--- Log opened Wed May 31 00:00:59 2023
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00:21 < leah> btw not sure if openbsd has something like this somewhere but here's a useful snippet from me:
00:22 < leah> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1281525
00:22 < leah> xpledge() - it does the same thing as pledge but exits with error if -1 returned. just makes it nicer to look at when calling
00:23 < leah> err, with includes rather: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1281527
00:24 < leah> i only have the ifdef because i use xpledge() on other operating systems, where it just does nothing
00:24 < leah> maybe openbsd could put this in its libc? less lines of code when calling, rather than having if (pledge is -1) err(whatever)
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00:28 < leah> if (pledge("stdio", NULL) == -1)
00:29 < leah>     err(1, "pledge");
00:29 < leah> ^ that's what you do. with this, you can just do:
00:29 < leah> xpledge("stdio", NULL);
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00:33 < tommyrot> patches can be sent to the tech@ mailing list, irc is for dreamers
00:34 < leah> example usage: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/21253/1/tools/fiptool/fiptool.c
00:34 < leah> yes ok, i'll do that now. could be fun!
00:34 < leah> my first patch to openbsd
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00:47 < leah> now i just need to figure out how to use cvs. i've never used it.
00:47 < leah> only ever git.
00:48 < leah> i use your github mirror when browsing obsd src
00:48 < leah> before git i just didn't use version control
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00:50 < leah> can i just use git-format-patch and send those to tech@?
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00:51 < thrig> diff.noprefix = true is common
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00:55 < leah> ok i'll do that
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00:56 < leah> yeah the way i track openbsd is: i pull from git, and search cvsweb for the commit message at the same date, to correlate between them
00:56 < leah> if i can just use git, that's great
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01:04 < oldlaptop> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Diff explains the appropriate way to generate diffs with git for tech@
01:04 < leah> odd, i did this in git on openbsd:
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01:04 < leah> git shortlog -sne --all
01:04 < leah> every contrib listed has openbsd.org email address
01:04 < oldlaptop> that'
01:04 < leah> i suppose the way it works when cvs gets translated to git, the author field is whoever committed it in cvs
01:05 < oldlaptop> *that's how the cvs infrastructure works, pretty much
01:05 < leah> which means whoever had push on cvs
01:05 < leah> yeah, thought so
01:05 < oldlaptop> they don't all use @openbsd.org mail addresses for day-to-day email business, I don't think
01:05 < leah> because otherwise yeah, that's a very small team
01:05 < leah> i don't know why you haven't switched to git, honestly
01:05 < leah> it's so much better
01:06 < riceandbeans> quinq: update, when using tls and authing as myself, the email sending to that recipient works just fine. So it's just really bad error handling in opensmtpd giving completely unrelated messages
01:06 < oldlaptop> openbsd developers (not me) do not seem to agree with you
01:06 < pardis> even if they did agree, git is unacceptably licensed for import into OpenBSD
01:06 < leah> yeah understandable
01:06 < pardis> (got is potentially viable)
01:06 < riceandbeans> But, I don't want to hardcode creds into my app just to send myself emails :\
01:07 < leah> isn't cvs gpl though?
01:07 < oldlaptop> both on licensing grounds and, at least possibly, on impedance-matching grounds
01:07 < riceandbeans> oldlaptop: there's always fossil...
01:07 < pardis> yes, but the policy is no *new* GPL software
01:07 < pardis> https://www.openbsd.org/policy.html
01:07 < oldlaptop> riceandbeans: AIUI fossil does not scale to source trees the size of openbsd very well. (The netbsd people have had some trouble with their fossil mirror, I believe.)
01:07 < leah> well the centralised model in cvs probably makes sense for openbsd's development flow
01:07 < leah> you guys are oldschool
01:07 < riceandbeans> pardis: No Homers! We're allowed to have one!
01:08 < leah> (that's a compliment, not an insult)
01:08 < oldlaptop> It's also designed to impedance-match with its author, not with openbsd developers
01:08 < leah> impedance-match, you've said that several times now. what does it mean, in this context?
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01:08 < Bradipo> The problem with Fossil and NetBSD is the ports tree being so huge.
01:08 < oldlaptop> It fits well with how they like to think and work.
01:08 < leah> i know what it means in the study of waves (mechanical, electrical, it's all the same mathematically)
01:09 < Bradipo> Fossil wasn't particularly designed for that scale.
01:09 < leah> there is even a video about that, about the impedance-matching of waves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k
01:09 < oldlaptop> git was designed to fit the way its author works too, without much concern for anyone else - for that reason it seems somewhat surprising that it took off, instead of something like (say) hg
01:09 < leah> this is a classic. he demonstrates how waves of all kinds work alike, and can be described mathematically in the same way
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01:10 < Bradipo> Fossil is designed primarily for the management of sqlite sources and to be a "test bed" for sqlite (since Fossil storage is backed by sqlite).
01:11 < leah> yeah git favours a decentralised model. everything is centered around the author, and it encourages heavy amount of branching and merging
01:11 < oldlaptop> fossil is designed to work well for, literally, fewer than five developers. (It happens to work well for some others too.)
01:11 < leah> most other vcs's use a centralised model
01:12 < leah> well, git was made for linux, where they have thousands of people working on it. so they needed something that scales nicely
01:12 < oldlaptop> That's factually incorrect these days, I think.
01:12 < Bradipo> It actually works well for many more than 5 developers.  The biggest challenge is when you have thousands of files ala ports tree.
01:12 < oldlaptop> hg is distributed, fossil is distributed, darcs is (was?) distributed, bazaar is (was?) distributed...
01:12 < leah> btw watch that youtube video i linked, it's bad-ass. again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k
01:12 < Bradipo> darcs had some interesting concepts.  I didn't find it practical though.
01:13 < leah> video titled:  AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition) 
01:13 < Bradipo> I don't see any problem with OpenBSD's use of CVS.  It still works.
01:13 < oldlaptop> the last centralized system to see any real success was probably svn, and it's been roaming the landscape looking for braaaaaains for years now.
01:13 < leah> when you mentioned impedance-matching i thought of that
01:14 < Bradipo> I never found a compelling reason to switch from CVS to SVN, though.
01:14 < oldlaptop> I guess the freebsd people did.
01:14 < leah> freebsd uses git don't they?
01:14 < thrig> I found a compelling reason to switch back to CVS from SVN after SVN wedged and ate my files
01:15 < leah> well, they have svn but lots of people use git: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Git
01:15 < pardis> their homepage menu links to both git and svn repos
01:15 < pardis> which is at least consistent with their kernel shipping both BSD and Solaris
01:15 < oldlaptop> I believe some OpenBSD developers use git too. The canonical repository is still cvs, and will probably remain so for some considerable amount of time.
01:16 < leah> like, git is just compatible with my scatterbrain. i will work on 10 different changes all in different branches that get made and purged often on the same day, once they get merged in main
01:16 < Bradipo> I'm actually surprised that there even exists someone who wants to maintain a Git repository for OpenBSD.
01:17 < leah> but the point is well taken
01:17 < leah> git actually provides an automated way to import cvs trees into it
01:17 < Bradipo> Maybe that's why.
01:17 < pardis> Theo has argued against git for that exact reason, that it tends to result in fragmented development and changes that haven't been tested in combination
01:17 < oldlaptop> It turns out that not all humans like to think and work in the same way.
01:17 < pardis> it's on the lists somewhere
01:18 < leah> sometimes i won't even use branches
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01:18 < oldlaptop> (A lot fewer seem to actually /like/ git than actually use it.)
01:19 < leah> click "show more" on the right on the list of changes: https://review.trustedfirmware.org/c/TF-A/trusted-firmware-a/+/21253
01:19 < leah> all 38 of those patches are mine. that's not my project but i randomly starte dauditing it for like no reason, since saturday. auditing one specific util: fiptool
01:19 < Tekk> I experimented with cvs for a while, went okay but I feel like there'd be room for something a bit similar
01:19 < Tekk> git has so much momentum though.
01:19 < leah> and i just blasted all patches at once
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01:19 < Tekk> I can't even get away with using *hg* because nobody wants to touch anythign but git
01:19 < Bradipo> I use Git, I don't like it.  If I have a choice, I use Fossil.
01:20 < leah> that's a gerrit site, so it takes what i send and just puts it in a review branch
01:20 < oldlaptop> Tekk: There was room for something "kind of like cvs, but (supposedly) better". It was called svn.
01:20 < leah> and they can merge or not merge it in main if they want
01:20 < Tekk> oldlaptop: the first vcs I ever used!
01:20 < pardis> I use hg for my personal things that nobody else needs to touch
01:20 < pardis> the UI is much nicer than git
01:20 < Tekk> Mostly I want a distributed vcs which hates branching
01:21 < leah> whenever i've tried to use cvs or svn before, it just was mind boggling to me, like. with git i don't even think, it gets written, committed and pushed in the space of 5 minutes. then review and later merge
01:21 < oldlaptop> Tekk: That appears to be the big idea with got, or at least part of it.
01:21 < Tekk> Mhm. I've been keeping my eye on it
01:21 < Tekk> speaking of, hsa tedu been around at all? He hasn't posted to flak in a year
01:22 < leah> sorry, i should be working on that patch
01:23 < Menchers> I use CVS for my copy of the ports tree because I read that patches are expected to be produced by cvs's built in diffing tool, and I plan on occasionally contributing
01:23 < Menchers> but dang it's slow
01:23 < Tekk> I also do like some of git's eccentricities.
01:23 < Tekk> Like identifying commits by a hash
01:24 < Menchers> how is the difference in time to just update to the latest commit so enormously significant
01:24 < oldlaptop> Menchers: <oldlaptop> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Diff explains the appropriate way to generate diffs with git for tech@
01:24 < oldlaptop> (I believe much the same is appropriate for ports@.)
01:24 < Menchers> oh, cool
01:24 < Tekk> I think that's the process when I accidentally stole eduke32 from someone several years ago :)
01:24 < pardis> Menchers: CVS updates one file at a time (as most revision control from before the 1990s does), git updates the entire repo at once
01:24 < oldlaptop> except that new ports are customarily mailed as tarball attachments
01:24 < Tekk> (I thought the port was abandoned because it hadn't been updated in several years)
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01:25 < Menchers> I recall seeing a thread about how hard it is to add new directories to a local cvs checkout for the purpose of diffing
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01:25 < Menchers> I guess that's why they use tgzs :D
01:25 < Tekk> cvs being per-file also causes issues with handling renames if I remember right?
01:25 < Tekk> I think that was one of the reasons I stopped using it
01:26 < pardis> CVS is conceptually derived from RCS, which is conceptually derived from SCCS, which was a replacement for 'cp foo.c foo.c.version' before hacking on it
01:26 < pardis> Tekk: well, there is simply no such thing as a rename in CVS
01:26 < Tekk> Exactly
01:26 < pardis> you add a new file and remove the old one
01:26 < oldlaptop> cvs actually *uses* rcs, does it not?
01:26 < pardis> I think so
01:26 < leah> thing is, i see no reason why you can't use git in a centralised manner
01:26 < Tekk> yeah, iirc cvs started as a wrapper around rcs
01:26 < Tekk> If it's not now
01:26 < leah> similar to cvs
01:26 < oldlaptop> it's not just kinda-like rcs, it *is* rcs, just on a collection of files instead of one file
01:26 < Menchers> git has a rename/move function
01:26 < Menchers> I don't think got does, though?
01:26 < Tekk> Fossil I can't get into just because it has so much baggage
01:26 < Tekk> with the bug tracker, the wiki, etc
01:27 < pardis> git's "rename" function is just syntactic sugar
01:27 < oldlaptop> github-in-a-box
01:27 < Menchers> I'm kinda turned off by Fossil having a built in httpd mode
01:27 < Bradipo> leah: You mean github isn't "git in a centralised manner"?
01:27 < Tekk> Menchers: git is also just smart enough to know "if a file was deleted and a 90% identical file was created, it's a move"
01:27 < pardis> git has no intrinsic support for renames, but it does delta compression of the entire repo
01:27 < Menchers> ah
01:27 < pardis> so renames are handled efficiently by design
01:27 < Menchers> so got would also benefit from this?
01:27 < leah> well, you have mailing lists, branches and bam
01:27 < pardis> should, yes
01:27 < Bradipo> Menchers: You don't have to run "fossil server" if you don't want.
01:27 < leah> that's the thing about git, there are like 100 ways you can use it
01:28 < Bradipo> But it does make for quick and dirty sync options when necessary.
01:28 < Menchers> what about new kid on the block, Pijul
01:28 < Menchers> the VCS written in Rust
01:28 < leah> the vcs isn't the thing you obey, it obeys you. it can be adapted to many different workflows
01:28 < Tekk> Never even heard of it.
01:28 < Tekk> Sounds unfun though
01:28 < leah> but that's just my perspective
01:28 < oldlaptop> It appears that the only way that openbsd developers as a group will switch to using it (any time soon, anyway) is by writing a new implementation that happens to read and write git's on-disk format.
01:28 < leah> every time i've tried to use cvs/svn i've just said nope
01:29 < Tekk> Isn't that what got is oldlaptop ?
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01:29 < oldlaptop> Tekk: (yes)
01:29 < leah> got looks much more interesting
01:29 < Menchers> got seems quite actively developed
01:29 < leah> better licensing, and nicer coding style
01:29 < oldlaptop> I impedance-match with git pretty well, and for that reason don't much care for got. (Or fossil, or hg, or...)
01:29 < leah> will be great when using it exclusively is possible
01:30 < Menchers> seems it can clone from and push to git repositories now
01:30 < pardis> it's not anyone in this channel you have to convince that there are better options than CVS
01:30 < pardis> most people here probably don't use CVS other than for the OpenBSD repos, if at all
01:30 < pardis> but it's also not a hugely important thing to work on
01:30 < leah> there is one advantage to cvs's slowness updating/merging etc
01:31 < pardis> I'd rather have a faster filesystem than see CVS get replaced, for example
01:31 < Bradipo> I still have an old CVS repository or two that I haven't bothered to convert to something else. :-)
01:31 < Menchers> I remember when I had the ports tree on the same HDD as the rest of my OS partitions
01:31 < leah> like, git is instant. i was bored earlier and reset openbsd's git mirror locally to 1995 when it first imported netbsd... and compiled a few userland utils and they worked, lol
01:31 < Menchers> firefox stalled while I was running cvs up
01:31  * oldlaptop would in turn rather have a checksumming filesystem than a faster one
01:31 < Bradipo> But all my new projects end up in Fossil.
01:31 < leah> and resetting to that old rev took like 2 seconds
01:31 < Menchers> because it couldn't read from its cache because all the disk io was hogged by cvs
01:31 < leah> so you might say: why is being slow better?
01:31 < leah> well, with git it's so fast, you just.... hack. and push. and hack. and push.
01:32 < Tekk> Just ext4 support would be nice, honestly.
01:32 < Tekk> Even ro
01:32 < pardis> there is ro support for ext4
01:32 < leah> if the cvs is a bottleneck, maybe you think more about the code while you wait for it to finish :P
01:32 < pardis> the problem is that Linux added more feature flags to it after it was written
01:32 < pardis> so newly created ext4 filesystems are no longer ro-mountable
01:32 < oldlaptop> There was a window where at least some linuxes created ext4 filesystems by default that OpenBSD could read. That seems to have closed.
01:32 < Tekk> My understanding was that ext4 support didn't allow extents
01:32 < leah> so with cvs it's.... hack, push, think.... hack, push, think
01:32 < leah> with git there's less forced amount of thinking time :P
01:32 < Menchers> ffsv1 filesystems seem compatible between openbsd and freebsd
01:32 < Tekk> so basically openbsd's ext4 support was ext3 with the serial number filed off since that's the main change
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01:33 < Menchers> but if you have journaling turned on on free, on open the journal just looks like a regular file
01:33 < leah> that's a flippant way of looking at it, but i stand by it
01:33 < pardis> no, there is code for reading extents
01:33 < pardis> the clue is in the filename, even: /sys/ufs/ext2fs/ext2fs_extents.c
01:33 < pardis> I don't know which features specifically prevent it from being mounted these days
01:33 < Menchers> how important is journaling really
01:33  * oldlaptop is given to understand that the freebsd people wound up somewhat regretting ffs journaling
01:33 < Menchers> I recall someone playing with trim support for SSDs
01:33 < leah> like, pushing/pulling in cvs is a big event. so i suppose the natural flow in cvs is fou push when "done"
01:34 < leah> like, you work on the whole thing, do everything, and push
01:34 < Tekk> pardis: shows how long it's been
01:34 < leah> with git there is nothing practically stopping you just pushing 100 patches willy nilly
01:34 < oldlaptop> not enough improvement over the status quo with softdep to justify the cost, something like that
01:34 < Tekk> (at least partially because I do FDE on linux so interop doesn't help much anyway)
01:34 < leah> that's a boon, but i can see why openbsd devs might not like that. because openbsd's flow is much more... i don't have the word for it
01:35 < Tekk> How do the net folks feel about wapbl still? I remember some talk about that years ago
01:35 < leah> controlled. for want of a better word
01:35 < leah> but i digress
01:35 < Menchers> my password storing solution is a vnode disk with a softraid CRYPTO volume on it and text files
01:35 < Menchers> portability: just no
01:35 < leah> those poor sods at ARM have to review all 38 patches that i bombed them
01:35 < leah> if they used cvs, that'd slow me down, so that they don't get bombed as much :)
01:37 < Menchers> how about the poor poor chromium devs and openbsd's 1171 patches
01:37 < Menchers> I mean apparently the just ignore *BSD users
01:37 < leah> interesting
01:37 < oldlaptop> Google's position is that Chromium does not support OpenBSD, as far as I'm aware.
01:38 < durtal> %znc%
01:38 < leah> well, the repo i worked on earlier was trusted-firmware-a, of the trustedfirmware project
01:38 < leah> it's basically coreboot, but for arm stuff
01:38 < leah> bl1 bl2 blinsertnumberhere
01:38 < Bradipo> Menchers: Copy the vnode disk and it's "portable". :-)
01:38 < leah> actually, coreboot uses it on some machines
01:38 < Menchers> Bradipo: just need an openbsd system to decrypt and mount it :D
01:38 < leah> on certain arm chromebooks it uses the bl31 part of trustedfirmware, shimming around it
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01:39 < Bradipo> No different than needing some other software to decrypt something.
01:39 < leah> e.g. gru-* chromebooks
01:39 < Bradipo> If you gpg encrypt a file, or use openssl to encrypt a file, still needed.
01:39 < Menchers> yeah
01:39 < Menchers> I used to use openssl to individually encrypt each password file
01:39 < Menchers> was rather cumbersome
01:39 < Bradipo> Menchers: The real question is... what do you use to edit the plaintext copy of the file in the mounted softraid?
01:39 < Menchers> and then
01:39 < Bradipo> Where does it store it's "tmp" files?
01:39 < leah> but you know, google not supporting openbsd is a good thing
01:39 < Menchers> openssl changed the format
01:39 < leah> it means no netflix
01:40 < leah> lack of netflix support in openbsd is a feature
01:40 < Menchers> no netflix is a good thing?
01:40 < Menchers> ok
01:40 < oldlaptop> The people shoveling out that particular Augean stable may not be inclined to agree
01:40 < Menchers> I mean we have a selection of torrent clients I suppose
01:40 < leah> (google is the one providing wivedine, the binary blob that handles drm stuff in browsers)
01:40 < Menchers> Bradipo, vi
01:40 < Menchers> why have a tmp file
01:40 < leah> (i assume openbsd doesn't have it, owing to its lack of linux binary compatibility - i wonder if freebsd can run it?)
01:40 < Bradipo> And have you properly configured vi to not write files in /tmp ?
01:40 < Tekk> I believe freebsd can do widevine
01:40 < Menchers> well, no
01:41 < Menchers> D:
01:41 < Menchers> erm actually I usually use 'cat'
01:41 < Bradipo> I suppose if you make tmp mfs you're alright and swap is encrypted.
01:41 < leah> ok yeah freebsd can. i just checked online
01:41 < Menchers> now that I think of it I think I always use cat
01:41 < Menchers> can check /tmp to make sure…
01:41 < Menchers> I use FDE anyways
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01:42 < Bradipo> Oh, well, if your whole disk is encrypted, then never mind.
01:42 < Menchers> /tmp/vi.recover is empty, does it get cleared on reboot?
01:42 < Menchers> or cleared whenever you exit vi?
01:42 < al1r4d> Thought about this guys? 😅🙏
01:42 < al1r4d> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGoo1YxAYao
01:43 < Menchers> the nested encryption is mostly because I don't want all the passwords sitting out while my system is booted
01:43 < Menchers> I tend to unmount and bioctl -d the password vnode disk when I'm done
01:43 < Tekk> al1r4d: Mostly I think I can't understand the language he's speaking :)
01:43 < Bradipo> It's interesting... man vi claims that TMPDIR is ignored,  yet what happens if you run: env TMPDIR=/nonexistent vi
01:44 < Tekk> But also httpd is usually the preferred httpd these days
01:44 < Tekk> nginx might be helpful in a pinch though
01:44 < al1r4d> > al1r4d: Mostly I think I can't understand the language he's speaking :)
01:44 < al1r4d> Uh.. sorry.. its indonesian..
01:44 < Menchers> my friends are docker/kubernetes fanboys
01:44 < thrig> man vi | col -bx | grep recdir
01:44 < al1r4d> > But also httpd is usually the preferred httpd these days
01:44 < al1r4d> Okay
01:44 < Menchers> they say run a container with nginx in it
01:44 < Tekk> No worries, not exactly his fault that I can't speak it
01:45 < Bradipo> thrig: Right, recdir can be used to control this.
01:45 < thrig> or use the standard editor
01:45 < Bradipo> ed?
01:46 < thrig> ... nope, that also buffers in /tmp
01:46 < Menchers> on a note unrelated to the current discussion but still about openbsd
01:46 < Menchers> I've been having issues I believe are related to xonly
01:46 < Bradipo> Well, I surely hope the "standard editor" is not mg. :-)
01:46 < Menchers> is there a way to turn it off? like the wxallowed flag for w6x?
01:46 < Menchers> w^x*
01:46 < Menchers> affected programs include chromium/iridium, java, and vmd
01:47 < Tekk> What behavior are you seeing?
01:47 < Menchers> chromium and iridium encounter a tab crash immediately on attempting to execute javascript
01:47 < leah> but yeah, cvs sucks
01:47 < Menchers> java does not start, I can provide some error output
01:48 < Menchers> and vmd doesn't start, but is fairly quiet about it
01:48 < leah> it's like. anything i want to do in git is 3x as much work in cvs
01:48 < leah> 5x
01:49 < leah> this is based on my reading of manuals while we were chatting earlier. everything i'm reading seems arcane
01:50 < Bradipo> The one thing that git and fossil (and likely other new DVCS) is inexpensive branching.
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01:50 < Bradipo> s/fossil/fossil provide/
01:51 < Bradipo> CVS is definitely much older and perhaps somewhat oldschool and arcane.
01:51 < leah> git config --local diff.noprefix true
01:51 < leah> i just do this and then git-diff, and what i send you will work with cvs
01:51 < Bradipo> The other major benefit to newer VCS are things like "bisect".
01:52 < leah> yes, bisect is the reason half my stuff works
01:52 < Tekk> The ability to rebase to clean up history's one I find myself liking a lot
01:52 < Tekk> Especially at work.
01:52 < leah> there is also --force push
01:52 < Tekk> Coworkers don't need to know how many typos I've made when I put a review up
01:52 < leah> another great nuclear weapon in my arsenal
01:52 < Menchers> my favorite git command is rm -rf * && git reset --hard
01:53 < leah> here's another quickie:
01:53 < leah> git diff > diff
01:53 < leah> git apply -R diff
01:53 < leah> rm diff
01:53 < leah> for uncommitted changes that you want to nuke
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01:53 < leah> i do it all the time
01:53 < Menchers> ha that might be a safer version of mine
01:53 < Tekk> I just get reset --hard HEAD for that
01:54 < leah> yeah that works too
01:54 < Menchers> wouldn't nuke all untracked files though?
01:54 < Menchers> or would it
01:54 < leah> that's precisely *why* i do it that way
01:54 < Tekk> ^
01:54 < leah> so that if i do it by mistake, at least i don't lose added files
01:54 < Tekk> I do it when I wanna nuke everything :p
01:54 < leah> there's also lola
01:54 < leah> git lola
01:54 < Menchers> I do it when I want my clone to be completely fresh like I just cloned it
01:55 < Menchers> none of the untracked files I may have added, no edits
01:55 < leah> http://blog.kfish.org/2010/04/git-lola.html
01:55 < leah> git lola is your friend
01:55 < Tekk> That's exactly it. I only do it when I specifically want to force the repo into a known state
01:55 < Bradipo> Menchers: You mean when you want your working checkout to be fresh?
01:55 < Menchers> yeah
01:55 < leah> with git lola i see the branches, how they connect
01:56 < leah> it's all intuitive
01:56 < leah> in a greppable fashion
01:56 < Menchers> with got I can just delete the source tree and check it out again because the repository clone and the source tree are separate directories
01:56 < leah> useful for making changelogs too
01:56 < leah> i literally just do changelogs with git lola sometimes, for releases of things
01:56 < Menchers> unlike git that keeps the repository in .git/ in the tree
01:56 < leah> and you can localise it
01:57 < leah> like, git lola path
01:57 < leah> path can be directory, file
01:57 < leah> and it grabs it for just that file
01:57 < leah> there's one pet peeve i have with git: old file paths moved/deleted, i never know how to track those from HEAD
01:57 < CheemsBread> openbsd more like openbased 
01:58 < leah> i wonder if touching and staging the file would work
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01:59 < leah> now, as for xpledge()
01:59 < leah> wondering if i should just stick it in stdio.h
02:00 < leah> like, even as a macro
02:00 < leah> that'd work
02:02 < Tekk> xpledge?
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02:07 < leah> Tekk: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1281527
02:08 < leah> i use this myself. i asked earlier and was advised to send it to tech@
02:08 < leah> just deciding literally where to put it. i'm sticking this in stdio
02:08 < leah> without the ifdef. the ifdef is there in my version because i use it portably
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02:09 < leah> tbh though i think i'll make it an actual int that returns
02:09 < Bradipo> What I don't understand is the point of including this xpledge() in OpenBSD sources?
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02:10 < Bradipo> It seems like the kind of thing that belongs in non-OpenBSD sources.
02:10 < leah> well in your sources i see things like:
02:10 < leah> if(pledge(blablabla)==-1)
02:10 < leah>     err(1,"pledge");
02:10 < leah> and that'll be repeated
02:11 < leah> literally the same -1 check and same err call, same args, each time
02:12 < leah> but it onlyreturns 0 or -1 so so, xpledge will be void
02:12 < Lucas6023> you should then provide an xmalloc, xrealloc, xcalloc, xreallocarray, xcallocarray, xwrite (probably), xread (probably), xstrdup, xstrndup (probably)
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02:12 < Lucas6023> and I can go on
02:12 < Lucas6023> but I think you see the point
02:12 < leah> actually it'd best that this goes in unistd.h
02:13 < leah> Lucas6023: yes, in fact some of those exist already
02:13 < leah> e.g. publib has some
02:13 < Lucas6023> yes, in places that aren't OpenBSD's libc
02:13 < quinq> riceandbeans, thanks for the update, glad you found out the issue :)
02:14 < leah> https://github.com/ajkaijanaho/publib/
02:15 < leah> well, freebsd has publib available in ports, openbsd doesn't
02:15 < leah> perhaps i should: 1) submit this to public (with the ifdef included), and 2) add a port to openbsd for publib?
02:15 < leah> i see your point, bloating obsd's libc might be bad
02:15 < leah> slippery slope
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02:16 < leah> i actually implemented a few others independently. some code i worked on that has to be portable, re-implements several libc functions from scratch, and i implemented:
02:16 < leah> xfopen, xfwrite, xfread
02:17 < leah> also err() !
02:17 < quinq> Making libraries for two-lines functions usually isn't really a good idea
02:17 < quinq> Even if you repeat them often
02:17 < leah> thing is, public isn't maintained
02:17 < leah> since 11 years ago
02:18 < leah> publib*
02:18 < leah> so...
02:18 < oldlaptop> If /usr/bin is full, surely libc is too
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02:18 < leah> probably best not put it in standard libc
02:18 < leah> should i just not bother?
02:19 < oldlaptop> The worst that can happen if you mail in a patch is that somebody wastes some time on it and yells at you.
02:19 < leah> my favourite xlol function i saw recently is.... xzalloc
02:20 < leah> and xfree
02:20 < leah> the x functions literally just do what the main ones do, but abort on error
02:20 < leah> kinda redundant because you can probably just use assert
02:20 < oldlaptop> That isn't really what assert() is for.
02:20 < leah> assert(pledge(whatever));
02:20 < leah> not really wise though
02:21 < leah> -1 would be non-zero and make assert abort, but -1 is the correct fail val
02:21 < leah> not generic non-zero
02:21 < quinq> wat
02:21 < leah> sorry, ignore that
02:22 < oldlaptop> assert(foo) means (or ought to mean) that you believe foo *cannot* be false, not that you believe foo might be false and want to check for that.
02:22 < leah> all i know is, 5 lines of code is better than 10 (usually)
02:22 < pardis> not really
02:22 < Bradipo> According to "The C Programming Language", assert is to "add diagnostics to a program".
02:22 < pardis> you can write a C program all on one line if you want
02:23 < quinq> Not when you have to lookup who the hell decided to add an xfree and what it's supposed to do and what mind though this was a clever trick
02:23 < pardis> it doesn't make it better
02:23 < leah> assert(condition) aborts if condition is true
02:23 < quinq> assert is for debugging your workflow
02:23 < quinq> When you release with NDEBUG, it's all gone
02:24 < oldlaptop> See https://sqlite.org/assert.html on this topic
02:24 < leah> ah
02:24 < leah> i forgot about that
02:24 < leah> so that code i looked at earlier is a load of crap
02:24 < leah> (i didn't use assert, they did. i was auditing someone's code)
02:25 < leah> they're using assert for error handling
02:26 < leah> in software used for building firmware images
02:26 < quinq> assert is for weeding out condition that should never happen in your code and that has to be raised during testing
02:26 < quinq> It's not for error handling
02:26 < leah> they seem to be using it for that
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02:29 < leah> i won't add xpledge then. not because it's bad, but because i agree with the sentiment that was raised:
02:29 < leah> if that gets merged, then so will xmalloc, xfree, xthis, xthat
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02:29 < leah> feature creep, they call that. fun stuff.
02:29 < thrig> APUE has an emalloc, iirc. probably saves a few lines
02:30 < leah> emalloc. i assume that's similar to xmalloc
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02:33 < leah> i think doing it in libc but in a non-standand header filename would be ok
02:34 < leah> just a bunch of error-safe versions of common libc functions
02:34 < oldlaptop> #ifdef POLLUTE_NAMESPACE
02:35 < pardis> it's going to save one or two lines in almost all programs where it's purportedly useful
02:35 < pardis> if you happen to be working on something heavily privsep, you might save 10
02:35 < pardis> really doesn't sound worth the time even to discuss it as long as this channel has
02:35 < Tekk> two lines max, considering how the macro is two lines long :p
02:35 < leah> yeah
02:35 < leah> i just like ricing code
02:35 < thrig> LISP has macros and stuff
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02:46 < pony> I heard Lisp
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02:48 < thrig> ith a speeth impediment
02:48 < pony> it is list processing!
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02:49 < mason> lithp procething
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02:51 < pony> :(
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02:54 < mason> (sorry)
02:55 < mason> (incf pony)
02:55 < pony> 🫂
02:55 < thrig> (defun sorry () 'eh)
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03:00 < leah> lisp is actually good
03:01 < pony> thank you leah
03:01 < pony> I think so too
03:02  * oldlaptop doesn't reckon its brackets are square enough
03:02 < leah> i've never found a use for it in my projects but the land of lisp is good
03:02 < leah> it's a book that teaches advanced lisp programming
03:03 < Tekk> could always look at clojure, oldlaptop 
03:03 < Tekk> :p
03:03 < Tekk> I like scheme myself
03:03 < leah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1Zb3xmvMc
03:03 < leah> you can just read the pdf
03:04 < pony> im reading practical common lisp atm
03:05 < leah> just don't use it for system stuff. it's good for maths, like, it just has better features for much more abstract things
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03:06 < leah> for example https://www.cliki.net/mathematics
03:09 < pony> mmm, maybe I'll use it for this years aoc
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03:10  * oldlaptop should start on the 2022 one again
03:10 < pony> I actually got bored after 2 weeks fo it
03:10 < pony> of
03:10 < pony> then stopped
03:10 < leah> kernel in C. automate the finishing of your trig homework in lisp.
03:11 < oldlaptop> only found one that didn't make any sense to whack with sqlite
03:11 < leah> if i knew lisp in college, i would have been much happier
03:12 < Tekk> leah: I did that
03:12 < Tekk> I wrote a bunch of little scheme things to help with math classes in uni
03:12 < leah> it's what lisp was born to do.
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03:16 < pony> anything that can help with maths is good :|
03:16 < leah> it's even better nowadays
03:17 < pony> I recently started a course that uses matlab
03:17 < pony> a mooc
03:17 < leah> nowadays you can tap away at a tablet on your desk, and make that do all your computing
03:17 < pony> mmm
03:17 < leah> all we had were casios and ti-84's
03:18 < pony> :)
03:18 < leah> i mean you could lug around a laptop but then it takes up the whole desk
03:19 < leah> take some tablet and put linux on it (or bsd if you prefer), and write stuff in lisp
03:23 < pony> nap time, bbiab
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03:56 < leah> would openbsd in principle support porting linux nouveau driver to it, if someone does the work
03:56 < leah> someone could be me
03:57 < leah> but i want to know what the mentality would be... for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/10aa2l2/why_does_openbsd_not_use_the_nouveau_driver/
03:57 < pardis> you're asking these sorts of questions in the wrong place
03:57 < pardis> this is a user support channel
03:57 < leah> ah
03:57 < pardis> there are few OpenBSD developers here, and those who are here aren't active much
03:57 < leah> right, mailing list then
03:58 < leah> sorry, didn't realise this was just user support
03:58 < leah> well i'll ask another day. kinda tired rn anyway but i'm interested in doing this work
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04:00 < leah> i saw a reddit post from a obsd dev that seemed to suggest there is no interest, due to bias against reverse engineered driver - mentality seems to be either good support or no support )nouveau is quite "experimental") - i'll ask another day on tech@
04:00 < leah> the intel/amd video drivers have direct development from the vendors and are high quality
04:00 < Tekk> That sounds about right from my subjective experience
04:01 < Tekk> The tendency is that OpenBSD only supports hardware it can support properly.
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07:08 < tercaL> Hi, good morning
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08:02 < leah> i hardened the pledges on one of my own programs, and also added unveil() just now:
08:02 < leah> https://browse.libreboot.org/lbmk.git/commit/?id=c2cd191676f5b491324d29484148c557dad548a5
08:03 < leah> https://browse.libreboot.org/lbmk.git/commit/?id=78fc89352b23571f6bf4d7ef7e9f4a464dfe373c
08:03 < leah> it's a mac address randomiser. src: https://browse.libreboot.org/lbmk.git/plain/util/nvmutil/nvmutil.c?id=78fc89352b23571f6bf4d7ef7e9f4a464dfe373c
08:03 < leah> pretty tight
08:03 < leah> the argument handling in main sucks. gonna rewrite that
08:04 < leah> openbsd is so much fun to hack on
08:04 < pony> :>
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08:17 < leah> i've pretty much just been ricing random codebases since saturday. i need to get back to actual work soon though.
08:18 < pony> what is ricing?
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08:19 < quinq> Doing questionable optimization rework
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08:35 < IcePic> pony: as in "I put a cool sticker on my car to make it faster"
08:36 < pony> ahh
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09:11 < renaud_> IcePic: https://www.etsy.com/listing/773569210/pair-of-lightning-bolt-decals-lightning?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=lightning+sticker&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&organic_search_click=1 ?
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10:19 < tercaL> lol who did this? https://yourwife.zip
10:19 < tercaL> (refresh the page)
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11:29 < renaud_> is there a way to force nginx to terminate when it restarts instea deof shutting down gracefuly?
11:30 < renaud_> rc_stop_signal=STOP in /etc/rc.d/nginx or something better in rc.conf.local?
11:30 < renaud_> or rc_stop_signal=TERM
11:33 < renaud_> It's not clear if rc_stop_signal can be overridden in rc.conf.local
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11:39 < sibiria> renaud_: no but you can redefine actions (and define own actions)
11:40 < sibiria> etc-rc.d-vmd has an example of it
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12:07 < renaud_> sibiria: but that means, I cannot do it without modifying rc.d script, which will be reset next time there is an update
12:08 < sibiria> yes, at least i don't think rc has support for "tailing" user configs
12:08 < pardis> my usual solution to that is to copy the script to something with a different name (nginx_local, for example) and modify that
12:08 < sibiria> yeah that's what i'd do as well
12:08 < sibiria> introduce your own service file
12:08 < renaud_> yes, that's probably the cleanest solution
12:08 < renaud_> but I will need to verify it every time there is an update tough
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12:09 < sibiria> maybe they'd accept a patch allowing configuring the signal
12:10 < sibiria> rcctl isn't overly complex of a script
12:10 < Intrepid> Hi all, I'm now running 7.3 on full disk encryption via the new guided process included with the installer - hooray
12:10 < sibiria> glad to hear you finally got it solved
12:11 < renaud_> I will see if I can modify rcctl with enough security to allow that
12:11 < sibiria> or rcctl_site, your own copy
12:11 < Intrepid> Thanks sibiria for your help the other day on the encrypted USB setup... That allowed me to backup the important stuff before the installation
12:11 < renaud_> it's nice that 7.3 installer can now do FDE
12:12 < Intrepid> I've installed firefox, disabled media.peerconnect in most forms that I could find... Installed Noscript extensions and ublock origin... Feeling pretty secure BUT unsure about how OpenBSD treats the wifi and/or bluetooth that may or may not be on by default here...
12:13 < sibiria> it's off unless you've explicitly configured it
12:13 < sibiria> bluetooth is always off, because no bt support in openbsd yet
12:13 < pardis> s/yet/anymore/
12:13 < Intrepid> Yes renaud and it seems a lot easier than the traditional process
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12:13 < renaud_> but you can purchase audio blutooth USB dongles which work just fine
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12:14 < renaud_> avantree bluetooth audio dongles work quite fine
12:15 < Intrepid> I had a look at "man afterboot" and it talks about potentially "tightening up security" by tinkering with '/etc/fbtab' and mentions this in the context of X which I'm pretty sure I'm running having enabled xenodm etc. at the install
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12:16 < Intrepid> What about IPv6 ... disabled by default?
12:16 < sibiria> unless you configured ipv6 for your network interface during install
12:17 < sibiria> but it's on the whole enabled in the system
12:17 < renaud_> and installer even tries to configure it
12:17 < Intrepid> I didn't have any network connected at install so I didn't get the chance. All I've done since (to enable internet) was use vi to create a hostname.if containing "inet autoconf"
12:19 < Intrepid> ok sibiria so then I'll need to disable it...
12:20 < sibiria> if your interface doesn't obtain an ipv6 address, you have more or less disabled it
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12:20 < leah> turns out my hardware is fine. i managed to make openbsd... smooth
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12:21 < leah> was running xfce. it's on a laptop with old nvidia and the nv driver, a bit slow but: stuff lagged like hell in xfce
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12:21 < leah> i don't know which of the two made it work better, or whether it's both, but i did these 3 things:
12:21 < leah> * switched to lxqt
12:21 < leah> * disabled apmd
12:21 < leah> * set up obsdfreqd instead
12:21 < leah> youtube.com in browser at 720 60fps is smooth now!
12:22 < Intrepid> Right sibiria I've just done ifconfig hoping it would show whether ipv6 is on but it doesn't seem to show that info... What can I use otherwise
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12:22 < sibiria> Intrepid: if your interface doesn't have an "inet6" spec, it will not be able to do ipv6
12:22 < Intrepid> leah is obsdfreqd even needed anymore in 7.3 ?
12:22 < leah> my money is on obsdfreqd. the cpu was running hot without it, and that probably made the gpu scale down due to overheating. the cooling on this laptop is crap
12:23 < sibiria> yes it's still needed
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12:23 < leah> cpu: thermal paste. nvidia gpu: thermal *pad*
12:23 < Intrepid> sibiria when you say spec, you mean a device specification like em0 etc. ?
12:23 < leah> i bought some copper shims but haven't installed yet. a guy in USA makes them specifically for this machine (latitute e6400)
12:23 < sibiria> Intrepid: for example lo0 interface (localhost): inet6 fe80::1
12:23 < leah> Intrepid: is there another way? my intent was to have CPU scale down during idle usage state
12:24 < Intrepid> not that I know of leah - was hoping this would be addressed in the latest version
12:24 < sibiria> there's no other way when openbsd detects it's on mains power
12:24 < leah> yeah they changed the frequency scaling to... hot... by default, in recent versions. i think it's intended for servers which run hot anyway
12:24 < leah> idk
12:24 < sibiria> i don't think theo will backtrack on his decision. at least not anytime soon
12:25 < sibiria> obsdfreqd is the way
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12:25 < leah> openbox is really snappy too, unlike xfce's wm. can move stuff around while watching videos, it's a bit laggy but "frame skips" (for want of a better word) and everything just snaps back to smoothless when i stop moving the window
12:25 < leah> it's as though lxqt people actually test their DE on... crappy hardware
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12:25 < Intrepid> ok sibiria I see ipv6 enabled now up near the top of the list (ifconfig) ... how to disable/
12:26 < leah> sorry, was jus t expressing excitement that my machine... now works well
12:26 < sibiria> Intrepid: ifconfig <interface> -inet6 - but i don't recommend you doing it for the localhost interface
12:27 < Intrepid> ok thanks... I'll do it for my sole source of internet : ethernet to my router on em0
12:27 < sibiria> for all purposes and intents, ipv6 should be a "safer" address family specification than ipv4
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12:31 < Intrepid> I think I might just leave it till I learn more about the merits of v4 vs v6 ... for some reason I had ipv6 mentally bookmarked as something to avoid from a security perspective
12:31 < sibiria> it still has a shine of "new and scary"
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12:32 < Intrepid> ps: ifconfig reveals an iwn0 (wlan) device ... does this mean its provisioned (and on) but just not connected to anything per "status: no network" ?
12:33 < sibiria> yes, means the kernel has successfully found and engaged with it, should you want to use it
12:34 < Intrepid> I'd rather it off... I've actually got it manually turned off on the laptop hard buttons
12:34 < sibiria> if you're paranoid you may "delete" it to feel certain the OS won't have any way to interact with it: ifconfig <interface> delete
12:35 < sibiria> but, the OS won't do anything with the interface automatically unless you have a hostname.if file for it
12:35 < sibiria> but i agree it would be nice to have some means to directly tell the USB/PCI bus to definitely power a device down
12:36 < Intrepid> Sorting FDE on my main HDD has been on my to do list for a while. With that now sorted I'm wondering about the BIOS noting this is originally just a 2012 model windows laptop with easily breachable bios. How can I at least update the bios. Is there a way to do this in OpenBSD?
12:36 < Intrepid> ok well that sorts the Wifi - no need to worry about it as I certainly won't be making a hostname.iwn0 for it
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12:37 < renaud_> you probably own't be able to update the BIOS inside OpenBSD, but there should be some bootable usb freedos whioch should be able to do it
12:38 < Intrepid> freedos?
12:38 < renaud_> depends on your PC
12:39 < sibiria> if it's one of those stupid BIOSes with no internal update mechanism then the manufacturer will provide a flashing utility with the BIOS firmware files
12:39 < sibiria> in worst case it's one of those retarded solutions that only run on windows. in that case you will need to boot windows PE to update the laptop
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12:41 < Intrepid> haha
12:41 < Intrepid> just found this https://julianaito.github.io/pages/custom_freedos_openbsd_bios_update.html
12:42 < sibiria> or freedos.org for just freedos
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12:59 < leah> i'm watching bee and puppycat in youtube and moving a qterminal window around really fast. video isn't lagging.
13:00 < leah> it's just... smooth. so happy with my puffy now
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13:01 < Intrepid> Might be easier to just connect my Graphene OS mobile to a printer right?
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13:03 < sibiria> openbsd has CUPS. it mostly works from what i've heard
13:03 < seninha> hi, do OpenBSD networking utilities use a /etc/networks database file for naming networks? I could not find any manual for it... I was expecting networks(5).
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13:04 < Intrepid> Yeh I read about that too sibiria ... thanks for the reminder
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13:05 < Tekk> CUPS theoretically works, but you need working drivers for it
13:06 < Tekk> For example the CUPS driver for my printer is a binary blob. All the good stuf is in some .so file
13:06 < Tekk> (Which also means it doesn't work on my arm laptop, annoyingly)
13:06 < seninha> grepping for "/etc/networks" on /usr/share/man/*/* pointed to hosts(5), which says: "Up to OpenBSD 6.3, a separate file /etc/networks could be used to store network names"
13:06 < seninha> So the database has been removed?
13:07 < seninha> (and why, btw?)
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13:08 < thrig> man getnetent | col -bx | perl -00 -nle 'print if m{/networks}'
13:08 < oldlaptop> /most/ printers nowadays work 'driverless'
13:08 < oldlaptop> (this is necessary to support modern macs, which also use cups)
13:08 < Intrepid> Tekk and by arm laptop you mean an M2 macbook?
13:08 < thrig> so probably you would find when those changes went in, find related mailing list traffic, etc
13:08 < Tekk> No
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13:12 < sibiria> oldlaptop: macOS uses CUPS with manufacturer's drivers when necessary. same as on linux, just wider availability of drivers
13:13 < sibiria> epson, canon, hp etc. do OSX/macOS drivers since more or less forever
13:13 < oldlaptop> apple's new "AirPrint" (R) (TM) stuff is, AIUI, driverless
13:14 < oldlaptop> i.e. you do not get to put the (R) (TM) (BBQ) sticker on your printer that says it has AirPrint unless it works driverless
13:14 < sibiria> maybe, not sure, never used it. but adding a printer in macOS is the usual case of "looking for drivers, downloading, installing"
13:14 < Intrepid> (BBQ) Lol
13:14 < renaud_> it seems HTTP/3.0 with nginx causes issues on iphones
13:14 < sibiria> just with the convenience of macOS doing all of it for you
13:14 < Tekk> oldlaptop: given the name "airprint" I'm pretty sure it's "driverless"
13:15 < Tekk> Like printing from a phone: the drivers exist, it's just 'the cloud's' job to talk to your printer for you
13:15 < Intrepid> suprised its not called faceprint
13:16 < oldlaptop> in this particular case the thick stinky layer of marketing covers up something useful (not a bla-bla-cloud thing)
13:16 < oldlaptop> IIRC it's more or less the ipp everywhere standard
13:16 < Intrepid> mmmh you've just made me realise that using my mobile phone to print instead of setting up my OpenBSD laptop for same might be even harder...
13:16 < Intrepid> esp. with this unique Graphene OS Im running
13:17 < seninha> (sorry, got afk for a min) thrig: thanks, i just checked openbsd.org/64.html, which says "The anachronistic networks(5) configuration file is no longer supported".  I'm gonna search the mailing lists now.
13:17 < Tekk> Huh. Guess I'll have to hunt for that next time I need a printer
13:18 < Intrepid> I wonder how much longer the "cloud" marketing BS has got to run before its actually looked on as showing how old something is.... Will we see "Face Cloud" before that time :O
13:19 < oldlaptop> The end result of apple's machinations is that it's reasonably likely you can plug a random network printer in, and have the cups-browsed and avahi stuff magically figure out more or less how you're supposed to configure it
13:19 < Intrepid> asahi?
13:19 < oldlaptop> (it is less likely you can set up a random network printer's wifi and have it work, but that is because printers have paperweights for wifi radios)
13:20 < Intrepid> on the upside - reduced attack proximity .-)
13:20 < sibiria> don't most printers with wifi offer a web-based printing console, along the lines of just uploading a PDF or image etc. to it and let it do the rest
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13:21 < sibiria> i'm sure i've run into that a few times
13:21 < Tekk> I haven't had that experience with my printer at least, but I think I got that a good...6 or 7 years ago?
13:22 < Intrepid> wouldn't suprise me. For me personally though I don't want anything WIFI .. I'm old skool wired wherever possible
13:22 < Intrepid> anyways I'm feeling optimistic about CUPS and not just bcos it reminds me of boobies
13:23 < sibiria> good chance of good results
13:23 < sibiria> but setting up printer queue might be a hurdle
13:24 < sibiria> if that's even needed still, i cannot recall. maybe it's possible to head straight for the printer so to speak
13:26 < Intrepid> Right folks... catch you on the flip side
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13:29 < seninha> found this: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=141392054323508&w=2
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14:29 < renaud_> this can explain lots of things I have seen: https://github.com/nginx/nginx/commit/cb70d5954c65b5683bc1c104bbf2466b73f4aa2b
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15:24 < al1r4d> > wouldn't suprise me. For me personally though I don't want anything WIFI .. I'm old skool wired wherever possible
15:24 < al1r4d> Wow
15:26 < Bradipo> What wouldn't surprise you?
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15:33 < sibiria> i love wifi and bluetooth. irradiate me, daddy
15:33 < sibiria> i mean, forward to the future!
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15:45 < Filystyn> long time a go someone here gived me hint hwo to detect low quality music. Well i forgottent what he said and I fianlly am ready to do some scripting
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15:49 < sadLarry> Can I verify the ISO with gpg?
15:51 < Lucas6023> sadLarry: no, the signature is made with signify. Both the signature and the key format are quite different from PGP's.
15:51 < Lucas6023> you can either verify it with signify from another OpenBSD, or you can download minisign and use that instead.
15:51 < Lucas6023> iirc it does support verifying signify signatures
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15:54 < sadLarry> Lucas6023, this? https://jedisct1.github.io/minisign/
15:55 < Lucas6023> yes. But I'd check if signify isn't packaged already for your OS, first.
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16:01 < sadLarry> Thanks
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16:02 < sadLarry> Why not use GPG?
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16:02 < Tekk> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  bin   1.2M Mar 24 20:50 /usr/local/bin/gpg 
16:03 < Tekk> I believe the original reason was "You literally can't fit gpg on a boot floppy"
16:03 < Tekk> Not if you want silly things like a kernel and bootloader on there, ofc
16:03 < xtile> Aren't there implementations of PGP other than GPG by now?  I know Thunderbird uses something else.
16:03 < xtile> Just thinking.  I don't have much knowledge of signify, so I'm not against it in any way.
16:05 < Lucas6023> xtile: there is Sequoia
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16:08 < Lucas6023> sadLarry: can't find a discussion about it in announce@, tech@ or misc@. My gut feeling is: support for a single primitive, small keys and small signatures.
16:09 < sadLarry> I simply installed it
16:09 < Lucas6023> that being said, it colors me surprised that it's not statically linked
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16:13 < Lucas6023> https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan-signify.html shares some light
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16:41 < sadLarry> So I wanted to try out OpenBSD on libvirt. Does it boots with BIOS?
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16:41 < eea> yup
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16:43 < sadLarry> ok
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17:01 < sadLarry> for some reason weird reason I'm unable to proceed further down the installation.
17:02 < sadLarry> I pressed enter to boot through the CD but when asked for Install, Upgrade Autoinstall, It doesn't take an input
17:03 < sadLarry> https://i.imgur.com/0S8c3si.png
17:03 < sadLarry> have a look
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17:05 < sibiria> maybe your hypervisor isn't forwarding keyboard correctly after all
17:07 < sibiria> perhaps try usb keyboard passthrough, or serial port
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17:10 < sadLarry> sibiria, USB keyboard worked
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17:25 < sadLarry> I can't have EFI partitions?
17:26 < sadLarry> Is it because I booted from BIOS rather than UEFI?
17:26 < sadLarry> and if that's the case how can I switch to UEFI?
17:27 < sibiria> you can. post-install you will need to create the ESP and crop the bootloader in there
17:27 < sibiria> kinda easier to just redo the install on UEFI
17:27 < sibiria> (since you just installed and haven't set anything up)
17:27 < sibiria> drop*
17:28 < sadLarry> I wanted to install through UEFI, but it won't boot
17:28 < sibiria> try the disk image installer instead of the cd image
17:28 < sibiria> install73.img
17:28 < sibiria> or the miniroot
17:29 < sadLarry> on it
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17:34 < sadLarry> sibiria, https://i.imgur.com/5zR8LHU.png
17:34 < sadLarry> ;(
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17:37 < sibiria> sorry, no idea, i've never done a UEFI install on qemu/libvirt. i just know openbsd/uefi works fine on all of my hardware
17:38 < sadLarry> alright
17:38 < sadLarry> thanks sibiria 
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17:39 < oldlaptop> virt-manager seems to be built on the assumption that people fooling with efi for their VMs know enough about efi to deal with its shell
17:39 < oldlaptop> if you are not and do not wish to be such a person, are you sure you want efi at all?
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17:45 < sadLarry> I can't create GPT tables
17:47 < oldlaptop> Why do you want to do that?
17:49 < sadLarry> OpenBSD encourages users to split their disk into a number of partitions, rather than just one or two large ones
17:49 < oldlaptop> Yes, it does. It doesn't encourage them to use GPT partitions for that, however.
17:50 < oldlaptop> If you're just starting out with a throwaway VM, it's probably better not to worry about partitioning at all: just accept the installer's defaults
17:50 < sibiria> sadLarry: in openbsd those are file systems, and they usually live inside one single conventional partition
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17:50 < oldlaptop> as long as your (virtual) disk is reasonably big, you'll get a sane partitioning scheme that way
17:50 < sibiria> that is, your mount points (/, /usr, /home and so on) are distinct FILE SYSTEMS, not partitions
17:50 < caze> sadLarry: disklabel
17:51 < sibiria> the recommendation is about the file systems (aka disk labels)
17:51  * oldlaptop doesn't much like this way of putting it :|
17:52 < sibiria> so typically you'll end up having just one single primary partition on the disk, of "OpenBSD" type
17:53 < sibiria> and within, all your "partitions" for openbsd will live
17:53 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD has its own partition table, called a disklabel. The outer MBR or GPT partition table you generally have on an i386 or amd64 system doesn't do very much, generally, other than make sure the disk makes sense to i386/amd64 firmware. ("BIOS" or EFI)
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17:55 < oldlaptop> It would be wise to read the appropriate portion of the FAQ at some point (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html), but you don't need to worry about all this at the moment.
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18:00 < riceandbeans> Question...
18:01 < riceandbeans> If you had an app that you were building that needed to have secrets in order to communicate with something, how would you store such secrets for the app to access?
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18:03 < sibiria> separately from the application, with appropriate ownership/permission, whether encrypted or unencrypted private keys, whether hashed password or plaintext
18:04 < sibiria> system-wide keychain is another (common) choice, but complicates things
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18:06 < riceandbeans> But a systemwide keychain would need me to auth to that wouldn't it?
18:06 < Lucas6023> riceandbeans: althought I'd love to discuss about it, I think it's a bit off-topic for the channel
18:06 < sibiria> riceandbeans: yeah, commonly done when you log in
18:07 < riceandbeans> Lucas6023: I'm up for a /query if you are.
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18:07 < oldlaptop> If the secrets need to be accessible at rest without human intervention, you're just kind of stuck with that.
18:07 < caze> riceandbeans: Store the encrypted form only.
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18:15 < olk> is there an lsblk alternative in openbsd?
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18:15 < Lucas6023> this is quite some timing. There is a lsblk being proposed in ports@.
18:16 < olk> huh, nice
18:16 < olk> can you send a link?
18:16 < Lucas6023> nope
18:16 < Lucas6023> go into marc.info, select openbsd-ports, search for lsblk
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18:20 < olk> got it, thanks
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18:27 < oldlaptop> olk: You may find the hw.disknames sysctl contains what you want, possibly
18:27 < oldlaptop> if it doesn't, `disklabel [diskname]` (for some diskname you found in hw.disknames) might
18:27 < olk> oldlaptop: not really. lsblk shows partitions
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18:34 < seninha> hi, anyone here has heirloom-doctools installed? i have not updated it but after a sysupgrade it is segfaulting. I also tried to build it from the ports, but it still segfaults.
18:35 < seninha> PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/heirloom-doctools/bin:/usr/local/heirloom-doctools/bin printf 'hi\n' | troff -ms | dpost
18:35 < seninha> oops, wrong window
18:36 < seninha> basically, dpost can not find fonts
18:36 < seninha> this sample command triggers the error: printf 'hi\n' | troff -ms | dpost
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18:40 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/works-ok.txt
18:41 < seninha> hmm
18:41 < seninha> i am running on snapshots, and it happened after the last sysupgrade -s
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18:45 < seninha> https://ttm.sh/BF_.txt
18:45 < olk> interesting indeed
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18:54 < olk> can I disable login as root?
18:54 < Tekk> Set its login shell to /sbin/nologin
18:55 < Tekk> Just be sure you know what you're doing; that could make recovery hard in a pinch
18:55 < seninha> any idea what can do to debug dpost?
18:57 < olk> Tekk: I understand. I just want to have one attack vector less. if I setup doas, is it safe to have /sbin/nologin as root's shell and/or disable root password?
18:57 < xtile> Wouldn't setting up doas increase the attack vectors rather than reduce them? :P
18:57 < Tekk> olk: What attacks are you concerned about?
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19:00 < olk> well, this might sound silly, but I have two complicated passwords memorised, with first one I will encrypt the drive and second one I'll use as my non-root user's password. I just don't want to memorise one more password :)
19:00 < olk> *memorize
19:00 < Tekk> Just don't log in as root then?
19:02 < olk> what about root password? can't I just disable the root user and password for it?
19:03 < Tekk> I mean you can, but if you have root access disabled via ssh and the root password is decent, just forgetting the root pw ought to be about equivalent to disabling login
19:03 < Tekk> And I don't know if disabling login might cause problems. Disabling root is weird and I don't imagine it's a well-tested path
19:03 < Bradipo> Just don't allow root login remotely except with SSH keys.  I think that's the default during install.
19:04 < olk> is it safe to set a weak password for root and disable root login via ssh then if I have FDE?
19:04 < Tekk> FDE has nothing to do with root logins
19:05 < Bradipo> Why would you set a weak password?
19:05 < Tekk> FDE doe nothing while the system is on
19:05 < Tekk> does nothing*
19:05 < olk> Bradipo: as I said earlier: I just don't want to memorize one more password besides the ones for FDE and my main user
19:06 < seninha> erm... i just realized i groff was installed on this machine and its troff is used before heirloom's. Piping groff's troff into heirloom's dpost is the root of the problem.
19:06 < seninha> sorry about the noise
19:07 < CosmicDJ> olk: password managers? make root a break glass account?
19:08 < olk> "break glass account"?
19:08 < seninha> The root of the problem was that i edited my ~/.profile yesterday and changed the order of $PATH
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19:09 < Bradipo> Yeah, lame security industry marketing terminology.
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19:09 < CosmicDJ> password is stored externally and monitoring sends out an alarm when account is used for login
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19:10 < olk> I feel like this is being overcomplicated, no?
19:10 < xtile> You're overcomplicating things.
19:10 < xtile> The easy solution is just making a password for root. :P
19:11 < xtile> Recombine your two pre-existing passwords if you don't want an entirely new one.
19:11 < olk> maybe, yeah
19:11 < Bradipo> Well, you can completely discard the password for root.  See man 5 passwd: Similarly, login accounts not allowing password authentication but allowing other authentication methods, for example public key authentication, conventionally have 13 asterisks in the password field.
19:12 < Bradipo> Just be prepared to deal with the consequences.
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19:13 < Bradipo> Which if you're using the default /etc/ttys may be of little consequence. :-)
19:13 < olk> yeah, I think I should memorize a third strong password :)
19:13 < olk> thanks for explaining though
19:14 < Bradipo> Maybe, maybe not.  Depends on your need.  I don't think there is anything that *requires* root to have a working password.
19:14 < Bradipo> Unless you want to login on the console...
19:15 < CosmicDJ> there's login_yubikey too if you want 2FA
19:15 < olk> I don't. I think doas is reliable enough for me not to ever login as root
19:15 < Bradipo> Then try it.  See what happens.
19:16 < CosmicDJ> olk: system breaks, filesystem corruption, next reboot you're in single-user mode and it's asking for the root password...
19:16 < olk> oh.
19:16 < Bradipo> As I said, the default install doesn't prompt for root password.
19:16 < olk> forgot about BSD's single-user mode
19:16 < CosmicDJ> (depending on your /etc/ttys config)
19:17 < Bradipo> Exactly what I said.
19:17 < Lucas6023> olk: instead of switching the root shell to /sbin/nologin, you can `vipw` and replace the hashed password for root with 13 *s
19:18 < Lucas6023> that will disable "terminal" login for root, but you'll still be able to run as the root user with certain commands
19:18 < Lucas6023> like `su -l` or `ssh`
19:19 < olk> if I do that, how do I login as root in a single-user mode?
19:19 < Lucas6023> you don't login as root
19:19 < Lucas6023> it's already "loged in"
19:19 < Bradipo> Typically single-user mode just gives you a shell.
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19:19 < Lucas6023> ^
19:20 < Lucas6023> also, my unsolicited opinion is that, if you're already surrounded with this much doubts, then you should probably not disable root login yet
19:20 < Lucas6023> try to get more close with the system first
19:21 < olk> yeah, thanks for advice. I will do that for now
19:22 < Lucas6023> more familiar, not more close
19:22 < Lucas6023> brain is tired and can't English properly
19:22 < olk> :D
19:22 < thrig> and be sure to change the root shell to a custom shell, and forget to recompile it on the next update
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19:23 < Bradipo> I don't think anyone is suggesting disabling root.
19:23 < Bradipo> Setting the password to 13 asterisks is hardly "disabling" the account.
19:23 < thrig> all I see are Hunter2s
19:24 < Bradipo> Setting the shell to /sbin/nologin should definitely be avoided though.
19:24 < Lucas6023> 18:54 < olk> can I disable login as root?
19:24 < Lucas6023> Bradipo: that's how it started
19:24 < Bradipo> Right, that's a question, not a *suggestion*.
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19:25 < Bradipo> The suggestions have been to steer away from disabling the login.
19:25 < Lucas6023> well, ngl. I didn't read most of the messages.
19:26 < Lucas6023> I'll quietly go back to the shadows
19:26 < Bradipo> Fair enough.
19:28 < opv> i'm getting "Resource temporarily unavailable" from different backends of a relayd. I've already set the socket buffer to 65536, what else can i do to alleviate this? thank you
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21:48 < sadLarry> sysupgrade -s -> pkg_add -u -> pkg_delete -a is the upgrade procedure?
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21:49 < oldlaptop> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade73.html is the upgrade procedure
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22:07 < sadLarry> Thanks. I lost my shell history in the upgrade
22:07 < Bradipo> You shouldn't.
22:08 < Bradipo> Unless this was the one upgrade that switched history file formats.
22:08 < sibiria> default profile does not save history
22:08 < pardis> or unless you haven't set HISTFILE, in which case you lose your shell history upon termination of any shell
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22:08 < pardis> upgrading the system would cause your shell to terminate as a side effect
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22:11 < sadLarry> This is my first time with ksh
22:13 < sadLarry> Hmm, its not storing history
22:13 < sadLarry> pardis, i'll look into it
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