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08:41 < psionic> SO can OpenBSD do masquerade or should I go with FreeBSD/NetBSD?
08:41 < psionic> Laughs Out Loud
08:41 < renaud> what do you call masquerade?
08:41 < psionic> I'm not utterly impressed about the wireguard performance vs linux
08:41 < psionic> wrote it yesterday
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08:42 < psionic> I need this on openbsd land: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o wg0+ -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 10.0.0.2 -j MASQUERADE
08:42 < renaud> OpenBSD can do this
08:43 < renaud> if you had a firewall which couldn't do this, this wouldn't be a real firewall
08:43 < gsora> generally speaking openbsd performance isn't up there with linux and freebsd, but you get better security and defaults: it's a compromise :)
08:44 < psionic> ok so what is the equivalent pf rule for it then?
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08:46 < renaud> match out quick on wg0 from 192.168.1.0/24 to 10.0.0.2 nat-to (your_extenal_interface_name)
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08:49 < renaud> your_extenal_interface_name being probably wg0
08:51 < psionic> Thanks a lot it works fine.
08:53 < renaud> that's a somewhat basic rule, you should have found it by reading the manuals
08:54 < psionic> What I tried to do was #pass out on $ext_if from $int_if:network to !$int_if:network nat-to ($ext_if) 
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08:55 < psionic> main problem with this that the ext_if was the vio0 which is the external but needed wg0 in my case
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09:07 < finkfox> does anyone know of a commandline tool that can write id3v2 tags for openbsd?
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09:08 < finkfox> currently using ncmpcpp tag editor, which allows for basic operation
09:09 < renaud> id3ed is present in ports
09:11 < finkfox> renaud: if I'm not mistaken id3ed only works with id3v1
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09:21 < pardis> I used to use quodlibet for managing tags
09:21 < pardis> haven't used it lately, no idea about id3v2 support
09:22  * henrix uses eyeD3 (warning: it's python!)
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09:35 < finkfox> ok thanks will have a look at those
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10:34 < xmszkn> https://101010.pl/@xmsz/110377907112926667
10:34 < xmszkn> :-)
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11:34 < lavaball> i do match quick from self to <mailservers> rtable 2 but it uses re0 ip not wg0. added pass out quick on wg0 nat-to 10.0.0.2 right below. still re0 ip, not wg0.  traffic groes through wg0 in both cases though. just from wrong ip.
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11:41 < dlg> mmm?
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11:42 < lavaball> route -T2 exec stuff works fine though.
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11:42 < dlg> i feel like i missed some context here
11:43 < lavaball> nah, it's all there. 
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11:57 < lavaball> haha, i have another thing. what do i do if i can reach 192.168.0.0/24 via 10.0.0.2 and 10.0.1.2? 0 is gre, 1 is wg. oh, got it. i just do one port rtable 1, and other port rtable 2.
11:57 < lavaball> fun and games.
11:57 < lavaball> still, i don't know why self ip stays re0. what does route -T2 .. actually do? i thought it just looked up rtable 2. 
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11:58 < lavaball> i mean i could jsut add re0 ip to rtable on the server, but i want this done properly. 
11:58 < lavaball> oh and wg allowed of course.
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12:05 < Mozies> How do I get the NVME SSD temperature? I can't see it in 'sysctl hw.sensors' I just see cpu0.temp0 & acpitz0.temp0, also 'softraid0.drive0=online,OK' which I think is the smart status? The 'atactl' command just returns 'Device busy'.
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12:10 < lavaball> same on gre0 though with the re0 ip. this really is a nat issue. let's see what the man has to say about this.
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12:22 < lavaball> i'm guessing nat-to doesn't work from self. so i have to set it in the routing table, right?
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12:38 < lavaball> but if i do route -T2 or -T1 exec it works. so this must be in pf somewhere. how do i nat-to when i come from self?
12:39 < lavaball> because the forwarding works just fine with rtable 2 or 1 without any other natting.
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13:06 < lavaball> tried it for routed traffic. nat-to works just fine. what do i do for from self? or do i have to route -T2 exec everything?
13:08 < lavaball> don't tell me. it's not supported ...
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13:29 < PyR3X> I have a managed switch and an OpenBSD firewall/router that has a trunk0 (with no ip) and several vlan interfaces on different subnets (managing different tagged packets). Recently I was looking at veb/vport is there is use-case for it in my current setup?
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13:36 < IcePic> I think veb and vports more lean towards bridge(4) usage and less for trunk/lacp
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13:53 < lavaball> how does openbsd do source address selection?
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13:54 < lavaball> never mind. figured it out.
13:55 < lavaball> all had to be one line: pass out quick to <nameservers> nat-to 10.0.0.2 rtable 2
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14:40 < joe9> youtube-dl has stopped working. Any other alternatives to download youtube videos?
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14:41 < thrig> wait for yt-dlp to be updated again?
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14:51 < Bradipo> I sometimes just download yt-dlp directly and use that.
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14:54 < joe9> Bradipo, without using the pkg_add? 
14:54 < joe9> install yt-dlp to a local directory?
14:55 < lavaball> you on stable?
14:56 < joe9> Bradipo: yes. I am on stable
14:56 < joe9> https://dpaste.com/2PT2EXRYN.txt
14:56 < joe9> is what I get
14:57 < joe9> Bradipo: sorry, I take that back.
14:57 < joe9> I tried with yt-dlp and it seems to be working.
14:57 < joe9> I was using youtube-dl earlier
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14:57 < thrig> until it breaks again(TM)
14:58 < pardis> content provider, n.: an organisation with the goal of making it as difficult as possible for users to access content
14:58 < thrig> probably they want you to watch ads or something like that
14:58 < joe9> it downloads .webm files. 
14:58 < lavaball> they soon come for adblock too.
14:58 < joe9> Is it better than .mp4 files that youtube-dl does?
14:59 < lavaball> i have been yt-dlp for years though. 2.0x is just too slow.
14:59 < sibiria> no, it's a messier format
14:59 < sibiria> you can tell it to feed you h.264/265 in .mp4
14:59 < pardis> how is webm "messy"?
14:59 < sibiria> what matters most is usually that you tell it (youtube) to give you the resolution you desire
14:59 < thrig> pretty sure I told yt-dlp to get the lowest resolution
14:59 < pardis> whatever it writes by default is probably good enough unless you know you need something else
15:00 < Bradipo> joe9: Yes, I just go to the github repository for yt-dlp and get the standalone version and put it in /tmp or something.
15:00 < joe9> ok, thanks.
15:00 < pardis> you can also install it with pip, it's just a python package
15:01 < Bradipo> Yeah, I avoid pip.
15:01 < Bradipo> The number of times that I actually use yt-dlp is so small that I just get the latest if I need it.
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15:06 < sibiria> pardis: webm has a pretty limited list of video and in particular audio formats it supports, and they're not widely adopted yet with the exception of opus
15:06 < pardis> I'd call that the opposite of messy
15:07 < sibiria> i can't play this things -> transcode to sane format/container
15:07 < pardis> if the goal is to play it on OpenBSD, they are all well supported
15:09 < sibiria> yes, until computer can't keep the 100% software-based decoding up
15:10 < pardis> OpenBSD doesn't support hardware video decoding no matter what the codec
15:10 < sibiria> and smart TVs barely do vorbis and vp8
15:11 < sibiria> my point is webm only accommodates "opiniated" formats that still have low adoption rate across the eco system
15:11 < sibiria> opinionated*
15:11 < pardis> sure, and if joe9 needs to play these files on a smart TV, that would be a valid reason to avoid webm
15:11 < pardis> but there's no need to avoid it in general
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15:13 < sibiria> perhaps not for an individual only concerned about their own immediate needs
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16:48 < seninha> hi, do you know any epub reader (or converter to pdf) on the ports?
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16:51 < xtile> I should look into using a real epub reader some day, but for now I just unzip the .epub files (they're .zip files) and read them in a web browser.
16:52 < seninha> it seems calibre has a conversor to pdf
16:53 < pardis> pandoc should also be able to handle it
16:54 < seninha> xtile: i think i'm gonna just do that... both calibre and pandoc are huge on dependencies... too much for just reading a file
16:55 < xtile> i'd like to try Thorium Reader some day but I wouldn't know how to get an Electron app running, myself
16:55 < pardis> pandoc is huge on dependencies? what is it installing?
16:55 < pardis> it's haskell so should be mostly statically linked
16:55 < uwharrie> I've taken to unzipping the .epub files and reading them with a web browser when possible
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16:56 < pardis> on inspection, pandoc seems to have exactly 3 dependencies that aren't in base
16:59 < seninha> pardis, thanks i was confusing it with another thing, sorry
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17:02 < lts> A physical e-ink ebook reader is one of the best pieces of technology one can buy
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17:07 < sibiria> wouldn't a tablet be a million times better since it does all ebook things, and a million things more?
17:07 < sibiria> multi-functional instead of more e-waste just for a single dedicated use case
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17:08 < seninha> the thing with ereader is the paper-like screen and low battery consumption
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17:09 < lts> Those, plus minuscule weight
17:09 < sibiria> yes, but that doesn't really add anything to the reading material
17:10 < pardis> it makes it less fatiguing to stare at for hours
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17:12 < varighet> i vastly prefer reading on my ebook reader over a tablet
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17:12 < sibiria> a little bit, for some eyes. but it's still one of those cases of spending on more gadgets to get the feeling a slightly more "refined" experience
17:15 < sibiria> i reflect a lot on people's infinite desire for more stuff that they really don't need but just want, and the crazy environmental impact driven by it
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17:15 < varighet> reflecting a lot on people's infinite desire doesn't mean your reflection is correct for those people
17:15 < sibiria> new smartphone model every year just to "keep up" and such
17:16 < varighet> ebook readers are indeed single purpose devices, but it's a significantly better experience when you just wanna read over a backlight based tablet who's battery time is counted in the single digit hours compared to days and weeks on an ebook reader
17:17 < sibiria> no, it could absolutely be that you have incredibly sensitive eyes (or a bad laptop with low PWM frequency for backlight) and need an e-reader
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17:17 < sibiria> yes, a better and more refined experience. not entirely a solution to a pressing problem
17:18 < pardis> this is a strange hill to die on
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17:18 < xtile> what's the solution, to which problem
17:18 < pardis> the human eye didn't evolve to stare directly into light sources for hours, it's nothing to do with having sensitive eyes
17:18 < xtile> paper books?
17:18 < pardis> and e-readers don't generate significant e-waste given their long lifespan relative to most other computers
17:19 < sibiria> it's not hard to motivate it if one really wants, but it's hard to absolutely claim it solved an otherwise impossible problem instead of being mostly a desire
17:20 < pardis> few things in life solve otherwise impossible problems
17:20 < varighet> if you choose the right benchmark, anything can be made look good or bad
17:21 < varighet> i prefer ebook readers over printed books
17:21 < varighet> comparing an ebook reader over a tablet is a different comparison that is always lost by the single function device
17:21 < varighet> but it's not a comparison that should be looked at 
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17:27 < flaxarn> I have a (two actually) reader a tablet and a laptop and I can say for sure if I go on a trip even just over the weekend I obviously pick laptop
17:27 < flaxarn> As it does all of the things in one, and it tells me a bit of truth about if my purchases was necessary for me or not. If it is just desire and "wanna have a new thing"
17:28 < flaxarn> Reader is a convenience tool
17:28  * hiddener smells paperbacks
17:29 < flaxarn> Can someone tell me what the exec is for in .xsession? Which I use to start DWM and more
17:29 < Bradipo> exec in .xsession has the same meaning that it does in the shell.
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17:30 < flaxarn> But what does it, fork the program or something
17:30 < flaxarn> ?
17:30 < Bradipo> https://man.openbsd.org/ksh#exec
17:30 < phy1729> it doesn't fork; .xsession is just a script
17:31 < flaxarn> Bradipo: Ok now I get it, a function of the shell
17:31 < flaxarn> Thought it was a binary I couldnt find
17:31 < beastie> exec makes the shell to exec a command, so the process will execute the program instead of the shell script from that point on.
17:32 < thrig> helps avoid a dangle of /bin/sh in ps
17:32 < beastie> exec is an internal shell command, so it's described in the shell's man page.
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17:34 < beastie> .xsession is a shell script, when the process that is executing the session ends, the X11 server is reset and a new login display will be shown.
17:34 < beastie> BTW as the process is a session leader, the kernel will send a SIGHUP to all processes in the session
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17:41 < flaxarn> Does Openbsd still support old AMD graphic cards to get smooth UI movement? GPU acelerated graphics I mean
17:42 < anexit> flaxarn only if you get down with the sickness
17:42 < flaxarn> So it is buggy
17:42 < flaxarn> Or what?
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17:42 < flaxarn> Will old Nvidia work?
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17:43 < dayid> likey/TIAS
17:43 < thrig> an old system is exactly what chromium needs to run like a champ
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17:45 < n4dir> can't say that thzis old Nvidia does an outstanding good job. If needed i need to boot and check which card
17:45 < flaxarn> Old card like Geforce Gt320 to use as example
17:45 < flaxarn> Just to get smooth desktop use instead of CPU doing all the work
17:45 < n4dir> well, let me boot then. But with old i really mean old. at minimum 10 years
17:47 < flaxarn> Or Radeon 3xxx, things from late 2000. Openbsd has support for using it with X still?
17:47 < hiddener> radeon x1100 smooth
17:50 < flaxarn> Nv and Radeon driver, Ok they are still here and looks like a lot of cards work
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17:55 < n4dir> flaxarn: Quatro FX 370
17:56 < flaxarn> n4dir: Ok thats old like my Gt320. So it works good with Nv driver for you?
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17:57 < n4dir> It works, but it is not exactly smooth. I didn't bother yet trying to figure out if i might enhance it
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18:54 < sibiria> last time i ran openbsd on the desktop regularly, about 10 years ago, i used the hd 5570 (radeon(4)) which belongs to the same era and it worked pretty well
18:56 < orwell> Hi, unfortunately the cronjob of my mirror always aborts when updating (openrsync). Do you have any idea what could be the reason for this? Attached is an example of an error message. I run the cronjob like this:
18:57 < orwell> https://paste.dismail.de/?bbe19293826d1826#5d54ZFeQpbKLq29dJtug3ftNTZk2nk7t6tWreorC3j84
18:58 < orwell> `/usr/bin/openrsync -rv --no-motd rsync://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/openbsd/snapshots/packages/amd64/ /var/www/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/amd64/`
18:58 < thrig> looks like a javascript application
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19:01 < orwell> thrig, https://clbin.com/OC3RF
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19:02 < thrig> does it happen if you use rsync instead of openrsync?
19:03 < orwell> Not tried so far because I didn't want to use anything outside the base system.
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19:06 < uwharrie> I haven't had the best of luck with openrsync outside of simple use cases, and the server is likely running "samba" rsync
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19:15 < orwell> So probably the best tip is to try the mirrors and see if it works with one? Or is openrsync not (yet) suitable for this purpose?
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19:16 < Bradipo> When was the last commit for openrsync?
19:18 < xtile> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/usr.bin/rsync/?sortby=date#dirlist
19:18 < xtile> two weeks ago
19:18 < thrig> outdated. must be abandoned
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19:34 < orwell> By the way: What is a reasonable sync frequency to keep a local mirror up to date, but not to overload other mirrors? Is there a rough guideline? Once a day, once a week?
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19:47 < orwell> thrig, rsync works. I'll just use rsync...
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19:49 < Bradipo> Still, it would be worth a bug report perhaps?  They cannot make openrsync work if they don't know what's broken.
19:50 < orwell> Bradipo, to misc@?
19:50 < Bradipo> https://www.openbsd.org/report.html
19:51 < orwell> thx
19:51 < Bradipo> Might want to also search the archives just in case: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs
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20:46 < orwell> Bradipo, https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=168426952719510&w=2
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21:59 < emmanuelux> hi i dont success to make a transparent proxy with relayd (incorrect pf rule ?)
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22:00 < tux0r> emmanuelux: more information is probably appreciated.
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22:05 < emmanuelux> yes tux0r , i use /etc/examples/relayd.conf for httpfilter and httpproxy  with only this change : listen on 192.168.0.254 port 51234
22:06 < emmanuelux> and in my pf.conf that is false :  pass in quick on tun0 inet proto tcp from any to any rtable 10 divert-to 192.168.0.254 port 51234 rtable 0 
22:07 < emmanuelux> I miss a correct pass out too
22:08 < emmanuelux> i dont know if I need synproxy , I dont understand all this things and no real tutorial 
22:12 < tux0r> usually, man relayd is pretty solid..
22:13 < emmanuelux> it is pf and divert-to
22:13 < emmanuelux> and the opposite path
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23:21 < clicker> hello all, i'm trying to update to the latest -current snapshot and i was just wondering if anyone else is also having an issue where sysupgrade complains about SHA256 verification failing on game73.tgz and xshare73.tgz?
23:21 < clicker> i'm just assuming something in the snapshot process borked but i wanted to make sure it's not just an issue with my network or something
23:23 < pardis> tried a different mirror?
23:24 < Zyxer> Could be your mirror just haven't updated the SHA256 file. Change mirror or wait a day or two. I think 
23:24 < clicker> i have not! let me look up real quick how to switch mirrors
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23:34 < clicker> updating /etc/installurl fixed it, thanks
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23:42 < captnemo> Is anyone else having to deal with a segfault when trying to launch tor-browser?
23:42 < captnemo> *on openbsd-current
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23:51 < captnemo> wait nvm, it was a pledge issue
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23:57 < croc_> Hi, I'm trying to setup relayd to send response headers based on the hostname of the request, I can't seem to figure out how to do this though. Any help would be appreciated.
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