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00:32 < Tekk> Oops
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10:20 < Xeroine> I found many recommendations for what to set TERM to to get colors in the console but I don't understand which one is like the recommended one so there aren't issues in the future.
10:20 < Xeroine> I think it should be set to something the wscons driver framework supports, like something that has escape codes that are handled by something in wscons and something that can properly be displayed using wsdisplay's underlying device driver, lcd, vga and so on, right?
10:22 < Xeroine> Also https://man.openbsd.org/wscons.4 has that one paragraph that says there's not termcap entries for wscons itself but "instead “terminal emulation” is assigned to each virtual screen when the screen is created". I don't really understand how that works or differs.
10:24 < Xeroine> vt220 isn't mentioned there either but it's the default for me according to TERM
10:24 < Xeroine> vt220 emulation mode*
10:24 < CosmicDJ> Xeroine: what terminal are we talking about? plain-text console login? ssh connection (from where), xterm or smth else?
10:24 < Xeroine> CosmicDJ: yeah console
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10:25 < Xeroine> no xorg terminal emulator, no ssh, no tmux, etc.
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10:27 < sibiria> xterm-256color is pretty universal, though i don't know how far that will get you on the console. works just fine with xterm
10:27 < Xeroine> I already tried a few TERM values and they show colors. I just don't know which one comes closest to what the drivers support I guess so there aren't any issues in the future.
10:28 < Xeroine> sibiria: there was some post about issues with it in console on htop, I haven't tried it though in htop
10:28 < sibiria> easy enough to try:  export TERM=xterm-256color; printf "\033[32mblargh\033[0m\n"
10:29 < sibiria> should give something else than black/white text
10:29 < Xeroine> no I mean colors worked, just the layout of text was messed up
10:29 < Xeroine> I'll try it I guess
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10:32 < sibiria> sorry, i have no better advice. i never really use the console other than when i'm forced
10:33 < Xeroine> no worries, I guess I'll use it for now unless there are issues
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10:39 < CosmicDJ> http://ports.su/sysutils/colorls "This means you should set your TERM to "wsvt25" on the wscons(4) console [...]"
10:40 < CosmicDJ> there's also a 256colors2.pl test script at https://www.robmeerman.co.uk/unix/256colours
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10:42 < solzao> Hello I have been reading openbsd source as C practice. Is there some other codebase related to openbsd containing sh/ksh scripts?
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10:45 < solzao> I've been through the man page of course, but id like to see something more pragmatic
10:46 < Xeroine> CosmicDJ: yeah I knew about that one too, it's what I meant by "I found many recommendations"
10:47 < Xeroine> I guess maybe it's better to use that one instead of xterm-256color since the xterm one is intended for the xterm terminal emulator
10:47 < pardis> rc, syspatch and sysupgrade are written in ksh
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10:47 < pardis> as is the installer
10:47 < pardis> (which is in /usr/src/distrib)
10:48 < solzao> pardis: ah ty ty ill look it up 
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10:53 < solzao> pardis: sysupgrade.sh is exactly the kind of code i was looking for! ty for the help
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13:29 < seninha> hi, i cannot ssh into another host because I changed the login shell on that host with another shell that happens to not be working (i f'd up root's login shell on a host with only root as login-able user). Can ssh somehow run a command directly without using the login shell?
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13:32 < BadCoderFinger> seninha: ssh host "/path/to/shell"
13:33 < BadCoderFinger> "/bin/ksh" is probably a good choice.
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13:37 < seninha> BadCoderFinger: it calls /path/to/shell via user's login shell
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13:38 < BadCoderFinger> In that case, you'll need the console.
13:39 < seninha> erm
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13:39 < seninha> ok, thanks
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13:41 < BadCoderFinger> It's probably never a good idea to change the root shell, sometimes scripts make assumptions, and if it's changed to something that has a different syntax, things will break.
13:42 < sibiria> never change root shell. never login remotely as root. words to live by
13:42 < BadCoderFinger> Is this remote, like a vps?
13:42 < PyR3X> changing the root shell from /bin/sh to /bin/ksh is a bad idea?
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13:45 < pardis> /bin/ksh is the default root shell, so if you changed it to /bin/sh then changing it back to /bin/ksh is probably a fairly good idea
13:45 < sibiria> root's default shell is ksh. never mess with any of root's defaults unless absolutely necessary. if you need e.g. bash, just type bash and press enter
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13:54 < seninha> BadCoderFinger: nope, it's an embedded arm device running linux, the machine i'm ssh'ing from is OpenBSD
13:55 < seninha> i just found out it has another user, so I ssh'ed into that user, and ran "su -c /bin/bash root"
13:55 < BadCoderFinger> seninha:  Very cool!
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14:12 < acidfoo> anyone tried matterhorn (mattermost console client) on OpenBSD ? just curious if it works
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14:16 < thrig> build.sh wants bash installed, eh, not worth it 
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14:45 < eea> bash on openbsd??? no thanks :)
14:49 < seninha> the only reaason i prefer ksh over bash is that ^W clear words delimited by punctuation: on ksh "/faa/fee/foo^W" deletes "foo", on bash it deletes the whole path
14:49 < pardis> you can configure that in bash
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14:50 < pardis> add these two lines to /etc/inputrc:
14:50 < pardis> set bind-tty-special-chars off
14:50 < pardis> C-w: backward-kill-word
14:50 < pardis> I do that on all my Linux systems
14:50 < xse> aww fzf installed bash as run dependency
14:50 < oldlaptop> (my voidlinux systems just get loksh)
14:51 < oldlaptop> not sure any others have openbsd ksh, though mksh seems common
14:51 < pardis> my only Void system is my work laptop, where the convenience of being able to share shell commands with colleagues trumps personal shell preference
14:52 < Bradipo> I have in ~/.inputrc: set editing-mode vi
14:52 < oldlaptop> xse: you almost surely have packages installed with far *bigger* dependency trees, including far *bigger* things (and likely nastier things) than bash :|
14:52 < Bradipo> What does bind-tty-special-chars off do?
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14:53 < pardis> it allows you to rebind ^W by turning off magic autobinding
14:54 < pardis> see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23349325/inputrc-override-controlw
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14:55 < pardis> note that readline's backward-kill-word still isn't *quite* the same as ksh's ^W behaviour, but it's a very close approximation
14:55 < pardis> I don't remember for exactly which cases it differs
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14:56 < xse> oldlaptop: likely :p
14:57 < Bradipo> I tried: man inputrc, apropos inputrc, whatis inputrc...
14:57 < oldlaptop> readline(3) is probably the manual you want
14:57 < pardis> I don't usually bother looking at manuals for GNU software
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14:58 < pardis> on the rare occasion there is something useful in the manual, Google will usually get me there anyway
14:58 < oldlaptop> in this case it's reasonably useful
14:58 < Bradipo> I wonder just what that I use might actually care to read inputrc...
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14:58  * oldlaptop would go so far as to say it approaches openbsd standards
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14:59 < thrig> sqlite3? had to put "no, use vi keys" into .inputrc for some reason
14:59 < uwharrie> anything linked to readline
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15:01 < oldlaptop> as I read this stuff, https://man.openbsd.org/editrc.5 should be the equivalent for most openbsd things (which will be linked to libedit, not readline)
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15:03 < Bradipo> Ahh, yes, I had stumbled upon editrc once before, but forgot about it.
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15:20 < captnemo> Is anyone else having issues with wireguard on the latest snapshot?
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15:42 < jordanreger> hey again, i was in here a few days ago asking about user directories with httpd - i'm now just trying to symlink a user'
15:43 < quinq> ln -s
15:45 < jordanreger> s public_html folder into /var/www/{project directory}, but it seems i'm doing it wrong. obviously i want to be able to create the public_html directory on the user's side, and then symlink it to where httpd is chrooted. i've tried doing ln -s {user directory} {/var/www/...} but that doesn't seem to work
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15:45 < quinq> jordanreger, doesn't work how?
15:46 < eea> afaik, httpd can not follow symlinks out of chroot like that
15:46 < pardis> if you create a symlink in /var/www pointing into /home, then it will point into /var/www/home when something chrooted to /var/www accesses it
15:47 < pardis> it's nothing to do with httpd being able to follow symlinks or not
15:47 < pardis> this is how chroots work
15:47 < eea> ^
15:47 < jordanreger> it's not serving it - when i visit the path that it *should* be at, it gives me a 404. however, when i did the file path orders backwards, it showed me the directory auto indexed
15:47 < jordanreger> ah, so i *do* need to create the symlink in /var/www
15:47 < jordanreger> gotcha
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15:50 < pardis> creating a symlink in /var/www is what you're doing now
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15:53 < jordanreger> so should i do ln -s /home/{user}/public_html /var/www/... or the other way around
15:55 < CosmicDJ> jordanreger: as others have said already, those symlinks won't work when httpd is chroot'ed
15:55 < phy1729> As far as httpd is concerned after the chroot, /var/www is /, so any symlink would point to some subdirectory of /var/www
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15:57 < jordanreger> got it. so is there any real way to do per-user directories with httpd then
15:58 < thrig> ln -s /var/www/blah/blah/user ~/user/htdocs
15:58 < eea> i have /var/www/html/site{1..3}
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19:12 < casaca> i think you meant to say: /home/... linked to /var/www/... or am i just adding to the confusion? :D
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19:13 < opv> I want to set up a site-to-site VPN between a device on my desk, NATted behind the home router, and a VPS. I want to use it to send connections from the VPS to the device on my desk. Why should I choose WGuard over IPSec, or IPSec over Wguard? Thank you
19:14 < IcePic> wireguard is great for nat'ed connections and probably 2x faster than ipsec
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19:19 < thrig> and then there's configuration complexity
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19:22 < phy1729> opv: wireguard I setup in an evening. ipsec I read the RFCs and still couldn't get working (granted the other end was an android phone)
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19:43 < noober332> hello, I have an openbsd/ksh scripting question... I have a script containing $var_1 and $var_2 ... I'm trying to do this, which is probably stupid because it doesn't seem to work: var_3=$($var_1 / $var_2 | bc -l -e 'scale = 2') ... what should I be doing instead? I get an error trying to echo $var_3.
19:45 < uwharrie> noober332: v3=$(echo "$v1 / $v2" | bc...)
19:45 < phy1729> Presumably $var_1 isn't a command, perhaps you want   printf '%s\n' "$var_1 / $var_2" | ...
19:45 < thrig> or to ditch the shell and write it in a language with better math support
19:45 < uwharrie> nothing specific to OpenBSD or ksh
19:46 < noober332> thanks phy I will look into that. Sorry, I was thinking it had something to do with obsd's sh/ksh with regard to how to assign vars
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19:47 < uwharrie> no, this is basic bourne shell syntax
19:48 < noober332> thanks
19:51 < noober332> my handle is noober for a reason
19:51 < noober332> hehe
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21:05 < riceandbeans> does this seem high to you guys?
21:05 < riceandbeans> 44429 _pflogd    4    0  772K 1728K sleep/1   bpf      65:49  6.25% pflogd
21:08 < CosmicDJ> riceandbeans: PID? RAM usage? CPU time? CPU usage right "now"?
21:08 < riceandbeans> The CPU usage for pflogd
21:08 < riceandbeans> It's bouncing between 5% and 10%
21:09 < riceandbeans> Just...feels like that's kinda high to me
21:09 < CosmicDJ> riceandbeans: depends on your CPU and pf.conf (lot's of logging?)
21:09 < riceandbeans> Lots of logging...also I have a cron every minute that runs multiple pfctl commands....
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21:10 < riceandbeans> I guess maybe that's it...but still seems kinda...spikey
21:11 < riceandbeans> My pflog rotates daily and the gzipped compressed ones average about 30MB
21:12 < riceandbeans> Home network
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21:12 < riceandbeans> Maybe it's the kids.
21:13 < riceandbeans> When they act up I drop their packets but I log everything I drop/block
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21:20 < sibiria> you can disable pflogd if you don't really need to perform auditing on the traffic
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21:21 < sibiria> it's kind of like keeping a diary over when neighbors and the mailman walks by outside your door. it's almost never useful
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21:37 < sibiria> anyone who ever supplanted syslogd with rsyslog?
21:37 < sibiria> ran into any caveats?
21:48 < meena0> sibiria: what do you mean with supplanted?
21:48 < meena0> (i generally find it easier to replace one syslog daemon with another)
21:48 < sibiria> it means to replace with something better suited
21:49 < sibiria> openbsd is very log-chatty. i'm looking at a way to buffer and stagger log writes
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21:49 < sibiria> rsyslog has a handful of options for that
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