--- Log opened Thu May 25 00:00:50 2023
00:02 < Lucas6023> ty
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00:20 < vortexx> Lucas6023: have you updated over time to all the latest releases of the coreboot firmware for your APU6?
00:21 < seninha> hi, how can i check (from the .core file generated by the aborted process) which call violated a pledge promise?
00:23 < pardis> it's easier to find that information from dmesg
00:24 < pardis> but you can use gdb (or egdb) to generate a backtrace from the core file, which should show you which libc syscall stub it's in
00:25 < seninha> pardis, thanks, i didn't know that shows up on dmesg
00:28 < seninha> "prot_exec"? That's weird, i have used XCreatePixmap before and that never required prot_exec...
00:29 < thrig> x11 programs like to randomly call fontconfig or whatnot, which pledge may shoot down
00:34 < seninha> i know that x11 programs do randomly access database files at /usr/X11R6, like when it fails it get error message from the errordb, that's why i pledge "rpath"
00:35 < seninha> (there's a workaround tho https://github.com/openbsd/xenocara/blob/master/app/xclock/xclock.c#L230 )
00:35 < seninha> but prot_exec is new for me
00:36 < seninha> i'm pledging x11/pmenu btw
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00:36 < seninha> https://github.com/phillbush/pmenu
00:44 < thrig> for example, libfontconfig might be dlopen'd and thus needs to be mapped into memory
00:52 < seninha> weird... i have another pledged program (x11/xfiles) which uses fontconfig and does not use prot_exec in the promises
00:55 < seninha> hmm, this one also dlopens png because of imlib2
00:55 < seninha> and imlib2 can probably dlopen other stuff
00:56 < seninha> i can add all that on LDFLAGS, but i can probably miss something imlib can use
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01:02 < seninha> imlib2 also requires "recvfd". I'm doing pledge("exec proc prot_exec recvfd rpath stdio unix", NULL).
01:02 < seninha> I should probably just leave it unpledged...
01:03 < seninha> Imlib2 and x11 are complicating stuff
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01:06 < oldlaptop> I suppose the attempt alone is educational
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01:09 < Lucas6023> vortexx: no, but there weren't that much releases afterwards
01:11 < Lucas6023> I really think that the issue is the mPCIe drive I'm using
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01:11 < Lucas6023> and the issue persist after using a power brick that is supposed to deliver 5A
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01:11 < Lucas6023> or 3.5A, can't remember now from the top of my head
01:12 < Lucas6023> vs the 2A that comes with the standard power brick from PCEngines
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01:41 < vortexx> testing i211 from the APU6 vs the i210 on the APU2... i211 is close to 600MBps whilst the APU2 is barely at 420MBps, seems to have gotten worse somehow because of the hw tx/rx offloading?
01:42 < vortexx> Lucas6023: yeah probably your mPCIe drive. Have you tried activating watchdog in BIOS to help with the hanging?
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01:53 < dlg> which drivers for the nics?
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01:55 < Intrepid> Hi all, I'm getting ready to install 7.3 ... Is it true that the installation process now includes the ability to encrypt the whole drive? (guided) ?
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02:00 < Intrepid> If so, does this mean I get an entirely reformatted and repartitioned drive (deleting all past disk contents) ?
02:03 < vortexx> dlg: em
02:03 < dlg> on both types of APU?
02:03 < vortexx> Intrepid: yes it includes the ability to encrypt it all, and will of course wipe all data by doing so
02:03 < vortexx> dlg: yes
02:03 < dlg> weird
02:06 < Intrepid> thanks vortexx !
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02:07 < Intrepid> The one thing I envisage potentially missing from my existing install is some kind of aliasing command I used at one point to maek it so that FWWM2 command lines show the directory I'm in at any given time... Which file would I need to backup to keep that feature?
02:08 < Intrepid> oh and btw, does 7.3 do away with the need for Obsdfreq to keep CPU temps down?
02:08 < thrig> when did fvwm get command lines?
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02:09 < Intrepid> Ah maybe I'm referring to something else... Whatever the default command line is that you get with a fresh openbsd install (typically shows as $username
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02:11 < thrig> probably you are talking about your shell configuration, which may run in some sort of X terminal, which is all unrelated to the window manager
02:11 < Intrepid> sure... x terminal
02:11 < Intrepid> so do we still need obsdfreqd or has that issue been resolved in 7.3?
02:13 < vortexx> Intrepid: to preserve your PS1 setting either it's ~/.profile or /etc/profile
02:13 < Intrepid> thks again vortexx
02:15 < vortexx> you're welcome
02:20 < Lucas6023> vortexx: there is no watchdog support from OpenBSD side. There is patch sent on 2020-02-08 with subject "piixpm(4) support for AMD FCH watchdog", for which claudio@ made some comment but was never followed-up.
02:20 < Lucas6023> also, I prefer dealing with the issues with an stable mPCIe instead :D
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02:36 < Intrepid> /away
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02:40 < househorse> /here
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03:32 < Intrepid> /quit
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09:17 < finkfox> anybody know a simple online store that operates well with openbsd? maybe even in ports?
09:17 < finkfox> I see "odoo" but that seems rather bloated
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09:23 < sibiria> there are loads of such for wordpress
09:24 < zelest> sibiria, please no :(
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09:31 < sibiria> "let's roll our own from scratch. it will be more secure"
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09:44 < finkfox> sibiria: I was hoping to avoid wordpress
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13:22 < seninha> hi. i saw that OpenBSD supports the Freescale i.MX 7 ARM processor, which can be found on some e-readers (those devices with e-ink and e-stuff). Do you know whether anyone has successfuly installed OpenBSD on an e-reader?
13:23 < seninha> i want to hack my new kobo. i just installed Debian on it, but i like OpenBSD more.
13:23 < IcePic> the cpu is a rather small part of porting to a new arch
13:24 < IcePic> if you have no idea on how to find the display, the drive(s), the keyboard/inputs, having the same "cpu" as a working platform does not make it very useful.
13:24 < thrig> especially arm which aren't wired up like IBM PC
13:25 < Lucas6023> and don't forget that there is no MP support for ARM
13:25 < Lucas6023> armv7 to be precise
13:25 < Lucas6023> arm64 does have MP support
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13:30 < seninha> i see
13:31 < seninha> thanks
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15:50 < psionic> What the minimal install size in MB for the base system and which bsd is the smallest?
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15:53 < Tekk> I think a base OpenBSD install runs in the hundreds of mb
15:54 < Tekk> poking around with du I think base would be ~2GB?
15:55 < Tekk> My install's on the old side and I have a bunch of stuff installed so I had to do a bunch of -x stuff
15:55 < Tekk> 1.2G in /usr, 400 meg in X11r6, ~200 meg in /
15:55 < Tekk> If I remember right netbsd's the smallest out of the box, but don't quote me on that.
15:56 < mason> FreeBSD might be fairly minimal given that it doesn't ship X.
15:56 < Tekk> Does net? Last time I got that up I thought I had to add X in myself
15:57 < mason> Sans kernel, a base FreeBSD 13....2? system here shows up around 650M
15:57 < Tekk> FreeBSD might be smaller just because iirc they got rid of the whole base system idea. isn't everything in packages like linux over there now? I haven't run FBSD in a hot minute
15:57 < mason> X is the big thing.
15:58 < thrig> 1BSD should be pretty small
15:58 < Tekk> 1BSD?
15:59 < thrig> 2.11BSD is still being maintained, too
16:00 < Tekk> On the topic of tiny install sizes, I wonder if I could do the same trick I did before to fit linux on a floppy with openbsd
16:00 < Tekk> Might be harder to trim the openbsd kernel down to fit in ~1mb than Linux though
16:01 < Tekk> Would ~2.8mb be small enough for you psionic ? c:
16:01 < mason> $ ls -lh /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-22-amd64
16:01 < mason> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.8M Apr 22 08:24 /boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-22-amd64
16:01 < Tekk> linux has "make allnoconfig" though, which gets it down to a few hundred k
16:01 < mason> ah, didn't know that
16:02 < Tekk> Yeah, mine was allnoconfig then I just went in and turned on ext2 and loadable module support, came in at ~1.2M
16:02 < Tekk> That way I could at least load up another floppy with kernel modules and add drivers if I needed to
16:02 < mason> and then you realize you've got a USB keyboard :P
16:02 < Tekk> That was the trick!
16:02 < Tekk> I did it on a Thinkpad T41 so that the keyboard was ps/2 :p
16:02 < mason> heh
16:03 < Tekk> The USB stack adds like 1mb in itself because then it needs the whole scsi stack
16:04 < Tekk> Iirc that's what stopped me. Needed to squeeze the USB stack in because I only had a USB floppy drive but it was just a bit too tight. That and fighting to get gcc & friends working on musl (which an openbsd rebase would help with, thinking about it)
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20:42 < Tekk> Anyone seen kristaps around in a while? bsd.lv seems to have gone down at some point.
20:42 < Tekk> Luckily archive.org exists and all the docs for kcgi are in man pages, but I'm curious if something happened
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20:45 < seninha> Hi, i have a few virtual machines with two interfaces: one to the host's physical network, and the other to a virtual network. It works, but the guests cannot resolve names on the virtual network (only on the physical network). my configs: https://ttm.sh/Bh3.txt
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20:46 < seninha> the host is also a dhcpd server on the virtual network to assign ips to the vms on that network
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20:47 < seninha> are my config files ok? what should i do for names to resolve on the virtual network (when i disable the "physical" one, for example)
20:47 < seninha> ?
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20:49 < thrig> where is the DNS configuration?
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20:53 < seninha> thrig: wdym?
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20:54 < seninha> i tried to set up unbound(8) on the host; but with it enabled, i can only resolve a name on the virtual machine if i have already been resolved on the host
20:57 < sibiria> are you sure unbound allows the network of the guest?
20:58 < sibiria> that is, do you have an interface and an access-control statement?
20:59 < sibiria> if you happen to toggle vmd on and off, your unbound config may also need ip-transparent enabled
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21:04 < seninha> (my network knowledge tends to zero, so i can be talking shit) is it necessary for the host to have nsd or unbound enabled and configured?
21:05 < seninha> also, here's all the configs with /var/unbound/etc/unbound.conf (it is disabled rn): https://ttm.sh/BhC.txt
21:05 < thrig> local DNS tends to require an authoritative server. or you could throw everything in the hosts file
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21:08 < sibiria> i didn't look at your pf setup, but try adding to unbound: access-control: 100.64.0.0/10 allow
21:09 < sibiria> the forward zone doesn't seem useful
21:09 < pardis> given that none of the guests appear to have addresses in 100.64.0.0/10, that seems unlikely to do anything
21:09 < thrig> (also unbound isn't really an authoritative server)
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21:11 < seninha> yeah, guests are on 10.0.0.0/24. And there's an "access-control: 10.0.0.0/24 allow" there.
21:12 < sibiria> so look at the forward zones. they don't seem useful
21:13 < seninha> the unbound configuration is the one whose correctness i am least confident about
21:13 < sibiria> forwarding back to itself, and to somewhere else in your LAN
21:13 < sibiria> try just a single forward-addr: 9.9.9.9
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21:13 < sibiria> to make it forward to something out on the itnernet that actually exists
21:17 < seninha> can i make it forward to the ip at /etc/resolv.conf (so it can use whatever the home router is using)?
21:19 < sibiria> you can set the same ip, but you can't ask it to read the file to get the ip
21:19 < seninha> hmm
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21:22 < pardis> if you want to query the same resolver as the host, you don't need unbound for that
21:22 < pardis> just configure the host as a router and pass udp/53 and tcp/53 with pf
21:22 < pardis> possibly with nat-to, if you need that
21:23 < pardis> then configure each guest to use the resolver you want
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21:34 < seninha> pardis: thanks
21:35 < seninha> i'm not quite sure what i need to change on pf.conf
21:35 < seninha> i still need to read the Book of PF (and the manuals) carefully
21:37 < pardis> option 3 here is sufficient for this purpose: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html#VMMnet
21:37 < pardis> you just want to make sure you only pass udp and tcp ports 53 if you don't want the guests to have access to the internet
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21:38 < pardis> it looks like you already have that set up? do you have IP forwarding turned on?
21:38 < seninha> pardis: no, i want them to have access to the Internet
21:39 < pardis> then what you have is sufficient, assuming you have also turned on IP forwarding per the FAQ
21:39 < seninha> pardis:yes, i do have IP forwarding turned on.
21:39 < pardis> or should be sufficient, anyway
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21:42 < seninha> still cannot resolve names on the guest
21:42 < seninha> i can ping a ip on the Internet, but not a url
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22:25 < Bradipo> Does perl have an option similar to sh -x ?
22:25 < Bradipo> Ahh, never mind... I think a search engine found it.
22:26 < Bradipo> Seems that lately, search engines are trying to be too smart in their results.
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23:56 < riceandbeans> If you see constant auth failure attempts on your opensmtpd from a whole series of addresses, what might you change, or is that just expected in this era?
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23:57 < mason> riceandbeans: I like combing through mail logs periodically and blacklisting offenders.
23:58 < mason> By periodically I mean "every minute" so they don't get that much of a chance.
23:58 < riceandbeans> mason: It's a lot though ma
23:58 < mason> It is, yes.
23:58 < riceandbeans> Man there's like, one every five seconds.
23:58 < mason> A distinct, new one every five seconds?
23:59 < riceandbeans> Not on the dot, but about that frequency, and yeah not the same IPs
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