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00:36 < hussein1> in the past when I have had issues building a large rust project it was running into a limit in limits.conf
00:36 < hussein1> login.conf*
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04:03 < SusanTheNerd> Has anyone managed to run spotify? I mean the offical app
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04:03 < SusanTheNerd> because alternative ones don't support downloading for offilne listening
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04:22 < brynet> SusanTheNerd: It's a native application for Windows/macOS, so no, not likely.
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04:51 < SusanTheNerd> brynet: spotify is electron based
04:51 < SusanTheNerd> and also works on linux so is not just for windows/macos
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04:56 < brynet> SusanTheNerd: It's not electron, but even if it was, the OpenBSD electron port was never finished and was removed.
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05:00 < brynet> SusanTheNerd: It's a closed source native application using an embedded chromium fork: https://www.spotify.com/ca-en/opensource/
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05:15 < SusanTheNerd> brynet: so almost the same thing as electron
05:15 < SusanTheNerd> still thank you for the information
05:15 < SusanTheNerd> would it be possible to run it in vmd?
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05:53 < IcePic> SusanTheNerd: I think people run spotify in vmd, using one of the smaller linux dists, yes.
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05:57 < SusanTheNerd> and how would I pass back audio?
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08:21 < bob_x2> im thinking about implementing some datastorage by using filesystem. I do plan to keep the data in an empty files. and the data iself will be kept in filename. I plan to use a listing directory syscall to traverse the data. most of the time I do need to traverse whole list. I do not want to sort it anyhow. I do think this solution will be very portable and efficient. Maybe Im wrong
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08:25 < IcePic> why would you call it efficient?
08:25 < IcePic> every filename can only be so long, and the empty file will eat inode space making the overhead on the data larger than if you stored the data in the file contents instead
08:26 < bob_x2> interesting
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08:27 < bob_x2> and yes. one file would be efficient if I block access anyway and to a file in case data in file and to a directory for kepping safe concurrency
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08:28 < bob_x2> well. one file I should think about it. I do only need to read one file and filesystem itself will help me to cache the data 
08:28 < IcePic> that last sentence was hard to understand
08:28 < IcePic> the one about concurrency, that is
08:28 < bob_x2> yeah. I will have a concurrent writing to this file/directory
08:28 < bob_x2> and writing into a directory even do not need to block other data
08:29 < bob_x2> but writing to a file do need to block other writing data
08:29 < bob_x2> that was my original thought and reason to use filesystem I suppose
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08:29 < IcePic> this sounds a bit like an XY problem, where you have settled for a solution but not really decided or at least described what the problem is, for which this is a solution
08:31 < bob_x2> it's just primitive database where aggregated data is needed for most recent data and concurrent writing is a thing
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08:41 < quinq> 10:28:57  bob_x2$ and writing into a directory even do not need to block other data
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08:41 < quinq> Doesn't it?
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08:42 < bob_x2> quinq: true . writing is easy putting a file into a folder
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09:17 < bob_x2> and sometimes I do need to remove the item from database
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11:26 < arpeas> i've been having this issue for the last couple of months: about half the times i reboot my machine, it freezes at "pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kdb slot)"
11:26 < arpeas> the machine is a thinkpad t430
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11:36 < arpeas> and forgot to mention, i'm running on #1237
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15:48 < chr0nix> hi everyone, i've just set up a 3 device software raid using 1C and 3x 4TB drives ... my resulting capacity is 2TB is this normal?
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15:54 < chr0nix> i don't have any data there and this is my first multi-disk raid setup with OpenBSD 
15:55 < uwharrie> you'd need to post the output of fdisk, disklabel, and bioctl for anyone to have an idea of what you're seeing
15:57 < chr0nix> @uwharrie - any preferred pastebin?
15:58 < uwharrie> there's one in the topic that I believe the channel prefers
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15:59 < thrig> the one without javascript or wasm or flash
15:59 < chr0nix> XD
15:59 < chr0nix> yeah we don't want any of that crap
16:02 < chr0nix> ok i'll be back
16:03 < chr0nix> i'm gonna go eat but when i get back i will post all this stuff
16:03  * thrig writes stuff in logbook waiting for the terminator to drive in
16:03 < chr0nix> i just want to make sure that i've done it correctly *before* putting any important data there ( like my backups and shit )
16:04 < chr0nix> and obviously i don't want to waste space where possible
16:04 < chr0nix> just seems like i may have done something wrong OR it works differently than i would have guessed 
16:05 < chr0nix> but just a quick glance at one of the member devices ( they all look the same too ) and i see that only half capacity is being used
16:05 < chr0nix> #                size           offset  fstype [fsize bsize   cpg]
16:05 < chr0nix>   a:       4294852544              256    RAID                    
16:05 < chr0nix>   c:       7814037168                0  unused               
16:06 < chr0nix> ok i'll be back
16:06 < chr0nix> ;)
16:06 < thrig> echo 4294852544; perl -E 'say 2**32'
16:06 < chr0nix> thanks and ttyl
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19:32 < jordanreger> hey there, i set up an smtpd server and it works great for receiving emails and sending emails locally, but not sending emails externally. i have "action 'outbound' relay" in my smtpd.conf file but i'm not receiving the emails at the external address.
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19:34 < sibiria> have you verified by looking at the logs that the "outbound" action for these e-mails is actually happening?
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19:34 < thrig> outbound thanks to spammers needs a lot of stars to align just right to work
19:34 < sibiria> if yes, the rest of the checklist is: FCrDNS, SPF, DKIM (optional), OK'd DMARC
19:35 < thrig> no ISP firewall also helps
19:35 < sibiria> that too. very helpful
19:36 < jordanreger> where is the default mail log
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19:36 < sibiria> it's /var/log/maillog
19:37 < jordanreger> ah sweet thanks
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19:37 < jordanreger> oh interesting, it says connection timeout
19:38 < thrig> you can try telnet somehost 25 but it's probably a firewall at your ISP
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19:38 < thrig> EHLO nurse.example.com etc etc etc
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19:40 < jordanreger> i'm hosting on vultr, is this a known issue with them
19:40 < thrig> yes, you have to email them and convince them you're not a spammer
19:40 < thrig> or open a support ticket thingy something
19:41 < jordanreger> hahaha got it
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19:41 < thrig> (I used my sysadmin charm, somehow they opened up the port for my host)
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19:42 < jordanreger> impressive lol, i'll try my luck
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19:42 < sibiria> Subject: open up port 25 or so help me god i'll e-mail random perl oneliners all day
19:42 < thrig> I can read those quite fine
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19:46 < chr0nix> i'm back ... and thinking about just not using 1C but rather raid5
19:47 < thrig> and maybe a partition table that supports things beyond 2**32
19:47 < sibiria> three disks in raid5 will end up slower than two disks in raid1
19:47 < chr0nix> yes this was my problem
19:48 < sibiria> every disk you add to openbsd's softraid drops performance, because it doesn't parallelize reads/writes
19:48 < sibiria> enjoy!
19:48 < chr0nix> @sibiria - speed isn't too much of an issue just gonna be for home so backups of laptops, photos, configs, etc.  nothing requiring speed
19:49 < sibiria> if you need redundancy for that storage, RAID1 with two disks is the least slowest option with openbsd
19:49 < chr0nix> @sibiria - well i decided to go all OpenBSD on everything because I got tired of slop
19:49 < chr0nix> i will experiment
19:50 < chr0nix> does iostat give a good idea of performance on OpenBSD?
19:51 < sibiria> you can time reads with dd. writes are a bit harder to measure accurately even when dding from dev-zero, but it will give you a decent hint
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19:53 < chr0nix> ok i'll test and see what works best for my setup
19:55 < chr0nix> thanks btw
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19:56 < chr0nix> my favorite file system is probably zfs ... but i've decided to go 100% openbsd
19:57 < thrig> don't get fancy fs if you do that
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19:58 < xtile> There are BSDs with ZFS if you want ZFS, chr0nix.
19:58 < thedaemon> Why not both? chr0nix 
19:59 < chr0nix> like FreeBSD and I assume NetBSD has some support for it
19:59 < chr0nix> but i just really like OpenBSD
20:00 < cpet> Who doesn't 
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20:01 < thrig> slashdot
20:01 < cpet> The fact that I can send old laptop patches on irc rather than doing that bugzilla shit is nice too
20:01 < thedaemon> https://wiki.netbsd.org/zfs/
20:01 < thedaemon> looks like it has some zfs support
20:02 < cpet> It doesn't have root ability or something similar to rootonzfs on freebsd
20:02 < chr0nix> i don't need to boot from zfs
20:02 < cpet> But I find netbsd weird 
20:02 < thedaemon> I haven't used it on NetBSD, just FreeBSD.
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20:03 < chr0nix> well OpenBSD just feels right
20:03 < thedaemon> honestly only installed NetBSD on a VM once :( I feel like it's the step child that doesn't get enough attention in the BSD world
20:03 < cpet> Yeah pretty much hah 
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20:04 < chr0nix> i never really liked FreeBSD having everything more or less in a single config file, i really really don't like csh or tcsh ( whatever it uses ) and it just feels a bit sloppy compared to OpenBSD
20:05 < thrig> exec ksh
20:05 < chr0nix> then there's HardenedBS
20:05 < chr0nix> yes
20:05 < chr0nix> i prefer ksh93 ... speaking of which which ksh do we have in OpenBSD
20:05 < thrig> pdsomething modified
20:06 < cpet> I don't like freebsd cause channel is full of whiney children the tos is a joke and the fact that they removed drm and made them ports 
20:06 < chr0nix> pdksh or something like this
20:06 < chr0nix> ?
20:06 < sibiria> pdksh with modifications
20:06 < cpet> Think that's the one 
20:06 < thrig> there is a ksh93 in ports
20:06 < chr0nix> @cpet hahahaha 
20:06 < uwharrie> "This shell is based on the public domain 7th edition Bourne shell clone by Charles Forsyth and parts of the BRL"
20:07 < chr0nix> nice
20:07 < chr0nix> yeah i've never had any problems with the stock OpenBSD ksh just does what it should
20:07 < phy1729> Please keep things topical to OpenBSD and avoid shitting on other projects.
20:07 < thedaemon> I consider all shells the same. 
20:07  * thedaemon ducks
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20:07 < thrig> pkill -HUP thedaemon
20:07 < cpet> It runs ls so yeah 
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20:08 < sibiria> gives a prompt, and if you press keys it goes brrr
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20:08 < uwharrie> some of them even have file name completion!
20:08 < thedaemon> I am not a shell wizard though. I only pipe 1 program deep
20:08 < thedaemon> file name completion is my jam
20:08 < chr0nix> @phy1729 sorry ... it's probably my fault
20:09 < thedaemon> thrig, ;)
20:09 < cpet> chr0nix: don't apologize it's true 
20:09 < cpet> Heh
20:09 < chr0nix> :D
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20:09 < chr0nix> OpenBSD > all other projects
20:09 < cpet> Now your just sucking up 
20:10 < thedaemon> I forget how to turn on shell history in default ksh. I don't like the idea of not having a huge history to search.
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20:10 < cpet> Each bsd has its place I've used netbsd on many weird hw
20:10 < pardis> if only it had a man page
20:10 < thedaemon> BSD 4.4 > all
20:10 < thedaemon> if only ;)
20:10 < cpet> Lite
20:10 < thedaemon> I'm at work on Windows tho
20:10 < mybalzitch> I like my 4.4 bsd full fat
20:11 < cpet> unix50 has a emu for bsd 2.x
20:11 < thedaemon> how old is bsd 2.x lol
20:11 < cpet> If you want some nostalgia 
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20:11 < cpet> Pretty old but still fun to run 
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20:12 < chr0nix> yes i like nostalgia
20:13 < thedaemon> nostalgia is MS-DOS or Apple II for me. 
20:13 < thedaemon> I didn't use un*x till late 90s
20:13 < chr0nix> made one of these not too long ago: https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11
20:13 < thedaemon> oh sick, those look so gorgeous
20:14 < cpet> unix50.com
20:14 < cpet> Part of sdf org 
20:14 < chr0nix> yeah they're pretty cool 
20:14 < cpet> I run a OpenBsd VPS on there 
20:15 < chr0nix> @thedaemon - Oscar has all kinds of kits and they're quite fun putting together
20:15 < chr0nix> @cpet - looking
20:16 < chr0nix> that's cool 
20:16 < chr0nix> funny that i was born the year of the first UNIX release 
20:17 < cpet> I was 9 when I knew wtf bsd was 
20:18 < chr0nix> that's cool actually that you already got to see it at that age
20:19 < cpet> Freebsd turned 30 think netbsd started a few months after and then OpenBsd 
20:19 < brocashelm> my first time experiencing any unix-like system was 1998 or 1998; i was still a little kid and my brother had his own linux system (i don't remember if it was debian or red hat, but most likely debian as i remembered the desktop layout)
20:20 < cpet> My brother had a Slackware machine on 30 or so floppies 
20:20 < cpet> Never liked the Linux though 
20:21 < chr0nix> yeah the 2.4 series kernel days were golden
20:21 < chr0nix> i liked Gentoo / Funtoo
20:21 < brocashelm> linux back then was a lot closer to the bsd families i reckon
20:21 < chr0nix> i think Daniel Robbins did some nice things with Linux
20:21 < cpet> Changes too much for no reason 
20:21 < brocashelm> dbus wasn't even a concept IIRC
20:21 < cpet> I can use config files from old versions of OpenBsd and they still work except pf that requires some changes 
20:22 < cpet> Once the system boots up who cares 
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20:22 < chr0nix> pf is so nice to work with
20:22 < brocashelm> gnome was also more respected back then, wasn't it?
20:22 < brocashelm> i know it's one of the earliest desktop environments
20:22 < brocashelm> along with xfce and kde
20:23 < chr0nix> not sure ... i used to use enlightenment
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20:23 < brocashelm> as with red hat, not the same red hat as nowadays
20:23 < cpet> Opensnmpd is as well
20:23 < chr0nix> in fact enlightenment dr13 ( i think ) was one of the reasons i first installed linux
20:23 < cpet> Yeah it's a POS now 
20:23 < chr0nix> well i just don't care for systemd
20:24 < chr0nix> i used to work for red hat
20:24 < brocashelm> sad that a lot of "non-systemd" linux distros still contain it to some extent, for packages to "work"
20:24 < brocashelm> oh really
20:24 < chr0nix> yeah i've worked for va linux, red hat
20:24 < brocashelm> how far back? did you participate in that windows refund day event?
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20:25 < uwharrie> on-site?
20:25 < chr0nix> yeah
20:25 < brocashelm> mandriva was another one, wasn't it?
20:25 < brocashelm> linux distro
20:25 < chr0nix> yeah
20:26 < brocashelm> nowadays in linuxland, i just use debian/devuan or fiddle with something slackware-based; it's otherwise turned into a shiny-new-shit trend as with windows
20:27 < chr0nix> there's nothing wrong with anything so long as it does what you need it to do
20:29 < chr0nix> i read that systemd has around 1.2 million lines of code
20:29 < chr0nix> quite a lot for an init system
20:29 < thrig> redhat makes bank on service contracts, and you don't get those from simple code
20:29 < chr0nix> you know rc-init or runit makes sense even normal init
20:30 < chr0nix> sysvinit
20:30 < hussein1> systemd also includes a lot of optional components so having systemd != having a 1.2MLoC attack surface
20:30 < chr0nix> yep they do and on training
20:30 < brocashelm> instead of sysvinit, i prefer to use runit
20:30 < chr0nix> that's why there are constantly some little but significant changes in the commands and stuff
20:30 < brocashelm> sysvinit is traditional for sure
20:30 < chr0nix> they want to keep people needing those certs
20:31 < brocashelm> i don't like systemd because it wants to OWN your system
20:31 < chr0nix> runit takes on the spirit of djb's daemontools ( i think it was called )
20:31 < brocashelm> why couldn't it just have been a simple pid1 process
20:31 < hussein1> because the author set out to do more? it doesn't make sense to ask how an inanimate piece of software has desires.
20:31 < brocashelm> but with things like elogind and udevd, are we really "free" of the systemd curse?
20:32 < chr0nix> @hussein1 - XD
20:32 < brocashelm> th-thanks, poettering
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20:32 < uwharrie> I'm not a fan of its design, but unless I have to touch it, it mostly stayed out of the way when I was doing Linux admin stuff
20:32 < chr0nix> there is no escaping it ... the problem is that some companies pretend to be all about the community
20:33 < chr0nix> and they have so many people in projects that have commit access
20:33 < brocashelm> the good news is openbsd doesn't seem interested in it when /sbin/init and rcctl just work
20:33 < chr0nix> but are being paid by said company
20:33 < brocashelm> same as with xenocara (x11) over wayland adoption
20:33 < chr0nix> @uwharrie - it's ok but it definitely took away our choice
20:33 < chr0nix> i love rcctl
20:34 < chr0nix> and xenocara seems to still support the old mga matrox that i've got in this box which i'll use as a workstation / nas
20:34 < chr0nix> i got a server that i was gonna put all my network infrastructure on ( vsphere with all openbsd )
20:35 < chr0nix> but it was too damned loud
20:35 < chr0nix> the fan was like a jet engine and i live in Europe ( have for 20 years ) so I ahve a small flat
20:35 < chr0nix> and i couldn't sleep with that shit on
20:35 < chr0nix> so i had to get a fanless box
20:36 < chr0nix> and now ( until i move which will hopefully be not too far away ) ... will use the loud box as a workstation / nas
20:36 < chr0nix> XD
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20:45 < chr0nix> something old but an interesting read:
20:45 < chr0nix> https://blog.farhan.codes/2018/06/25/linux-maintains-bugs-the-real-reason-ifconfig-on-linux-is-deprecated/
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20:47 < thedaemon> Enlightenment was amazing back in the day, so fast. Probably ran on my old RedHat
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20:47 < thedaemon> I too decied not to setup a 2U server in my house due to noise chr0nix 
20:48 < chr0nix> i can't sleep with the fan noise ... might have been able to when i younger but i find it irritating
20:48 < thrig> noise pollution bad
20:49 < thedaemon> I got to have a fan noise, just not that one XD
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20:49 < chr0nix> yeah XD
20:49 < thedaemon> else every darn little noise will wake me up. white noise
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20:49 < chr0nix> white noise can be good
20:49 < chr0nix> i live in prague and i usually sleep with the windows open in the summer
20:49 < chr0nix> so there's alway some background noise
20:50 < chr0nix> but just a bit
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20:50 < thedaemon> I cannot sleep with windows open in summer here
20:50 < thedaemon> too hot and humid :(
20:50 < thedaemon> I'm jealous
20:51 < chr0nix> yeah i'm originally from oklahoma so i get that we have pretty hot summers back home
20:51 < chr0nix> it's about 58f/14c right now
20:52 < thedaemon> oh I'm in Alabama...
20:52 < thrig> 49C here
20:52 < chr0nix> yeah Alabama gets humid ... i used to live out near Mobile ( in Biloxi, MS )
20:52 < chr0nix> hotter than hell
20:53 < chr0nix> 49C is hell
20:53 < thedaemon> 49C????
20:53 < thrig> hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0, duh
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20:53 < thedaemon> lol
20:53 < chr0nix> :D
20:53 < pardis> 49 coulombs is a big charge for one CPU
20:53 < chr0nix> i was like ... picturing pitch forks and shit
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20:54 < thedaemon> ha
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20:55 < thedaemon> I was living in Colorado, miss that weather
20:55 < thedaemon> even if it was technically hot, it wasn't humid, so wasn't really hot.
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20:56 < chr0nix> Colorado is also beautiful 
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20:57 < chr0nix> Piney river
20:57 < thedaemon> very, ok I'm out for now. have fun all
20:57 < chr0nix> ok ttyl
20:57 < thedaemon> you too
20:58 < chr0nix> i'm out too getting close to bed time over here
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21:30 < tercaL> Hello. Trying to compile sieve script file; sievec 10-rspamd.sieve, getting warning messages like; sievec(root): Debug: open(/proc/self/stat) failed: No such file or directory and sievec(root): Debug: open(/proc/self/io) failed: No such file or directory. Any clue?
21:31 < tercaL> What would "open(/proc/self/stat) failed: No such file or directory" tell us under OpenBSD?
21:31 < pardis> that OpenBSD is not Linux
21:31 < quinq> Maybe that it wasn't built for OpenBSD, there's no /proc
21:32 < tercaL> This is installed through pkg_add from OpenBSD packages, and the scripts seems -still- gets compiled fine. (there's the output). Should that be ignored, then?
21:33 < tercaL> There is no such message under OpenBSD 6.8, but I get it on OpenBSD 7.3.
21:33 < quinq> So maybe they put some linux-specific things in their sieve script between both
21:34 < quinq> What package is that about?
21:34 < tercaL> This is full output: https://i.ibb.co/6YpjScv/test.png
21:35 < tercaL> quinq: dovecot-pigeonhole-0.5.20v1
21:35 < quinq> Can you share some tex?
21:35 < quinq> t
21:35 < tercaL> quinq: Sure, how?
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21:36 < quinq> Through HTTP for example (gopher would work too), other means you can use too
21:36 < tercaL> By the way, the package from OpenBSD 6.8; dovecot-pigeonhole-0.5.11v1 doesn't produce such warning, as I said above.
21:36 < tercaL> older one
21:37 < tercaL> quinq: https://paste.sh/f4h7HlVI#_0vNDNgcicQIFRBBPby-MnuQ
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21:38 < quinq> I get “This is an encrypted paste site. Simply type or paste code here and share the URL.”, but no content
21:38 < quinq> I'm sorry, this seems to be too complex for me ^^
21:40 < jmcunx> try 'cat whatever | nc termbin.com 9999'  You can download the url via wget
21:40 < quinq> I don't see any trace of /proc/self/stat in pigeonhole soruces
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21:42 < tercaL> quinq: https://termbin.com/h02r
21:42 < tercaL> quinq: That's the package I mention about: https://ftp.spline.de/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/packages/amd64/dovecot-pigeonhole-0.5.20v1.tgz
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21:44 < quinq> I have it too
21:45 < quinq> I don't have a 10-rspamd.sieve though
21:45 < quinq> Where does that come from?
21:46 < tercaL> quinq: https://termbin.com/tyec
21:47 < tercaL> Could you try sievec 10-rspamd.sieve please?
21:47 < tercaL> executing "sievec 10-rspamd.sieve"
21:48 < quinq> I don't have those:
21:48 < quinq> sievec(root): Debug: sieve: Sieve imapsieve plugin for Pigeonhole version 0.5.20 (149edcf2) loaded
21:48 < quinq> sievec(root): Debug: sieve: Sieve Extprograms plugin for Pigeonhole version 0.5.20 (149edcf2) loaded
21:48 < quinq> Also my debug really starts with:
21:48 < quinq> sievec(root): Debug: sieve: Pigeonhole version 0.5.20 (149edcf2) initializing
21:49 < quinq> (tough with quinq instead of root)
21:49 < quinq> though
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21:51 < quinq> I have to get to bed
21:51 < quinq> But look into your local configuration, and maybe added plugins
21:51 < quinq> sievec itself seems fine
21:51 < thrig> looks like bedtime ain't happening.  echo echo bedtime | at bedtime
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21:52 < quinq> jaja, good luck
21:52 < tercaL> quinq: Thanks a lot for ideas, good night
21:52 < tercaL> will dig further into it
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22:38 < tercaL> quinq: After eliminating line by line, finally found the problem, that was the line in my dovecot.conf file causing that warning above:
22:38 < tercaL> mail_debug = yes
22:38 < tercaL> Perhaps that's a bug? Should that be reported?
22:40 < thrig> there may need to be a patch to remove any /proc stuff a port is doing
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23:29 < brocashelm> n4dir: are you still using lumina desktop (i think)? i'm thinking of giving it a try later today
23:29 < n4dir> oh, no. 
23:30 < n4dir> been a while i booted OpenBSD at all. Been busy with other things
23:30 < n4dir> but it really impressed me. 
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23:32 < brocashelm> no worries, i'll still give it a try
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23:34 < n4dir> i am quite sure you'll like it
23:34 < n4dir> though their website claims there is a deb (for example a deb), i couldn't find one. Else i'd use it
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23:43 < uuaaeeii> https://man.openbsd.org/cdio does this imply i can not write mp3 or flac to a CD-R in openbsd? I swear I had luck using a tool like cdw at one point. I have seen forum posts point to this " https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html " faq page in reference to writing to optical disks but i do not see it mentioned so i am unsure if it was linked by mistake or something changed with openbsd to move it. that 
23:43 < uuaaeeii> is what I get for trusting forum posts
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23:46 < oldlaptop> uuaaeeii: Well, audio CDs don't contain MP3 or FLAC audio, they contain uncompressed CDDA-format PCM audio
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23:47 < oldlaptop> If you want an audio CD, you'd need to convert your MP3 or FLAC to plain PCM first (which is what a fancier GUI or whatever has to do for you behind the scenes)
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23:47 < oldlaptop> If you want a CD-ROM with a bunch of MP3 or FLAC files on it (the former can actually be played by some devices, I doubt the latter can), that's just like any other CD-ROM
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23:48 < oldlaptop> (I believe you'd want mkhybrid(8) for that - which is IIRC what the build process uses to generate images)
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23:49 < uuaaeeii> ah! that is excellent to know. my misunderstanding. does openbsd provide a way to covert audio to plaim pcm? 
23:49 < oldlaptop> the FAQ used to mention cdio(8), which would be the other thing you want to read
23:49 < oldlaptop> presumably audio CDs don't feature in any questions that are frequently asked anymore
23:50 < uuaaeeii> makes sense
23:50 < rueda> cdio(1), and specifically "cdio tao ..."
23:50 < rueda> there's no tool in base for the audio conversion
23:50 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD doesn't ship MP3 decoders or FLAC decoders, but obviously all that stuff is in packages, e.g. https://openports.pl/path/audio/flac
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23:51 < oldlaptop> (I don't remember offhand whether https://openports.pl/path/audio/lame will *decode* files. It's not really an "educational tool", it's an MP3 encoder. The legal reason for that fiction is obsolete these days...)
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23:53 < oldlaptop> I don't know offhand if there are nice clicky GUI things in packages.
23:53 < oldlaptop> I bet https://github.com/dfaust/soundkonverter builds, though
23:54 < uuaaeeii> thanks old laptop
23:55 < uuaaeeii> err oldlaptop 
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