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00:01 < oldlaptop> the crunch will presumably be when clang/llvm can't link inside 4GiB anymore (and gcc4.2 - or gcc3! - isn't a workable alternative)
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01:25 < AppleGNU> After booting into bsd.rd multiple times, and finally successfully running the Update utility, I'm back up and running. For now at least.
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03:14 < Intrepid> Hi All, I've managed to write urandom to a 32gb USB stick that I've been wanting to turn into an encrypted storage solution. I used bs=16m to get it done within a sensible time FWIW. I'm now using bioctl to encrypt, but its giving me a range of prompts that aren't explained in the man pages.... Can anybody help?
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03:18 < Intrepid> To be specific: I'm at the stage of this https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraidCrypto where I'm entering bioctl -c C -l sd0a softraid0 but where the manual seems to indicate that I should be prompted for the encryption passphrase and then its re-entry, all I'm getting is a query about starting sector ? [64] to which I pressed enter
03:18 < Intrepid> assuming that's the default and then at the next prompt: "Size" I'm entering * for whole disk. Then it spits me to the prompt with sd0*>
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03:24 < pardis> er, what? are you entering bioctl commands into the disklabel interactive editor prompt?
03:25 < Intrepid> I know, remarkable a sin as that must be is that what I'm doing :0
03:25 < byteskeptical> i don't think he properly exited after the first time
03:25 < byteskeptical> try just a q
03:26 < pardis> also, if you've been typing garbage into the prompt, you probably don't want to write whatever changes you've made
03:26 < Intrepid> I did type exit after encountering the sd0*> prompt before, and then it immediately said "Changing disk type and label description for /dev/rsd0:"
03:27 < Intrepid> it then came up with prompt "Disk type [SCSI]" to which I pressed enter
03:27 < byteskeptical> he can overwrite it anyway afterwards, but yes you'll probably want to repeat some steps
03:27 < byteskeptical> that's fine
03:27 < pardis> you can't just type random commands and assume they will work
03:27 < Intrepid> Then "label name" [Sandisk 3.2xxxx] to which I also pressed enter
03:27 < pardis> 'e' in the disklabel editor means edit disk type
03:27 < pardis> not exit
03:28 < pardis> this is documented in disklabel(8)
03:28 < pardis> 'q' is the quit command
03:28 < byteskeptical> you can also use '?' for to all this up if you forget
03:28 < Intrepid> Why is none of this explained within this page: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraidCrypto
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03:28 < byteskeptical> because it's in the man pages
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03:30 < Intrepid> There isn't even a mention in this line by line explanation of how to encrypt the external drive of needing to also refer to disklabel instructions
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03:31 < pardis> there are several links on that page to the online version of the disklabel(8) man page
03:31 < pardis> the FAQ isn't meant to be comprehensive, it's supposed to give a high-level overview of how to approach common tasks
03:32 < Intrepid> Also look at the line by line example they provide, and which I've been faithfully following, that's led to this series of prompts that aren't stipulated in the step by step
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03:40 < Intrepid> Anyways thanks for the disklabel pointer. I've now exited the label editor and will continue on with the next step life permitting :)
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07:20 < finkfox> how can I format a usb so it is readable by a windows 7 machine?
07:21 < finkfox> I tried "fdisk -yi devx; fdisk -e # add partition with type 07; mkfs.exfat /dev/sdxi"
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07:56 < finkfox> i've tried different ways now, but windows just won't detect the stick
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08:08 < CosmicDJ> finkfox: you could create the extfat on Windows and then look how it was created on OpenBSD...
08:11 < finkfox> CosmicDJ: hmmm, how do I make the stick detectable on windows? its not showing up in explorer so I can't format it ...
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08:12 < finkfox> I tried erasing GPT/MBR by writing zero to first 1MB
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09:10 < Zyxer> on windows run diskmgmt.msc
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09:33 < finkfox> Zyxer: where do I find that?
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09:34 < finkfox> found it, but usb drive does not show up
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09:47 < CosmicDJ> finkfox: this doesn't sound like an OpenBSD problem anymore
09:47 < Zyxer> format it on openBSD or dd /dev/zero the entire drive
09:48 < finkfox> I zeroed the first MB now. Zyxer, how exactly should I format it?
09:49 < Zyxer> Yea, this is bordering non OpenBSD. But I have had some issue with formatting on it, but just /dev/zero made openBSD work it properly
09:49 < finkfox> CosmicDJ: right, could be
09:50 < Zyxer> Zero the entire thing and format it using mkfs.exfat. If that doesn't work then it is non-OpenBSD issue 
09:50 < Zyxer> Really should be seen in diskmgmt.msc at that point. I guess if it is another computer it could be the USB port. 
09:53 < Zyxer> I have annoyance/issue with transmission-qt, can't see anything almost, it has huge buttons and everything looks huge
09:54 < Zyxer> My screen resolution is 1366x768, however, the interface still looks way bigger and it doesn't even fit on screen, many options and info is outside the screen and unclickable. Is it QT having issues on openBSD?
09:55 < Zyxer> Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/fhHbSrC.png
09:56 < Zyxer> Screenshot of properties window: 
09:56 < Zyxer> https://i.imgur.com/US32NYM.png
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10:02 < finkfox> Zyxer: ok, before I can mkfs.exfat, I need to write MBR or GPT?
10:03 < Zyxer> I'm not good with filesystems, I don't know
10:04 < finkfox> Zyxer: using fdisk, which identifyer for the partition table entry should I use (07 I assume?)
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10:04 < Zyxer> I don't know, but you can format the partition afterwards. I usually format partitions I made in fdisk afterwards
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11:50 < Intrepid> Hi all, I'm at the "newfs sd1i" stage of this guide: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraidCrypto but on entering this command I get "This option is not valid when run without the -f or -F flags"
11:51 < Intrepid> I tried the question mark that purports to explain all the flags and options but it makes no mention of -f or -F...
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12:02 < rueda> Do you need newfs_msdos(8) ?
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12:08 < Intrepid> Do I? Is this because I'm building a file system on USB that you suggest this particular function?
12:10 < rueda> Well, if you're trying to create an msdos file system, it's appropriate.  It has options -F and -f.
12:10 < Intrepid> ok lets give it a try
12:11 < sibiria> but why use FAT32 inside an openbsd-specific encrypted container that you cannot open up anywhere else than on openbsd
12:12 < rueda> that's a good point!  (I haven't really been following.)
12:16 < Intrepid> ahhh sibiria good to see you...
12:16 < sibiria> hello again :)
12:16 < sibiria> imo, unless you have a compelling reason, it's easier to just "newfs sdXc" on the encrypted device
12:16 < sibiria> that is, just use all of the partition
12:17 < Intrepid> So if you can see further up this chat, I've been trying to make an encrypted usb stick to backup my OpenBSD files to.. I got stuck at the disklabel stage earlier whereby it wasn't prompting me for an encryption passphrase at the bioctl stage...
12:18 < Intrepid> I found the solution but not in the man pages.... I found it in a random forum post where someone said don't specify [BSD4.2], but instead "RAID" and sure enough that worked...
12:19 < Intrepid> Interestingly "RAID" was not even shown as an option upon entering the "?" at that prompt...
12:19 < Intrepid> It was like a secret handshake to know how to enter it... :/
12:19 < Intrepid> ok, newfs sd1c coming right up
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12:21 < Intrepid> no joy on entering "newfs sd1c" . I also tried "newfs rsd1c" and even "newfs rsd0c" all to no avail
12:21 < sibiria> Intrepid: https://dpaste.org/bVcPB/raw
12:22 < sibiria> this is the simplest way to go about it for an encrypted USB device. it may not fit all scenarios, but most of them
12:22 < sibiria> the "disklabel -n" part is just to make sure you added (and saved) the right thing
12:23 < Intrepid> ah, I notice you suggest fdisk -gy instead of the fdisk -iy that I've been using... Whats the diff?
12:23 < sibiria> -i is mbr, -g is gpt
12:24 < Intrepid> ahah, I thought so... My system is UEFI bios and therefore GPT... IS that maybe why I'm having issues here?
12:24 < sibiria> i don't think so. usually it makes a difference only if you intend to use very large storage
12:24 < sibiria> you probably just made some other mistake along the way
12:24 < Intrepid> yeh, and it would only apply to my HDD rather than an external USB stick I'm guessing
12:25 < Intrepid> ok, so I'm gonna try entering your pastebin line by line to make this encrypted USB stick... Is that what you were suggesting?
12:25 < sibiria> yes, just make sure to replace sdX / sdY with the correct devices, so you don't zap something else by mistake :)
12:26 < Intrepid> hah yeh, I won't be doing wd0
12:26 < sibiria> if you have the current encrypted device mounted, you need to first umount and bioctl -d it
12:27 < Intrepid> Looking at the example given at the bottom of this page here: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraidCrypto
12:27 < Intrepid> Is there a reason the author changes from specifying sd3 to sd4 halfway down
12:27 < sibiria> yes - the new encrypted device
12:28 < sibiria> bioctl will create a pseudodevice, so it will have a new device number
12:28 < Intrepid> sd0 is the raw device right? Then I made a partition 'a' (the default first partition in OpenBSD?)
12:28 < sibiria> if you've confirmed with for example "dmesg" that sd0 was indeed the usb stick when plugged-in, yes
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12:30 < Intrepid> See in that guide example where the author shows "softraid0: CRYPTO volume attached as sd4" ... Are you saying it attaches the newly created encrypted volume as a new pseudo-device with a digit above the existing sd0 ?
12:30 < sibiria> yes
12:30 < Intrepid> ok, I'll try put this together in following your pastebin now
12:30 < sibiria> it may end up 2 digits above, or even 1 below, depending on what your device map looks like
12:30 < sibiria> so just look at what bioctl reports
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12:37 < Intrepid> Problem: after entering the bioctl -c C etc. command it prompted me for a few things which I defaulted for including the * (use whole disk) but then on spitting me back to sd0*> and typing 'q' to save changes, it says device busy!
12:38 < Intrepid> "DIOCWDINFO: Device busy"
12:38 < sibiria> unmount, detach (bioctl -d), and reconnect the usb memory
12:38 < Intrepid> "unable to write label"
12:39 < Intrepid> I never mounted in the first place, still unmount? "umount sd0" ?
12:39 < sibiria> if you never mounted then just detach with bioctl
12:39 < sibiria> you detach the new device that bioctl created
12:39 < Intrepid> ok brb
12:40 < sibiria> if you reconnect the usb storage as well, take a look with "dmesg | tail -5" or so just to make sure you have the right device name/number when you start over
12:40 < Intrepid> -d flag doesn't seem to work... instead it shows all the possibilities such as -[hquiv]
12:41 < sibiria> bioctl -d sdN  <-  just like that, where sdN is the device bioctl reported earlier
12:41 < Intrepid> ok
12:42 < sibiria> you may also inspect what openbsd is currently considering connected:  sysctl hw.disknames
12:42 < Intrepid> ok i had success detaching sd1
12:42 < sibiria> ok then you may proceed from the start of the paste i linked you
12:43 < Intrepid> ok, the USB seems to be recognised as sd0 (no unique disklabel like there is showing against wd0)
12:43 < sibiria> that's fine
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12:43 < Intrepid> ok, back to the pastebin fdisk process with GPT
12:43 < Intrepid> thanks btw!
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12:44 < sibiria> np
12:45 < sibiria> we must encrypt pentium-m man
12:45 < Intrepid> that's right.. you saw gman enter here earlier 0_0
12:47 < Intrepid> Why am I not being prompted for an encryption passphrase on passing bioctl -c C etc
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12:48 < Intrepid> I'm pretty sure it prompted me for this earlier (having discovered the RAID instead of [4.2BSD] option in disklabel's process..
12:50 < Intrepid> NB: I successfully created an encryption PW when replicating this process earlier... Does that mean we need to delete an existing partition? Or did all of this never get committed from mem to the new drive because of the failure at later stages of the process?
12:50 < sibiria> if you unmount anything you mounted, and detach anything you created with "bioctl -c C ... softraid0", you should have a clean slate so to speak
12:51 < sibiria> but in some instances openbsd might hold on to a buffered view of a device's file system layout
12:51 < sibiria> if you've umounted and detached anything you set up before, you can unplug the usb memory and reconnect it
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12:52 < sibiria> the "fdisk -gy" part at the start will effectively wipe the current layout of the usb memory allowing you to start anew
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12:53 < Intrepid> I've never mounted at any stage of this or previous attempts of this process so I should just pull and reinsert the drive right?
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12:53 < sibiria> sure, won't hurt
12:54 < Intrepid> hmm I had my yubikey plugged into one of the USB slots whilst doing all this 0_0
12:54 < Intrepid> have we been partitioning my yubikey!? :D
12:55 < sibiria> i hope not, it's why i suggested looking at what "dmesg" reports at the end right after you plugged the USB memory in :)
12:55 < sibiria> just to be really sure oyu identified the correct device
12:55 < Intrepid> hah ok wise guy
12:55 < Intrepid> .-)
12:55 < sibiria> (i don't even know if yubikeys show up as generic USB storage devices...)
12:55 < Intrepid> anyways I've removed the yubikey and reinserted the USB stick
12:55 < Intrepid> I don't think so ... sd0 was all that showed up in the sysctl hw.diskname thing you had me do earlier
12:56 < sibiria> right, so "dmesg | tail -5" should show you something like... sdX at scsibusZ blah blah <generic flash disk> or something like that
12:56 < Intrepid> (aside from HDD wd0
12:56 < sibiria> along with sizes and similar allowing you to make sure you've identified the correct device
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12:57 < Intrepid> dmesg as above yields "sd0 at SCSIbus 4"
12:58 < sibiria> seems fine. then "sdX" in my how-to will be sd0
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12:58 < sibiria> with disklabel -E you simply type:  a a    (add filesystem a)
12:58 < sibiria> then fill in the rest of the prompts
12:59 < sibiria> then q to save and exit
13:00 < sibiria> if you just press enter at "offset" and "size" the defaults should allocate the entire USB drive for you
13:00 < Intrepid> PS: I was still stuck in what I'm guessing was the disklabel prompt (sd1*>) and to get ready for this dmesg command I quickly typed "exit" whereupon it said "changing disk type and label description for  /dev/rsd0c" before default prompting me for [SCSI] (yes)and "write new label"? (yes),  before finally saying "unable to write label" :D
13:01 < sibiria> right, "x" is "exit and discard changes"
13:01 < Intrepid> It feels like dealing with a hunchback gatekeeper out of that Bowie film from the mid 80s sometimes...
13:01 < sibiria> it's not the most user-friendly process...
13:01 < Intrepid> "Thou shalt not pass (but I won't tell you why) mwahaha"
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13:02 < Intrepid> hmmm, but in typing "exit" is it not possible that it took the 'e' to mean something?
13:03 < sibiria> not sure if it maybe interprets that as "e" (edit)
13:03 < Intrepid> hah yeh that makes sense given the [SCSI?] query that followed
13:03 < sibiria> the commands for disklabel's interactive editor are all single character
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13:03 < Intrepid> yeh so I'eve learnt
13:04 < Intrepid> it's cool, reminds me of my old mid 90's MS dos days
13:05 < Intrepid> ok so now we've done dmesg | tails to correctly identify sd0 , back to pastebin?
13:05 < sibiria> the pastebin gives you the whole instructions from USB memory plugged-in to end, yes
13:06 < sibiria> and i will give you one more pastebin just as a reference for how to wrangle disklabel for this purpose:  https://dpaste.org/VWrnU/raw 
13:07 < sibiria> and never mind that it says sd3, that's just where my USB drive landed when i plugged it in
13:07 < Intrepid> ok I'm already at the bioctl line and guess what, no prompt for creating an encrypted passphrase again...
13:08 < sibiria> you sure you wrote it the right way?
13:08 < sibiria> -c (lower case c) C (upper case C no hyphen) -l (lower case L not 1 or I) ...
13:08 < Intrepid> bioctlc -c C -l sd0a softraid0
13:08 < Intrepid> wait, bioctl -c C -l sd0a softraid0
13:09 < sibiria> what did bioctl say when you pressed enter?
13:10 < sibiria> and, could you pastebin the partition list you get at the end from:  disklabel -n sd0
13:14 < sibiria> it's very disconcerting that it's not asking for password... i wonder if you've run into some unknown bug, or maybe the kernel/bioctl somehow stumbles over old softraid metadata somewhere
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13:14 < Intrepid> I've just been looking back up my x term window to the last successful partitioning where bioctl entry did prompt for the passphrase. It seems that I entered 'w' which made the sd0*> change to sd0> and then 'q' to quit, whereupon I then did the bioctl -c C etc. command to get the passphrase prompt
13:16 < sibiria> bioctl -c C will always ask for passphrase, both when creating and when unlocking, unless you are using a keydisk, which requires the -k option to be passed
13:16 < Intrepid> NB: after the 'q' entry it said "no label changes"
13:16 < Intrepid> no keydisk
13:16 < sibiria> yeah that's fine, since you already saved it with 'w'
13:17 < Intrepid> ah, so that's the problem, in my most recent attempts using the pastebin I've not been 'w' (writing changes to disk?) after specifying FS type [RAID] etc. in the fdisk process..
13:17 < Intrepid> I'm gonna restart fdisk -gy again finishing with the 'w'
13:18 < sibiria> 'q' will ask if you want to save changes. it's the same thing. but you can do 'w' and then 'q' or 'x' after, that works out too
13:18 < sibiria> i added "disklabel -n sdX" in the instructions just to give you a change to verify that you indeed did add a RAID type file system
13:20 < sibiria> but if "bioctl -c C ..." is not asking for passphrase (and you have no keydisk) then i'm stumped as to what's going on. someone else might have an answer but i've never run into it myself or heard someone else mention it
13:21 < Intrepid> ok passphrase asked for an entered... It seems I needed the 'w' followed by 'q' to exit the disklabel terminal prompts and thus be in the right position to enter the bioctl cmd
13:22 < sibiria> maybe there's a bug with disklabel causing it not to update internal view of the device when doing the 'q' -> 'y' path - though it certainly works in my case
13:23 < Intrepid> ok thanks for adding that to pastebin ... On entering disklabel -n sd1 I'm getting 'fstype' of "unused"
13:24 < Intrepid> (in the table)
13:24 < Intrepid> label: SR CRYPTO
13:24 < sibiria> sd0 (the USB device) is the one supposed to have RAID
13:24 < Intrepid> Whose on first base?
13:25 < sibiria> sd1 (the pseudo device) will be blank unused space so to speak
13:25 < sibiria> this is where you "newfs sd1c" (if sd1 was the one bioctl created)
13:25 < Intrepid> all good - sd0 partition a  showing 'fs type RAID'
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13:25 < sibiria> and then you will have a working encrypted file system that you can now mount and start storing stuff in
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13:28 < Intrepid> I was about to proceed with the steps now showing here https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#softraidCrypto (see example down bottom) where after creating the passphrase it suggests zeroing the pseudopartition (sd1 in my case) with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd4c bs=1m count=1
13:29 < sibiria> that's technically not needed, but can be useful in some cases. same with the initial step that first fills the entire USB storage with random data
13:29 < Intrepid> If so, would I then enter the same fdisk command they specify but with -gy instead of -iy ?
13:30 < sibiria> the second fdisk is only there because they want to create a filesystem 'i' to contain the encrypted data, instead of using the entire device ('c') as a file system like i do in my example
13:31 < Intrepid> ah ok great, that helps a lot...
13:31 < sibiria> the example i gave you is complete, no steps missing, and it will suffice for pretty much most cases of "i want an encrypted usb flash drive)
13:32 < Intrepid> so I can now skip straight to mkdir -p etc. right?
13:32 < sibiria> yes, if you newfs'd sd1c
13:32 < sibiria> make a dir under /mnt you want to mount the storage to, then just mount, and you are done
13:32 < sibiria> you may confirm with:  df -h
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13:33 < sibiria> when you're done using the encrypted storage, the two steps to close it are:   1) umount /mnt/whatever   2) bioctl -d sd1   (presuming sd1 is the pseudo device)
13:33 < sibiria> you may then unplug the USB device
13:34 < sibiria> when you want to use it again, the steps are  1) bioctl -c C ... softraid0    2) the mounting part
13:34 < sibiria> no fdisk, no newfs.. these are only for the initial setup
13:35 < Intrepid> errr one thing: having just written those zero's to the drive I get the table showing the partitions on sd0 and the full partition is only 60mb even though I specified [*] (whole disk) before...
13:36 < Intrepid> FML
13:36 < sibiria> maybe you accidentally created just a 60mb large 'a' partition in the first step with disklabel
13:36 < Intrepid> :D character building
13:37 < sibiria> by default when you do "a a" (add 'a') disklabel will provide all available storage to the file system you're adding
13:37 < Intrepid> I'll check
13:37 < sibiria> disklabel -nh sd0  
13:37 < sibiria> will print sizes in mb/gb/tb
13:38 < sibiria> when you add a file system with disklabel (the "a a" part) it will by default use all remaining available space. you may simply press enter there until you reach the "fs type" prompt
13:39 < Intrepid> Ok, on checking back through my Xterm input I see that on following the disklabel -E standard prompts it only provided [600000 etc. (60mb) as the default disk size... So was it perhaps drawing this on a pre-existing partition size that I'd created earlier for a ?
13:40 < sibiria> that might be the case, yes
13:40 < Intrepid> so I need to use the -Z flag to delete existing partitions and then start the "fdisk -gy" process again?
13:42 < Intrepid> disklabel -nh sd0  reveals (in the table) an 'a' and a 'c' partition each of 28.6Gb (I'm assuming one is just a pseudo version of the 'a' partition
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13:43 < sibiria> yes 'c' is just a reflection of the full drive's parameters
13:43 < sibiria> it looks like you have buffered views lingering and confusing things. you can re-read them from disk with:   disklabel -c sdX
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13:44 < Intrepid> ok, well I think my brain might also be suffering buffering issues... I'll try it
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13:46 < Intrepid> disklabel -c sdX shows a replica of aforementioned figures... NB: 16 partitions but only 2 showing in the table?
13:46 < sibiria> it always says "16 partitions"
13:46 < Intrepid> thought so but good to confirm
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13:47 < Intrepid> I thought each entry of "fdisk -gy ..." undoes any previous partitioning on that drive? In which case why is it defaulting to only 60mb for "whole disk"
13:48 < sibiria> you can zap the usb drive first, before fdisk -gy ... just to make sure
13:48 < Intrepid> how to zap?
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13:48 < sibiria> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd0c bs=1m count=10   <-  really make sure that sd0 (sd0c) is the USB memory first
13:49 < Intrepid> hmmm I've used that command already, but maybe not since we clarified the 'w' and 'q' issue
13:49 < Intrepid> I'll enter it now
13:50 < sibiria> then:  fdisk -Agy sd0    and you should have the entire USB drive allocated just for openbsd's storage
13:50 < sibiria> note the added A there, not a typo
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13:50 < Intrepid> Do I need to run that on sd0 AND pseudo partition sd1 (I just did sd1)
13:51 < Intrepid> (the Zeroing)
13:51 < sibiria> you don't, but it might alleviate some of openbsd's internal caching of disk labels
13:51 < Intrepid> ok sd0
13:51 < sibiria> the example i gave you kind of assumes you just plugged in a blank USB drive
13:51 < Intrepid> I did count=1 btw
13:51 < sibiria> that's fine, it will be enough
13:52 < Intrepid> fdisk -Agy sd0 now
13:53 < Intrepid> Have now entered the disklabel -E guided process and note "Z" to erase all existing partitions... Would it not maybe be a good idea to use that instead of just another 'a' to ensure no hangover from previous attempts
13:54 < sibiria> sure, it does not hurt. it's 'z' in lower case
13:54 < Intrepid> or has the use of -Agy made this point moot
13:55 < sibiria> it has not
13:55 < Intrepid> ok well zed's dead baby
13:55 < Intrepid> ok 'z' done
13:55 < Intrepid> now 'a'
13:56 < Intrepid> and there we are again: for "Size?" its' auto prompted for 60mb
13:57 < Intrepid> Should I maybe just ignore that prompt and use an online "byte to Gb" converter to enter the full 28.6gb that we know the USB has?
13:57 < sibiria> sure, just fill in something you know will work
13:57 < sibiria> 25g maybe
13:57 < Intrepid> yup
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14:00 < Intrepid> Now I did that 25Gb and then 'w' at the sd0*> prompt but I get that "DIOCWDINFO: Device busy" msg, so I 'q' quit which dumps me back to root with "unable to write label"
14:01 < sibiria> it really looks like a lot of old crud is still cached in the kernel's view of the disks
14:01 < sibiria> i'd just unplug usb memory and reboot the damned thing
14:02 < Intrepid> hah ok... well its midnight here so I'm buffered out... maybe try again tomorrow... Lol it shouldn't be this hard
14:02 < sibiria> it really should not, no... my example works right off the bat with any usb memory i use
14:02 < Intrepid> thanks for your persistence... it's definitely reciprocated here at my end
14:03 < Intrepid> DIOCWDINFO .. such a helpful error msg
14:03 < Intrepid> any relation to wd0 I wonder??? riddle me this
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14:04 < Intrepid> why SibIria and not Siberia btw
14:04 < sibiria> the typo was intentional, because i used it in an online game ages ago - where "siberia" was a disallowed name
14:04 < Intrepid> hah okies
14:05 < Intrepid> I used to have some pearlers from my Quake II days
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14:05 < Intrepid> good wholesome gibbing
14:05 < sibiria> the fun of olde days
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14:06 < Intrepid> I used to edit my own levels in doom 2 as a kid using lengthy dos commands... doing this reminds me a lot of that
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14:06 < Intrepid> anyways cya
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14:06 < sibiria> see you around, we'll get ir working next time
14:06 < Intrepid> thanks again for the help...
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15:58 < typicat> :q
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16:31 < lavaball> i have a bunch of those: May 27 15:03:45.906828 rule def/(short) pass in on re2: 89.236.146.59.20921 > 192.168.74.1.0: S 23643150:23644430(1280)|win 0 <mss 1409,sackOK,timestamp 3303990466 0,nop,wscale 6> (DF) [tos 0x28]     but from different ips.  but i do block everyting. how come it's pass? and port 0? 
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16:48 < sibiria> is 89.236.146.59 your gateway?
16:48 < lavaball> no.
16:48 < lavaball> as i said, from different ips.
16:48 < sibiria> stuff like dhcp (and similar announcements) run on "raw" sockets. maybe that's the port 0 thing
16:49 < sibiria> dhcpv4, that is
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16:49 < sibiria> pf never engages with stuff on raw sockets
16:50 < sibiria> you can't block e.g. dhcpv4 traffic with it
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16:51 < lavaball> i know of the inferiority of pf, but i still can log those packets with it. well, in fact i'm note. i'm not sending anything to the log coming in from re2. 
16:51 < lavaball> not
16:51 < lavaball> not "note".
16:52 < lavaball> but they do show up in tcpdump .. pflog0.
16:53 < sibiria> iptables/nftables suffer the same "inferiority". raw sockets don't pass through ip-level firewalls
16:55 < lavaball> those can block/allow gre tunnels though.
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16:55 < lavaball> but that's exactly why i passed the tcpdump line from pflog0, because i wanted to compare firewalls.
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17:12 < Mozies> What is the OpenBSD equivalent of limiting a process CPU usage? I've already tried the nice command.
17:15 < pardis> there is 'ulimit -t', but that may not be exactly what you want
17:18 < sibiria> i don't think openbsd's scheduler even offers such control of time slicing
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18:02 < IcePic> Mozies: what effect did you want that nice did not give you?
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18:33 < Mozies> IcePic: I set the nice value to 20 but the TTY is still pretty slow & SSH has some disconnection & connection problems.
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20:48 < uuaaeeii> What do you all generally use for ripping and burning CD/DVD? I deal with a lot of physical media. I could have sworn I was able to find a bunch of tools I used to use on another install but they seem to be missing from the package list. 
20:49 < pardis> cdio(1) for simple things, cdparanoia if I want to rip a CD perfectly
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20:53 < uuaaeeii> thanks pardis. 
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22:15 < AlaskanEmily> So if I'm seeing something like: `msyscall b6480b20000 a5000 error` when trying to run a program I've compiled, where would I start with debugging that? I can see it's happening in dl_start, dl_call_init_recurse, lib_preinit.
22:16 < AlaskanEmily> The program is in the Mercury language which compiles to C, I'm comfortable digging into the generated code.
22:18 < thrig> persumably mercury is doing things not permitted by some security feature, probably the 7.3 userland memory locks
22:19 < AlaskanEmily> That's possible, what are the 7.3 userland memory locks?
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22:22 < thrig> probably https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=166203784715942&w=2
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22:27 < AlaskanEmily> MAP_STACK has been a thing for a couple releases though, hasn't it?
22:27 < AlaskanEmily> Like I remember dealing with that a while ago
22:28 < AlaskanEmily> Though this looks releavant
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22:30 < AlaskanEmily> Ah, that did help, and I think I figured it out. It's that Mercury's vendored version of Boehm GC, when compiled for multithreaded use, tries to directly use __syscall :X
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