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ZZZzzz…] 06:29 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.30.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:32 -!- lum is now known as res0 06:33 -!- Jaywalker_ [~Jaywalker@209.33.126.194] has joined #openbsd 06:33 -!- Jaywalker [~Jaywalker@209.33.126.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:45 -!- tercaL [~tercaL@user/tercal] has joined #openbsd 06:49 -!- brynet [~brynet@brynet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:51 < SusanTheNerd> Any idea why would vmctl console debian-test return vmctl:console not found 06:51 < SusanTheNerd> debian-test is started 06:52 < tercaL> Hello, I could only able to create an SSL cert with EC 256 bits. Is this a good cipher list for an e-mail server, in that case? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/aTwBrfwG 06:52 < tercaL> I ask it because it seems I have "sha384" ciphers as well, while the certificate is ec-256, would that still work, or be unneeded? 06:57 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@219.85.135.247] has joined #openbsd 07:00 -!- Leopold [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/leopold] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 07:00 -!- dg [~dgl@gte.bodge.cloud] has quit [] 07:01 -!- Leopold [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/leopold] has joined #openbsd 07:02 -!- schillingklaus [~schilling@ip2504e22a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openbsd 07:02 < kodcode> anyone running OpenBSD on an OrangePI R1 Plus LTS? 07:04 < apotheon> An orange pie does not sound like a good dessert. 07:04 < IcePic> lots of C 07:04 < IcePic> vitamins 07:05 < apotheon> kodcode: No, I'm not. Sorry. 07:05 < CosmicDJ> tercaL: why would you restrict the list of ciphers for an email server? other (older) MTAs might not be able to connect to your server and deliver the mail you want 07:05 < kodcode> apotheon: I figured :) 07:05 -!- dg [~dgl@user/dg] has joined #openbsd 07:10 -!- tsadok [~weirdidio@cgi.galion.lib.oh.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:12 -!- solo2 [~solo@c-71-233-184-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:12 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@60.52.79.215] has joined #openbsd 07:14 -!- solo2 [~solo@c-71-233-184-6.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 07:14 -!- LW [~LW@i5E866B42.versanet.de] has joined #openbsd 07:15 -!- LW [~LW@i5E866B42.versanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 07:18 -!- telser [~quassel@user/telser] has quit [Server closed connection] 07:18 -!- telser [~quassel@user/telser] has joined #openbsd 07:21 < tercaL> CosmicDJ: You're right I think.. 07:21 < tercaL> that'd lead to bad side effects 07:22 < tercaL> hmm 07:25 -!- tsadok [~weirdidio@cgi.galion.lib.oh.us] has joined #openbsd 07:26 -!- Leopold [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/leopold] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31 -!- Leopold [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/leopold] has joined #openbsd 07:32 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@219.85.135.247] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Sorry didn't get it. 07:44 -!- format_c [~format_c@home.koeppe.rocks] has quit [Quit: format_c] 07:46 -!- adip [~adip@c145-69.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 07:47 < CosmicDJ> I'm running dovecot which allows only TLSv1.3 because and that's fine because I'm in control of the connecting clients (so restricting ciphers makes sense); I'm not in control who connects to port 25 on my mail server... 07:49 < renaud> if you restrict TLS to 1.3 on your smtp port, all that will happen is that clients which don't support 1.3 will just downgrade to plaintext. 07:49 < renaud> better have TLS 1.0 than plaintext in general 07:52 -!- gumnos [~gumnos@2600:1702:410:f440:ba70:f4ff:fe1e:1ef2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53 -!- gumnos [~gumnos@2600:1702:410:f440:ba70:f4ff:fe1e:1ef2] has joined #openbsd 07:54 -!- danilogondolfo [~danilogon@37.228.206.65] has joined #openbsd 07:58 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has joined #openbsd 08:00 -!- tjdaugaard [~tjdaugaar@nat-cgn9-185-107-12-178.static.kviknet.net] has joined #openbsd 08:01 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@2001-b011-4013-5a1f-dd21-ab90-650d-e937.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has joined #openbsd 08:06 -!- tetraodon [~irc@65.20.98.232] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:10 -!- engler [~engler@user/emilengler] has joined #openbsd 08:12 -!- adip [~adip@c145-69.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:12 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:13 -!- imega [~coma@89.206.80.49] has joined #openbsd 08:15 -!- Trigon [~reuben@c-73-20-48-77.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:18 -!- jshimada [~jshimada@user/jshimada] has joined #openbsd 08:27 -!- rebo [~Martin@h-98-128-174-229.A785.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 08:27 -!- drk [~drk@gateway/tor-sasl/drk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:28 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.171.threembb.co.uk] has joined #openbsd 08:29 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 08:30 -!- drk [~drk@gateway/tor-sasl/drk] has joined #openbsd 08:32 -!- format_c [~format_c@2a02:b98:f181:4094:f550:7488:2d5:5ffa] has joined #openbsd 08:39 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 08:42 -!- sliced [~sliced@81.15.241.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:43 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@2001-b011-4013-5a1f-dd21-ab90-650d-e937.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Even if great effort is made, there is no 100% guarantee that no part never will experience it 09:13 -!- frkzoid [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cf01-74e0-c97b-a117-9101-aac2.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13 -!- freakazoid332 [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cf01-74e0-c97b-a117-9101-aac2.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 09:14 -!- frkzoid [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cf01-74e0-c97b-a117-9101-aac2.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 09:14 < IcePic> I guess it also depends slightly on which kind of leaks one cares about 09:15 < cruncher> IcePic, sure, nothing is guaranteed, but still, having it is a rule or goal is more than half way. 09:16 < cruncher> im using excludively linux for a very long time, and im really on the verge to jump either to openbsd, or to gentoo to check/compile everything myself, but this option would be very time consuming. 09:16 -!- frkazoid333 [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cf01-74e0-c97b-a117-9101-aac2.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:18 -!- grobi [~grobi@user/grobi] has joined #openbsd 09:22 < IcePic> if bloat is a problem, then avoiding places where "I rewrote /bin/true in rust" is common will help. No matter how few leaks rust will have, the binaries are huge so you waste ram somewhere else there 09:24 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:24 < IcePic> some post showed that fedora 36 (or whichever version it was) now needed 1+G ram to just run "dnf update" when the lists have grown 09:24 < IcePic> so that is .. kind of bad. 09:25 < IcePic> people run on 1G rpi's and 512M VMs and suddenly need to enable a largish swap somewhere just so that the nightly dnf-update script doesn't kill the box. 09:26 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 09:27 -!- bsandro [~bsandro@user/bsandro] has joined #openbsd 09:27 -!- mpjc [~quassel@quassel.woboq.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 09:28 -!- fspax [~fspax@host-185-209-29-241.hosted-by-vdsina.ru] has joined #openbsd 09:33 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@2001-b011-4013-5a1f-dd21-ab90-650d-e937.dynamic-ip6.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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10:45 < brocashelm> it's really good 10:45 -!- moldorcoder7 [~moldorcod@192.145.81.23] has joined #openbsd 10:45 < n4dir> :-) indeed 10:48 -!- mlarkin [~mlarkin@047-036-074-225.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:50 -!- sysctl [~sysctl@88.215.76.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:50 -!- sysctl [~sysctl@88.215.76.86] has joined #openbsd 10:55 -!- mlarkin [~mlarkin@047-036-074-225.res.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 11:02 -!- n4dir [~user@i59F518D8.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05 -!- grobi [~grobi@user/grobi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:11 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has left #openbsd [] 11:17 -!- Leopold [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/leopold] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 11:18 -!- arcticdev [~arcticdev@77.222.166.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18 -!- arcticdev [~arcticdev@77.222.166.50] has joined #openbsd 11:19 -!- grobi [~grobi@user/grobi] has joined #openbsd 11:19 < SusanTheNerd> how can I force disable x11 at boot? 11:19 -!- mlarkin [~mlarkin@047-036-074-225.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20 < SusanTheNerd> I destoroyed one of my configs and now it is stuck on a black screen with a cursor and I can't switch to tty either 11:21 -!- mlarkin [~mlarkin@047-036-074-225.res.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 11:21 -!- Snaffu [~Snaffu@c-174-60-107-126.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 11:23 -!- Leopold [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/leopold] has joined #openbsd 11:23 < sibiria> SusanTheNerd: rcctl disable xenodm 11:24 < arpeas> SusanTheNerd, what platform are you on? you could boot from a (openbsd) pendrive, mount the / partition and manually change the config to something that works. 11:24 < SusanTheNerd> I don't have a working openbsd usb either 11:24 < arpeas> sibiria, they can't switch to a tty 11:24 < SusanTheNerd> and I have sshd disabled 11:24 < sibiria> you can just add "xenodm_flags=NO" to /etc/rc.conf.local once you get access 11:25 < SusanTheNerd> also I think I saw a can't reoder kernel error when force shuting it down 11:25 < arpeas> if you have another computer you can easily create it, SusanTheNerd 11:25 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@61-228-200-148.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #openbsd 11:25 < SusanTheNerd> I doon't have one at hand 11:26 -!- b50d [~b50d@62.96.54.30] has joined #openbsd 11:26 < SusanTheNerd> I could try from my linux phone but last time I had issues with it detecting my usb 11:26 < sibiria> does it boot at all? 11:26 < sibiria> if so, do "boot -s" at the boot prompt 11:26 < arpeas> most libraries have computers. check their policy on plugging in external media & downloading software to it. you'll need rufus. 11:26 < SusanTheNerd> yes it does boot 11:27 < SusanTheNerd> but it only repsonds after x11 starts to the power button and the mouse 11:27 < sibiria> then "boot -s" to boot into single-user mode, then edit your etc-rc.conf.local to comment out current xenodm_flags and replace with "xenodm_flags=NO" 11:27 < sibiria> and maybe free up some space on / because it sounds like you might have choked that file system 11:28 -!- todd [~todd@gateway/tor-sasl/toddf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28 < arpeas> heh, forgot about single-user mode 11:28 -!- uuaaeeii [~user@user/uuaaeeii] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:29 < SusanTheNerd> in single user mode I log in as root? 11:29 < sibiria> yes, and nothing starts up 11:29 < arpeas> except for the sh shell 11:29 < SusanTheNerd> df return 15% used on / 11:30 < sibiria> export TERM=vt100; vi /etc/rc.conf.local 11:33 < SusanTheNerd> so it says filesytem in read only 11:34 < SusanTheNerd> also I can't use vi as only / is mounted 11:34 < sibiria> mount -uw / 11:34 < sibiria> mount /usr 11:35 -!- Leone [~Leo@104.247.239.156] has joined #openbsd 11:36 -!- todd [~todd@gateway/tor-sasl/toddf] has joined #openbsd 11:37 < SusanTheNerd> thank you 11:37 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1006:4928:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has joined #openbsd 11:38 < SusanTheNerd> Deleted the file that was making xorg to not work, as it was the only one that I modifed in the xorg config 11:38 -!- sinvet [~sinvet@user/sinvet] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:42 -!- engler [~engler@user/emilengler] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:48 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 11:50 -!- enzuru [~enzu.ru@user/enzuru] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:51 -!- Tristam [~tristam@user/tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:51 -!- GreaseMonkey [greaser@user/greasemonkey] has quit [Quit: HYDRA IRC LOL] 11:51 -!- enzuru [~enzu.ru@user/enzuru] has joined #openbsd 11:51 -!- arcticdev [~arcticdev@77.222.166.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52 -!- arcticdev [~arcticdev@77.222.166.50] has joined #openbsd 11:54 -!- thedaemon [~thedaemon@user/thedaemon] has joined #openbsd 11:54 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1006:4928:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:56 -!- Tristam [~tristam@user/tristam] has joined #openbsd 12:00 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 12:03 -!- Alhazred [~Alhazred@user/Alhazred] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:05 -!- Alhazred [~Alhazred@user/Alhazred] has joined #openbsd 12:06 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@61-228-200-148.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:09 < SusanTheNerd> Is it normal left to return convert? 12:10 < SusanTheNerd> nevermind 12:10 < SusanTheNerd> I figured out what was happening 12:18 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.171.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.171.threembb.co.uk] has joined #openbsd 12:21 < pr-asadi> Greetings people. Cannot we record the sound of programs and also from microphone? 12:21 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.171.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23 < arpeas> you can. do "sysctl kern.audio.record=1" on the shell. 12:23 < pr-asadi> arpeas: I mean something like this: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#recordmon 12:23 < arpeas> to make it stick after reboot, do put kern.audio.record=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf 12:24 < pr-asadi> arpeas: Both recording from my mirophone, and recording the output of all audio playbacks. 12:26 < arpeas> don't know. have you tried what's written in the faq? honestly i've never needed this. 12:27 -!- NicknameJohn [~NicknameJ@187-27-147-137.3g.claro.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27 -!- arcticdev [~arcticdev@77.222.166.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28 -!- arcticdev [~arcticdev@77.222.166.50] has joined #openbsd 12:28 < pr-asadi> arpeas: Yes. I have already tried it. It does not record from microphone. The sndiod(8) manual says: 12:28 < pr-asadi> the same sub-device cannot be used for 12:28 < pr-asadi> the same sub-device cannot be used for 12:28 < pr-asadi> both recording and monitoring 12:29 < pr-asadi> I just wanted to make sure this means I cannot do the thing I want. 12:30 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.169.threembb.co.uk] has joined #openbsd 12:32 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 12:35 -!- thedaemon [~thedaemon@user/thedaemon] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:37 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.169.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.169.threembb.co.uk] has joined #openbsd 12:39 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 12:43 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@92.40.217.169.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:47 -!- arcticdev [~arcticdev@77.222.166.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49 -!- sinvet [~sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 12:54 -!- scain [~scain@2603-8080-b104-4e00-45cf-678b-0a7f-b897.res6.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 13:00 -!- sysctl [~sysctl@88.215.76.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:00 < cpet> It does error messages are self explained 13:02 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has joined #openbsd 13:02 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 13:06 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@123-192-192-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw] has joined #openbsd 13:08 < pr-asadi> cpet: Pardon me, are you speaking to me? 13:10 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:10 -!- Nahual [~Nahual@centos/community/Nahual] has joined #openbsd 13:11 -!- Guest9850 [~overrider@45.76.75.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12 -!- kinozawa [init@user/kinozawa] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:12 -!- kinozawa [init@user/kinozawa] has joined #openbsd 13:12 < cpet> Seeing txt then replying to it 13:12 < cpet> Pretty much how chatting works 13:12 < cpet> I think 13:13 < pr-asadi> cpet: Well. I thought you are speaking to someone else. 13:13 < pr-asadi> Well. Can I do it? 13:13 -!- Guest9850 [~overrider@user/overrider] has joined #openbsd 13:16 -!- solo2 [~solo@c-71-233-184-6.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:16 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:17 < pr-asadi> cpet: Both recording audio from my webcam's microphone and audio playbacks I mean. 13:17 -!- solo2 [~solo@c-71-233-185-120.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 13:17 -!- rnsanchez [~rnsanchez@2804:14d:2c92:1438:4d87:12a7:6d89:3cb0] has joined #openbsd 13:18 < cpet> Think that's a webcam limitation not an os thing 13:18 < eea> pr-asadi: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? 13:18 < pr-asadi> cpet: Hmm. 13:18 < sibiria> he wants to record from both microphone and applications 13:18 < sibiria> e.g. typical streaming or screen-recording setup with narration 13:19 < eea> that would require an audio mixer app, no? 13:19 * eea shrugs 13:19 < pr-asadi> eea: I want to record audio from my webcam's microphone, but I also want to include the audio playback. 13:19 -!- oldpcuser [~oldpcuser@user/oldpcuser] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20 -!- oldpcuser [~oldpcuser@user/oldpcuser] has joined #openbsd 13:20 < sibiria> capture system audio, in other words 13:20 < cpet> I would get another they sell some fancy shit at best buy than a dinky web cam 13:20 < pr-asadi> Yes 13:21 < pr-asadi> sibiria: For example, I am in a voice call, I am speaking to my friend and also he hears the sound of Wesnoth game. 13:22 < pr-asadi> cpet: I would get another they... -> What do you mean? 13:22 < cpet> Sounds like something I would not do or have interest in 13:23 * pr-asadi shrugs 13:23 < cpet> The error message is telling you it can't 13:23 < cpet> So you can't plain and imple 13:23 < cpet> Simple 13:23 < pr-asadi> Which error message? 13:23 < cpet> Oh for fucks sake hah 13:24 < pr-asadi> I have not shared any logs. I just said I read the manual page. 13:25 < cpet> 7:28 AM the same sub-device cannot be used for 13:25 < cpet> So you didn't say that ? 13:25 < pr-asadi> I said, but I found this in manual page. 13:25 < cpet> Share some logs then 13:25 < pr-asadi> No errors. 13:26 < cpet> Then there's no issue then 13:26 < eea> so the man page explains why this can not be done... i'm confused at to the actual question 13:26 < cpet> Cool we can move on now 13:26 -!- Leopold_ [~quassel@23.137.249.65] has joined #openbsd 13:26 < xse> pretty sure i saw some example using ffmpeg recording both screen and microphone here at some point 13:26 < eea> ^ 13:26 < eea> that is what i meant by audio mixer app 13:26 < eea> can confirm, ffmpeg works on openbsd 13:26 < cpet> Limitation of software 13:27 < eea> so does audacity 13:27 < pr-asadi> xse: No, I want the audio. For example in a voice call, I am speakin to someone and I also play a game, so my friend can hear my game's sound and my voice. 13:27 < cpet> Possibly ness around with pulseaudio ? Think it can share audio devices 13:28 < pr-asadi> cpet: OH. Yes. PulseAudio was able to do it. 13:29 < cpet> I hate that but if it works it works 13:29 < cpet> The unix way or something 13:29 -!- Leopold [~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/leopold] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30 -!- trillp [~trillp@2600:1700:28e2:14d0:cfe:24:a017:f610] has joined #openbsd 13:31 < pr-asadi> I hope 13:32 < cpet> When pulse was starting out it was garbage would always make my around quicky and sound like a deer calf in distress 13:33 < cpet> But now it has matured enough 13:33 < cpet> But I still kill it and recompile the software without as I have no need for it 13:33 < cpet> But I know people use there computers for more than just ssh and YouTube's 13:34 < cpet> 😎 13:35 -!- weevoy [~weevoy@5.202.22.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:35 < thrig> one use is to correct spelling errors, such as s/there/their 13:36 < cpet> Grammar Nazis are bad uhm k 13:37 -!- RhDoc [~Thunderbi@81-223-196-34.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39 < pr-asadi> cpet: I have killed sndiod daemon, started pulseaudio, but no audio. 13:39 -!- tjdaugaard [~tjdaugaar@nat-cgn9-185-107-12-178.static.kviknet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:40 -!- RhDoc [~Thunderbi@81-223-196-34.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #openbsd 13:41 -!- weevoy [~weevoy@5.202.22.34] has joined #openbsd 13:43 -!- ClaudioM [claudiom@tilde.institute] has joined #openbsd 13:44 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@60.52.79.215] has quit [Quit: edthix] 13:44 < pardis> are you sure the things you're using are built with pulseaudio support? 13:44 < cpet> ldd cmd libpulse 13:44 < pardis> nevertheless, it seems straightforward to do with sndiod, just open two devices, record from both and mix the streams with whatever you're using to record 13:44 < cpet> Think is the lib 13:45 < pardis> I haven't actually tried that, so it may not work, but that's what I would do if I wanted to achieve this 13:47 < cpet> Think his issue is the same as to why adding the mouse to x directly and not using moused make you not have a cursor on the console 13:48 < pardis> that really isn't helpful 13:48 < cpet> Your welcome 13:48 < cpet> You're 13:48 -!- monkey_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 13:49 -!- blngq [quassel@2a01:7e01::f03c:92ff:fe66:3360] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:49 -!- blngq [quassel@2a01:7e01::f03c:92ff:fe66:3360] has joined #openbsd 13:49 -!- RhDoc [~Thunderbi@81-223-196-34.static.upcbusiness.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50 < SusanTheNerd> https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/openbsd-on-a-laptop#mail 13:51 < pr-asadi> pardis: OH, no. I have not. I must build them. Thank you. 13:51 < SusanTheNerd> So I'm reading this guide and he stores his secrets in /etc/mail/secrets 13:51 < SusanTheNerd> is there any way I can store them in a local directory 13:51 < eea> SusanTheNerd: local to what/who? 13:51 -!- icy [~icy@user/icy] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:52 < SusanTheNerd> because I have a script that get's the secrets at start time and they need to be updated each time 13:52 < pr-asadi> pardis: nevertheless... -> How? I'm new to OpenBSD. 13:52 -!- RhDoc [~Thunderbi@81-223-196-34.static.upcbusiness.at] has joined #openbsd 13:52 < SusanTheNerd> eea: I mean in /home/susan 13:53 < pardis> you'd probably want to define multiple subdevices with sndiod's -s flag, one with -m play,mon and the other with -m rec, then open both of those 13:53 -!- icy [~icy@user/icy] has joined #openbsd 13:53 < pardis> recording from the first one will give you monitoring, and the second should give you recording 13:53 -!- xmszkn [~xmszkn@user/xmszkn] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 13:53 < thrig> #!/bin/sh update-secrets cp mysecrets /etc/mail/secrets ... 13:53 < pardis> I don't know for sure if that would work, as I said, you might get an error 13:53 < pardis> but it's what I would try before installing pulseaudio 13:53 < eea> SusanTheNerd: ah, but, smtpd will need access to the file 13:53 < eea> thrig: this would be how i'd do it, if my smtpd creds were not in a db 13:54 -!- xmszkn [~xmszkn@user/xmszkn] has joined #openbsd 13:54 < pr-asadi> pardis: Yes. It would be good if it works with sndiod(8). 13:55 -!- monkey_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55 -!- LordNibbler [~LordNibbl@user/LordNibbler] has joined #openbsd 13:57 < eea> ha, til, m:tier still going 13:57 < eea> neat 13:58 < pr-asadi> pardis: I executed "doas rcctl set sndiod flags -s default -m play,mon -s mon" and "doas rcctl set sndiod flags -s default -m rec -s rec". 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In terms of web and mail server on the same box, would you suggest unbound or unwind? Didn't really understand/see any difference.. Thanks! 15:10 -!- feriman [~feriman@188.163.114.49] has joined #openbsd 15:12 < lts> man resolvd 15:13 < sibiria> unwind is only for openbsd itself. unbound lets your serve other machines on the network 15:14 < sibiria> (without going into all the complex things you can achieve with unbound that unwind does not do) 15:15 -!- Iketani_ is now known as Iketani 15:16 -!- Iketani is now known as Guest2166 15:16 -!- Guest2166 [~Iketani@46.23.90.48] has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:17 -!- unpx [~unpx@151.71.201.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17 -!- unpx [~unpx@151.71.201.177] has joined #openbsd 15:17 -!- Iketani_ [~Iketani@46.23.90.48] has joined #openbsd 15:18 -!- LordNibbler [~LordNibbl@user/LordNibbler] has joined #openbsd 15:18 -!- unpx [~unpx@151.71.201.177] has quit [Client Quit] 15:18 -!- unpx [~unpx@151.71.201.177] has joined #openbsd 15:18 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 15:21 -!- b50d [~b50d@62.96.54.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 -!- Iketani_ [~Iketani@46.23.90.48] has left #openbsd [] 15:23 < cpet> Why there's better free options 15:23 < cpet> I'm using one that actually does ad blocking and malware prevention 15:24 < cpet> Not to mention you can change the dns on your hw 15:25 < cpet> I was upset when they took bind off and replaced it with that and had to relearn dumb ass names such as drill and host when you're used to bslookup and dig 15:26 < sibiria> dns0.eu is supposedly fast and stable, and not google/cloudflare spyware 15:27 < sibiria> they have a few flavors 15:27 < cpet> I chose the malware and ads 15:28 < cpet> Think they had a few others with porn filters and other stuff 15:28 < sibiria> i chose malware. i chose ads. #myweb #mychoice 15:28 < cpet> Clicked on what you wanted and it would give you ips for those 15:28 < lts> Have your own unbound do blocking of unwanted sites, then select a least suspicious upstream provider e.g. libredns 15:29 < cpet> Router does all that 15:29 < phy1729> Why pick an upstream; just use the roots 15:29 -!- Iketani [~Iketani@46.23.90.48] has joined #openbsd 15:30 < lts> I like DoT with an upstream 15:30 < cpet> Unbound and pulseaudio are on my list of software I hate 15:49 < LordNibbler> unbound, how come? 15:49 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1006:4928:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has joined #openbsd 15:50 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50 -!- sliced [~sliced@81.15.241.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:54 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 15:54 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56 < cpet> These days with the services offered really don't need that add them in to resolv.conf 15:56 -!- medium_cool [~medium_co@136.36.128.48] has joined #openbsd 15:57 -!- piotr_ [~piotr@user/filystyn] has joined #openbsd 15:57 -!- piotr_ is now known as Filystyn 16:08 -!- jschpp [~jschpp@user/jschpp] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:08 -!- jschpp [~jschpp@user/jschpp] has joined #openbsd 16:09 -!- ioxception_ [~quassel@31.187.69.186] has joined #openbsd 16:09 -!- ArtGravity [~artgravit@user/artgravity] has joined #openbsd 16:10 < CosmicDJ> I use unbound to block ads on my local LAN https://www.jwillikers.com/unbound-adblock 16:11 < CosmicDJ> with some pf magic to redirect all DNS queries to my router https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/turn-your-network-inside-out-with-one-pfconf-trick 16:12 -!- ioxception [~quassel@45.88.190.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:17 -!- trillp [~trillp@2600:1700:28e2:14d0:cfe:24:a017:f610] has quit [Quit: trillp] 16:17 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@86-95-161-96.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #openbsd 16:18 -!- brock [~brock@209.122.210.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20 -!- brock [~brock@45.144.113.229] has joined #openbsd 16:24 -!- LordNibbler [~LordNibbl@user/LordNibbler] has quit [Quit: LordNibbler] 16:36 -!- brock [~brock@45.144.113.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:37 < SusanTheNerd> is it true that kdenlive is more stable if run as root? 16:37 -!- adip [~adip@c145-69.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 16:37 < SusanTheNerd> I saw a video from zaney 16:38 -!- brock [~brock@209.122.210.88] has joined #openbsd 16:40 -!- jordanreger [~jordanreg@sourcehut/user/jordanreger] has joined #openbsd 16:41 < thrig> generally one might want to minimize the amount of software run as root, for various reasons 16:42 < lts> But it was a video 16:42 < jordanreger> hey again, i was here yesterday talking about the smtpd server. i got the port unblocked! i can now send emails externally, but for some reason gmail puts it directly into spam and icloud says the connection closed unexpectedly. i believe i'm filtering through dkim and spf, so i'm not sure what's up 16:42 < thrig> oh well if it's a video I can't argue with that 16:43 < jordanreger> i don't have spamd on though, could that be it? 16:43 < jordanreger> also apologies for cutting off the other discussion 16:44 < thrig> a list of other things good to setup (SPF, etc) were mentioned yesterday. this may lower the rate at which mails are blocked or spammed 16:46 < xtile> jordanreger: Gmail blocks mail by default, keep trying for a month and they'll go through eventually 16:46 < xtile> I once ran a mailing list and I had to deal with that. 16:46 < jordanreger> good to know - makes sense, as i did just set it up yesterday haha. thanks! 16:47 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47 < thrig> gmail was very good at putting a lot of the openbsd mailing list traffic into spam, but eventually I moved all of that traffic somewhere more sensible 16:48 < sibiria> jordanreger: it depends. you must at the very least have working FCrDNS, and a proper SPF record. if not, you can be certain things will be blocked, or at the least end up in the junk bin 16:48 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has joined #openbsd 16:48 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has joined #openbsd 16:48 < sibiria> i have no problems getting mail into the inbox at gmail, microsoft and yahoo, but i throw everything i could at the problem to keep up with the insanity 16:50 < jordanreger> i did not realize how insane mail is nowadays... yikes 16:50 < thrig> welcome to the jungle, we got spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam lovely spam 16:51 < uwharrie> and even if you manage to get things into inboxes, expect it to revert back to filing as spam at random and without explanation 16:53 -!- aibo [~aibo@user/aibo] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:54 -!- aibo [~aibo@user/aibo] has joined #openbsd 16:54 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 16:55 < CosmicDJ> jordanreger: try sending a mail to https://www.mail-tester.com/ and look at the report 16:55 < jordanreger> this is what they meant by the real world is scary... lol 16:55 < sibiria> www.learndmarc.com is pretty useful 16:58 < Bradipo> gmail has recently taken a hard stance on SPF. I think it's ridiculous. If they had any intelligent developers, instead of an agenda to push, they sould at least be smart enough to realize that if the source of the email is also the host listed at the MX record that it should be proof enough of a legitimate sender. 16:58 < Bradipo> Instead, they have an agenda. 16:59 < jordanreger> surprisingly i got a 7/10, which is reasonable. it says my message isn't signed with dkim, even though i'm running it through filter-dkimsign 16:59 < Bradipo> At any rate, I just tell people who contact me using gmail that I cannot send to them and they need to ask Gmail to let my email through. If it doesn't happen, tough, they won't be hearing from me. 17:00 -!- scain [~scain@2603-8080-b104-4e00-45cf-678b-0a7f-b897.res6.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:00 < sibiria> jordanreger: what does your filter line look like? the invocation for filter-dkimsign 17:00 < Bradipo> I'm tempted to just block gmail with a response that says, "gmail is blocking me so I'm blocking you. If you don't like this, work with your email provider to solve the problem because you are their 'customer', not I." 17:01 -!- jmcunx [jmc@user/zjmc] has joined #openbsd 17:02 -!- feriman [~feriman@188.163.114.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:02 < thrig> it was hilarious when 49.99% of the users were in gmail and 49.99% where in microsoft and those two weren't sending emails to one another 17:04 < sibiria> and the 0.02% were sat high up in their copper towers laughing at the plebeians 17:04 < thrig> insults aside, I was not laughing at them 17:04 < jordanreger> sibiria: https://paste.sr.ht/~jordanreger/88ef6573e2e4b8a989a3218a9d2e44da014ee6d2 17:05 < sibiria> To: the 49.99% Subject: do you have any grey poupon mustard? 17:05 < jordanreger> (example.org is obviously switched in real file) 17:06 < CosmicDJ> jordanreger: use the URLs we send you to test your setup first 17:06 < CosmicDJ> could be anything, from missing DNS entries to your config 17:06 < sibiria> signing looks fine. maybe you haven't published the pubkey correctly, or perhaps the filter isn't called in the outbound action 17:07 < sibiria> filter-dkimsign will log useful info as well in /var/log/maillog 17:07 < sibiria> and learndmarc.com will enumerate your dkim stuff, too 17:09 < jordanreger> sibiria: it is not called in the outbound action, could this be why? 17:10 < jordanreger> only on the listen on ... 17:10 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:11 < sibiria> jordanreger: no that will effectively be the same thing. that's ok 17:11 < jordanreger> learndmarc is very useful 17:11 < sibiria> as long as it happens anywhere in the outbound chain 17:12 < jordanreger> got it 17:12 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 17:13 < sibiria> if there aren't any complaints from it in the maillog it should be signing correctly 17:14 < jordanreger> yeah so it's just that the emails aren't signed with dkim. interesting 17:14 < jordanreger> dkim not throwing any errors in maillog seemingly. it's probably the key somehow 17:14 < sibiria> can it read/reach the private ekey file? 17:14 < sibiria> key* 17:15 -!- medium_cool_ [~medium_co@65-130-24-223.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #openbsd 17:16 -!- medium_cool [~medium_co@136.36.128.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17 < jordanreger> i'm not sure, actually. i ran [this script](https://github.com/mgraves00/misc-scripts/blob/master/dkim/make_dkim_key.sh) to generate it, and it has a chgrp line in there 17:19 < jordanreger> although i did actually run it in the wrong directory and *move* it into /etc/mail/dkim, could that be why? 17:20 -!- fr0x [~fr0x@137.15.132.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openbsd 17:20 < sibiria> -etc-mail is world-readable, so you should look at ownership/perms of the dir and the key itself 17:21 < sibiria> you run your filter with user:group _dkimsign:_dkimsign 17:22 -!- medium_cool [~medium_co@136.36.128.48] has joined #openbsd 17:22 -!- medium_cool_ [~medium_co@65-130-24-223.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:23 < riceandbeans> https://twitter.com/sedward5/status/1319653212681609217?s=20 17:25 -!- vlt [~dm@157.230.21.14] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:25 < sibiria> "but it has to end with tilde-all or people might not get all my e-mails" 17:25 < jordanreger> okay i ran chown for _dkimsign:_dkimsign on both .key and .pub, i'll test it out now 17:26 -!- vlt [~dm@157.230.21.14] has joined #openbsd 17:28 -!- jordanreger [~jordanreg@sourcehut/user/jordanreger] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 -!- danilogondolfo [~danilogon@37.228.206.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:35 -!- medium_cool [~medium_co@136.36.128.48] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:37 -!- arpeas [~jamie@109-92-95-84.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Quit.] 17:39 * eea appreciates and celebrates each new openbsd/smtpd mx 17:42 -!- lawt [~lawt@129.159.36.129] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:42 -!- lawt [~lawt@129.159.36.129] has joined #openbsd 17:44 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44 -!- djhankb [~djhankb@208.113.164.68] has joined #openbsd 17:45 -!- norayr [~norayr@37.252.78.253] has left #openbsd [] 17:48 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:54 -!- curium [~curium@mail.clouded.monster] has joined #openbsd 17:56 -!- rjc [wth0j1vohu@srv.dataswamp.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:56 -!- n4dir [~user@i59F518D8.versanet.de] has joined #openbsd 17:56 -!- rjc [iamx2m9u9d@srv.dataswamp.org] has joined #openbsd 17:57 < thrig> eea: spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam lovely spam! 18:04 -!- jmcunx_ [jmc@user/zjmc] has joined #openbsd 18:04 -!- imega [~coma@89.206.80.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:05 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05 -!- jmcunx [jmc@user/zjmc] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:07 -!- Alhazred [~Alhazred@user/Alhazred] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:08 -!- lolok [~lolok@user/lolok] has quit [Quit: lolok] 18:12 -!- CosmicDJ [~cosmicdj@p200300e24f241f010f3d009a44eef72f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:13 -!- CosmicDJ [~cosmicdj@p200300e24f241f01d24ea70228145803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 18:14 < kodcode> can someone help build u-boot for an OrangePI (Rockchip RK3288)? 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This post only talks about Allwinners. 18:34 < kodcode> maybe Google is hard... 18:34 < cpet> The point was to Google not for me to Google it for you 18:35 < Bradipo> You mean search for it using any of the widely available search engines? 18:35 < cpet> I guess 18:35 < cpet> Hell tell suri to do it for you 18:40 < kodcode> Anyhow.. if someone has experience with building u-boot, please be in touch. OrangePI R1 Plus LTS is similar to NanoPI R2s for which there is a bootloader in u-boot port but I did not have any success with that. 18:42 -!- jmcunx_ [jmc@user/zjmc] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:43 -!- rpx [~rpx@2a02:3035:809:4151:a810:c56a:3078:b55b] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- dam64 [~dam64@minou.d4m.fr] has quit [Quit: A+] 18:46 < rpx> Hi. I w'd like to use the sbcl package on arm64, but it doesn't seem to be supported with the latest snapshot version 18:46 < rpx> ===> sbcl-2.2.5 is only for amd64 i386 powerpc, not aarch64 (arm64) . 18:46 < rpx> Does anybody know why that is ? 18:46 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48 < cpet> Port it and submit patches thank you 18:52 -!- dam64 [~dam64@minou.d4m.fr] has joined #openbsd 18:54 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has quit [Quit: cylater people] 18:54 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055::4] has joined #openbsd 18:56 -!- morte_ [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 19:01 -!- ClaudioM [claudiom@tilde.institute] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:03 -!- mcornick [fca145cfd2@user/mcornick] has joined #openbsd 19:06 -!- fr0x [~fr0x@8.170.132.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openbsd 19:11 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055::4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055::4] has joined #openbsd 19:13 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@123-192-192-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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