager_MP> 1798 to 514 on backuppf 
08:11 < Voyager_MP> I guess its not working clean
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08:22 < engler> 7quit
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08:29 < finkfox> I noticed I have files like "pkg.23Liw3VXle" in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes .. in this case it is the readme for chromium. A file "chromium" also exists. Where do these files come from? How to best clean them up?
08:30 < schillingklaus> i guess they come from google
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08:34 < finkfox> these files called "pkg.some-random-string"? does not look like normal files to me ...
08:37 < pardis> those are temporary files created by pkg_add
08:37 < pardis> it looks like pkg_add got interrupted during an update or installation
08:37 < pardis> pkg_check might be able to clean things up, I'm not sure
08:38 < pardis> re-running pkg_add -u might also help, maybe
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08:41 < IcePic> pkg_delete -a will clean out unused half-installed packages
08:41 < IcePic> and other unneeded packages
08:42  * bittin had missed that 7.3 had a song
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09:05 < bittin> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song73.ogg
09:07 < Voyager_MP> @IcePic the states do not have to be equal, only neerly the same ?
09:07 < IcePic> nearly
09:08 < Voyager_MP> ;-) thx
09:10 < finkfox> pardis: thanks will try
09:11 < finkfox> IcePic: already tried pkg_delete -a
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09:43 < Voyager_MP> where can I read about the sysctl kernal features ? 
09:43 < sibiria> man 2 sysctl
09:43 < Voyager_MP> to easy, thx :D 
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10:27 < brocashelm> what's a command similar to watch (linux)?
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10:28 < pardis> while sleep 2; do ...; done
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10:38 < IcePic> while sleep 2; command > /tmp/cmd.txt ; clear ; cat /tmp/cmd.txt ; done
10:38 < IcePic> if command takes a while to execute
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10:48 < sibiria> brocashelm: watch is in the ports/packages, if you want the same convenience
10:48 < derpadmin> hello
10:48 < pardis> which package is it in?
10:48 < sibiria> gnuwatch
10:49 < pardis> oh, weird
10:49 < pardis> most GNU things in ports have a g- prefix, not gnu-
10:50 < pardis> watch is also not a GNU program
10:50 < pardis> so this seems like bizarre naming in more ways than one
10:50 < sibiria> the executable is also named "gnuwatch" instead of gwatch, or just watch
10:52 < sibiria> bit of an oddball, but there it is
10:52 < derpadmin> I am trying to have a cgi-bin directory with all scripts accessible ( httpd.conf(5) and slowcgi(8) ) I can make a single script works by passing the variable SCRIPT_FILENAME to slowcgi without problem but I would like to have a single cgi-bin "basket" in /cgi-bin where all scripts are accessible
10:53 < derpadmin> I keep on re-reading httpd.conf but fail to see how to send SCRIPT_FILENAME to slowcgi dynamically
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10:56 < derpadmin> https://termbin.com/ancj
10:57 < pardis> doesn't SCRIPT_FILENAME have the correct value by default here?
10:57 < pardis> httpd.conf(5) says its default is "The absolute, physical path to the script within the chroot(2) directory."
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10:58 < derpadmin> if I omit the SCRIPT_FILENAME var, httpd somehow default to /htdocs (no idea why)
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10:58 < pardis> because "If not specified, it [root] defaults to /htdocs."
10:58 < pardis> if your application is not in /htdocs, you'll want to specify 'root /wherever-it-really-is'
10:58 < pardis> this would be needed for anything to work, not just fastcgi
10:59 < derpadmin> ok, but if I change root to "/cgi-bin" it does not fing the script either (let me test)
10:59 < pardis> well, no, because then requesting /cgi-bin/foo.cgi would look for /cgi-bin/cgi-bin/foo.cgi
11:00 < derpadmin> makes sense
11:01 < derpadmin> but SCRIPT_FILENAME becomes SCRIPT_FILENAME=/cgi-bin 
11:01 < derpadmin> which is odd no?
11:06 < brocashelm> pardis, icepic, sibiria: cheers
11:06 < brocashelm> i'll install it
11:07 < derpadmin> my problem is actually capturing the name of the script to pass it to slowcgi
11:07 < n4dir> not sure if anyone read it yesterday, i asked where to put a package not in the ports/packages (application called ding, simple sh dictionary). I thought of "local" as that is where debian would do it, but then decided to use ~/bin (after quite some web research). 
11:07 < brocashelm> also, nice to know about pkg_delete -a taking care of orphaned/unused packages. keeps my openbsd leaner
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11:08 < ice303> Hi. Any idea if it's possible to get a 1 day free ticket to EuroBSDcon 2023? This is is in my Country, but I don't think I'm aple to pay for the ticket.
11:08 < n4dir> on another note the ding-sh scritpt uses "wish" from tcl/tk (?), but it is /usr/bin/wish8 (iirc). I simply changed the script to use that
11:11 < pardis> derpadmin: what I'm saying is that I don't think you need to; I think SCRIPT_FILENAME should have the correct value by default (assuming httpd finds the correct file)
11:11 < pardis> you just need to configure httpd to point to the right place
11:11 < pardis> which sounds like it means 'root /' in your case, although that might be a bad idea if you don't want anyone to be able to request /logs and see all your access logs
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11:12 < derpadmin> well, the script is in /cgi-bin (chrooted in /var/www) and the root I give the the config is "/cgi-bin"
11:13 < derpadmin> so I think it should locate it in theory
11:13 < pardis> only if you aren't requesting a path including /cgi-bin/
11:13 < pardis> if your root is /cgi-bin and you request /cgi-bin/foo.cgi, then your file must be named /cgi-bin/cgi-bin/foo.cgi
11:13 < derpadmin> ah!
11:13 < derpadmin> let me try again
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11:19 < derpadmin> it works if I put "*.cgi" in location, I will try to make it work with "/scripts/*" thanks for the heads up pardis!
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12:27 < corigins> Is anybody able to get 1000MB/s or more on OpenBSD? I had a apu2 that wouldn't really go past 550 on speedtest. Thought it was an hardware issue so I upgraded to an mini itx with an x520-t2 nic and it's the same. I enabled tso and it went up a bit to ~800.
12:27 < corigins> 1000Mb*
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12:30 < eea> 80% saturation feels a bit normal to me on all OS 
12:30 < renaud> you will never be able to use 100% of the network
12:30 < eea> with a smaller CPU/SoC, less
12:31 < corigins> I'm on a 10GB line using a 10GB nic but only utilizing < 1GB speed
12:31 < eea> then i would check the patch cables
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12:32 < eea> are you avtually getting negotiated 10Gbe link?
12:32 < sibiria> openbsd networking is notorious for being a slow performer, but if you have enough CPU grunt you should be able to get >1gbit through PF etc.
12:33 < corigins> I'm able to get 9500 Mb on other oses.
12:33 < corigins> doas ifconfig ix0 | grep media
12:33 < corigins>         media: Ethernet autoselect (10GbaseT full-duplex,rxpause,txpause)
12:33 < eea> i have several openbsd hosts with x550 nics, happily doing close to 10Gbps
12:34 < eea> with NFS
12:34 < sibiria> processing through PF, not just forwarding frames in a bridge?
12:34 < eea> PF is enabled...
12:35 < sibiria> i had a similar strange result recently when linking two 2.5G interfaces. openbsd somehow landed at exactly 941 mbit/s, the exact limit of 1 gig ethernet
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12:41 < corigins> I didn't really care about the speed until recently, been torrenting distros and notice the slow speed. Saw that the mailing list is divided with it works fine and with network stack isn't there yet. Was hoping there that's some magic commands I missed.
12:42 < sibiria> you saw those numbers with like tcpbench or iperf3?
12:45 < tommyrot> apu2 so that's expected
12:45 < corigins> speedtest-cli: 800Mbps, iperf3 single connection:100Mbps, ip3 4 connections:  400Mbps. haven't tried tcpbench yet.
12:46 < sibiria> if you've tried iperf3 no need to try tcpbench. they perform almost identically
12:47 < eea> i agree, that apu2 would not be my first choice for a 10Gbe+ host
12:48 < eea> i have an older dual xeon that struggles
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12:51 < corigins> The apu2 might not be the best hardware but it saw over 550 on other oses. I upgraded to a mini itx with a 10gb nic when I upgraded to a 10gb line. 
12:52 < eea> and the CPU on the miniITX?
12:52 < corigins> I didn't really bother me before not going over 1GB, because I didn't use it or notice. It's not even an issue to me, just curious
12:54 < corigins> i7-10700kf
12:54 < eea> and the nic is x520?
12:54 < eea> turned on flow control/TCP offloading?
12:55 < corigins> x520-t2
12:55 < tommyrot> might be worth checking the mailing list archives for experiences and state of the driver
12:56 < corigins> flow control what's that? I enabled TSO after reading an article and it went up to 800Mbs
12:58 < corigins> not openbsd related, but i found out about tco on this page https://teklager.se/en/knowledge-base/apu2-1-gigabit-throughput-pfsense/ couldn't find the other knobs.
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13:35 < rsjw> how are the xml files in /usr/X11R6/share/doc/lib* supposed to be read? I don't see any makefile to convert them to something
13:37 < thrig> less(1) works if you're good at ignoring the tags
13:37 < rsjw> yeah I was hoping for something less cluttered
13:38 < thrig> otherwise the "docbook" thing probably has parsers for it of some degree of complexity
13:38 < thrig> or you could look only at the text of the <para> with XPath, e.g. xpquery '//para/text()' /usr/X11R6/share/doc/libICE/ice.xml
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14:58 < PyR3X> during install when selecting whole disk MBR or whole disk GPT if you choose to encrypt the disk it asks you again for sd0 to use whole disk MBR or whole disk GPT. What is the difference between these? 
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17:09 < finkfox> hi. i'm looking for an mp3/audio player device, that work with external sd card, that I can (r)sync with openbsd
17:10 < finkfox> I would use an Android phone, however, due to a bug (feature?) manipulating playlists on external sd card is no longer supported.
17:10 < finkfox> any ideas/suggestions? what do you use for this?
17:11 < finkfox> I do have a FiiO X1 II, however, playlist management/syncing is rather limited. Or maybe I have not fully grasped the concept of m3u playlists?
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17:16 < oldlaptop> Sandisk's "Clip" line used to meet those requirements reasonably well, though the current production ones apparently don't have muSD slots (and are otherwise a regression compared to the old ones)
17:16 < oldlaptop> I understand they're still umass(4) devices, so would be reasonably easy to sync against the built-in memory
17:18 < oldlaptop> Hm, no, they appear to have actually (maybe?) fixed that! https://www.westerndigital.com/products/mp3-players/sandisk-clip-jam
17:21 < oldlaptop> still no vorbis support (which is IIRC still a regression - especially compared to the older ones that could run rockbox)
17:22 < sibiria> my ipod shuffle manifests as a standard USB storage device
17:23 < oldlaptop> those have some funky database on the umass device that needs to be manipulated, IIRC - the *old* clips certainly didn't
17:25 < sibiria> i have the 2nd gen shuffle (clip model), it can do both the itunes dir tree thing and just playing aac/mp3 dropped right in the root of the file system
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17:26  * oldlaptop also marvels at the fact that apple discontinued the last "iPod" some years ago
17:26 < finkfox_> I also still have an old ipod with rockbox, just wished its mechanical harddrive
17:27 < sibiria> i think the last shuffle was a great product. super tiny, loads of storage, long playtime
17:27 < oldlaptop> the whole category is more or less on its last legs - the sandisk things (and iPod shuffle, back when those lived) are in more or less the only surviving niche
17:27 < hiddener> which outputs from mixerctl are for usb speakers? I connected some Logitech s150 speakers and changed the server.device and there's no sound :(
17:27 < oldlaptop> (i.e. smaller enough than a smartphone to be meaningful)
17:27 < finkfox_> that clip jams has a very tiny display, maybe too small to organize playlists in a fun way?
17:28 < oldlaptop> finkfox_: I wouldn't be surprised. Also apparently little or no prospects for third-party firmware (the hardware is said to be <1MiB RAM)
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17:32 < finkfox_> why does it seem to be so hard to find a decent mp3/audio player? 
17:32 < finkfox_> I guess that is also sideeffect of smartphone market
17:33 < finkfox_> but if Google (Android) decides not to support playlist management on external sd cards ...
17:34 < finkfox_> ... not to forget the music streaming non-culture ...
17:35 < oldlaptop> The market for dedicated "mp3 players" is severely constrained by the existence of smartphones - it's telling that that "last iPod" was the "Touch" (i.e. iphone without the cell radio)
17:35 < finkfox_> in the clip category I have an agptek  A65X ... but its to small and for my taste to cheap (very much plastic feel)
17:36 < oldlaptop> there are a few things marketed as "audiophile mp3 players" that are actually android devices, and a few of the bottom-end flash players
17:36 < finkfox_> I would be fine with smartphone, but like I said, Anroid (Google) decided to deny playlist management on external sd cards. What a mess.
17:37 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure what you mean by that; it seems unlikely it would affect the various third-party music player apps that are available?
17:37 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: android is no choice for me. one such entry market audiophile device is fiio X1 which I got.
17:37 < oldlaptop> (that even includes mpd)
17:38 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: yes it does effect those third party music apps. developers are crying. I have the bug report right here: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/147619577
17:39 < finkfox_> now if you have a smartphone with large enough internal memory maybe you are fine. but if you want an external disk, that you also want to use with other devices, you are blocked.
17:40 < finkfox_> also, (r)syncing data (music) to android via mtp is insanely slow if not broken.
17:40 < oldlaptop> finkfox_: I mean, surely the third-party apps can manage their own playlists if they need to?
17:40 < oldlaptop> e.g. comment #19 on your bug
17:41 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: ah ok. but I'm not aware a "free" music app e.g. in f-droid store exists that would do that.
17:42 < oldlaptop> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/MediaStore.Audio.Playlists Apparently they've deprecated this whole "playlist API" entirely, in favor of "just use a stinking M3U file"
17:42 < oldlaptop> which seems more desirable anyhow
17:44 < finkfox_> my favorite music player app has this sticky bug https://github.com/VinylMusicPlayer/VinylMusicPlayer/issues/248
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17:45 < finkfox_> two weeks ago someone commented https://github.com/RetroMusicPlayer/RetroMusicPlayer would work
17:45 < finkfox_> will try
17:48 < oldlaptop> https://github.com/gateship-one/odyssey appears to support non-mediastore playlists from a quick look
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17:55 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: thanks will have a look.
17:56 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: I can confirm, RetroMusicPlayer, managing favorites/playlists with music from external sd card works.
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17:56 < finkfox_> though I wonder, where/how are those playlists stored, can I reuse them on other devices?
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17:59 < oldlaptop> https://github.com/gateship-one/odyssey/blob/677872964ace4c5eb005ea7c062b3495fff1f582/app/src/main/java/org/gateshipone/odyssey/models/PlaylistModel.java#L28 appears to support the old deprecated API, its own database, and m3u files, based on this
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18:05 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: ok will try. with retro player there is the option to save playlist to m3u file (to the external sd card)
18:07 < Bradipo> finkfox_: AGPTEK are indeed cheap, but for the most part work.
18:07 < Bradipo> And one doesn't mind if they get lost because they cost so little.
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18:11 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: on a first impression, odyssey seems very minimal. I can't really figure out how playlist management works here yet.
18:11 < oldlaptop> You queue things up as if to play them, then save that as a playlist, as far as I can tell.
18:11 < finkfox_> Bradipo: true. But for a music lover that has a large library, likes to organize and create playlists, not the right type of player.
18:12 < oldlaptop> (I would prefer to build them not-on-the-phone as m3u files.)
18:13 < finkfox_> oldlaptop: hmmm. the other player has "favorite" button, and lets you organize multiple playlists with name (e.g. I have playlist per genre)
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18:13 < finkfox_> still testing ...
18:14 < finkfox_> instead of syncing via mtp I can take out sd card and sync it directly on laptop, a bit tedious but fine with me.
18:14 < Bradipo> I don't like making playlists on the device.  Too limiting.  I prefer ls, sed, awk, vi, maybe a bit of Tcl if warranted, etc.
18:15 < finkfox_> Bradipo: you mean you create playlists on your laptop? but how do you play them on your mobile device? don't m3u lists have absolute file paths?
18:16 < finkfox_> I need to better understand m3u
18:16 < Bradipo> I don't think the paths are absolute...
18:16 < finkfox_> on laptop i can use "cmus" to manage playlists.
18:16 < finkfox_> well, with cmus they seem to be.
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18:16 < Bradipo> I have some scripts that I've written before for generating m3u for use with AGPTEK MP3 playerse.
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18:17 < Bradipo> Maybe it's absolute, but if it is, that's not hard to predict.
18:17 < finkfox_> well, if they are absolute, they may have to be updated before being used with mobile system, I assume.
18:18 < Bradipo> Well yeah, just use a script to generate the m3u with an appropriate path for the device.
18:18 < Bradipo> Especially if you are trying to maintain m3u for multiple devices.
18:18 < rsjw> I figured out how to convert it into html: xsltproc -nonet -path /usr/X11R6/share/doc/libsomething --xinclude /usr/local/share/xsl/docbook/html/docbook.xsl libsomething.xml > ~/libsomething.html
18:18 < finkfox_> Bradipo: right, going to be fun :-)
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18:23 < n4dir> i am neither in smartphones nor in playlists. Still i wonder during the whole discussion, if sshfs might help with that problem. sorry for interruption, back to listening
18:25 < finkfox_> n4dir: well, that would be for transfering files, right? instead of mtp. I could run sshd on android phone (if it works). 
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18:26 < Bradipo> I gave up on having any kind of a sensible transfer interface on Android.  Just use SD cards.
18:26 < n4dir> finkfox_: i was hoping that it (kinda) gets mounted, it might ! help. I move files to the phone that way, mainly as it is easy for me. But, as said, i am really not in the internals of phones. 
18:27 < n4dir> openBSD seems to have a slightly different approach regarding sshfs too, if the web is correct. Anyway: good luck for your general problem
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18:32 < oldlaptop> Bradipo: :( have to concur
18:33 < oldlaptop> n4dir: I wouldn't bother with sshfs (as opposed to sftp(1)) for an application like that, on openbsd at any rate
18:34 < oldlaptop> possible exception if you have some media player application whose "sync with this folder^Wmp3-player" feature you really like, or something
18:34 < n4dir> as said: i got no idea about playlists. It was only a short note that i thought of it, not more. oldlaptop 
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18:55 < rachad> hello can anyone help me contact the developers of the unlicensed files in the kernel
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18:56 < phy1729> Which files?
18:57 < rachad> there are many i can get the list if you wish but it will take some time i would need to come back wen i do that
18:57 < oldlaptop> Can you give one or two examples?
18:57 < rachad> all the unlicensed files in the kernel phy1729 
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18:57 < rachad> okay oldlaptop let me see
18:58 < jcs> so you don't even have a list of files but you expected someone to have a list of the developers of all of those files ready to give you?
18:59 < rachad> jcs: i have the list already but not sorted with unlicensed files alone
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19:02 < rachad> oldlaptop: example arch/alpha/compile/RAMDISKC/Makefile and arch/alpha/conf/Makefile.alpha and arch/alpha/include/reloc.h
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19:03 < oldlaptop> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/arch/alpha/compile/RAMDISKC/Makefile?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup does not look like what I would call "copyrightable"
19:03 < rachad> you can find the full list here https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/~team/documentation/todo.git/about/hyperbk-file-list.md
19:04 < rachad> under License(s) scroll down and you will find all the unlisenced files
19:04 < oldlaptop> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/arch/alpha/include/reloc.h?rev=1.3&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup is not quite so blindingly clear, but also doesn't seem particularly likely to be copyrightable
19:05 < oldlaptop> In either case, the CVS history is there if for some reason you need to know (say) that art@ committed the bulk of that reloc.h content
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19:06 < rachad> oldlaptop: what we wanna do is relicense the under CCO if its possible
19:06 < rachad> the/them*
19:07 < oldlaptop> Out of curiosity, how exactly did you(?) decide what the difference is between "trivial" and "non-trivial"?
19:07 < jcs> does Hyperbola actually create anything novel or is this just like Libreboot that takes the hard work of coreboot developers and strips out files they don't like and slaps their own name on it?
19:08 < rachad> trivial with license and non-trivial without license and with more than 10 lines of code including comments
19:09 < oldlaptop> this is unlikely to match a court's definition of what is and (more importantly) is not reasonably subject to copyright
19:09 < jcs> why do you feel entitled to put licenses on files you had no hand in creating?
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19:11 < rachad> jcs: we are trying to make from BSD, it will be fully free, modular (similarto UNIX modular design), with focus to be a GPLed BSD system
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19:11 < jcs> lol, ok
19:12  * oldlaptop will go way out on a limb and predict that openbsd developers as a general group will not be wildly enthusiastic about this "focus"
19:12 < rachad> HyperbolaBSD is under a progressive migration by replacing all non GPL-compatible code. It will be replaced with new compatible code under Simplified BSD License. We do this in order to incorporate GPL code from other projects such as ReactOS, as well new future code from scratch.
19:13 < oldlaptop> I guess I don't really want to know the answers to any of the questions that raises.
19:15 < rachad> oldlaptop: can you at least help me understand what to do and if its possible to get the consent of the developers who created those unlicensed file to license them under CCO
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19:16 < rachad> we need to use copywrited files
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19:17 < rachad> otherwise we will recreate them from scratch and its possible but will take much of our time
19:17 < jcs> wow, you mean making an operating system takes time?
19:17 < phy1729> You need to do the work to figure out where those files came from and who wrote them
19:18 < rachad> okay phy1729 will do that then
19:18 < oldlaptop> Assuming you do work out who to bug about a file that consists, in full, of `.include "../Makefile.ink"`, I would expect nothing but laughter
19:18 < oldlaptop> Even if the file actually says Makefile.inc
19:21 < oldlaptop> More seriously, a *lot* of the files on your big giant list are unlikely to constitute copyrightable works - a big hint for that will be how difficult it is to "replace" with something that's actually original. There are only so many ways to list out a bunch of compatibility #defines, or a bunch of function signatures.
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19:22 < rsjw> given that the purpose of the GPL is to ensure that the work remains in open source projects, why do you want to have a GPL version of BSD? do you think the BSDs are not successfully maintaining their open-source status?
19:22 < oldlaptop> (And not very many ways at all to do nothing but include another makefile.)
19:26 < Emulatorman> rsjw: for now, we are planning to replace unlicensed code or nonfree ones under BSD-2 license. then we want replace non-GPL compatible code under BSD-2 license in later versions, so we could in a future implement GPL code from other projects such as ReactOS, as well do our own code from scratch.
19:26 < jcs> this all seems rather off-topic for this channel
19:28 < rachad> please tell me ... where is the commit log to this file?  https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/arch/alpha/include/reloc.h?rev=1.3&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
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19:29 < oldlaptop> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/arch/alpha/include/reloc.h
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19:34 < rachad> thank you oldlaptop is there a way i can find how to contact those developers cause i cant find an email there
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19:43 < oldlaptop> there's some point at which, if you intend to spam all the openbsd developers about random header files, you're going to need to start figuring things out yourself. It's probably this one.
19:45 < oldlaptop> (It would be great if the first thing you figured out was that it's probably not sensible to set the threshold for worrying about some random header file as "wc tells me it has ten lines".)
19:48 < rachad> thank you for your help oldlaptop we will try to investigate alone and also not spam any openbsd developer
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20:07 < gnucode> so I have had 3 panics in my OpenBSD install relating to softdep.  Does openBSD create a dump of this information somewhere?  It'll happen maybe once a month or once every two weeks.
20:07 < gnucode> I have a dell optiplex 7020.
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20:13 < derpadmin> someone was affected by this : https://urllib3.readthedocs.io/en/stable/v2-migration-guide.html#what-are-the-important-changes
20:14 < derpadmin> I just tried installing urllib3 with pip3 and it seems to install the 2.0.2 version
20:15 < derpadmin> haven't tried it, but from what I understood, they dropped support for LibreSSL
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20:15 < derpadmin> (i'm un current with python 3.10.11)
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20:24 < avemestr> It's such a weird project. What's the purpose of changes like these? https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/hyperbolabsd/hyperbk.git/commit/?id=ee498260e2f713fc8976fe3bf6789beb23e093ea
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20:26 < avemestr> "I take this book by Charles Dickens called 'A Tale of Two Cities'. I then tape my own name over his name. Now it's a different work and nobody will know. Muhahaha! World domination secured!"
20:26 < avemestr> Or... Well, IANAL.
20:28 < derpadmin> pip3 install "urllib3<2" will be the only way to install urllib3 via pip on OpenBSD from now on...
20:28 < pardis> I'm sure lengthening a string in biosboot.S could have no negative consequences at all
20:29 < derpadmin> avemestr: it is just... a copy of openbsd with the name sed/OpenBSD/HyperbolaBSD/g
20:29 < phy1729> avemestr: they have their own channel if you want to ask them
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20:45 < derpadmin> they have 5 developpers... :|
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20:52 < leah> can someone tell me where the "nv" driver exists in openbsd src. i'm trying to find it but... can't
20:52 < leah> https://man.openbsd.org/nv.4 that
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20:54 < CosmicDJ> leah: this one? https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/xenocara/driver/xf86-video-nv/
20:54 < leah> yes i believe so
20:55 < leah> i see, so it's in a separate repo: xenocara
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20:56 < leah> i was searching src cvs, wrong place
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20:59 < leah> thanks, this seems like what i was looking for
20:59 < leah> also kernel kms code
20:59 < leah> i have a gpu that works and... i want to know why :)
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21:04 < leah> i'm running coreboot on the following hardware: Dell Latitude E6400 with NVidia Quadro NVS 160M - been working on today with another dev
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21:04 < leah> anyway the vga option rom, which does init, the same one: works fine under vendor bios, crashes under nouveau(linux) on coreboot
21:04 < leah> i knew openbsd has their own nvidia driver, so i decided to try openbsd
21:04 < leah> it works... perfectly :) 3D and 2D
21:05 < rsjw> there's drm code in src/sys/dev/pci/drm but I don't know whether that's kms
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21:06 < leah> the fact that *an* os works means i'm confident in the coreboot setup. just have to debug nouveau/linux and fix whatever's wrong there
21:06 < Bradipo> I didn't think nvideo worked well at all on OpenBSD...
21:06 < leah> this is really old nvidia mind you
21:06 < leah> like 2009 gen
21:08 < leah> anyway, thanks!
21:08 < leah> i actually prefer obsd but have to test every os... gonna swap the ssh and try freebsd on this machine next
21:09 < leah> in case you're curious, this is what i've been working on: https://codeberg.org/libreboot/lbmk/commits/branch/e6400nvidia_wip 
21:09 < leah> and obsd works perfectly with it :)
21:09 < leah> s/ssh/ssd
21:10 < eea> extra points for cuda support
21:10 < eea> and i would be happy to test that wip
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21:27 < leah> well i'm probably pushing it to main soon. just fyi the build system only works on linux at the moment, but i could send you a rom to test
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21:27 < leah> (push to main, with note saying to use nomodeset in linux - and a note that obsd works nicely)
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21:30 < leah> no idea about cuda but yeah
21:31 < leah> but yeah until i fix nouveau, this is a case where openbsd works when linux doesn't
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21:43 < StellarOrbit> Hello I am back again. I reinstalled and got everything set up and I rebooted and I am getting the same issue where it says invalid argument on my encrypted drive. I am really not sure why this keeps happening. Does the OpenBSD bootloader not handle multi boot computers well? The os's are all on different drives
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21:44 < StellarOrbit> I thought it was a bad drive, so I bought a new drive and it happened again
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21:58 < leah> thanks again for pointers earlier. i've been digging through xenocara for fun
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23:32 < seninha> Fg7uoGkjp8E
23:32 < seninha> ehm, sorry
23:32 < pardis> hunter2
23:33 < seninha> (not passwd, it's a youtube video id)
23:33 < systemdsucks> why are all you pasting **********
23:35 < seninha> btw, while i'm here... i created a qcow2 disk image with vmctl create, installed linux and it runs fine. But I need to open the same disk image with qemu, but qemu-img check says the image is corrupted and cannot be opened read/write
23:35 < seninha> the other way around works (use on vmd a image created with qemu-img)
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23:36 < seninha> has someone experienced this? can `qemu-img check -r` repair the image but make it unreadable for vmd?
23:37 < seninha> i'm backuping the image (28GB, damn!) so i can repair the copy and test it on qemu
23:39 < seninha> (after 5 minutes running `qemu-img convert` without any idea of how much has been copied, i noticed there's a -p option to show progress. I'm tempted to ^C it and re-run with this flag)
23:40 < thrig> why, given what the manual says?
23:41 < seninha> nvm, manual says it supports SIGINFOO
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