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01:02 < sn00p> I am trying to boot openbsd rescue mode on ovh server does anybody know how t boot openbsd with the qemu command line with the iso file?
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11:55 < lavaball> can netstat display the process that is establishing/listening to the connection?
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12:08 < dlg> fstat can
12:09 < lavaball> ah,thanks.
12:11 < lavaball> no examples in the man ... great.
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12:14 < lavaball> is there no option for |grep internet
12:14 < lavaball> ?
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12:40 < renaud> anyone tried -current on oracle cloud recently?
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12:43 < sibiria> nope. but i run 7.3-stable there (on x86)
12:44 < sibiria> since 6 months back
12:44 < sibiria> well, 7.2 at that point, recently upgraded it to 7.3
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12:46 < renaud> I haven't got it to boot on either amd64 or arm64
12:47 < renaud> do you mean, if you use x86, it works?
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12:47 < sibiria> arm64 was no-go when i tried on 7.2 and 7.3-release. turned every setting inside out but it would always crash during init. x86-64 works fine, you just need to configure the hypervisor correctly
12:48 < renaud> what do you mean by configure the hypervisor correctly?
12:48 < sibiria> there are a lot of settings for the virtual machine, e.g. paravirtualized or pass-through network interface etc. etc.
12:49 < renaud> I have alwways got the crash at boot, which parameter did you change?
12:49 < sibiria> first off: i never managed to get the install kernel to run. i had to create a pre-installed image (in virtualbox) and import that as a new VM
12:50 < renaud> ah, OK, that explains
12:50 < renaud> I only tried the install kernel
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12:50 < sibiria> but even then the settings need to be right. the install kernel is just even fussier and pickier about what it boots on
12:50 < sibiria> snowflake kernel~
12:51 < sibiria> give me a moment and i'll summarize the VM settings i had to go with to get my image to boot
12:51 < renaud> thanks
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12:56 < sibiria> renaud: https://dpaste.org/18AkT/raw
12:58 < renaud> thanks
12:58 < sibiria> some of these settings can only be controlled when creating the VM from a disk image. once the VM is created they can't be edited, so you may have to scrap and recreate it to fiddle around
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13:14 < renaud> sibiria: does it need to have the console on com0 for their serial console?
13:14 < renaud> also, if yes, which speed?
13:14 < sibiria> actually not sure. i never used the console with openbsd. i set my pre-installed image up for ssh access
13:15 < renaud> ok
13:16 < sibiria> here's the full view of the VM config in that helps more: https://i.imgur.com/f5VIkHK.png
13:17 < renaud> I am trying with 115200 com0
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13:29 < renaud> ah, crap, I can't create an image anymore with the always free account
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13:32 < sibiria> only during the 30 day trial. you will have to upgrade to paid (but free) tenancy
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13:35 < renaud> 93€ to upgrade the accoun t to pay as you go...
13:36 < sibiria> for verification, it will be canceled
13:36 < renaud> for verification it's 1 or 2 €
13:36 < sibiria> but indeed a bit more aggressive than the usual ~€5 most companies do
13:36 < renaud> not 93
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13:37 < renaud> did you also get a sum like that one?
13:37 < sibiria> yes
13:37 < sibiria> preliminary charge. it was reversed
13:37 < renaud> and got a refund?
13:37 < renaud> ok
13:37 < sibiria> they want to make sure you're not a peasant. OCI = elite host ;)
13:37 < renaud> :D
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13:39 < sibiria> the information was lacking a bit, so i inquired with their support about the size etc. they confirmed black on white it was only for verification purposes
13:39 < sibiria> i've been on a paid tenancy on OCI since october for a total of $0.00
13:40 < renaud> ok
13:40 < sibiria> it does open up for actual service charges, but i'm not worried about a surprise bill or anything
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13:46 < renaud> upgrade seems far from instant
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13:46 < sibiria> was not instant in my case either, can't recall how long it took
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13:47 < renaud> in minutes or days/weeks?
13:47 < sibiria> i don't know because i just upgraded and didn't have time to look at it for a few days
13:48 < renaud> at least, if you have a normal account, they are not as aggressive at reclaiming unused VMs
13:49 < sibiria> not sure how that works. i would find it a bit disturbing if a paid tenancy had an idle machine pulled
13:49 < renaud> exactly
13:50 < sibiria> not sure how they accurately measure it either, since not all VMs will be able to integrate with their load monitoring
13:50 < sibiria> maybe they look at raw hypervisor numbers. i suppose you can fake a load then
13:50 < renaud> I am running ntpd with pool.ntp.org at max speed
13:51 < renaud> so there are requests all the tiume, but they don't take that much processing
13:51 < sibiria> do "openssl speed rsa2048" every 30 minutes in cron or something :P
13:51 < renaud> that can also work
13:52 < renaud> and do it in cron with ~ :)
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14:26 < finkfox> in firefox-esr, when trying to upload a file, in the "File Upload" diaolog, no files are shown. As I understand this is due to unveil, limiting read/write access, specifically folders ~/Downloads and /tmp. In need to type "/" and then a readable path first. I wonder if there is a more user friendly way.
14:26 < finkfox> of course I could also relax the unveil settings, but is that a good idea?
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14:47 < jcs> feel free to submit a patch to mozilla
14:47 < jcs> or the gtk people, i forget where the problem is
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14:51 < byteskeptical> finkfox: you can set XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR= which should at least add your set directory to the list on the left
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14:54 < byteskeptical> personally I find these small reminders that the blackbox of code labeled a browser can't willy nilly read all my user's files rather comforting
14:55 < thrig> for important security reasons cloudflare needs to review the contents of your ~/.ssh directory
14:56 < srfsh> haha
14:56 < IcePic> that's why I put all my secrets there, so they all get the correct Clownflare review!
14:57 < byteskeptical> ok fine but please make me solve an obscure and pixelated puzzel right after
14:58 < thrig> (cloudflare did want to set a cookie, and run some javascript in w3m to "review" the SSL, which did not go too well)
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15:07 < finkfox> byteskeptical: thanks I will try this
15:08 < byteskeptical> finkfox: I put it in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
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20:08 < joe9> are there any tools to track internet use on OpenBSD?
20:09 < joe9> or, atleast the firefox usage..
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20:18 < CosmicDJ> joe9: like MB transferred? or DNS requests? or what exactly?
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20:27 < joe9> CosmicDJ: I want to monitor my internet usage. probably a combination of firefox being the dominant window in X11 (supported by DNS requests, etc) to ensure that it is in active use...
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20:34 < Bradipo> joe9: What exactly do you consider "monitor internet usage"?
20:35 < Bradipo> You could use any number of methods for tallying bytes on the wire.
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20:39 < Bradipo> e.g. "systat if", "netstat -s", and a few others might be just fine for "monitoring internet usage".
20:42 < thrig> or you could shove appropriates into a rrdtool database
20:43 < sibiria> surf through a local proxy maybe
20:43 < sibiria> squid or whathaveyou
20:45 < joe9> Bradipo: I am still figuring it out what i need to do. The goal is to monitor how much time I am spending on the web.
20:45 < thrig> too long!
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20:46 < joe9> obviously..
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20:46 < Bradipo> Well, "time on the web" is extremely subjective.
20:47 < Bradipo> You could download a 100 page document and it will take 2 minutes to download, but then spend 30 minutes reading it on your computer...
20:47 < Bradipo> So, did you spend 2 minutes on "the web", or 32?
20:47 < sibiria> a proxy logging all requests would be a useful way to track that, but i suspect there are more than a few addons for firefox for that exact purpose
20:47 < joe9> I mostly use firefox for useless browsing.
20:47 < thrig> doomscrolling in firefox is probably different from digesting a short PDF
20:48 < Bradipo> Sure, but again, you may browse to a site and it has 10MB of content which takes 1 minute to download... but how long did you spend looking at all the content?
20:48 < Bradipo> Using technology for tracking time in this may not be as helpful as you think.
20:49 < thrig> echo pkill firefox | at now + 10 minutes ; firefox
20:49 < sibiria> Bradipo: no, timestamps for the requests
20:49 < Bradipo> Unless by "useless browsing" you mean reading through the myriad memes that exist out there.
20:49 < sibiria> it's a decent approximation for active "channel surfing", but loses out on the tail end of a session
20:50 < Bradipo> Right. If all one does is click and take 1 second to "consume" then it can be mostly accurate.
20:50 < sibiria> but i'd have a look at what plugins are available
20:50 < sibiria> addons/extensions
20:51 < pardis> also, with modern async js garbage, firefox may look "active" on the network even if the window is not visible anywhere on your desktop
20:51 < thrig> easily detected by the cpu fans running
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20:58 < Bradipo> joe9: What about: ps -A -U joe9 -o start,time,etime,command | sed -ne '1p;/[f]irefox/p'
20:58 < Bradipo> Assuming that you don't close any of the firefox things.
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20:58 < joe9> Bradipo, thanks, will check it out.
20:58 < Bradipo> 7:43AM 25:05.32 07:13:59 firefox
20:59 < Bradipo> So in my case firefox has been running for 7 hours, 13 minutes, 59 seconds.
20:59 < Bradipo> Of course that doesn't mean I've been using it for that long.
20:59 < joe9> I normally kill the browser after I am done with the browsing instead of leaving it running to avoid the distraction.
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21:00 < joe9> sure, I understand that.
21:00 < Bradipo> Right, so if you start/stop the browser then this won't work well.
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21:02 < pardis> if you close the browser when you're done, why not write a wrapper 'firefox' script that records the start and end times?
21:03 < pardis> { printf 'start '; date; } >>"$HOME"/firefox.log; firefox; { printf ' end '; date; } >>"$HOME"/firefox.log
21:03 < thrig> obsessing about firefox metrics may not help put it down
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22:27 < martinrame> Hi, I've updated an old machine up to 7.2 and now I want to install xpdf, but I get: Can't install motif-2.3.8 because of libraries
22:27 < martinrame> Any hint?
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22:27 < thrig> I switched to mupdf years ago
22:29 < martinrame> thrig: I cannot install mupdf: library curl.26.16 not found
22:29 < martinrame> (using pkg_add mupdf=
22:29 < uwharrie> did you upgrade packages after the OS update?
22:30 < thrig> also 7.2 is already a little out-of-date
22:30 < martinrame> thrig: hehe: doing now
22:31 < martinrame> btw, does the Firefox's included PDF reader works?, or I must install an external PDF reader?
22:32 < Lucas6023> it's not that out-of-date, and is still supported, so it should work.
22:32 < thrig> no idea, I've had to tell firefox to always download PDFs several times because the vendor diddled with the preference, and then I mostly stopped using firefox
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22:33 < Lucas6023> martinrame: is curl installed in the system? the only thing I that I can think of that might help is curl being a "hidden" dep of mupdf, so you could give `pkg_add curl` a shot
22:33 < Lucas6023> and then try `pkg_add mupdf`
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22:34 < xtile> Firefox's PDF reader works, but Chromium's PDF reader is definitely better, martinrame.
22:34 < martinrame> Lucas6023: I'll do that, let me finish updating packages
22:35 < uwharrie> if the mupdf package has a hidden dependency, it's broken and should get fixed
22:35 < thrig> WANTLIB += X11 Xext c curl freetype gumbo harfbuzz jbig2dec jpeg
22:36 < uwharrie> this sounds more like trying to install a 7.2 based package on top of <7.2 libs
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22:40 < martinrame> uwharrie: yes, that must be the reason. I forgot to upgrade packages after upgrading the S.O.
22:40 < thrig> if only there were documentation to follow with the steps
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