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06:02 < luna> https://www.bsdnow.tv/507 openBSD books in the latest BSD Now
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06:43 < luna> with mwl@
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06:54 < renaud> sibiria: thanks
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09:25 < meena> "I'm sure there's an anti-lawnmower filter" — apparently there is.!
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10:30 < Voyager_MP> (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i965_dri.so
10:30 < Voyager_MP> is there a way to get the missing so ?
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13:53 < leah> i have a question about cvs/git for openbsd: for a given program in src/, how can i easily determine what revision of it (in the src git/cvs) landed in a particular openbsd release?
13:53 < leah> say, which version landed in 7.0 versus 7.2 or something like that
13:54 < leah> fyi i'm looking in the github mirror but if there's easy way to do it in the cvs, i can look at that. right now i'm guessing, just based on revision dates
13:54 < leah> i'm exploring and trying to fix this bug: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/u9kn9u/openbsd_71_regressions/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
13:54 < leah> it's either your bug or coreboot's. i'm trying to figure which is the case
13:55 < leah> it's triggered when the ttyflags program runs. i know you lot don't like coreboot, that's fair enough. i'm exploring this myself and i'll send a patch anyway, if my fix ends up being on your side
13:58 < thrig> perhaps files are tagged with TOPENBSD_7_3 or whatever
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14:01 < leah> ah ha
14:01 < leah> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sbin/ttyflags/ttyflags.c
14:01 < leah> yes, your cvsweb makes it easy. disregard.
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14:02 < leah> yeah i have that specific machine. just getting notes ready and am going to test it. i doubt the ttyflags program itself is a culprit, the only changes since 7.0 pertain to: errant ? case above default in a switch case, and a parameter in an open() call
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14:03 < leah> i managed to reproduce the error myself
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14:06 < leah> i'm not offended btw. your attitude about coreboot is a challenge, not an insult.... i'm gonna see if i can fix this :)
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14:30 < lavaball> how does mupen64plus perform?
14:31 < leah> i've nailed down pretty much, just by intuition, where the problem is
14:32 < leah> i know the where, but not the what/why. the where is: for loop inside all(), in sbin/ttyflags/ttyflags.c
14:33 < leah> it is never exiting that for loop, on the affected machine
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14:47 < leah> but i don't think this is openbsd's bug
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14:50 < leah> or at least, bug isn't in ttyflags. it's elsewhere. but the bug presents itself when setting tty flags
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15:23 < leah> macros... everywhere. i'm digging around in device init in the kernel
15:25 < leah> that for loop in all() in ttyflags, isn't exiting, because tep is always null. which makes me think tty wasn't initialised or something. i'm told 7.0 works well on the affected machine (thinkpad x60, coreboot)
15:25 < leah> but ttyflags -a crashes, causing system hang at bootup
15:26 < leah> (crashes in 7.1 and up)
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15:26 < leah> so, it makes sense to look what changed in dev init for ttys
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15:27 < leah> i really hope obsd switches to git eventually. cvs makes everything so much harder
15:27 < leah> i'm using your github mirror. gonna do a bisect later, i'll find exactly what broke that machine
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16:09 < bsandro> leah: s/git/mercurial/ :P
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16:13 < thrig> fossil technologies, all of these
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16:31 < leah> got looks interesting
16:31 < leah> and i know everyone knows what that is here, no point linking
16:33 < sibiria> great tv-show indeed, despite the last season
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16:40 < leah> oh my
16:40 < shiranaihito_> Game of Thrones was Epic until the showrunners ran out of material prepared by the book author.. and then they ran it into the ground
16:40 < leah> i've never actually seen the show, but i do find the name got amusing because of that
16:42 < shiranaihito_> and did anyone else watch the first season of "The Wheel of Time"? .. what a fucking travesty.. all they had to do was actually adapt the books and they'd have had a *massive* hit (and cash cow) on their hands.. buuut they just had to turn it into the usual "woke agenda" shit
16:42 < phy1729> shiranaihito_: keep it topical please
16:42 < leah> i wonder if got supports bisect
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16:43 < shiranaihito_> phy1729 so why didn't you reprimand anyone else for not talking about OpenBSD? :P
16:43 < sibiria> does game of trees offer anything at all that svn and git does not have?
16:43 < leah> i'm sitting here sifting through sys/, now at someone's house looking after their dogs while they're out for the evening
16:43 < phy1729> shiranaihito_: you took it quite a bit further
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16:43 < shiranaihito_> phy1729 so what? we're just people talking about stuff.. we don't need The Topic Police to participate
16:43 < sibiria> or is it just another license thing in the line of many
16:43 < shiranaihito_> (and if you do, be consistent)
16:45 < shiranaihito_> sibiria i have no clue about this but i doubt it's any better than git :)
16:45 < Lucas6023> sibiria: got UI is waaaaaaaaaay better than that of git
16:45 < shiranaihito_> UI? they actually have a user interface, or do you just mean the useability of the CLI?
16:45 < leah> well got does have one major benefit over git
16:46 < leah> https://got.gameoftrees.org/?action=blob&commit=b156a14e478c9485a080a24f237f70b6c8984182&file=gotd.c&folder=%2Fgotd&path=got.git
16:46 < leah> that is insanely clean code, compared to git
16:46 < Lucas6023> a CLI is a UI, as much as a TUI and GUI are.
16:47 < sibiria> Lucas6023: hm, not so sure. i recall reading the brief on it some time ago and the most basic and common examples were quite identical to git ditto
16:47 < leah> i'm just mildly irritated because that file has main() on bottom
16:47 < leah> i notice a lot of openbsd code does prototypes and then main() on top, top-down order of functions. it's quite nice
16:47 < Lucas6023> I'm sure, as I use both got and git extensively. :shrug:
16:47 < shiranaihito_> leah i'll take your word for it.. i'm not a C/C++ developer
16:47 < leah> when i have to physically scroll to start reading the first line of code, i get angry for some reason
16:47 < shiranaihito_> but which has the better design/architecture is probably the most important question
16:48 < sibiria> even the syntax is almost a direct facsimile of git
16:48 < leah> also using unveil in version control is... genius
16:48 < shiranaihito_> leah using it how?
16:48 < sibiria> the license angle, of course, is understandable
16:48 < Lucas6023> sibiria: did you try to use got or your points are anecdotical?
16:49 < leah> ell look at the file i linked
16:49 < sibiria> Lucas6023: yes, one of those
16:49 < shiranaihito_> Lucas6023 he'd need to have used it for his points to be anecdotal :)
16:49 < leah> also is that got's own web thing?
16:49 < Lucas6023> no. "I read somewhere ..." is an anecdote. "leah told me that the code is clean" is an anecdote.
16:49 < leah> last i checked, got's web browsing for sources was still cgit
16:50 < sibiria> yes, i've actually tested GoT on the side. but there's nothing anecdotal about recognizing where the syntax was inspired from
16:50 < sibiria> ... thank you for explaining what an anecdote is :D
16:50 < leah> oh, yeah well "clean" is an opinion. i've been reading a lot of bsd code in general
16:50 < leah> that coding style has rubbed off on me and i've been adapting it for my own projects
16:50 < leah> that style: https://man.openbsd.org/style.9
16:51 < leah> whenever i read other codebases now, i get annoyed by them and start converting them to that
16:51 < Lucas6023> shiranaihito_: but I'd take your point, regarding first-hand anecdotes.
16:52 < shiranaihito_> Lucas6023 hmm yeah, i thought any "anecdote" would involve personal experience but it seems it's not that clear-cut
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16:54 < Lucas6023> sibiria: re:ui, in particular, they didn't make the mistake of having rebase do lots of different things (normal rebase is got rebase, interactive rebase is got histedit), checkout not doing a shitton of unrelated things (git checkout branch is got up -b branch, git checkout commit is got up -c commit, git checkout -- path is got revert path)
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16:55 < Lucas6023> personally I consider that they use the "porcelain" format for got status an advantage, but I can see most people differing with that
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16:56 < coreystephanphd> During sysupgrade to latest snapshot, I get the error message during the fw_update step that the disk is out of space. Guessing it is a tmp problem. I used defaults during installation on the ThinkPad X270 with a 128 GB SSD back in 7.2 days. Workaround, or do I need to go nuclear and manually allocate more tmp?
16:56 < leah> but yeah that's how i view got. the coding style
16:56 < Lucas6023> not something from the UI itself, but promoting anonymous SSH access and (at least currently) not supporting HTTP is also another positive thing
16:57 < Lucas6023> coreystephanphd: how much space do you have in /tmp ?
16:58 < Lucas6023> under normal use, it should be almost empty, and I see it quite hard for fw_update to fetch over 1GB of data.
16:58 < Lucas6023> I doubt that /tmp size is the issue
16:59 < sibiria> from a usability perspective it will be appreciated if GoT doesn't up as kludgy as git can be for some operations
16:59 < Lucas6023> you could try running `ksh -x "$(command -v sysupgrade)"` to have a better idea of where you run into such issue too, coreystephanphd
17:00 < Lucas6023> sibiria: like what?
17:00 < sibiria> coreystephanphd: it can be a /home and /var problem as well
17:00 < Bradipo> Unlikely /home...
17:00 < Bradipo> The documentation recommends appropriately sizing /usr
17:00 < sibiria> not sure if fw_update drops anything in _sysupgrade during that phase. but that's where the rest goes
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17:01 < Lucas6023> imo /home is the most likely to run out of space.
17:01 < sibiria> Lucas6023: fixing merge conflicts through rebasing is one of those things that almost all git beginners run into problems with
17:02 < sibiria> no other single git topic ends up with as many questions
17:02 < Bradipo> Perhaps that should lead one to question the need for "git rebase"...
17:03 < sibiria> same with things that should never seen as complicated, like undoing N number of commits. almost equally hot topic on stackoverflow or wherever
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17:14 < sibiria> coreystephanphd: what do you see with "df -h"?
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17:29 < coreystephanphd> sibiria: Ah. /dev/sd0a is over 100% capacity. 986MB of 986MB. So, that is the problem, but I am at a loss as to how that might have happened from just doing routine updates since 7.2 days.
17:29 < coreystephanphd> Is there some sysupgrade cache to be cleared or some such thing?
17:30 < coreystephanphd> (/dev/sd0a is / -- root)
17:30 < Lucas6023> the most common cause is a regular file under /dev
17:31 < Lucas6023> anyway, easy way to determine:
17:31 < Lucas6023> cd /
17:31 < Lucas6023> doas du -sh *
17:31 < Lucas6023> ehm, doas du -shx *
17:32 < Lucas6023> with that you'll find the heaviest directory or file in the partition
17:32 < sibiria> coreystephanphd: that depends on if you have separate file systems for /home and /var
17:32 < Lucas6023> I think they said 128 GB and default partition scheme
17:32 < sibiria> sysupgrade will drop the new release in /home/_sysupgrade
17:33 < sibiria> but do as Lucas6023 suggested and tally all the things seen in /
17:33 < sibiria> will tell you what's chock full
17:33 < coreystephanphd> sibiria: I just use the defaults, since OpenBSD is picky, and I am not in the business of headaches. Lucas6023 : All that is taking meaningful space in / directly is the kernel.
17:34 < coreystephanphd> (bsd.booted/rd/sp)
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17:35 < coreystephanphd> (At a mininum, at least I have learned quickly that I was right to come ask for help, as this is *not* expected behavior when using defaults.)
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17:35 < sibiria> the default layout needs a revision. it's not really ideal anymore
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17:36 < pardis> 'du -hxd1 / | sort -h' is better, 'du -shx *' will also tally up usage of mount points directly under /, like /home
17:36 < pardis> and make sure you're root so you can actually read all those files
17:38 < pardis> the last line in the output of that command will be a total for /; if that is less than df shows, then you have a process holding an unlinked file open
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17:40 < coreystephanphd> pardis: sibiria: /dev is at 845M. That is the problem.
17:40 < pardis> that's what Lucas6023 suggested, you've most likely written a regular file in /dev
17:40 < sibiria> dd accident
17:41 < pardis> 'ls -lrS /dev' to identify it, then delete it
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17:45 < coreystephanphd> pardis: Lucas6023: sibiria: ++ That was it. dd error from a week or 2 ago. I wrote an iso to /dev instead of an actual device. Brilliant. Thanks, folks :)
17:45 < coreystephanphd> (Is that a common-ish mistake, at least among newb-ish people?)
17:45 < sibiria> happens now and then, yes
17:47 < pardis> especially people who come from Linux or FreeBSD and have trouble with the concept of /dev just being an ordinary directory
17:48 < Bradipo> haha, and yet, on Linux, /dev used to be just an ordinary directory.
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17:56 < coreystephanphd> pardis: That is uhhh probably me ? I knew both FreeBSD and Linux better than OpenBSD before coreystephan.com/openbsd-thinkpad :)
17:56 < coreystephanphd> Anyway, I really appreciate it, folks. That was terrific. On the latest snapshot now.
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18:12 < coreystephanphd> (I use FreeBSD on one ThinkPad and OpenBSD on another. Great for keeping up-to-date and so forth. Occasionally bad when things like this happen.)
18:13 < thrig> how is forth involved?
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18:14 < coreystephanphd> thrig: Nice :)
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18:47 < tercaL> Hi
18:48 < lavaball> so i did route -T2 sourceaddr 10.0.0.2, but it still only works if i have a nat-to 10.0.0.2 infront of the rtable 2 in pf. so what is this good for? absolutely nothing! say it again, yeah!!!
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18:58 < lavaball> seriously. even says IPv4: 10.0.0.2, ipv6: default.still uses the ipv4 of re0.
18:58 < lavaball> not wg0.
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19:21 < mischief> just me or the serial console of vmd instances is very slow?
19:21 < mischief> it's like watching a real teletypewriter
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19:27 < seninha> mischief: you can connect via ssh to the vm after have it installed
19:28 < seninha> but yeah, it is slow. vmctl console should accept cu(1) flags (especially the speed one)
19:29 < sibiria> tried putting 'stty 115200 com0' to /etc/boot.conf of the guest?
19:30 < Lucas6023> iirc (not specified by the manual, but exposed on `ps`), the default baudrate is 115200
19:30 < sibiria> or other way around for the arguments maybe, i forget
19:30 < Lucas6023> also I think it's as slow as it's with any other serial port
19:31 < Lucas6023> I manage my APUs that way and yes, you'll be doomed if you output more than one screenful of bytes thru the console
19:31 < sibiria> last i used the serial console, 9600 was the default. that was more than a few years ago
19:31 < mischief> ooooh
19:31 < mischief> i may have forgotten to set baud in the guest
19:31 < mischief> (it's linux)
19:31 < mischief> let's try
19:32 < thrig> vmd said 115200 baud just now. but it was slow.
19:33 < sibiria> ok so that's vmd, but what about comN in the guest?
19:33 < sibiria> it won't go faster than that
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19:33 < thrig> stty -a in the guest also said 115200
19:33 < sibiria> 115kbaud should feel snappy enough
19:34 < Lucas6023> also I think it won't work with different baudrates
19:34 < sibiria> it will work in one direction, not the other
19:34 < thrig> but top(1) took a while to get the caracters up, hence, "but it was slow"
19:34 < sibiria> slower baudrates can propagate further to faster ones
19:34 < sibiria> sending too fast to a slow terminal will cause lost bytes
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19:35 < sibiria> or can, rather, depending on control bits and other black magic
19:36 < mischief> duh. i had console=ttyS0 in the guest kernel cmdline, but forgot the ,115200 part :-)
19:36 < mischief> much better now
19:36 < thrig> (but I don't use vmd much, and I'd probably just ssh in)
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20:03 < Newbix> on pkg_add, having https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/O.../: ftp: connect: Permission denied
20:04 < Newbix> over vpn is a server side response ?
20:04 < Newbix> s/is a/ is it a
20:04 < thrig> what happened when you tried some other mirror
20:06 < Newbix> via cdn. no route to host
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20:16 < Newbix> both no route to host or permission denied
20:16 < pardis> sounds like your networking is broken
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20:22 < k_wolf> Hi folks. Does openbsd have something similar to pacemaker and corosync for HA clusters ?
20:23 < Newbix> OK was pf thanks
20:23 < thrig> there's nothing to carp about
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20:36 < Newbix> why many people here prefer to use snapshot please?
20:37 < thrig> you'd have to ask them
20:37 < pardis> if you are unable to solve problems connecting to a mirror on your own, you should not run snapshots
20:37 < pardis> they will break from time to time and you should be able to fix minor problems by yourself
20:38 < Newbix> good point
20:38 < thrig> (mirrors can also bread for stable)
20:38 < Newbix> ty
20:38 < thrig> break.
20:38 < pardis> I mean the snapshots themselves can break
20:38 < thrig> current does have extra blades of blading
20:40 < thrig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OU96za6czU
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21:04 < Newbix> xenodm.log tell me rk driver is not found. can I get the rk driver somewhere or by installing a package?
21:05 < Newbix> having the pinebookpro
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21:14 < sibiria> no
21:15 < thrig> unless the package contained an openbsd developer who can then ...
21:16 < sibiria> a tiny, diminutive, modern and efficient japanese openbsd developer
21:16 < thrig> probably it will instead be a bobcat
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21:23 < Newbix> I don't understand the joke :) anyway thanks
21:24 < thrig> xkcd://325
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21:27 < sibiria> unfortunately you will probably be stuck with software framebuffer on the PBP for...ever, maybe
21:28 < sibiria> there's been a tendency to quickly create basic support for new Arm platforms and then never revisit them to improve
21:31 < Newbix> Xorg.0.log say loading modesetting_drv.so
21:31 < Newbix> this one is a generic?
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21:34 < Newbix> sibiria thanks
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