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00:51 < Zyxer> I am not sure if it is openbsd shenanigans but my ngircd server refuses connections from my local client (same device server and client)
00:52 < Zyxer> Any help? Others can connect, I had a friend test it. Also I temporarily disabled the servers firewall incase that was the issue, but no still issues. The server is behind an OpenBSD router that has pf enabled. 
00:59 < thrig> probably not a local firewall therefore most likely some ngircd thing?
01:01 < Zyxer> Ok. Yea, I am looking and reading but find nothing. Kinda lost, but I guess you're right, I should scrutinize ngircd more. 
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06:19 < mr_ab> Is there a list of applications which support pledge(2) calls within ?
06:19 < mr_ab> Third party applications not a part of the OS, that is...
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06:25 < oldlaptop> You could clone the ports tree and do something morally equivalent to `find /usr/ports -type f -name *.patch -exec grep 'pledge(' '{}' ';'`
06:25 < oldlaptop> (single quotes around *.patch probably)
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06:27 < oldlaptop> I should also say "checkout", perhaps? Unless one uses the git mirror these days.
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07:33 < Voyager_MP> interface em0 inet 10.192.40.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.192.40.255
07:33 < Voyager_MP> ping -c 1 10.192.40.254 >/dev/null 2>&1 ; echo $? 0 
07:33 < Voyager_MP> route add default 10.192.40.254 -mpath             add net default: gateway 10.192.40.254: Network is unreachable
07:33 < Voyager_MP> whats wrong ? 
07:35  * zelest will from now think that MP in Voyager_MP stands for mpath...
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07:36 < Voyager_MP> no not quiet 
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14:56 < psionic> Can OpenBSD do some sort of MASQUERADE like iptables?
14:56 < psionic> pass out on $ext_if from $int_if:network to !$int_if:network nat-to ($ext_if) 
14:56 < psionic> pass in on $ext_if proto tcp from any to any port 2222 rdr-to 10.0.0.2 port 22
14:57 < psionic> like with this I see the packets going to that internal client fine to port 22 but of course the shit aint knows how to come back lol
14:58 < psionic> This would work on linux: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o wg0+ -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 10.0.0.2 -j MASQUERADE
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15:03 < sibiria> did you forget to enable IP forwarding?
15:04 < pardis> you already found the equivalent to -j MASQUERADE
15:04 < pardis> you want nat-to
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15:05 < sibiria> you can't nat-to towards a local address on inbound traffic
15:06 < sibiria> i've never forwarded external traffic into and through a wireguard tunnel, but what you're doing works with openvpn
15:06 < sibiria> you *might* need a binat setup though i'm not really sure with the case of wireguard
15:07 < pardis> indeed, you would need nat-to outbound
15:08 < sibiria> his routing is correct (nat-to outbound). but he wants inbound traffic on the external side reach into DMZ on the other side of the tunnel
15:08 < sibiria> and that rule does work for openvpn. not sure if something about wireguard (or the rest of his setup) is interfering
15:08 < pardis> right, so if he wants NAT there, then he needs nat-to outbound there too
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15:11 < schillingklaus> is wireguard in the ports or in the openbsd core?
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15:12 < pardis> there is a wireguard implementation in base
15:12 < pardis> the upstream userland tools are also in ports, but they are not necessary to use wireguard
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15:21 < psionic> this has nothing to do with wg, its a generic nat portforward thing, wg works just fine
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17:09 < lts> OpenBSD Errata: Mai 16, 2023 (bgpd)
17:09 < lts> Very cute Mai there
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17:10 < Mozies> Can the ftp command send data to a http URL like 'curl -d "data" example.com'? Or is there another command in base like it that can do this?
17:10 < jcs> no
17:11 < oldlaptop> I guess nc can do that, sort of, technically, if you squint at it. (Some assembly required.)
17:11 < thrig> printf ... nc ...
17:11 < quinq> Don't forget about the TLS session too
17:12 < oldlaptop> nc can definitely do that
17:12 < thrig> (linux peeps are ever surprised when I tell them my nc does SSL)
17:12 < quinq> oh ok, nice
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17:13 < thrig> (they were also surprised when their server fell apart when the requests were split up into multiple writes)
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17:14 < oldlaptop> at least some linuxes use (or at least offer) openbsd nc, I wonder why (see e.g. https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/netcat-openbsd)
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17:16 < oldlaptop> although it looks rather like they don't include the tls support (lame)
17:16 < oldlaptop> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/netcat-openbsd/-/blob/debian/latest/debian/patches/build-without-TLS-support.patch (really lame :()
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17:18 < quinq> lame
17:19 < pardis> oldlaptop: OpenBSD nc has a lot of features not present in other implementations
17:19 < pardis> like Unix domain socket support
17:19 < pardis> it was one of the things I would install on every box back when I was a Debian user
17:20 < thrig> bloat
17:20 < jcs> socat is a great utility for weird connection stuff
17:21 < oldlaptop> pardis: yes, a lot nicer. AIUI the code for the other one widely used on linux is also... um, less reputable
17:21 < quinq> If you're able to understand its syntax
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17:56 < PyR3X> for ntpd (or any service) is there any advantage to listening on multiple vlan interfaces vs redirecting traffic to localhost to respond to queries?
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18:00 < pardis> listening on an interface is the way to accept traffic on that interface
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18:01 < pardis> why would you configure a daemon not to accept traffic and then Rube Goldberg it in some other way?
18:04 < PyR3X> pardis: I have vlan1-10 interfaces that carry tagged traffic from a managed switch each on their own subnet. The intent is to have all devices get the same time via ntpd. Currently ntpd listens on each of these vlan interfaces, and pf redirects queries to the vlan interface (instead of time.windows.com etc). My question is should I just listen on
18:04 < PyR3X> localhost and redirect to 127.0.0.1 vs 192.168.3.1 (vlan3) etc
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18:04 < PyR3X> the same actions occur for DNS where unbound listens on all of the vlan interfaces
18:05 < PyR3X> in terms of pf rules a one-liner to redirect to 127.0.0.1 vs specific rules for each interface would be easier
18:08 < sibiria> it doesn't make anything more secure. it just looks a bit tidier than 10 listen directives
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18:11 < PyR3X> how about moving this to relayd to manage via anchor?
18:13 < sibiria> to me that sounds like even more over-engineering
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18:16 < sibiria> there's no immediate security benefit to letting the daemon only listen on localhost, if you're going to forward traffic to it all the same anyway
18:17 < thrig> there is a castle with a gate, but the gate is always open to whomever
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18:19 < thrig> much like those CVE on linux where selinux would hold the door open for ...
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18:19 < sibiria> but selinux. recommended best practice
18:19 < PyR3X> I'm wondering if it's less secure to redirect traffic to localhost vs having it listen on each interface
18:20 < thrig> redirects are more complicated (is there a benefit to that complication?)
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18:21 < PyR3X> well it's still be redirected regardless because if they try to go to time.windows.com it will either get redirected to the specific vlan interface it arrived on or 127.0.0.1
18:21 < quinq> That's mostly for being able to listen on another port
18:21 < quinq> Not really about security
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18:36 < tommyrot> i remember the time when the openbsd packet filter had a tendency to crash, rendering ACLs useless and exposing services listening on non loopback addresses to all
18:36 < tommyrot> so if it's really an issue, use redirects, except for ssh so you won't get locked out
18:39 < jcs> when was this magical time when the filter "crashed" but left the kernel functioning?
18:39 < tommyrot> at least that's how i do it based on said experiences, not sure if that scenario is possible anymore today
18:40 < tommyrot> i think it wasn't called pf back then
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18:41 < jcs> oh, so literally 22 years ago
18:41 < jcs> when we had ipfilter
18:42 < tommyrot> and i still use redirects as of today because of it
18:42 < jcs> maybe it's time to let go
18:43 < jcs> you can make baby mulching machines out of pf now, it's stable
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18:43 < tommyrot> i'm fine but that's good to hear :)
18:43 < tommyrot> ignore my ramblings then
18:43 < oldlaptop> isn't there a whole song about no more ipfilter?
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18:44 < thrig> set to a daring reed organ
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18:45 < oldlaptop> I guess it only got one verse. https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#36
18:45 < sibiria> ** dramatic choir **
18:46 < PyR3X> I was thinking of something like this https://github.com/vedetta-com/vedetta/blob/master/src/etc/relayd.conf
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18:47 < PyR3X> the pf/relayd etc looks extremely over-engineered but it seems they use a vether0 (I guess instead of localhost) to listen for ntp/dns etc and redirect there
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