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11:51 < vortexx> iftop is segfaulting on me on my APU2 running 7.3, anyone else had this issue?
11:52 < vortexx> was working fine till I had to power down the device before the weekend due to power maintenance. Tried uninstalling/reinstalling the package, same result
11:52 < vortexx> same iftop package that I built from ports runs fine on VMs
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11:56 < vortexx> top says I have 1.6G of ram free
11:58 < IcePic> perhaps try to rebuild it with debug symbols and send a trace to ports@ or the maintainer or the iftop people?
11:59 < pardis> or get a trace right now to see if it's actually segfaulting in iftop at all, or some library that you should rebuild with debug symbols instead
11:59 < IcePic> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html#Problems read through it into the debug part right after
11:59 < IcePic> and what pardis wrote
11:59 < vortexx> will do
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14:03 < kodcode> Trying to install 7.3 on a BananaPI M5. During the installation of base73 I get the follow error and the installation is stalled: Unable to mkdir ./usr/lib: Input/output error
14:03 < kodcode> tar: Unable to create ./usr/lib/libLLVM.so.7.0: No such file or directory
14:03 < kodcode> Any idea?
14:06 < phy1729> Did you run out of space?
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14:08 < kodcode> I am installting it on a 32GB SD Card. Ran fdisk -iy sdN before.
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14:11 < sibiria> did you accidentally point it towards your installation media as destination?
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14:11 < pardis> "Input/output error" sounds like faulty medium, not running out of space
14:11 < pardis> does dmesg tell you anything?
14:11 < pardis> have you tested whether you can read/write that SD card on another OS?
14:11 < sibiria> did you maybe flip the write-protect tab on the card
14:11 < sibiria> they have a tendency to get nudged on a lot of SD sockets when inserting
14:12 < kodcode> sibiria: I did, I am installing it on the the same SD card I booted from. But this has not been an issue with other boards. 
14:13 < kodcode> No dmesg messages, microSD w/o a lock.
14:13 < sibiria> yes that approach works fine as long as you really did "reinit" the partitions/labels on the card before proceeding
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14:15 < kodcode> sibiria: Hm. Didn't do anything manually. I let the installor take care of all the automatically.
14:16 < kodcode> Maybe I should mention that this board has an eMMC on it.
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14:17 < sibiria> the installer asks if you want to do (w)hole disk mbr, gpt, openbsd area etc.
14:17 < kodcode> Went with (w)
14:18 < sibiria> then the problem is somewhere else. it's a but puzzling it faces an i/o error
14:18 < sibiria> bit*
14:18 < pardis> I still suspect your SD card is dodgy
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14:19 < pardis> try booting another OS and dd some stuff to the entire card, see if it can write the whole thing or gets errors on some blocks
14:19 < pardis> ("boot another OS" is just to rule out an OpenBSD problem beyond all doubt)
14:19 < sibiria> exit to shell and do a simple "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdN bs=1M"
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14:20 < pardis> which, if it fails, doesn't rule out an OpenBSD problem
14:21 < kodcode> sibiria: if no error, this is like what pardis is suggesting?
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14:22 < pardis> yes, if you get no error that way then at least you know the SD card doesn't have blocks that produce errors when written to
14:22 < sibiria> if it fails it's likeliest because the card is botched, but it can also mean the installer kernel doesn't entirely agree with the hardware
14:22 < pardis> you could also try installing to a different SD card on the same board
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14:24 < kodcode> OK, I put in this card into my local OpenBSD machine and run the if=/dev/null command. /: write failed, file system is full
14:24 < kodcode> dd: /dev/sd1: No space left on device
14:24 < kodcode> 856+0 records in
14:24 < kodcode> 855+0 records out
14:24 < kodcode> 896532480 bytes transferred in 22.862 secs (39214930 bytes/sec)
14:24 < kodcode> (sorry for spamming)
14:24 < sibiria> dev-zero
14:24 < sibiria> can't get anything out of dev-null
14:24 < pardis> also, /dev/rsd1c, not /dev/sd1
14:25 < pardis> you will want to rm /dev/sd1 now that you have filled up / with it
14:33 < kodcode> doas dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd1c bs=1M .. taking a while ..
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14:41 < thrig> openbsd ain't notable for blazing I/Os
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14:51 < kodcode> dd: /dev/rsd1c: end of device
14:51 < kodcode> 30251+0 records in
14:51 < kodcode> 30250+0 records out
14:51 < kodcode> 31719424000 bytes transferred in 912.305 secs (34768431 bytes/sec)
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15:09 < kodcode> I understand that my SD is fine after testing this?
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17:22 < vortexx> about my iftop issue... it seems to be because I have both libc.so.96.2 and .97 installed and iftop is linked to .96.2 when it should be linked to .97 ?
17:24 < uwharrie> did you upgrade the system without upgrading packages?
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18:42 < vortexx> uwharrie: I upgraded the OS upon release, and upgraded the packages. I've even tried a package off a mirror to see if it made a difference
18:43 < uwharrie> could also be an issue with an unsynchronized mirror, especially if it's a CDN
18:43 < vortexx> exactly the same version of the package... unlikely
18:44 < vortexx> it's on a router so I really hesitate to move libc.so.96.2 elsewhere just to test
18:45 < phy1729> The version isn't the full update signature. Just run pkg_add -u anyway
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18:47 < uwharrie> I just pulled it down and the one on my mirror is compiled against 97
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18:58 < vortexx> ok so I appear to have a phantom 7.2 iftop which on this specific machine gets pulled in when I install iftop from my package builder... it's quite bizarre. pkg_add -u doesn't make a difference, and no other VM or device has that version of iftop
18:58 < vortexx> going to have to investigate further
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18:59 < uwharrie> is PKG_CACHE set?
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19:03 < vortexx> nope
19:03 < vortexx> this router has been running OpenBSD since 2014
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19:13 < vortexx> ok fixed. Apparently for some reason I had an iftop package in /root and the file was being pulled every time
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20:11 < leah> this is what i was talking about yesterday: https://libreboot.org/news/e6400nvidia.html  <-- opensource bios setup, running openbsd. and openbsd is promoted positively there (the main photo of the XFR model is also showing openbsd bootloader)
20:11 < leah> thanks again for the help yesterday. i've been reading the code in xenocara
20:11 < quinq> leah, nice :)
20:12 < leah> i actually use openbsd *a lot*, but it works extremely well on that particular machine. the setup is a bit experimental and currently crashes in xorg under linux, but obsd works prefectly
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20:13 < leah> the only issue with that machine is the gpu cooling is really crappy. thermal pad. you can replace the pad with a copper shim, which i've ordered (imported from USA so might take a few weeks)
20:14 < leah> i wrote about the copper shim mod here: https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/e6400.html#copper-shim-for-gpu-cooling
20:14 < leah> that's for models with nvidia gpu. intel gpu models are DoNotCare
20:15 < leah> (intel gpu is in the northbridge and cooling is adequate)
20:15 < leah> oh, yeah we also did this recently, with openbsd:
20:15 < leah> https://libreboot.org/docs/uboot/uboot-openbsd.html
20:16 < leah> i'd actually appreciate it if someone has Samsung Chromebook Plus XE513C24 (gru_kevin) or other gnu-bob/gru-kevin chromebook, to test that, and try to get it running
20:16 < leah> that last link is arm-based chromebook. but we replace google's depthcharge bootloader (in the flash) with a port of u-boot, running as a coreboot payload
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20:17 < leah> it's neato but super experimental: most linux distros don't work yet, and according to the test on that url i linked, openbsd boot currently fails also
20:17 < leah> arm chromebooks have coreboot(opensource boot firmware) by default, but they use crappy bootloader from google called depthcharge
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20:18 < leah> alpernebbi in #libreboot ported u-boot. and i'm interested in booting openbsd on them
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20:22 < thrig> crappy bootloaders don't help (directly) with the bottom line
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21:32 < hussein1> could a low limit in limits.conf cause a rust application (gurk-rs) to segfault at runtime? 
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21:34 < phy1729> It depends on ring, so see the note in the ring OpenBSD package readme
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21:37 < phy1729> Don't think pkg_info will show that, so https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/security/rust-ring/pkg/README
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21:46 < hussein1> it works now - thanks
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22:29 < ssm_> why do my domain name servers not get prepended to resolv.conf? my dhclient.conf looks like link-timeout 20;\nprepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220;
22:30 < ssm_> I tried restarting resolvd, reobtaining lease with dhclient, and rerunning netstart
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22:32 < uwharrie> you disabled dhcpleased and installed dhclient?
22:33 < ssm_> dhcpleased is running, restarting it didn't prepend the dns either
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22:34 < pardis> having dhcpleased *and* dhclient running is probably a fairly profoundly terrible idea
22:34 < pardis> and why would you expect dhclient.conf to affect dhcpleased?
22:34 < thrig> dhcpleakd, dhcrashd, 
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22:34 < uwharrie> and it doesn't look like dhclient has been patched to talk to resolvd
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22:38 < ssm_> oh, dhclient is deprecated?
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22:39 < uwharrie> in the sense that it's no longer the default mechanism for doing DHCP
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22:55 < ssm_> thanks for the help, this has pushed me in the right direction
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22:55 < thrig> ... to Windows!
22:55 < ssm_> my life has been improved substantially, I lost 20 pounds, and I got straight A's on the engineering exam
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22:59 < n4dir> If i try to install "pkg_add firefox" or search for it with "pkg_info -Q", i can't find it at all, though it worked well on the other installation. I changed the mirror in /etc/installurl from spline.de to mirror.hs-esslinge, but with no result
23:05 < thrig> what does "i can't find it at all" mean?
23:07 < n4dir> it means that both commands return just the next prompt
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23:07 < n4dir> not, pkg_add gives "Can't find firefox"
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23:14 < thrig> did you check to see if firefox was already installed?
23:16 < n4dir> of course, but i think the message for pkg_add would be a different one if so
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23:16 < Bradipo> Actually, in true Unix fashion, I believe pkg_add is silent if the package is already installed.
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23:17 < n4dir> indeed. Just checked it with htop and irssi
23:17 < thrig> no gnus is good news
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23:35 < megeve> I have a feeling this has been discussed in length and yet I can't find anything online to read about.  Why is it that tty (TERM=pccon etc) in OpenBSD breaks colorful tools such as htop, emacs, etc? There are a couple of mail threads & a reddit post. But what is the reason behind this behavior?  Can we not fix it? I want OpenBSD without X - but it is barely usable. Emacs for instance does not work in tty - lines missing etc.
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23:37 < pardis> why do you want OpenBSD without X?
23:37 < thrig> probably because nobody has bothered to implement various fancy things in the console, or also pccon is lacking various terminfo foo
23:38 < megeve> Running a tty-only system (no X) feels like extra focus mode. Really appealing to me. Wish I could do it w/ OpenBSD.
23:39 < megeve> Also - not running X means fewer processes, longer battery life - no?
23:39 < thrig> on linux, my first task is usually to turn off all the color spam
23:39 < Bradipo> Many moons ago, OpenBSD did have a colorizable console.
23:40 < Bradipo> Man pages had a nifty color to them (bold cyan for key words).
23:40 < Bradipo> That went away for some reason.
23:40 < megeve> Even good old dmesg -- adding a bit of color helps quickly identify the stuff you're looking for. (So just enough color to guide your eyes)
23:40 < pardis> I would be shocked and amazed if X made a significant dent to battery life compared to the programs you use it to run
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23:42 < pardis> if you just want a terminal, you can run X with only a fullscreem xterm and have a better experience without relying on (realistically) months or years of developer time to bring the text console up to feature parity (for zero benefit, given that xterm already has those features)
23:42 < thrig> (Xorg is at 373:53, then comes sndiod at 79:43, and then a tmux at 8:36 for the TIME column)
23:44 < megeve> pardis, thrig: appreciate your advice - yes running X w/ fullscreen xterm may be a solution - I'll measure CPU consumption 
23:45 < Bradipo> Interesting... for me, Xorg is at 8:36, firefox at 25:20, chrome at 24:20 and another firefox at 17:29.
23:46 < Bradipo> What I don't understand is why chrome is so high, I haven't even used it except for a 15 minute session, the rest of the time it has been doing nothing in the background.
23:46 < thrig> I don't run firefox much, and certainly do not leave it open for long (most of the CPU burn is probably from beating up zombies in CDDA)
23:47 < Bradipo> CDDA on OpenBSD?
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