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00:00 < mason> I bet you'd find enough common ones that nuking them periodically would be worth it. Maybe limit the entries to a week or something so they don't grow forever.
00:00 < riceandbeans> Well, actually, seems to be a lot from a cidr
00:00 < riceandbeans> 46.148.40.0/24 seems to have most
00:00 < thrig> or put the smtpd behind a vpn, especially the auth bit
00:01 < mason> I'd be more careful automating bans of netblocks, but it's still a reasonable thing to do.
00:01 < mason> I had Seychelles blocked for a long time.
00:03 < riceandbeans> thrig: You think just blocking off 465/587 would make it quiet?
00:03 < riceandbeans> I blocked that /24 and haven't seen anything in a minute yet
00:03 < thrig> we have always been at war with Seychelles
00:04 < riceandbeans> lol
00:04 < riceandbeans> I couldn't spot it on the map if I had to
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00:05 < thrig> and that's why you drop asteroids on the planet
00:05 < thrig> looks good on the security compliance review
00:05 < pardis> she sells Seychelles on the dnsbl
00:06 < riceandbeans> So, looking up that block, it looks like it's Iranian.
00:06 < riceandbeans> I think I'm ok with blocking access from Iran.
00:07 < riceandbeans> Still no new messages since blocking that Iranian block though, so you were write mason there was more commonality than I was paying attention to.
00:07 < mason> riceandbeans: Your best bet is to automate it. Have a system for easily combing through and adding new entries, and maybe have them expire. Have a related procedure for handling netblocks.
00:08 < riceandbeans> If only there was a practical extraction and reporting language that could be used like a swiss army chainsaw to comb through logs
00:08 < mason> :P
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00:09 < mason> I should reimplement mine in Perl someday. Today it's just shell and awk.
00:09 < pardis> it's 2023, you'll need an electron app instead
00:09 < mason> Geez, I just looked at my code. It'd be so much nicer as Perl.
00:10 < uwharrie> sounds like pf-badhost
00:10 < mason> https://www.geoghegan.ca/pfbadhost.html
00:10 < riceandbeans> Though, I did write a parser for these already in Rust the other day as an experiment.
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00:11 < riceandbeans> I didn't tie it in to pf though.
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00:11 < mason> pf-badhost seems kind of nice.
00:11 < riceandbeans> Guess I could do an anchor file and just be lazy and dump shit into a file
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00:13 < uwharrie> it'll pull from blacklists, use country/TLD blocks, and parse through logs looking for repeated auth failures
00:13 < riceandbeans> Hmmm. Could be worth trying out
00:13 < riceandbeans> I have a monstrous table in my pf for blocking all China
00:14 < seninha> meh, i was getting too much headache trying to do that... so i have just put a "option domain-name-servers 9.9.9.9;" on my /etc/dhcpd.conf; and now i can resolve names on my vms
00:15 < uwharrie> I was blocking Russia, China, Romania, India, Turkey and Brazil, but it got where it was too slow to generate the block table
00:15 < riceandbeans> Was it chewing memory to host the table/
00:16 < uwharrie> not that I ever noticed
00:16 < mason> I hate blocking whole countries generally, especially where there might be reasonable people with some reason to send email.
00:17 < mason> Better to apply heuristics and nab abusive IPs only, IMHO.
00:17 < mason> Seychelles suffered for never having any legitimate traffic coming from it.
00:17 < riceandbeans> I know a few devs in China, regrettably.
00:17 < riceandbeans> Blocking all Chinese traffic means I wouldn't be able to email them.
00:17 < riceandbeans> :\
00:18 < mason> Right. So just block abusive addresses.
00:18 < mason> My kingdom for a USB-serial adapter. I know I used to have at least one. Time to start digging.
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00:19 < mason> (I used to have a serial aggregator, but that's long gone. Would be nice to have it just now.)
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00:40 < Bradipo> pardis: Almost a tongue twister.
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01:08 < Tekk> Does anyone know of caveats to running sem_open in chroots?
01:09 < Tekk> For example on linux sem_open requires /dev/shm to exist. There's no /dev/shm on obsd but I'm getting some interesting errors (sem_open with an errno set to ENOENT) when a library I'm using calls sem_open within a chroot
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01:10 < dlg> i have vague memories that it uses /tmp on openbsd
01:11 < Tekk> That would explain everything
01:11 < Tekk> Thanks dlg 
01:11 < pardis> ktrace may also be enlightening
01:11 < thrig> likely, given that le man page mentions failing if something is owned by another user, or failing because of any reason unlink can come with
01:11 < Tekk> Before I had it magically start working when I'd set a path it wanted to open to /tmp
01:11 < Tekk> but in doing that, I'd made a /tmp in the chroot
01:11 < Tekk> making sem_open start working
01:12 < pardis> reading /usr/src/lib/librthread/rthread_sem.c is also enlightening
01:12 < Tekk> I had been, but like a big dumb idiot I'd just ^F'd for ENOENT :)
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01:13 < dlg> ive found that not all manpages have a complete list of errors that can be generated
01:13 < Tekk> might send a patch in with an update to the man page noting that these sem functions can throw ENOENT if /tmp isn't present, such as in a chroot
01:13 < Tekk> Mhm
01:14 < pardis> given that that error comes from open(2), it's probably better to reference open(2) rather than list every error that's also in open(2)
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01:27 < lani> stupid question, can someone point out the reason why my && operator doesn't work here?
01:27 < lani> aucat -o sound.wav && ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1920x1080 -r 30 -i $DISPLAY -c:v libx264 -preset ultrafast video.mkv
01:28 < thrig> maybe aucat isn't good with the exit status word
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01:29 < oldlaptop> lani: I'm not sure what you mean by "doesn't work". I don't know offhand when `aucat -o foo.wav` will terminate on its own at all, with any exit status
01:30 < thrig> echo foo & echo bar is like totally different
01:31 < lani> oldlaptop: I had this line wrapped in trap 'kill 0' INT ... kill 0 but same effect. basically, aucat records and if I kill it, then ffmpeg begins recording. 'doesn't work' I meant aucat and ffmpeg aren't recording at the same time.
01:32 < thrig> same time implies & is probably a better choice than &&
01:32 < oldlaptop> They sure shouldn't ever run at the same time, if && is "working" the way it's supposed to
01:33 < lani> ah yes, I started out with & but the result was the same 
01:34 < lani> actually not the same, they both record however neither file can be played after
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01:34 < pardis> how deep does the XY rabbit hole go?
01:34 < lani> i think aucat is being a bully
01:35 < oldlaptop> What do you mean by "cannot be played"? What happens when you try to play each file?
01:37 < AppleGNU> Has anyone received kernel panics as of late? I can’t even seem to get into single user mode.
01:37 < oldlaptop> to pardis' point, it seems likely there's a beginning somewhere you should start at
01:37 < thrig> The Big Bang. Chapter 1. 
01:37 < oldlaptop> AppleGNU: How "late", precisely? Under snapshots/-current?
01:37 < lani> the mkv file appears corrupt, 0kb file size and vlc/mpv won't play it. the wav file has an appropriate file size, and can be opened by the softwares but nothing plays
01:38 < AppleGNU> Yes oldlaptop. Shoulda been more specific.
01:38 < oldlaptop> What are you expecting to be in the wav file?
01:38 < lani> i can run the commands seperately and they work on their own, oddly. oldlaptop audio recording from my microphone
01:39 < oldlaptop> It won't be whatever audio is playing on the desktop, not unless you've set up a monitor device beforehand. If you're expecting to record from a microphone, are you sure you enabled the kern.audio.record sysctl? That the appropriate mixer controls are turned up and unmuted?
01:39 < oldlaptop> (under mixerctl, I should say)
01:40 < oldlaptop> AppleGNU: So, how "late" precisely, then?
01:40 < lani> yes, I tested both the aucat command and ffmpeg command seperately. so, i am able to record my desktop, and microphone with these commands successfully. however, I can't seem to combine them into one line.[
01:42 < oldlaptop> the last time I updated/built -current was Tuesday morning, according to that dmesg, and I've seen nothing obviously wrong with that (on the kvm build VM, or any of the three sandy bridge/core2 thinkpads that run those release builds)
01:42 < lani> I'll study it a bit more, I thought maybe someone knew something about aucat recording that might override whatever I was trying to dow ith mmpeg.
01:43 < AppleGNU> Within a couple of days I suppose
01:43 < oldlaptop> (I don't generally use binary snapshots, though, for mostly bad reasons.)
01:43 < oldlaptop> lani: There's no obvious reason it shouldn't work.
01:44 < lani> oldlaptop: gotcha, thanks 
01:44 < AppleGNU> Thought it might be a radeondrm issue, but disabling that at boot> doesn’t help
01:44 < pardis> one obvious reason aucat might be recording silence is if you haven't stopped your previous aucats run with &
01:44 < oldlaptop> That would be a problem, yeah.
01:45 < oldlaptop> It should be somewhat harder to leave old ffmpeg processes lying around, given how much that seems to spam stdout.
01:45 < lani> pardis: good insight pardis. I have checked this. also, it isn't recording silence, I think the file is corrupt. because it has a file size, but the audio file never actually begins playing when opened. but, i can record audio files with aucat-o $.wave just fine without the ffmpeg portion.
01:46 < oldlaptop> AppleGNU: I wouldn't be able to speak to that either, those thinkpads are all inteldrm (and old inteldrm at that)
01:47 < pardis> one would hope the panic message and/or trace would show you which driver is panicking
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01:50 < AppleGNU> Does this make sense? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/E10HLsKS/1685065792.JPG
01:50 < oldlaptop> Sure doesn't look like anything in radeondrm
01:50 < oldlaptop> the panic message we can't see anymore is pretty important, though
01:51 < pardis> this looks as though it is panicking in ffs while trying to load /sbin/init
01:51 < oldlaptop> (if that's a thinkpad with radeondrm, it's reasonably to be the same machine pardis has)
01:52 < oldlaptop> *reasonably likely
01:52 < pardis> mine is amdgpu, not radeondrm
01:52 < oldlaptop> Ah, right :|
01:52  * oldlaptop doesn't know offhand that there *are* any real thinkpads with radeondrm
01:53 < AppleGNU> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lmq3ugYF/1685065998.JPG
01:53 < oldlaptop> maaaaaaaybe those X130E things, to the extent those actually are thinkpads? which now that I see that corner radius might be exactly what that is :)
01:54 < AppleGNU> X131e
01:54 < thrig> if it quacks like a thinkpad, uh, not sure where this is going
01:55 < pardis> this trace is different enough that it doesn't look like any one particular driver
01:55 < pardis> disabling ffs might help avoid this particular panic, but is unadvisable for other reasons
01:55 < oldlaptop> I thought even those were too new to be radeonrdm, but fair enough. :) Was the panic message similar for the other one you showed?
01:55 < oldlaptop> Or was that different too?
01:56 < pardis> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/kern/subr_pool.c hasn't been modified since before 7.2
01:56 < pardis> though that doesn't rule out uncommitted patches being tested in snaps
01:57 < oldlaptop> could something else be clobbering the relevant datastructure?
01:57 < pardis> perhaps, I'm not exactly a kernel hacker
01:58 < oldlaptop> either way seems like the kind of thing that'd get noticed in a damn hurry
01:59 < oldlaptop> I'd maybe want to rule out the hardware dying before making bug reports (memtest? maybe try booting 7.3, or linux?)
02:00 < pardis> booting into bsd.rd might be worth a try also
02:00 < pardis> and bsd.booted should still be the previous (hopefully working) kernel, if the system is too broken for KARL to have run
02:01 < pardis> actually, bsd.booted gets copied well before KARL, but still, seems like the system might be too broken for even that
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03:10 < Intrepid> Hi all, not sure if you got my earlier msg but I'm trying to zero a USB drive using dd if=/dev/urandom and after 25 mins it seemed to have stalled or at least hadn't finished. How long does it take? I'm writing the zero's to a 32gb usb 2.0 stick on a 10 year old i5 laptop
03:11 < pardis> /dev/urandom will not produce zeroes
03:11 < thrig> openbsd ain't known for blazin' i/o saddles
03:11 < namtsui> you can send it a signal
03:11 < pardis> and how long it takes depends on your I/O speed
03:11 < pardis> send dd a SIGINFO to see current status
03:11 < namtsui> SIGINFO will print stuff
03:11 < Intrepid> true - its random entropy but still you know what I'm asking..
03:12 < Intrepid> I CTRL-Z'd it after 25 mins ... IF I retry it how do I add this siginfo command using X window input
03:14 < caze> Intrepid: What bs did you use?
03:14 < pardis> no need to retry, just 'fg' to resume
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03:15 < Intrepid> bs=1m
03:15 < pardis> and dd(1) describes SIGINFO behaviour with a reference to stty(1) for how to configure your terminal to send it
03:15 < Intrepid> thanks pardis ... looks like its "resuming" ?
03:16 < pardis> or you can just 'pkill -INFO dd' from another xterm
03:16 < Intrepid> yeh I'm looking at stty(1) man pages now...
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03:19 < Intrepid> ok, after using this pkill -INFO dd command from a 2nd Xterm I see the original Xterm window now shows 2405 records in, 2404 records out... xxxxx bytes transferred in xxxx seconds (55mins)
03:19 < Intrepid> but nothing resembling a % done or time to finish :/
03:20 < pardis> you have a number of bytes and a time and you know how big the disk is (dd doesn't know how big the disk is)
03:20 < Intrepid> ah I suspected this kind of number crunching would be required lol
03:20 < Intrepid> 25211961344 bytes
03:21 < Intrepid> is that 25gb ?
03:22 < Intrepid> ugh its 25mb
03:23 < Intrepid> so how to get a respectable level of DD entropy for this soon to be encrypted drive... Is there a quicker but still sufficient option other than dd if=/dev/urandom
03:24 < Intrepid> urandom needs to be rename SLOWrandom
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03:37 < Intrepid>  righteo to be continued now that its 64 mins in and 312 mb done ;-P
03:37 < Intrepid> i mean 31.2mb
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05:42 < IcePic> guess Intrepid should have added bs=1M or something to the urandom->disk dd command. bs=1 on a fast box gives me 404k/s, bs=1M gives 243MB/s
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07:20 < finkfox> my system just frooze. after a reboot I noticed a process "ctfconv". what triggered this? it seems this is for debugging, where is the output file written? what to do with it?
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07:28 < CosmicDJ> finkfox: man savecore, see if you have crashdump
07:28 < CosmicDJ> finkfox: also man crash
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07:35 < finkfox> CosmicDJ: ok thanks
07:35 < finkfox> /var/crash folder is empty
07:36 < finkfox> correction, it has one file "minfree" which is two years old ...
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07:42 < CosmicDJ> finkfox: guess you have to connect a serial cable and wait for the next freeze then :(
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07:46 < finkfox> CosmicDJ: do you have any idea what triggers "ctfconf" process?
07:52 < CosmicDJ> finkfox: maybe kernel/sshd relinking on boot?
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08:33 < renaud_> how can I get something like https://github.com/wargio/naxsi/releases/download/1.4/naxsi-1.4-src-with-deps.tar.gz in ports Makefile?
08:33 < renaud_> instead of https://github.com/wargio/naxsi/archive/refs/tags/1.4.tar.gz
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13:52 < renaud_> I can't get that http3 work with nginx
13:53 < thrig> who knew it wouldn't be a quick patch
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13:53 < renaud_> nginx "listens" on udp 443, but gtlsclient (ngtcp2) reports either ERR_DRAINING 
13:53 < renaud_> or I00010002 0x68c1e6424019667b0196a73a916e62396d frm tx 4 Initial CONNECTION_CLOSE(0x1c) error_code=PROTOCOL_VIOLATION(0xa) frame_type=0 reason_len=0 reason=[]
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14:40 < pr-asadi> Greetings. I have a C 270 HD webcam(Logitech). The webcam is working, but its microphone is not working. I'm new to OpenBSD, I could not find any documentation about enabling webcam's microphone. Also it's a UVC-compatible webcam.
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14:43 < pr-asadi> Greetings. I have a C 270 HD webcam(Logitech). The webcam is working, but its microphone is not working. I'm new to OpenBSD, I could not find any documentation about enabling webcam's microphone. Also it's a UVC-compatible webcam.
14:44 < al1r4d> pr-asadi: what i know is microphone was disabled by openbsd
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14:45 < oldlaptop> pr-asadi: Have you enabled the sysctl kern.audio.record?
14:45 < oldlaptop> (There's another one for video, which I'd assume you also want to enable)
14:45 < pr-asadi> al1r4d: I have enabled it.
14:46 < pr-asadi> sysctl kern.video.record=1 kern.audio.record=1
14:46 < oldlaptop> The next problem would presumably be that the webcam's microphone is actually a completely different audio device.
14:46 < oldlaptop> You'd need to record from that, not the main system audio device.
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14:46 < pardis> a dmesg would elucidate the situation
14:47 < pardis> and is generally a good idea to provide with any question about hardware
14:47 < pr-asadi> dmesg only says uaduio at somewhere
14:47 < pr-asadi> and it has 1 rec, and etc etc
14:47 < pardis> I strongly doubt it only says that
14:47 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: How?
14:47 < pr-asadi> pardis: Let me send the dmesg(8) log.
14:48 < pr-asadi> uaudio0 at uhub0 port 8 configuration 1 interface 3 "Logitech C270 HD WEBCAM" rev 2.00/0.21 addr 3
14:48 < pr-asadi> uaudio0: class v1, high-speed, sync, channels: 0 play, 1 rec, 2 ctls
14:48 < pr-asadi> pardis: ^
14:48 < pr-asadi> audio1 at uaudio0
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14:49 < oldlaptop> How you'd select a different recording device would depend on the software you're using. For aucat, for example, it'd be the -f option.
14:49 < oldlaptop> The /topic has a convenient paste site recommendation for sharing your whole dmesg - there are of course a zillion other choices
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14:51 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: I even do not know which device it is to select it.
14:51 < pr-asadi> OK. My apology. I'm sending the whold dmesg log.
14:52 < oldlaptop> sndio(7) is good to read sometime
14:52 < oldlaptop> the aucat invocation (again using that as an example) would probably look something like `aucat -f snd/1` - what you'd do in, say, a web browser I wouldn't know offhand
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14:53 < pardis> setting AUDIODEVICE is also a possibility, and should work for any application (because it is used by libsndio)
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14:59 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: pardis: My dmesg(8) log: https://clbin.com/iuO1B
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15:01 < oldlaptop> snd/0 should be the motherboard's built-in audio device, and snd/1 should be the webcam (which probably only has its built-in microphone - hence the "0 play, 1 rec" - no play channels, one record channel)
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15:02 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: How could you find it?
15:02 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure what you mean.
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15:03 < pr-asadi> How could you know the snd/1 is my webcam's microphone? dmesg(8) log did not say it is snd/1.
15:03 < pr-asadi> I'm just new. So I want to know.
15:03 < oldlaptop> "snd/1" is a sndio device descriptor, as documented in https://man.openbsd.org/sndio.7
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15:05 < Bradipo> How does one list or discover all known "Server device descriptors" as mentioned in sndio(7)?
15:05 < oldlaptop> sndiod should, by default, expose audio0 as snd/0, audio1 as snd/1, etc. (if I recall correctly - maybe all the changes around its -F option have changed that?)
15:05 < Bradipo> They have this form: type[@hostname][,servnum]/[devnum|option]
15:05 < pardis> oldlaptop: that is still correct afaik
15:05 < Bradipo> In this case, type is "snd" and the devnum is 1, but how does one know that snd/1 maps to a particular peripheral?
15:06 < oldlaptop> Bradipo: One would inspect the sndiod invocation and/or the dmesg
15:06 < pardis> if you don't pass any -f/-F flags to sndiod, snd/1 maps to rsnd/1, which is audio1
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15:08 < oldlaptop> I vaguely recall that record-only devices on webcams have been trouble for software that expects to use the same device for both recording and playback - fortunately I don't think browsers (when using WebRTC or whatever) are such software(?)
15:08 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: meet.google.com and meet.jit.si could not detect my webcam's microphone.
15:09 < oldlaptop> i.e. one *should* be able to set AUDIOPLAYDEVICE and AUDIORECDEVICE to different device descriptors and have firefox/chrome work as expected?
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15:09 < pr-asadi> But they could detect the camera.
15:09 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: AUDIOPLAYDEVICE is snd/0?
15:09 < oldlaptop> It's an environment variable you could set to whatever you want. In this case you probably want to set it to snd/0, if at all.
15:10 < oldlaptop> (And you probably want to set AUDIORECDEVICE to snd/1.)
15:10 < oldlaptop> I haven't fooled with webrtc on OpenBSD in a while, though, so I'm not the right person to ask.
15:10 < Bradipo> I see.  That's why my Jabra speaker is snd/1: https://clbin.com/X8dwb
15:10 < pr-asadi> I know it is environment variable, I mean the snd/0 is the speakers?
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15:11 < oldlaptop> snd/0 should be audio0, which we can see in your dmesg is the motherboard's audio device.
15:11 < Bradipo> If by WebRTC it is meant a web browser accessing audio/video, it does work.
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15:11 < Bradipo> I've used it with OpenBSD and Teams for a while now, but lately Teams has been breaking things.
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15:13 < pr-asadi> Bradipo: Your Jabra speak 410 is both speaker and microphone?
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15:14 < Bradipo> Yes.
15:15 < pr-asadi> It's good. I may want to buy such device.
15:15 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Yes. tdesktop could use mirophone with setting AUDIORECDEVICE.
15:15 < Bradipo> You can also use it in conjunction with a webcam.  I haven't ever tried to get webcam microphone working because the Jabra works well enough.
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15:17 < pr-asadi> Bradipo: How do you increase the volume of your speaker's microphone? sndioctl input.level=1 is the maximum amount.
15:17 < pr-asadi> But it's not load enough.
15:18 < pr-asadi> Mine is webcam's microphone.
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15:19 < Bradipo> The speaker itself has volume buttons and they work, but you can also just use sndioctl.
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15:19 < Bradipo> I haven't ever had trouble with the microphone being loud enough.
15:19 < Bradipo> Oh wait, I misunderstood.  I don't know how to increase the microphone volume.
15:20 < Bradipo> Move your mouth closer?
15:20 < pr-asadi> :D
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15:21 < pr-asadi> Bradipo: I think the sound volume was louder on FreeBSD and Linux.
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15:21 < pr-asadi> Is it possible? 
15:21 < Bradipo> Is what possible?
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15:25 < oldlaptop> You might want to look at mixerctl too.
15:26 < pr-asadi> Bradipo: Having louder volume on different OSes.
15:26 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Thank you.
15:26 < Bradipo> I suppose it's possible, sure.
15:26 < Bradipo> mixerctl is only available to "root".
15:26 < pr-asadi> Yes. I read, only root.
15:26 < Bradipo> But it does expose a lot more information.
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15:27 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Can we use "rcctl set sndiod flags snd/1" instead of AUDIORECDEVICE env variable?
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15:27 < pr-asadi> Bradipo: Yes. A lot of lines.
15:28 < oldlaptop> I don't think there are sndiod(8) flags that correspond to the AUDIOPLAYDEVICE/AUDIORECDEVICE concept of defaults for play-only and record-only specifically
15:29 < pr-asadi> Well, what is the flags of sndiod then?
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15:30 < oldlaptop> the sndiod(8) manual page explains them
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15:32 < pr-asadi> oldlaptop: Yes. I was checking it. Thank you for your help, appreciated.
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16:26 < pra> oldlaptop: Sorry for bothering. I should modify the value of record.volume with mixerctl?
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16:27 < oldlaptop> Probably - in your case I would assume for audio1, not audio0 (which will be one of the motherboard's inputs - it likely has more than one, at least a line-in and a mic-in)
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16:31 < pra> oldlaptop: https://clbin.com/nmx05
16:31 < pra> This is the output of mixerctl(8)
16:31 < oldlaptop> That will be audio0 by default
16:32 < oldlaptop> (note the -f option)
16:33 < pra> I do not understand.
16:33 < pra> I could not find the volume amount for snd/1
16:33 < pra> Which is my webcam's microphone.
16:36 < lani> anyone have experience with video editors in ports? something you like to use to edit simple clips?
16:38 < lani> pra: you may want to try cmixer, makes that eays
16:38 < pardis> ffmpeg can cut out sections of videos, if you just want some really simple editing and don't need a GUI
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16:39 < lani> was looking for a gui hopefully
16:39 < pra> lani: cmixer increases the volume, but it's not enough.
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16:39 < lani> testing shotwell at the moment
16:39 < pardis> there are some with a GUI, but I don't have significant experience with any of them
16:39 < lani> pra: for me, I can use cmixer to increase mic inpuit volume
16:39 < lani> thanks pardis
16:40 < pra> lani: I know, mine is 100% now, but the microphone's volume is not enough for me.
16:40 < pra> It's not loud.
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16:42 < lani> mixerctl -av may provide useful info
16:42 < lani> record.volume=
16:42 < oldlaptop> pra: Because your microphone is a different audio device entirely, it has its own mixer device too.
16:42 < oldlaptop> The default mixer device is the one for audio0, you need the one for audio1. (Based on the dmesg you shared earlier, anyway.)
16:42 < oldlaptop> Based on that dmesg again, the one for audio1 should only have... I think it said two mixer controls.
16:43 < oldlaptop> (The big giant list you just pasted is typical of an azalia(4) device.)
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16:47 < oldlaptop> sndioctl (cmixer just calls sndioctl) controls sndiod's software mixing, which is a different thing entirely. The loudest sndioctl can make something is limited by the relevant control in mixerctl.
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16:50 < pardis> that's not entirely true
16:50 < pardis> setting the level through sndioctl will twiddle the relevant mixerctl setting
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16:50 < pardis> you can see this by looking at it in mixerctl, adjusting the volume in sndioctl, and then looking at mixerctl again
16:50 < pardis> it might control a software volume knob if the hardware doesn't provide volume control, I'm not sure
16:50 < oldlaptop> ...!? since when does that happen
16:51 < pardis> I thought it was since sndioctl was introduced
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16:52 < oldlaptop> that would surely depend (at minimum) on sndiod being run as root
16:53 < pra> oldlaptop: inputs.dac-0:1 can change my microphone's volume, but its maximum size is 252. I did not specify "-f /dev/audioctl1" for mixerctl(8).
16:53 < pardis> yes, but that's been the only supported way to run sndiod for years
16:53 < pardis> by "supported" I mean with file permissions in /dev; sndiod will still start as a regular user but not be able to do anything useful with local audio devices
16:54 < oldlaptop> I guess that has been years now
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16:54 < oldlaptop> (It should still be perfectly sensible to run it with -f snd@somewhere/N or so, for network sound)
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16:58 < pra> oldlaptop: -f snd/1 does not work.
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16:59 < pra> Even I changed "inputs.record" of /dev/audioctl1. But no effects on my webcam's microphone.
16:59 < oldlaptop> In this case the argument should be a mixer control device, not a sndio device descriptor.
16:59 < oldlaptop> In that case I'm not sure what else you'd try.
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17:04 < pra> oldlaptop: Thank you
17:04 < pra> pardis: Do you happen to have any ideas?
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17:07 < Bradipo> Does moving your mouth closer to the microphone make it louder?
17:08 < Bradipo> Let's recap... you have a microphone on a webcam.  It is working.  How are you testing the "loudness" to determine that it isn't loud enough?
17:08 < thrig> feedback man, feedback man, better get those noise-cancelling cans
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17:10 < pra> Bradipo: Listening to the voice on my another laptop.
17:11 < Bradipo> Have you tried turning up the other laptop?
17:11 < pra> Bradipo: No. My mistake. I have one PC and laptop. I even tried with phone.
17:11 < pra> It's not loud enough.
17:12 < pra> It was good on FreeBSD and Linux.
17:12 < Zyxer> I read something about amplification setting in multimedia I think faq 13 man page
17:13 < thrig> https://www.savagechickens.com/2007/06/yippee-ki-yay.html
17:14 < Zyxer> Oh, it was about EAPD, usually used on laptops. And it was for output not input
17:15 < Bradipo> Still, the advice about inputs.mic and setting the source of the mic might be helpful.
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17:16 < pra> Bradipo: I do not have inputs.mic
17:16 < pra> Weird
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17:40 < Zyxer> Anyone has any idea of dillo-plus? I can't compile it. I changed the makefile compiler to clang
17:41 < Zyxer> https://clbin.com/fWUEj
17:41 < Zyxer> That is running make install 2> so it should only have stderr, 
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17:45 < Zyxer> Time to try W3M
17:45 < Zyxer> it has gopher support ootb I think
17:45 < Zyxer> And this was wrong chat
17:46 < thrig> and gemini, with patches
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21:07 < tercaL_> Hi.. I have a "ban-me.txt" file listing blacklisted IPs, defined as: table <blocklist> persist file "/var/pf/ban-me.txt" in my PF conf file. Whenever I add an IP to that list, it isn't really banned from my website running on the server. My domain is hosted/proxied by Cloudflare, however I have already set Cloudflare Proxy IPs as headers in nginx, therefore, real IP address of visitors are logged on the server... How can I make the PF's blacklist work 
21:07 < tercaL_> correctly?
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21:08 < tercaL> Any clue?
21:08 < phy1729> pf doesn't look at HTTP headers
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21:14 < CosmicDJ> tercaL: did you forget the block rule?
21:15 < CosmicDJ> just defining a table does not make pf block/pass anything
21:18 < CosmicDJ> also I'm pretty sure nothing is polling ban-me.txt for new entries, so you have to add them manually or reload pf each time you add a new IP (check with pfctl -t blocklist -T show)
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22:03 < tercaL> CosmicDJ: Block rule is of course there..
22:04 < tercaL> as well as updating the list regularly, reloading the pf...and stuff.. it's just, well, as phy1729 said..probably..
22:04 < pardis> definitely
22:05 < pardis> even if pf could look at HTTP headers, it wouldn't be able to see inside your TLS
22:05 < pardis> and you can't block a connection that you have already received enough data from to read headers
22:05 < pardis> this isn't even pf-related, you are asking for behaviour that requires time travel
22:06 < tercaL> Got in another channel: "Terminus · tercaL: blacklist them on cloudflare. pf operates with ip addresses (L3). it's not an L7 firewall. pf knows nothing about HTTP headers. If you really want to block on L7 though, there's https://man.openbsd.org/relayd.8"
22:06 < pardis> no need for relayd if you already have nginx
22:06 < tercaL> pardis: Back to the Future is my all-time favourite TV movie series, though. :) <3
22:07 < tercaL> pardis: I do have nginx, and nginx is set to fetch the real visitor IP address, and Cloudflare's Proxy IPv4/6 IPs are whitelisted in PF.
22:08 < tercaL> What made me confuse is; nginx *sees* the real IP address of the -unwanted- visitor, (access_log, error_log both reports it correctly), and the very same IP address is in PF's blacklist list, but still can reach my server's www.
22:08 < tercaL> Probably PF&nginx doesn't *talk* to each other? HTTP headers.
22:08 < Zyxer> You need to have NGinx block it
22:09 < tercaL> Zyxer: An another good idea.
22:09 < pardis> you seem to be confused about fundamentals
22:10 < Zyxer> I honestly don't know if nginx can do that but I know it is powerfull and been able to do whatever I have needed. 
22:10 < pardis> it doesn't matter if pf and nginx talk to each other (although they don't) because the connection must already have been passed by pf in order to get to nginx
22:10 < pardis> there is nothing specific to pf or nginx here, this is just how TCP and HTTP work
22:11 < thrig> blocking something won't nuke the state table
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23:31 < markb1> how do I "deduce" or get info, from a buildbot or otherwise, on OpenBSD packages that are not building for PowerPC (32-bit, think Powermac G4)?  And any reason(s) why?
23:31 < markb1> I am a *long* time Linux-based developer and user, having some fun with OpenBSD on my Powermac G4....
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23:33 < oldlaptop> You'll see build logs from various exotic arches on ports@ from time to time. If a package is known broken on one specific arch, there's usually a comment in the port Makefile briefly explaining why.
23:33 < oldlaptop> (If it's ONLY_FOR_ARCH = amd64 or something, that's less common, though you might still see hints in the commit history)
23:34 < thrig> a 900lbs LLVM compiles where it wants to
23:34 < oldlaptop> most recently on powerpc: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=168484149317669&w=2
23:35 < oldlaptop> And of course the reason it's "from time to time" is: "Duration: 18 Days 14 hours 50 minutes"
23:36 < thrig> or the ENOMEM problem
23:37 < oldlaptop> there are starting to be ports that are disabled on anything with a 32-bit address space because they can't link in that
23:37 < oldlaptop> (and openbsd doesn't cross-build anything as a rule)
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23:46 < pardis> I wonder how long that rule will last in the race to eat up as much RAM as possible that the ecosystem has become
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