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03:01 < brocashelm> anyone tried spacefm on openbsd?
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06:51 < lts> brocashelm: not in packages, but pcmanfm is 
06:52 < lts> Also "As of December 2022, SpaceFM is unmaintained software"
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06:53 < brocashelm> true, i know, but it's the best one for multiple tabs and customizability IMO
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06:54 < brocashelm> i'm aiming for a less heavy desktop and it fits the bill for me
06:54 < brocashelm> there is apparently a fork out there that's being worked on
06:54 < brocashelm> https://github.com/thermitegod/spacefm
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09:29 < lavaball> oh, nevermind. you can actually sort by url with pf. that of course makes everything a bit easier.
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18:03 < olk> hey everyone, I want to switch to openbsd from arch, have a few questions
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18:05 < Ap3> shoot
18:05 < olk> first: is there an alternative to tlp on openbsd? I want to be able to set battery thresholds, it is critical as I'm at home most of the time, but when I want to go outside, I need 100% charge
18:06 < olk> currently I have 40/50. I own a thinkpad t480s
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18:09 < tommyrot> if you run current you have access to this: https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/a81f321c894bd27172a28087a81cf6e8aa86d6db
18:10 < tommyrot> which may or may not be what you want
18:10 < olk> wow, committed last week
18:10 < Ap3> i don't know of the tools, one alternative is to configure apmd, sensorsd 
18:10 < olk> nope, apmd and sensorsd is not what I want
18:10 < olk> let me read the commit though
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18:11 < olk> oh btw, if there are any openbsd devs online, I have one simple question
18:14 < lts> Please just ask, ref. https://dontasktoask.com/
18:16 < pardis> if you want 100% battery charge, the only way to achieve that is to plug in AC power until the battery is fully charged
18:16 < pardis> I don't see how this is a software problem
18:16 < olk> yeah, sorry. an example: commit tommyrot sent. I see a feature which kettenis committed, but in description I see this: ok patrick@. what's this for? I've been reading openbsd src commits for five months now, but I still don't understand why is this "ok someone" present everywhere
18:17 < pardis> it's just code review
18:17 < pardis> developers ask for an ok from each other, then they say who approved it when they commit
18:17 < olk> pardis: please read this, and you'll understand what I mean: https://linrunner.de/tlp/faq/battery.html
18:17 < pardis> no thank you
18:18 < olk> pardis: so it's like "ok from this dev to push that"?
18:18 < pardis> yes
18:18 < olk> I see, thanks
18:19 < olk> on the battery charge topic: I want to be able to use the laptop on charger without it charging higher than I want it to
18:19 < Tekk> pardis: what olk is asking about (I think) isn't the actual battery charge but basically how the system sees it.
18:20 < Tekk> As in "I want to make the userland think that 80% full is 100% full at home to prevent battery wear, but when I go out 100% should mean 100%"
18:20 < olk> yeah, exactly
18:20 < pardis> ah, okay
18:20 < olk> thanks Tekk
18:20 < Tekk> Well not just the userland, but stop feeding into the battery too.
18:21 < Tekk> basically batteries don't like being at 100% all the time.
18:21 < tommyrot> thx for the link olk, i'll go over it later
18:22 < tommyrot> might explain why i have a pile of dead batteries here
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18:22 < olk> you're welcome :D
18:27 < oldlaptop> (on the other hand you might have a pile of dead batteries because batteries don't last forever - maybe we should try something new and wacky like making them removable or something)
18:28 < byteskeptical> oldlaptop: if only this kind of exotic technology was accessible to the everyday man/woman
18:29 < Tekk> oldlaptop: if we did that then next they'd have manufacturers standardizing on battery form factors and supporting them for more than a year or two after release!
18:29 < tommyrot> yeah yeah, yet i've always found it remarkable that batteries fail in a couple of years even if the device has been on wall power for 80% of the time
18:30 < Tekk> Where would we be if I didn't have to go to sketchy 3rd run ebay sellers for my laptop batteries, hm?
18:30 < pardis> I tried buying a third-party battery for a 5-year-old ThinkPad once
18:30 < pardis> it turned out a 5-year-old Lenovo battery still did better than a brand new knock-off brand
18:30 < Tekk> I haven't gotten bit that hard yet, but the new batteries don't last as long.
18:31 < Tekk> I think I'm on my 3rd battery for my T480?
18:31 < olk> pardis: that's usually the case, yeah
18:31 < Tekk> Last one got bloat pretty bad though. I physically couldn't put it back in after I took it out
18:31 < olk> I'm still on my first on t480s because of tlp
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18:31 < oldlaptop> tommyrot: Li-ion cells fail in storage, even. Keeping them cold at just the right magic charge state slows, but does not stop that process. (There does exist a tradeoff between capacity and durability/stability - but apparently the people who buy laptops want them to be 0.2mm thinner rather than have batteries that last.)
18:32 < tommyrot> i've had some 3rd party ones that were a millimeter or something off and broke the pins of one of my thinkpads
18:34 < Tekk> Funnily enough, I'm typing this on a T41 and I've been pretty impressed by the sketchy 3rd run battery for *that*
18:34 < Tekk> Considering how the laptop is 20 years old and who knows when the normal production lines stopped for its battery
18:35 < oldlaptop> Tekk: Maybe things have advanced enough that low-ish-end cells are at a comparable level to good-quality ones twenty years ago?
18:35 < Tekk> It's quite possible.
18:36 < Tekk> My understanding generally is that laptop power usage hasn't changed much over the years though
18:36 < oldlaptop> (Not bottom-end ones, the bottom of the barrel for 18650-shaped objects is cans of sand, which are not noted for their outstanding capacity)
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18:36 < oldlaptop> I would say it has - maybe not the outer boundaries, but the mean has sharply reduced
18:37 < olk> I guess battery threshold controlling software for openbsd will be written sometime in the future, if the kernel driver was committed a week ago, right?
18:37 < oldlaptop> A reasonably high-end T4x/T6x can easily dissipate 20-30W or so - or try to, anyway, through the cooling system that (at least for T6x) can't really do that...
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18:38 < oldlaptop> a lot of machines in approximately the same market niche today will be maaaaaybe 15W thermal, and not even that most of the time
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18:40 < olk> my t480s consumes 8-10W on average
18:40 < olk> on linux of course, and not while compiling stuff
18:41 < tommyrot> the controlling software is sysctl i would assume
18:41 < olk> that would even be more comfortable than using some 3rd party app :)
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19:03 < olk> tommyrot: I reread that commit, does this mean I can do sysctl hw_battery_chargestop=50 if I install openbsd and switch to -current?
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19:08 < olk> I also have a question about -current: if I update to today's -current snapshot and reboot (I do have to reboot every update, right?), and after 3-4 days on this snapshot I want to install a software that updated 2 days after I ran sysupgrade -s - can I just run pkg_add and get that updated program?
19:10 < pardis> maybe
19:10 < pardis> sometimes it will work, sometimes it won't
19:12 < olk> so I can run sysupgrade whenever I feel like updating the system? or should I do it regularly, because I won't get new packages without it?
19:13 < olk> btw, was that "maybe" related to the sysctl hw_battery_chargestop message or the -current one?
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19:13 < pardis> the -current one
19:13 < pardis> I don't know what the sysctl name is, but I'm pretty sure it would not be that
19:14 < olk> but I can do that if I find the right sysctl key?
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19:25 < Tekk> This laptop doesn't like github but I assume you could find the sysctl key from the patch
19:25 < olk> "this laptop doesn't like github"?
19:25 < Tekk> I'm typing this on a 20 year old thinkpad with 512MB of ram c:
19:26 < olk> oh, your laptop :)
19:26 < olk> I own a t60 too btw, was running openbsd there for a while
19:26 < pardis> the patch is just adding support to acpithinkpad(4); the actual sysctl-handling code is presumably elsewhere
19:26 < Tekk> Ahh
19:26 < Tekk> thanks pardis 
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20:02 < Posterdati> hi
20:02 < Posterdati> please help, I need to make an old mga g200e works on 7.3, any hints?
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20:03 < Posterdati> I have no error (EE) in the log, but no xenodm screen
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20:14 < Posterdati> lavaball: hi
20:14 < lavaball> hm?
20:15 < lavaball> you sure you meant me?
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20:20 < Posterdati> yes
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20:26 < riceandbeans> Any opensmtpd users here that can help me debug something?
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20:27 < riceandbeans> TLDR; I can email myself to my sms gateway, $phone_number@$provider.com, but if I try to do it via a Rust lib that works for other email addresses and worked before I started using opensmtpd as a local server instead of just a relay, it says that this specific address is invalid
20:29 < riceandbeans> If I change the email address the lib references to be my email address hosted by opensmtpd or my gmail, it works just fine
20:30 < riceandbeans> echo 'foo' | mail -s 'bar' $phone_number@$provider.com, it also works fine...
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20:32 < riceandbeans> The only thing that's different is for some reason when doing it via this lib it becomes prepended in the logs as, failed-command command="RCPT TO:<
20:32 < quinq> What says?
20:32 < quinq> smtpd or that “rust lib”?
20:32 < riceandbeans> result="550 Invalid recipient: 
20:32 < riceandbeans> These are from smtpd logs
20:32 < quinq> And is the recipient correct?
20:33 < riceandbeans> The recipient is me, and yes I can do it via command line, but if I do it in Rust via this lib it no longer works with that one email but does with others, and I'm just not sure where to go from here
20:33 < riceandbeans> The library is getting turned away by opensmtpd for the failure
20:33 < quinq> I'm asking about the recipient that smtpd sees, that's the first step
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20:33 < riceandbeans> Can I up the verbosity of the running smtpd?
20:34 < quinq> You can activate some tracing
20:34 < quinq> But smtpd already tells you by default what's the recipient
20:34 < quinq> No need for tracing that
20:35 < quinq> e.g.: smtp failed-command command="RCPT to:<spameri@tiscali.it>" result="550 Invalid recipient: <spameri@tiscali.it>"
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20:37 < riceandbeans> Yeah, I'm not pasting my phone number in here, but I'll show you two redacted forms.
20:39 < oldlaptop> It's okay, we already know your number is 555-555-5555
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20:42 < riceandbeans> https://dpaste.org/QOj4b
20:42 < lavaball> Posterdati, what do you want then?
20:43 < Posterdati> please help, I need to make an old mga g200e works on 7.3, any hints?
20:43 < pardis> riceandbeans: you could try a tcpdump on lo0 port 25 and see what the difference is on the wire
20:43 < riceandbeans> I hadn't thought about that, but I suppose I could.
20:44 < riceandbeans> Though  25 isn't lo0, it's on the public
20:44 < quinq> Well, one thing we know for sure is that it can't be a rust library problem as rust has no bugs
20:44 < pardis> the log you pasted says "smtp connected address=[::1] host=localhost"
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20:45 < quinq> riceandbeans, then you can also try running smtpd with tracing on foreground
20:45 < lavaball> Posterdati, not my field of expertise. i'm just here to bitch and complain. best of luck though.
20:45 < Posterdati> lavaball: ah ok
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20:47 < riceandbeans> pardis: Indeed it does, and yet it's not listening on localhost.
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20:50 < riceandbeans> quinq: I didn't mean it's not the Rust because Rust doesn't have bugs, but that it's curious that the same code when addressing something not being an integer for a local it works fine and when opensmtpd was only relaying through gmail it was addressing to an integer local just fine as well
20:50 < oldlaptop> Posterdati: Have you already tried and failed to use OpenBSD with that hardware? If so, we would need to know what exactly is going wrong.
20:50 < oldlaptop> It should be supported by mga(4), or so that manual says.
20:50 < quinq> riceandbeans, I was just having a free go at rust ;)
20:50 < riceandbeans> I'm just stumped man
20:50 < riceandbeans> It's annoying because I have a lot of weird automation that's only increasing that uses email...
20:50 < oldlaptop> (Unless "G200E" is a different and incompatible thing from "G200" or something silly like that.)
20:51 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: it worked on 7.2 with no configuration at all
20:52 < riceandbeans> pardis: Interesting...so for some reason opensmtpd is listening on localhost on ipv6 but not ipv4, but both v4 and v6 on the wan
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20:52 < riceandbeans> I'm not sure that has anything to do with anything here but it's still...interesting...
20:53 < oldlaptop> Information we would *also* need includes, but is not limited to, what happens under 7.3, what shows up in Xorg logs (meaning paste the log file somewhere verbatim, don't try and paraphrase it yourself), probably a dmesg
20:53 < oldlaptop> (I will leave it to others to pull that set of teeth.)
20:54 < pardis> what if I'm really really good at paraphrasing logs?
20:56 < quinq> I'll try to do the pardis' technic
20:56 < riceandbeans> smtpctl trace smtp, nothing additional showed up
20:56 < quinq> address=[::1] / address=local
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20:56 < quinq> So your ::1 isn't tagged as local?
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20:57 < riceandbeans> I guess not.
20:57 < riceandbeans> Regardless, if I change the email, the same connection from that library works just fine, so I'm hesitant to believe it's the connection type that it's using
20:57 < olk> anyone here uses gnome on openbsd? is it usable?
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20:59 < quinq> riceandbeans, maybe your rules are not robust enough?
20:59 < quinq> (in addition to what causes the different behavior)
21:00 < riceandbeans> My rules are rather minimal.
21:01 < quinq> But then again, trace and you should see more
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21:02 < riceandbeans> smtpd.conf is 26 lines in total
21:02 < riceandbeans> Adding trace on smtpd didn't show more, what others should I throw trace on?
21:03 < quinq> others what?
21:04 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: thanks, I cold send those info tomorrow :)
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21:09 < riceandbeans> quinq: There are other options with smtpctl trace
21:09 < riceandbeans> Maybe the problem is my BAC is too low
21:09 < riceandbeans> Memorial day weekend and I'm blowing a 000
21:10 < oldlaptop> I don't think booze and unix go together very well
21:10 < quinq> Ah, you meant trace smtp?
21:10 < oldlaptop> that's more of a win9x thing
21:10 < riceandbeans> yeah
21:11 < riceandbeans> oldlaptop: Really man? I don't think Larry Wall was sober when he made Perl.
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21:11 < quinq> Try with all
21:11 < oldlaptop> Maybe he's just like that
21:11 < riceandbeans> Let's make a language....and make it look and feel like C, but not care about types, but be interpreted...
21:12 < riceandbeans> quinq: one sec
21:12 < oldlaptop> Sounds like a plan to me.
21:12  * oldlaptop writes tcl
21:13 < riceandbeans> quinq: nah, still looks the same, I'm going to try to just foreground it and see where it goes from there
21:13 < riceandbeans> oldlaptop: ulch, tcl...
21:13  * oldlaptop glares at riceandbeans, brandishing an "ABOLISH ALL TYPES" sign menacingly
21:13 < quinq> Abolish all types, and world hunger
21:16 < oldlaptop> That's easy, all we have to do is abolish war
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21:19 < riceandbeans> tracing all nad foreground has 0 new lines about the email :(
21:19 < riceandbeans> I'm not against typing...I went from Perl to Rust.
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21:19 < riceandbeans> I know my code sucks, but Perl let's me have code that sucks and have errors I'm too stupid to catch
21:20 < riceandbeans> With Rust my code sucks, but the compiler will scream at me and refuse to compile for more of my bugs, but there's still plenty of bugs and the code is nearly as crappy
21:20 < oldlaptop> Yeah, I don't think that's worth all the times the compiler gets in my way and tells me I can't do something
21:21 < oldlaptop> (Maybe rust's type system is useful enough to offset that. I think haskell's probably is.)
21:21 < tux0r> with rust, your compiler will scream at you and _not_ tell you why
21:21 < riceandbeans> Ah, disregard about tracing, my line was wrong I got more info now, standby
21:21 < tux0r> rustc always feels like a satiric reimagination of clang
21:22 < tux0r> rustc: "this won't work. try add a &!" i: (add a &) rustc: "this won't work. try remove the &!"
21:22 < riceandbeans> Honestly, rustc is pretty good, when it fails it even gives you a hyperlink for the error from your code with a page of documentation about how and why it doesn't work...
21:22 < riceandbeans> LOL yes there ARE a few cases where you can get into a cyclic fixing frenzy...
21:22 < quinq> rustc is your pervert narcissistic boy/girl friend, yelling at you but you stay with it
21:22 < riceandbeans> But 99% of the time it's not that way
21:22 < tux0r> all of my rust projects are like that..
21:23 < tux0r> ;o)
21:23 < riceandbeans> But without them you're not a fully functioning person.
21:23 < tux0r> polyamory has its advantages. i spend my nights with go, perl, lisp and some pascal and rust still won't leave me
21:23 < tux0r> ... sadly.
21:26 < quinq> ^^
21:27 < riceandbeans> quinq: https://dpaste.org/znVvA
21:27 < riceandbeans> behold
21:27 < riceandbeans> Why the crap am I having it show from my personal gmail though.
21:27 < quinq> Why do you have doubled connection?
21:28 < riceandbeans> ?
21:29 < quinq> 0x80195de00 and 0x80195c800, in this example
21:30 < riceandbeans> In the words of Tevye.
21:30 < riceandbeans> I'll tell you, I don't know.
21:30 < riceandbeans> The actual connection handling to the smtp server via Rust is through a lib I didn't write
21:30 < riceandbeans> I could change the email it's sending to and show you a successful run.
21:31 < quinq> yeah
21:31 < riceandbeans> Hang on
21:31 < riceandbeans> Gotta update me a const
21:32 < quinq> Though I'm going to bed
21:32 < quinq> But somebody else might take on :)
21:34 < riceandbeans> quinq: https://dpaste.org/W0rcd
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21:34 < riceandbeans> Just changing the email to my local on the box
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21:35 < quinq> ok but that's to a different recipient
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21:36 < riceandbeans> It is.
21:36 < quinq> Ah, are both logs with the rust lib?
21:37 < riceandbeans> Yes.
21:37 < quinq> What would be interesting is two logs, one that works and the other that doesn't, but to the same recipient
21:37 < riceandbeans> I could do that, just using mail -s 
21:37 < riceandbeans> But that's not using the Rust
21:37 < quinq> That's good enough
21:37 < quinq> Note the lack of NOOP in one case
21:38 < quinq> Not sure why the rust lib does two different things
21:38 < riceandbeans> Yeah, it's kinda weird, but I'm not yet going to tear the lib to shreds
21:38 < thrig> P.S. Email hates the living
21:38 < riceandbeans> one sec I'll get a trace when using mail -s
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21:43 < riceandbeans> quinq: https://dpaste.org/szfUE
21:43 < riceandbeans> Working with echo | mail
21:43 < riceandbeans> Same host, same recipient
21:45 < quinq> Yeah, I'm pretty sure this has to do with how it interprets the client origin IP, and your rules
21:45 < riceandbeans> You want to see the rules?
21:46 < quinq> Sharing your rules too might help
21:46 < quinq> yeah ;)
21:51 < riceandbeans> Sorry doing a few things at once, let me get that
21:52 < riceandbeans> https://dpaste.org/vYDVp
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22:04 < quinq> I don't know :/
22:07 < riceandbeans> :\ Me neither.
22:07 < quinq> One difference is that the failing tries to send email as <$personal@gmail.com> and <zach@raasta.org> when it works
22:07 < quinq> Also I don't see any auth command
22:07 < quinq> Which is strange because that should be required
22:09 < quinq> Is $phone_number starting with a '+'?
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23:57 < riceandbeans> no it's a 10 digit number
23:58 < thrig> 10 is a 10 digit number
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