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02:22 < topcat001> Nice to know it works on vmd!
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03:23 < leah> phy1729: which port? you pinged me. just fyi i've not yet submitted any ports to openbsd, though i plan to.
03:24 < leah> there are a few projects i use that openbsd doesn't have in ports yet.
03:24 < leah> is there another leah besides me who is an openbsd contributor? (for reference i'm the libreboot.org leah)
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03:29 < leah> for example i maintain this: https://browse.libreboot.org/lbmk.git/plain/util/spkmodem_recv/spkmodem-recv.c?id=25241ae22242eb7d178f4a76f2761987a5022d36
03:30 < leah> which is a fork with improved coding style and clarity, based on this: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/coreboot/coreboot/8febc91b3041a1d027bf0d36d30ccb119496524f/util/spkmodem_recv/spkmodem-recv.c
03:30 < leah> ...which was based on this: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/plain/util/spkmodem-recv.c?id=822b726b33b8dc07dd01b257a2dfcc7b07d12e2f
03:30 < leah> could be useful in obsd ports. serial console over pc speaker, useful in some cases. this code is the receiving client.
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03:31 < phy1729> doas, but it seems that's maintained by duncan
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03:32 < leah> though, i *have* ported a few openbsd 7.2 utils to linux! for example i ported the mail program to alpine linux
03:32 < leah> gotta finish that at some point. i've been going through all the obsd posix utils
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05:34 < gustft> hello, I'm on current running inside qemu and virtio gpu but wscons does not seem to be using viogpu drivers, type is vga-pci
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05:36 < gustft> jcs
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07:27 < mischief> topcat001: actually i had to hand install grub for i386-pc. upstream image is UEFI only. :-/
07:27 < mischief> the whole reason i even started this mess is because my ghetto server setup has unreliable hardware and the hw watchdog doesn't even work it seems
07:28 < mischief> so i connected an esp32 to the motherboard reset switch and now i have homeassistant toggle the pin when it can't ping the server
07:28 < mischief> 'smart home' indeed
07:30 < lts> Home assistant is a horrible horrible mess. It's just that there is no better alternative (yet)
07:31 < dennis> This is so true :/
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07:36 < quinq> “Home assistant”, is that for differently-able people?
07:36 < mischief> yes, i'm unable to walk 20 feet to reset my server manually any more :-)
07:37 < quinq> Home assistant it is, then
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08:08 < al1r4d> I need your help. How to fix this? https://pegelinux.top/@al1r4d/110405630513565106
08:08 < al1r4d> I cant `rcctl start hugo`.. it always `hugo(failed)`
08:08 < al1r4d> 😵
08:09 < renaud> sibiria: thanks, but I will try other things before
08:16 < dennis> al1r4d: this isn't really helping, but I'm curious - why do you want to run a static site generator as a service? :) the `server`-functionality is intended for development-purposes, just to see your changes in real-time.
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08:27 < al1r4d> dennis: i run openbsd as server :)
08:27 < al1r4d> Then i want to deploy
08:27 < al1r4d> Hugo will stop if i quit from terminal
08:28 < dennis> al1r4d: The preferred way of deploying a static site is to deploy the HTML that the static site generator generates :) That's sort of the whole point of a static site generator like Hugo.
08:28 < al1r4d> dennis: okay rt :)
08:28 < al1r4d> Ty
08:29 < dennis> When you run `hugo`, hugo generates HTML-files in a folder named "public" (or something like that). That's the HTML you're supposed to deploy
08:29 < dennis> You can use httpd or nginx or something to serve the html content from your server :)
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08:30 < al1r4d> > When you run `hugo`, hugo generates HTML-files in a folder named "public" (or something like that). That's the HTML you're supposed to deploy
08:30 < al1r4d> >
08:30 < al1r4d> > You can use httpd or nginx or something to serve the html content from your server :)
08:30 < al1r4d> The problem is my nginx could not detect my folder.. idk why..
08:30 < al1r4d> I will back later
08:32 < dennis> By default nginx is chrooted to the home directory of the user running the nginx-daemon, so it won't have access to your home folder
08:32 < lavaball> route -ipf .. Set the preferred source address to address. does that mean it's always the src add i set for all traffic, basically masquerading, or only come from local host?
08:33 < dennis> al1r4d: I think the default user of nginx is `www` on openbsd. Try copying your html-files to a folder under `/var/www/`, and use that folder in your nginx-config.
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08:43 < al1r4d> > al1r4d: I think the default user of nginx is `www` on openbsd. Try copying your html-files to a folder under `/var/www/`, and use that folder in your nginx-config.
08:43 < al1r4d> Woah.. new knowledge.. thank you
08:43 < al1r4d> Btw, can you ( dennis ) take a screenshot about our chat? I sent the message via xmpp lol
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09:38 < Newbix> Hi, trying this: chmod o-rx /usr/bin/ftp; groupadd g_fetch; usermod -G g_fetch _pkgfetch; chown root:g_fetch /usr/bin/ftp # pkg_add: can't exec /usr/bin/ftp: permission denied at /usr/libdata/perl5/OpenBSD/PackageRepository.pm line 869
09:40 < Newbix> is it nominal please ?
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09:44 < quinq> Not sure what you mean by nominal, but it's expected that ftp can't be executed if you remove its execution rights
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09:49 < quinq> Most likely what you want is to group _pkgfetch on ftp, not g_fetch
09:51 < Newbix> using g_fetch group owner let me add more users to use ftp bin
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09:53 < Newbix> (yes setting _pkgfetch as group owner is ok for pkg_add) but its very limited
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10:49 < sibiria> renaud: i will be setting up another instance using a different installation. i'll document the exact settings used to create the machine image during import, as those settings have an effect on OCI's hypervisor too
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12:05 < mischief> this is actually kind of neat. i managed to get both my front door lock and my aranet4 set up in this thing
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12:16 < mischief> strange that when i reboot the vm, it just becomes stopped in vmd instead of actually restarting and staying running. why is that?
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12:25 < sibiria> aren't you afraid someone will somehow get access to it and unlock (or play around with) stuff?
12:26 < sibiria> networked home automation, even in enclosed LAN, is a nightmare scenario to me
12:26 < mischief> how can they do that? :-)
12:27 < sibiria> not implying you don't know how to secure your network. just that when the option is there to unlock the door over the network, the option is there...so to speak
12:27 < quinq> mischief, mad skilz
12:27 < sibiria> if you can do it, there's always a chance someone else can do it
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12:29 < mischief> i live on the 15th floor of an apartment building where every front door is secured by the same kind of smart lock
12:29 < mischief> i'm not worried
12:30 < quinq> I'd be even more :D
12:30 < sibiria> i have an allergy towards anything "smart"
12:30 < sibiria> because there's always a 5:1 ratio of dumb-to-smart
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12:42 < shiranaihito__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK13fnqGiNM - how does this guy stay alive? :D
12:42 < shiranaihito__> in almost every video, he's face to face with a "swamp puppy" as he calls alligators and crocodiles.. :P
12:43 < shiranaihito__> "this one definitely wants to kill me"
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12:50 < sibiria> maybe he is in cahoots with the Gator God
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12:52 < shiranaihito__> could be :P
12:53 < quinq> Maybe he's just a gator who learned to talk english
12:53 < drk> Yoink
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13:05 < gustft> I'm running openbsd inside qemu and it idles at sustained 8% cpu while linux with the same config is at 0-2%, any idea why that might be?
13:06 < quinq> Different OS
13:11 < gustft> I was just wondering what would account for the difference, top inside openbsd reports 0% cpu for everything
13:12 < gustft> I infer it's the kernel doing the work? But what is it doing?
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13:18 < sibiria> gustft: if you run "top -s 1" and keep an eye on the CPU states, do you actually see nice/sys/spin/intr hovering at 8%?
13:18 < sibiria> or 99-100% for idle?
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13:28 < tommyrot> press S or `top -S`
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13:55 < gustft> sibiria, tommyrot everything seems at 0%
13:56 < gustft> 100% idle
13:58 < sibiria> got you, you crafty hypervisor bastard!!! *grabs qemu's arm*
13:58 < sibiria> maybe it's something unsuspected like what hardware timer you've told openbsd to use
13:59 < gustft> it's a fresh install
13:59 < sibiria> causing the hypervisor/emulator to sweat a bit
13:59 < sibiria> yeah but defaults are not always fantastic
13:59 < sibiria> (for all scenarios)
13:59 < gustft> I see, if you have anything specific in mind I can try it
14:00 < sibiria> what do you have in: sysctl kern.timecounter
14:00 < sibiria> presumably .hardware will be set to tsc
14:00 < sibiria> and acpihpet should be among the choices
14:00 < sibiria> give acpihpet0 a go. see what happens
14:02 < gustft> sibiria: hardware is set to pvclock0
14:03 < sibiria> which sounds like kvm thingy to me
14:03 < sibiria> might be the best option, but i wouldn't hesitate fiddling with it a bit
14:03 < gustft> acpihpet0 is much worse
14:04 < gustft> maybe linux is just super optimized for this
14:04 < sibiria> it might be, but also likely that openbsd isn't optimized at all for it yet
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14:09 < gustft> I'm installing netbsd, if it's any better then somebody has to do something abou it :)
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14:13 < gustft> nope, netbsd is worse
14:15 < gustft> same thing, 100% idle but up to 9% on qemu
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14:24 < gustft> sibiria: I had to try freebsd too: It's the same as linux with 0-2% cpu! I imagine there is some specific thing they are doing differently compared to openbsd.
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14:43 < mischief> probably has to do with the way that interrupts and cpu parking are implemented
14:43 < mischief> did you try in single user mode?
14:43 < mischief> (no userspace running)
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14:50 < gustft> mischief: tried, same thing
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14:53 < mischief> so, kernel problem and not userspace.
14:54 < gustft> I tried qemu with -display none, linux and freebsd drop to stable 0%, while openbsd still hovers at 4-6%
14:54 < mischief> did you check interrupt rates?
14:55 < gustft> mischief: no, how do I do it?
14:55 < mischief> vmstat -i or the first page of systat
14:57 < gustft> mischief: damn, freebsd has total 49, openbsd 12863
14:57 < mischief> that seems a bit wrong
14:57 < mischief> what device is interrupting?
14:58 < mischief> for a point of comparison my router is at about 1200/s interrupts right now and 98% idle, according to systat.
14:58 < gustft> virtio1, clock and ipi
14:58 < mischief> which one is highest? virtio i guess?
14:58 < gustft> irq0/ipi with the biggest share
14:59 < gustft> now clock
14:59 < mischief> can you share the vmstat -i output
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15:00 < gustft> I'll try
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15:01 < gustft> mischief: http://ix.io/4wl2
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15:04 < mischief> didn't you say it was at 12000?
15:04 < gustft> it changes
15:04 < mischief> dmesg?
15:05 < gustft> mischief: ix.io/4wl5
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15:17 < gustft> at 3000 is still a big difference compared to freebsd 50 no? Is it this causing the cpu % difference?
15:18 < mischief> sheesh, always something
15:18 < mischief> can't get openbsd to install in qemu with uefi
15:18 < mischief> gustft: probably
15:18 < gustft> qemu with uefi?
15:19 < gustft> can I lower the interrupts rate?
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15:21 < mischief> aha. stupid OVMF had secureboot enabled
15:22 < gustft> mischief: can I ask why you use ovmf? Is it for testing or there is some advantages to it?
15:22 < mischief> i use efi everywhere pretty much
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15:28 < mischief> gustft: so on this vm i just installed, interrupts are like nonexistant
15:28 < mischief> 200/s, only from clock
15:28 < mischief> interestingly, it is still consuming 11% of one core on the host
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15:29 < thrig> Eject warp core? [Y/n/abort]
15:32 < mischief> could be something to write to the mailing list about :-)
15:35 < thrig> TODO get yelled at by Theo for spouting scifi nonesense on a public channel
15:35 < sibiria> mischief: doesn't that one metric vary a lot from one platform to another?
15:36 < sibiria> irq0/clock on my hardware triggers at a rate of like 800/s
15:36 < mischief> so does my router
15:36 < mischief> and i can take a guess they are both intel chipsets :-)
15:37 < sibiria> yes, odroid h3 with some celeron thing
15:37 < sibiria> intel me backdoor really is demanding, gotta keep ticking hard!
15:38 < thrig> maybe the KGB is doing bitcoin mining
15:38 < sibiria> at this rate they might have to
15:39 < sibiria> MEDVEDEV, WHERE ARE MY MINERS, GAY SLUT BLYAT
15:40 < mischief> sibiria: haha, mines odroid h2+ :)
15:40 < sibiria> (actual expletive by angry prigozhin on video)
15:40 < sibiria> mischief: pretty neat sbc. i'm quite happy with it
15:40 < sibiria> and openbsd runs great on it
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15:41 < mischief> you got the network addin card?
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15:42 < sibiria> no i have an nvme drive connected since i needed both sata ports for my dataz
15:42 < sibiria> using a plain netgear soho type switch instead
15:43 < mischief> ah. mines my router, so i just have one sata disk and the 4 port addin card.
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15:45 < sibiria> router here too, but multi-functional
15:45 < sibiria> plenty of CPU grunt and RAM to go around
15:46 < sibiria> i was looking around for a while for something similar but with one of the low-power Ryzens, but market was kind of empty for some reason, so eventually i caved in and got this one
15:46 < sibiria> for a while i was hoping PCengines would get around to making an AMD API, but alas...
15:46 < sibiria> APU*
15:47 < thrig> he's dead jim
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15:48 < sibiria> may he rest in peace
15:53 < gustft> freebsd handbook says to set kern.hz to 100 to lower cpu usage inside vms, the vm image I got already had it. Could this be relevant?
15:53 < thrig> excess ticks can spread lyme disease, so that sounds good
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15:56 < phy1729> sibiria: don't quote whatever the hell that was here
15:56 < sibiria> gustft: not sure you can control that
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15:57 < gustft> kern.hz at very least is not in openbsd
15:57 < gustft> verbatim I mean
15:58 < sibiria> might be something you can poke at in the kernel config
15:58 < sibiria> perhaps even at boot time
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15:59 < gustft> found on the freebsd forum "My FreeBSD VMs (OS X and FreeBSD VirtualBox hosts) are using 3-4% of the CPU at idle without that parameter."
16:00 < mischief> fortunately this isn't freebsd
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16:02 < mischief> https://serverfault.com/questions/759131/tuning-tips-for-cpu-load-for-openbsd-guest-on-qemu-kvm-server
16:02 < mischief> dont think hpet had much effect, removing usb actually did appear to lower host load
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16:04 < gustft> I don't have usb already
16:04 < sibiria> in the past when i kept a few VMMs running i achieved better stability and time-keeping on the guests when the host used hpet instead of tsc
16:04 < sibiria> tsc led to a bit of drift and eventually the VMMs hard-freezing
16:05 < sibiria> the downside is that hpet is a bit costlier in other ways. tsc can be pulled directly from the CPU's internals
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21:05 < AlaskanEmily> Can I use `doas -u` to execute a command as a nologin user?
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21:07 < pardis> seems like an easy thing to try and find out
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21:09 < AlaskanEmily> I'm getting errors from it (just "Operation not permitted"), and I'm wondering if this is because my configuration for doas is wrong, the user itself has some issues, or it's just not something doas will do.
21:10 < pardis> doas should log violations to /var/log/secure, there may be an explanation in there
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21:10 < pardis> but without further information, that sounds like it's probably an incorrect doas.conf to me
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21:12 < AlaskanEmily> Ah I think I'm a fool, I needed to permit for root, not the nologin user, I think.
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21:13 < AlaskanEmily> var/log/secure was, in fact, useful
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21:41 < osc> hi, I have trouble upgrading my openbsd installation. With 7.2 everything was fine, the problem started when I tried to upgrade to 7.3.. also tried 7.3-current, same problem.
21:41 < osc> It always gets stuck after 'Making all device nodes... done'. No errors, but the install / upgrade script won't continue.
21:41 < osc> I already checked the fs for errors, and ensured that there is enough space available.
21:41 < osc> Any idea what could be wrong? This is a vm hosted at netcup.
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22:02 < Newbix> try to stop ntpd slaacd and other services you don't use ?
22:02 < Newbix> @osc
22:03 < Newbix> using: rcctl stop _servicename
22:04 < Newbix> try to be strict about pf something like that
22:05 < Newbix> use verbose like -vvvvv
22:08 < pardis> er, what? none of those suggestions are even applicable to this situation
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22:12 < pardis> osc: the next step after that is installing the bootloader
22:12 < pardis> you could escape to a shell (before finishing the installation, so you avoid the hang) and run 'installboot -v sd0' (or whichever is your boot disk)
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22:22 < osc> pardis thanks, I'll try this later today (it's already 12:22 am here)
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