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02:28 < SOLARIS_s> sup
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02:43 < emmanuelux> hello what is the "-->" in ifconfig tun0 :   inet 10.8.0.100 --> 0.0.0.0 netmask 0xffff0000
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15:50 < a1fa> yolo
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16:01 < a1fa> 7.3 with gnome makes hell-of-a-desktop
16:01 < a1fa> so fart, no complaints ;)
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16:05 < a1fa> where did solene disappear to?
16:05 < a1fa> i wonder if her package tool is done
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16:06 < emmanuelux> I have spend some time to run openvpn with multi rdomains, seems ok for 18 hours, thx to last comment here https://misc.openbsd.narkive.com/tIhYNBln/ratble-and-rdomain-support-on-dhcpd-and-openvpn
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16:08 < Zyxer> Hey. I can't seem to install feh on my new install. Has the port been removed or something?
16:08 < pardis> insufficient data for meaningful answer
16:08 < Zyxer> package feh not found
16:08 < oldlaptop> The port is certainly there. https://openports.pl/path/graphics/feh
16:08 < oldlaptop> or was when last openports.pl updated
16:09 < oldlaptop> Pastebinning complete output might be a good idea.
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16:09 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/feh.txt
16:09 < oldlaptop> /etc/installurl too? though that should be one line
16:10 < pardis> maybe with some -v as well, and information about which version you installed
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16:12 < Zyxer> MacPPC, 7.3, /etc/installurl has one line https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD
16:12 < Zyxer> Adding -v to pkg_add makes no difference, can't find feh
16:12 < pardis> there appears to be no package for powerpc
16:12 < pardis> (looking at https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/packages/powerpc/)
16:13 < Zyxer> RIP, there used to be. Ok, thanks for help.
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16:31 < oldlaptop> it's not ONLY_FOR_ARCH itself :|
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16:31 < oldlaptop> nor do its dependencies appear to be now just clicking around through openports.pl
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16:32 < pardis> feh depends on graphics/imlib2, which depends on multimedia/libde256, which also has a package missing
16:32 < pardis> but that's also not ONLY_FOR_ARCHS or BROKEN
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16:33 < pardis> libde265, rather
16:33 < Zyxer> Hmm... For some reason xenodm refuses to start. New install so the only modified file is .xsession and .profile. https://clbin.com/9e9oE is my .xsession.
16:33 < oldlaptop> perhaps the port will build anyway? it's not one of the *larger* dependency trees
16:33 < pardis> stupid powers of 2 corrupting my brain
16:33 < thrig> you mean 10
16:33 < oldlaptop> Well if you're going to write it out longhand
16:34 < Zyxer> Also, why is feh vissible when I did pkglocate feh? If it is removed or not available in my arch it shouldn't be listed with pkglocate, right?
16:34 < pardis> do you really mean that xenodm refuses to start, or does it fail after you log in?
16:34 < oldlaptop> That would suggest it should be available; this strikes me as really odd
16:34 < pardis> .xsession is only relevant once you log in, which requires xenodm to have started
16:34 < emmanuelux> you have an idea why openvpn create lo10 or lot11 if rdomain 10 or rdomain 11 are used with it ?
16:34 < emmanuelux> lo11*
16:35 < Zyxer> It starts, rcctl start xenodm, then prints xenodm(ok), screen blinks then go back to tty. 
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16:35 < oldlaptop> the logs you need to look at and/or paste would probably include /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:35 < emmanuelux> ifconfif lo10 =>   lo10: flags=8008<LOOPBACK,MULTICAST> rdomain 10 mtu 32768
16:36 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/VZWcf is my .profile
16:36 < Zyxer> oldlaptop: Thanks!
16:37 < oldlaptop> I don't know offhand which syslog unit xenodm itself uses, but whichever one it is will be another file in /var/log. Sensible to look them all over if things are being weird in any case.
16:37 < pardis> .profile also isn't relevant to xenodm
16:37 < pardis> xenodm can't even know which user's files to look at until you log in
16:37 < pardis> you probably want to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:37 < Zyxer> Ok ok xenodm errorlog you send said acceleration disabled. 
16:38 < oldlaptop> It would be better to paste the contents than paraphrase them
16:38 < oldlaptop> the /topic has a suggestion that should work fine without a working browser on the machine
16:38 < pardis> xf86(4) may or may not be relevant here, depending on exactly what that log file says
16:39 < oldlaptop> On that topic, dmesg would be good
16:40 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/l1wHz is my xorg.0.log 
16:41 < Zyxer> Sorry I am working slow working in only tty and needing to switch is not easy on my keyboard setup, the Fkeys very inaccessible
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16:42 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/n72D2 is my dmesg
16:42 < oldlaptop> was that after at least one failed X server launch?
16:42 < Zyxer> Yes multiple. I think latest dmesg in there should be about failed xenodm
16:43 < Zyxer> Oh, wait, let me double check 
16:43 < oldlaptop> hm, so no help there then in figuring out what did [   632.565] (EE) Caught signal 6 (Abort trap). Server aborting
16:43 < Zyxer> Yes multiple
16:44 < oldlaptop> `[   632.564] (EE) EXA(0): ExaDriverRec::offScreenBase must be <= ExaDriverRec::memorySize` could possibly be important; I would wildly speculate that `[   632.546] (II) R128(0): Output VGA-0 using initial mode 2048x1536 +0+0` might be too many pixels for the poor thing?
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16:44 < oldlaptop> certainly more pixels than you could easily get when ppc750 was the hot new chip
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16:45 < Zyxer> Excuse me that is way too many pixels. 
16:46 < oldlaptop> also seems like a hell of a lot more pixels than you'd paint on the tube in a https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_dv_se_500.html
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16:46 < oldlaptop> (I don't know PowerMacX,Y numbers offhand, but the internet certainly does :))
16:46 < Zyxer> How do I change the initial mode? 
16:47 < Zyxer> oldlaptop: Yea that I can find, I try to not skip legday. Mostly OpenBSD related stuff is a bit hard to find on a phone
16:47 < oldlaptop> That might require an actual xorg.conf (or fragment)
16:47 < Zyxer> ok, thanks. I think the pointer is enough. I will try to find
16:48 < oldlaptop> (Perhaps there's even someone watching who's written xorg.conf in the last five years - I don't think I have.)
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16:48 < Zyxer> I have but not with initial resolution. 
16:48 < oldlaptop> just the kind of hardware you might expect to need to do that on, though. Not many people testing X autoconfiguration on translucent blue tube iMacs these days
16:49 < oldlaptop> or with r128 at all
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16:51 < a1fa> does sndioctl survive reboot?
16:51 < pardis> if you don't have /usr mounted on mfs, sure
16:52 < pardis> if you mean the changes you make with sndioctl, you'd normally want to configure the underlying mixerctl.conf(5) settings if you want those to persist
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16:59 < vi-user> hello, all
16:59 < vi-user> I'm having some issues with ndp
16:59 < vi-user> specifically when it comes to setting an ndp proxy
17:00 < vi-user> whenever I attempt to set a new entry I receive this error
17:00 < vi-user> ndp: set: cannot configure a new entry
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17:10 < vi-user> still no progress with ndp
17:10 < vi-user> anyone else had this problem before?
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17:22 < a1fa> rsadowski: how is it going bud
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17:55 < Zyxer> I got a step closer, xorg error gives this now: https://clbin.com/HJYFs
17:56 < Zyxer> xorg.conf https://clbin.com/JcWW8
17:57 < pardis> Log file: "/home/anon/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" levitates one's eyebrow
17:57 < Zyxer> I am unsure how to find vertical and horizontal refresh for my monitor. They are afterall separate on the CRT
17:59 < Zyxer> if there is any iMac person here, this is the model I am trying to get to work: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_350_indigo.html
17:59 < Zyxer> But I guess this is mroe of an xorg issue so not really related to OpenBSD
17:59 < Zyxer> pardis: Why the eyebrow levitation? 
18:02 < pr-asadi> lts: Greetings. Sorry for mentioning you. I have found a "AMD Radeon HD 5450" with 1GB of memory. Will it be good on OpenBSD? Unforutunately I could not find a 'AMD Radeon HD 5450 2GB'.
18:04 < Zyxer> It should be enough. I have 8mb VRAM and others with similar hardware got it running. But I guess browsers are gonna struggle
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18:05 < pr-asadi> Zyxer: 8MB VRAM of GPU?
18:08 < sibiria> 1 GB of VRAM is more than enough for (almost) anything you might be doing on openbsd
18:09 < pr-asadi> Good then.
18:09 < pr-asadi> Thank you all.
18:09 < Zyxer> pr-asadi: Yes. RAM is 320mb 
18:11 < Zyxer> I could use this openBSD only ass tty but it is so enticing to waste hours and days to get a proper xorg.conf because it is possible and there are working ones for older and newer models... I have no idea if anyone else will come here with the same xorg.conf issue but give me a shout since I have found multiple xorg.conf files but for previous or later models. 
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18:16 < vorpuni> Zyxer: I would look at disassembly videos of the same model to look for part numbers on the display
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18:20 < n4dir> Zyxer: additionally you could ask in #powerppc (debian) on OFTC IRC. It is a small and rather silent channel, but perhaps you have luck (regarding that very model)
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18:29 < lts> pr-asadi: yup, the 1GB vs 2GB should not matter, ref. https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=search&name=hd+5450&typeid=all#list
18:31 < pr-asadi> lts: That HD 5450 is fanless. I am gonna check other cards.
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18:47 < Zyxer> n4dir: Thanks for the pointer, now I have to figure out how to change chat in tty weechat. It doesn't grab my alt arrow :'I   --- Guess I have to dig out laptop with functioning xorg
18:49 < n4dir> Zyxer: good luck. I had my fights with powerpc, it was very exhausting, but both died. A pity. 
18:49 < thrig> you and it?
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18:49 < n4dir> thrig: haha. No, i survived. I had two of them, over the years
18:52 < Zyxer> wait, doesn't MacOS use xorg as well? Is the configuration files on it available or are all completely closed in property software? I never used it but if they have live CD maybe I can burn one and look for config. Probs generated when system gets hardware info 
18:53 < pr-asadi> lts: That model is fanless. Would it harm the card if I play Xonotic, or join a video/voice call meeting? Like jit.si or google meet.
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18:54 < Zyxer> I don't think a video meeting should be an issue.
18:54 < pr-asadi> Zyxer: About its heat I meant.
18:55 < pr-asadi> It does not have a fan/cooler.
18:55 < Zyxer> Yea, I got that. If you are used to tinker with hardware you could reapply thermal paste or thermal pads on it. But I coubt video would have it overheat.
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18:58 < Zyxer> Ok so I have good news, apparently starting Xorg for a quick check is not good, I thought it would run xorg no issue, but now I, after losing hope for the day, started xenodm and my xorg conf seems to work! I can login but after I login it kicks me out to xenodm again! 
19:00 < n4dir> I had that when i copied the config fluxbox directory from another system. Removed the copied config, then it worked. Trying a different WM might be an idea
19:01 < pr-asadi> Zyxer: If it kicks you to xenodm, your xenodm configuration is not correct.
19:02 < pr-asadi> Zyxer: You must configure it with .xsession file in your home. The file must have exectuable permission IIRC.
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19:03 < Zyxer> Ah, I did not set it to be executable, thanks, I will test
19:04 < ivdsangen> sometimes it leaves a file .xsession-errors that could help you debug the situation
19:04 < pr-asadi> :thumps_up:
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19:05 < Zyxer> Making it executable did not help, do I need to restart xenodm or should I be able to change non-xenodm config files without needing to restart xenodm?
19:05 < pr-asadi> I think you have to restart.
19:05 < pardis> .xsession doesn't have to be executable
19:05 < pr-asadi> What do you have in .xsession?
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19:05 < pardis> restarting xenodm is not needed
19:06 < pardis> .xsession is not xenodm config
19:06 < Zyxer> Yea, Mostly worried if xenodm read it when starting and saved .xsession in RAM
19:06 < Zyxer> xsession starts compton, uses xset... wait xset is not in base install
19:07 < pr-asadi> pardis: Which file we should configure with xenodm? I do not remember correctly.
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19:07 < pr-asadi> /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession?
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19:13 < pardis> .xsession is run by xenodm, but calling it "xenodm config" is not really correct
19:13 < Zyxer> Seems to be dwm error
19:13 < pardis> it's neither configuration nor xenodm-specific
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19:14 < pr-asadi> pardis: Right.
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19:14 < pr-asadi> Zyxer: What is it?
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19:15 < Zyxer> dwm is a window manager I use, I copied the configs and all from other pc with OpenBSD and dwm working
19:16 < pr-asadi> I use dwm too.
19:17 < pr-asadi> You said you had problems.
19:17 < pr-asadi> It's working now?
19:17 < Zyxer> Gonna install some packages that take long time on this old PC, then I can send error. 
19:17 < Zyxer> Might be missing some stuff I usually have, adn that are in config (although shouldn't affect it running)
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19:21 < Zyxer> Cat:ing error makes my tty weird tho'
19:21 < pr-asadi> Zyxer: Use reset to make it unweird.
19:25 < Zyxer> Ok so any tip on a minimal terminal? I used to use kitty but seems to not be available on PPC
19:25 < n4dir> st is there
19:26 < n4dir> sakura too, it is not too minimal (compared with xterm and the like, but perhaps lighter than xfce-terminal)
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19:27 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/idjv9
19:27 < Zyxer> My .xsession-error
19:28 < pr-asadi> st, urxvt, sakura.
19:28 < Zyxer> Hmm... I planned on learning tmux, so even if st can't scroll tmux can scroll in st, so I guess I can try st. Scroll is a must for me
19:28 < pr-asadi> Zyxer: There is a patch for scorlling in st.
19:28 < pr-asadi> You can use it.
19:28 < Zyxer> I know patches and stuff but I had bad experience with st. urxvt sounded enticing tho' I will try
19:29 < pr-asadi> I use st without patches.
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19:30 < pr-asadi> When I need scroll, I either use less(piping the output to the less command) or I use sakura.
19:30 < n4dir> same here. I start it with -f "Liberation-Mono-16" though, to get a bigger font. 
19:31 < pardis> this looks like you are somehow trying to run /usr/local/bin/dwm as a shell script
19:32 < Zyxer> urxvt not in repo 
19:32 < Zyxer> I want to somehow be able to use pkglocate for my arch only, since atm it gives me all archs I think
19:33 < Zyxer> pardis: Uhm... Ok let me.. is that in .xsession or..? 
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19:33 < Zyxer> Wait, how am I supposed to properly launch dwm in .xsession? Maybe I have misunderstood something
19:34 < Zyxer> I just add path to the dwm executable at the end
19:34 < Zyxer> Always worked before
19:36 < n4dir> It won't hurt to post the file online
19:37 < systemdsucks> I think you need to put 'exec dwm'
19:37 < systemdsucks> not just dwm
19:37 < systemdsucks> but it's been so long so...
19:37 < pardis> that's not correct
19:38 < systemdsucks> ok
19:38 < Zyxer> I dod post my .xsession, I can do it again 
19:39 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/t1frE
19:39 < pr-asadi> Who has passive cooling gpu here?
19:42 < sibiria> i had the HD5750 "Silent" for a while
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19:43 < n4dir> Zyxer: you said you use the same file for other installations, the web says multiline commenting in ksh, which i don't know well, is pretty much like in Bash. I wouldn't know, but it is the only odd thing i see (which might be not odd, but me not knowing it)
19:44 < n4dir> I'd mv .xsession to a backup, then add one line at a time to see when the error occurs.
19:44 < pr-asadi> sibiria: Was it good? Heat and stuff I mean.
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19:48 < sibiria> sorry, HD 5570 Silent it was
19:48 < tommyrot> i have several passive gpus, why do you ask though? if it comes without a fan it doesn't need one
19:48 < sibiria> pr-asadi: it had a 40 watt TDP. it worked just fine. no problem with heat in a regular midi-ATX case
19:48 < Zyxer> I am so genius I forgot to make clean install, so it installed a dwm compiled for x86_64, no wonder it gave error
19:48 < tommyrot> i'd argue any gpu with a tdp below 30W really needs a fan, it's more of a "high end" gimmick in that category
19:48 < pr-asadi> tommyrot: Since it does not use a fan to cool, I'm a little worried.
19:49 < pr-asadi> Here sometimes is really hot, even cooler does not cool the room.
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19:49 < sibiria> i doubt you will be gaming with it on openbsd?
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19:50 < pr-asadi> sibiria: Xonotic or Wesnoth if I play.
19:50 < pr-asadi> Only if I play*
19:50 < tommyrot> your case has some airflow i assume
19:50 < sibiria> i wouldn't worry. put another exhaust fan on your PC case if you want to make sure it keeps closer to room temperature inside
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19:52 < pr-asadi> I have a fan which is connected to the power supply.
19:53 < pr-asadi> But it does not cool.
19:53 < Zyxer> Yea now it works no issue, just make clean install. Thanks so much. :)
19:53 < pr-asadi> I have a active cooling GPU, and that fan which is connected to the power supply, does not help it.
19:53 < sibiria> wouldn't hurt if you put a 92/120mm on the back of the case to ventilate it a bit more then
19:53 < tommyrot> indeed
19:54 < sibiria> there are a handful of passively cooled graphics cards from previous generations that have <25 watt TDP. they are decent for light/cool desktop s
19:54 < sibiria> desktops*
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20:00 < Zyxer> dmenu refuses to launch anything at all... I try to launch sakura, nothing it just says broken at the bottom window info, st nothing happens
20:02 < Zyxer> Anyone knows a feh alternative? 
20:04 < n4dir> to set the wallpaper or to watch images?
20:04 < Zyxer> Set wallpaper
20:04 < n4dir> fbsetbg, no idea if it works for dwm
20:05 < Zyxer> thanks, I'll try. fbsetbg /path/to/image in .xsession, correct?
20:06 < n4dir> i have it in .fluxbox/startup. I'd try .xsession, or wait for someone who is sure
20:07 < Zyxer> oh, a startup 
20:07 < n4dir> just found out that it is just a "wrapper" which uses another app, one might be feh, i forgot the other ones it may use
20:07 < ivdsangen> Zyxer: why did you have to rebuild dwm, maybe its related, and you have to rebuild more?
20:08 < Zyxer> I copied dwm folder from another Machine I have, x86_64, and the build files are in same directory. So I just needed to make clean install
20:09 < Zyxer> It shouldn't be related to that, but could be related to my config. Hmm... Maybe it is an issue with the screen not being :0 or something 
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20:09 < n4dir> Zyxer: i had quite some problems setting a wallpaper, forgot the details, in the end i used ~/.fehbg (which was there, but had to be made executable). Not sure how it got there (by simply installing feh? )
20:10 < Zyxer> I can't use feh, not available for my architecture
20:10 < Zyxer> Otherwise I'd do feh 
20:11 < n4dir> If i recall correct for fbsetbg a dependency was missing, so it didn't work. There are more options, i can't remember. Good luck
20:12 < Zyxer> Thanks! Xterm launches no issue, I was worried I wouldn't be able to debugg on xorg
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20:14 < n4dir> esetroot and hsetroot ; if available, esetroot i used long ago, hsetroot i don't know
20:15 < Zyxer> Ok, thanks. fbsetbg command not found. I thought it was included in base
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20:17 < Zyxer> No I must mix it up fbsetbg is fluxbox thing
20:17 < n4dir> might be it is bundled with fluxbox, likewise esetroot might come with eterm. I didn't think about it
20:18 < n4dir> hsetroot is a standalone, at least on debian. 
20:20 < Zyxer> Can't find hsetroot. Ok so were can I find or search for packages available for PPC? 
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20:25 < a1fa> hello world
20:25 < a1fa> jcs: o/
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20:52 < Zyxer> The package is called windowmaker, and it has wmsetbg
20:52 < Zyxer> a1fa: Hello you
20:53 < n4dir> you sure don't hear about windowmaker a lot anymore. :-)
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