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04:26 < SusanTheNerd> Has anyone else high cpu ussage when using firefox?
04:26 < SusanTheNerd> With two tabs open(discord and chat.sr.ht), I get like 20-30% cpu ussage from firefox
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04:27 < SusanTheNerd> and I'm on a powerfull laptop(framework i7-1280P)
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04:43 < d2crypt> /dev/sd1a      986M    983M  -46.9M   106%    /
04:43 < d2crypt> dang it
04:44 < xse> mh don't have discord can't test, i'd assume gamja would be lighter than discord tho it still receives constant websocket data. firefox has an about: page giving you cpu per tab and so on
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04:55 < SusanTheNerd> xse: problem is that I had mulltiple times the same tabs open on linux and it would use like 1%, there must be something specific to openbsd
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04:57 < d2crypt> I have three tabs open in firefox right now, four physical cores, all idling around 0.7% - 1.3%
04:57 < d2crypt> can't speak on discord
04:57 < SusanTheNerd> I'm going to have to do more research on what exactly happens
04:58 < SusanTheNerd> what I'm sure is that it was about the same and before modifying some about:config
05:01 < xse> yeah, without trying discord i didn't feel like my firefox was that hungry
05:03 < xse> i'd say make sure you did the pkg readme stuff about graphic acceleration and so on maybe
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05:27 < d2crypt> hmm I have a file in /dev called sd2 which is 856.4 MiB. I probably mistyped something last night when writing zeros to a flashdrive. this must be the culprit
05:27 < d2crypt> probably tried if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd2, rather than of=/dev/sd2c 
05:27 < d2crypt> err is that right
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05:29 < d2crypt> er I wasn't thinking, i mean /dev/rsd2c. yeah thats how it happened probably
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05:30 < d2crypt> fixd
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06:37 < m15o> hi all! what's the best practice to run a daemon that uses a chroot? I would like to run it as an unpriviledged user, but it would block the chroot... any pointers? Thank you!
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09:14 < tercaL> in /etc/php-8.0.ini file, I have a directive like; error_log = /var/www/logs/php_errors.log (to separate and collect PHP errors in a file), but it never works. Any clue?
09:14 < tercaL> I generate php errors randomly, the file is still empty. chowned it for 'www', chmod'd it 777, nothing helped.
09:15 < tercaL> I wonder if it's something related to chroot, or?
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09:19 < renaud> tercaL: do you also have 'log_errors = On'?
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09:52 < tercaL> renaud: Yes.
09:52 < sibiria> tercaL: are you running with php-fpm, or static module inside e.g. apache?
09:52 < tercaL> I'm running with php-fpm
09:53 < tercaL> nginx
09:53 < tercaL> both installed through pkg_add packages
09:53 < sibiria> check "error_log" etc. in php-fpm.conf
09:53 < sibiria> relative vs absolute path and such
09:54 < sibiria> also check if syslog route is active (and picked up by system syslog)
09:54 < tercaL> in my php-fpm.conf; I have error_log = log/php-fpm.log  (and this is /var/log), it works fine. This is just for php-fpm daemon.
09:54 < tercaL> start-ups, terminates, etc.
09:55 < sibiria> php-fpm is what executes your PHP scripts
09:55 < tercaL> It has only lines like; NOTICE: ready to handle connections - NOTICE: Terminating ... - NOTICE: exiting, bye-bye!
09:55 < schillingklaus> is using pkg_mgr frowned upon?
09:55 < tercaL> however the log file set in php.ini file, would contain code errors.
09:56 < sibiria> so take a look in the php-fpm at its chroot/chdir setting, and catch_workers_output and such
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09:57 < tercaL> sibiria: chroot = /var/www - ;chdir = /var/www (not set) - ;catch_workers_output = yes (not set)
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11:29 < rpx> Hi. I am trying to cross compile sbcl from amd64 (host) to arm64 (target). When the target is debian linux it works. When the target is OpenBSD snapshot it fails unfortunately.
11:29 < rpx> CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL pid 87552 pthread 0x4c101c290:
11:29 < rpx> Memory fault at 0x257448 (pc=0x25731c)
11:30 < rpx> Any ideas why that is happening ?
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12:30 < oldlaptop> rpx: you might want to write about this to ports@ and/or an sbcl channel or such. If you look through cvs history it's needed explicit porting to each arch so far: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/lang/sbcl/
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12:33 < oldlaptop> the sbcl people appear to have some old binaries and so presumably may know something: http://www.sbcl.org/platform-table.html (but hopefully they also realize those aren't very likely to run on current releases if as the names indicate they're for 6.7)
12:34 < oldlaptop> the port appears to bootstrap with either ecl or clisp depending on arch
12:34 < tercaL> Obviously, the thing error_log = /var/www/logs/php_errors.log is not working on OpenBSD :(
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12:49 < rpx> oldlaptop: Ok, thank you. I found 3 patches for sbcl which I could apply. Now the error message is at least a bit different.
12:49 < rpx> maximum interrupt nesting depth (8) exceeded
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12:49 < rpx> I think this happened before and so should be something for sbcl folks.
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12:51 < pardis> what is the point of cross-compiling?
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12:53 < rpx> I don't have a working sbcl for arm64
12:53 < Voyager_MP> is anyone using puppet here ? 
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12:54 < rpx> ===>  sbcl-2.2.5   is only for amd64 i386 powerpc, not aarch64 (arm64) .
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12:54 < pardis> oh, it has itself as a build dep?
12:54 < rpx> Yes
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12:56 < oldlaptop> It's a self-hosting lisp compiler, which means you should also be able to bootstrap it with a lisp interpreter (for which the port appears to have explicit support)
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13:22 < luciusf> cheers everyone
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13:28 < cpet> Mm lisp 
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15:08 < SamuelMarks> hi
15:08 < SamuelMarks> Wow that's an old version of gdb you're shipping with OpenBSD 7.2
15:09 < thrig> pkg_add gdb
15:09 < oldlaptop> See "GPLv3 dumpster fire, the"
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15:09 < oldlaptop> someday maybe lldb will be enough and gdb can be tedued
15:10 < oldlaptop> goodness knows base gdb is often not enough
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15:14 < PyR3X> I did a snapshot upgrade and my /etc/monthly.local was replaced =/
15:14 < SamuelMarks> oldlaptop - I hear ya
15:15 < SamuelMarks> oh yeah I forgot about the GPLv3 bit. I had lunch with rms the other day and he was ranting about BSD
15:15 < SamuelMarks> I was like, yeah but I want to contribute to both projects and if I use your license then I can't contrib to them after
15:16  * SamuelMarks got pkg_add: Installation of llvm-13.0.0p3 failed, partial installation recorded as partial-llvm-13.0.0p3
15:16  * SamuelMarks sadface
15:17 < oldlaptop> We can't really tell you much about how to deal with that without knowing why installation failed.
15:17 < oldlaptop> It told you why above that message.
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15:25 < Crystal-tilde> guys i have a rather stupid question. I wanna subscribe to openbsd mailing lists. however, not every mailing list has instructions (for example the french one does have instructions, but the announcements don't)
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15:26 < Crystal-tilde> do i just like, send a message to that mailing list ?
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15:29 < Lucas6023> Crystal-tilde: did you check https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html in full?
15:29 < Crystal-tilde> yep. i think i did
15:30 < Crystal-tilde> did i miss the part where it tells how to subscribe ? 
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15:30 < Lucas6023> re-read the "Managing List Membership via Majordomo" section, and the section below for an alternative
15:30 < Crystal-tilde> Oh. thanks a lot, i did in fact miss that part 
15:31 < Crystal-tilde> sorry for the trouble ^^'' have a nice day
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16:06 < eoc> where can i search the repo online in a browser?
16:06 < dayid> TIAS? https://github.com/openbsd
16:06 < phy1729> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ https://github.com/openbsd/src
16:08 < eoc> i mean to see which packages/applications are available on openbsd
16:09 < quinq> For ports, there's http://openports.pl for example
16:09 < dayid> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html -> https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html -> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/packages/
16:09 < eoc> ty :]
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16:26 < seninha> hi, my OpenBSD system became unresponsive, all the open terminals sessions closed and left a ksh.core all around (including a /ksh.core). And a few processes appeared on dmesg with "not MAP_STACK": https://ttm.sh/BIh.txt
16:27 < seninha> I have no idea what happened with my little sabiá
16:28 < seninha> i had a virtual machine open and connected via ssh (it was 10.0.0.12), I also had my phone charging via usb (all that is at the dmesg)
16:29 < seninha> do you know what could have happened? What were those "not MAP_STACK" things there?
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16:47 < oldlaptop> eoc: See also https://man.openbsd.org/pkg_info (particularly -Q), https://openports.pl/path/databases/pkglocatedb, and https://openports.pl/path/databases/sqlports (which is the database behind openports.pl)
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16:48 < oldlaptop> note also that openports.pl is itself in ports/packages, so to speak: https://openports.pl/path/databases/ports-readmes-dancer
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16:58 < seninha> ping
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17:09 < luciusf> hi folks. I am a heavy user of Zotero, unfortunately the only backend it supports is webdav. Is there anyone here, running a webdav server on openbsd? 
17:10 < luciusf> For example, I don't suppose httpd support it, right? I couldn't find anything on the net
17:10 < thrig> presumably apache or nginx could be installed
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17:11 < luciusf> nginx as well, you think? I was under the impression, that the nginx in ports doesn't come with ngx_http_dav_module
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17:12 < thrig> it could, probably, be compiled to have the modules you need
17:12 < luciusf> true
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17:35 < cpet> seninha: dont ask for help, ask for it then wait
17:35 < cpet> and dont do this oping shit 
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17:36 < pardis> can you please stop replying pointlessly as well?
17:36 < thrig> sorry
17:37 < pardis> luciusf: reading the port Makefile, we see --with-http_dav_module
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17:41 < cpet> luciusf: nginx -V shows --with-http_dav_module
17:41 < cpet> thrig: that was for me
17:42 < cpet> thrig: I guess I upset pardis with complaints about ping :)
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17:57 < luciusf> pardis: cpet: oh, that's a nice surprise. Not sure why I was under the impression of it not present then. Thanks for the pointer!!
17:57 < cpet> luciusf: run nginx -V
17:57 < cpet> and read a bit
17:59 < luciusf> cpet: yep, totally true, it's definitely there. Thanks again! I much prefer nginx over apache
17:59 < cpet> i still use apache cant stand the config syntax of nginx
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18:00 < luciusf> oh really, I think this is the first time hearing this :)
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18:00 < sibiria> apache definitely messier, but it does a few things that are pretty messy (or impossible) with nginx
18:00 < cpet> user dirs
18:01 < sibiria> that's the most common case, yeah
18:01 < cpet> but then again openbsd httpd cant do them either 
18:01 < lts> I prefer nginx, but it has horrible gotchas, like how each "location {" resets the security headers
18:02 < cpet> I prefer hiawatha but its not in the retail ports packages
18:02 < cpet> so i can do pkg_add hiawatha 
18:02 < cpet> but for my stupid personal use apache is fine
18:04 < luciusf> lts: "location {" resets the security headers -> in what why? 
18:04 < luciusf> *way
18:05 < jungleboogie> if you just need a simple http server, you may like althttpd: https://sqlite.org/althttpdhttps://sqlite.org/althttpd
18:05 < cpet> the dev is helpful as well actually tries to fix some issues with BSD
18:06 < cpet> instead of "i dont support or use BSD"
18:06 < lts> luciusf: "The proxy_set_header directives are inherited from the previous level if and only if there are no proxy_set_header directives defined on the current level." https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_proxy_module.html#proxy_set_header
18:06 < luciusf> lts: thanks for the pointer! I was not aware, will have a look into this!
18:06 < lts> np
18:07 < IcePic> caddyserver works quite ok on openbsd too
18:08 < cpet> I see some issues when using php apps that use rewrites the smart ones that do the rewrites internall dont have issues
18:08 < cpet> just had to disable nginx-apache for osticket cause it didint like it
18:08 < prahou> say, what is the sim card (network?) interface in some laptops called, as is there support for it? 
18:08 < cpet> if_something ?
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18:09 < prahou> would it show up if the simcard wasn't there?
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18:09 < cpet> if there is a device with a drive it would show up when booting yes
18:10 < cpet> driver*
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18:10 < jcs> the sim card isn't a device in itself, it's attached to a modem device like umsm(4)
18:10 < cpet> which is a device
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18:11 < prahou> hm.. so what should I be looking for in dmesg?
18:12 < luciusf> IcePic: I somehow thought caddy isn't in ports?
18:13 < luciusf> Oh, they distribute their own binary - man I gotta get up to speed :)
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18:15 < prahou> Oh, nice, got it. Qualcomm Gobi 2000, thanks
18:16 < sibiria> an old classic
18:16 < prahou> You're saying it'll work?
18:16 < sibiria> i don't know if openbsd has support for it. i just commented on it being one of the first 3G-capable USB modems that entered the market, and was delivered to a billion thinkpads
18:17 < sibiria> has a GPS in it, too
18:17 < prahou> I was just curious about it, since I haven't ever tried it and just got my hands on an X201 that has the slot.
18:19 < sibiria> ah yeah they come as both usb and pcie minicard
18:19 < sibiria> always minicard edition in the old thinkpads
18:19 < prahou> It's worth mentioning that the machine came with debian, when that was booting up, the 'antenna' led lit up. Not with OpenBSD though.
18:21 < prahou> and since there's nothing but iwn and em in ifconfig, I'm guessing it's not supported.
18:22 < IcePic> luciusf: it isn't, but it works anyhow. Even on my mips64 octeons
18:22 < thrig> dmesg should mention unsupported devices
18:22 < sibiria> i don't think it manifests immediately like an interface. a lot of them are PPP devices so you will need to configure it as an interface first
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18:23 < prahou> I'm tempted to explore it. I just might.
18:23 < sibiria> that's how you get it to "dial" and authenticate with your operator, and then present a networking serial port etc.
18:23 < sibiria> it's a bit kludgy to set up from what i've heard
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19:02 < luciusf> IcePic: mips octeons would be an ubnt edge router I presume? Do you built the binary your self, or where does it come from? 
19:03 < luciusf> IcePic: and, if you don't mind me asking, what usecase do you have for a webserver on a router? 
19:03 < IcePic> luciusf: I built it myself
19:03 < luciusf> I see
19:04 < IcePic> luciusf: if you boot openbsd on a edgerouter, the ERL becomes a bsd computer, albeit one with 3-12 eth ports
19:04 < IcePic> or inversely, I boot bsd on ubiquitis because they are very well supported mips64 boxes for obsd
19:05 < luciusf> IcePic: yes, I even used this "in production" back in the days, but it was a erlite-3, so I was wondering what I could use the webserver for. 
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19:11 < avemestr> jungleboogie: Nice tip on the althttp web server!
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19:22 < IcePic> luciusf: I have a bunch of ER-8s, some of them with 4 or 8G ram (same ram sticks as old laptops use)
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20:05 < topcat001> seninha: that's very interesting. It looks like the stack pointer pointed to a VM address which should not be stack memory.
20:06 < topcat001> It happened in several processes near about the same time.
20:07 < pardis> might be memtest o'clock
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20:07 < topcat001> Have you had a chance to run an extended memtest on the RAM, just to eliminate the obvious?
20:07 < topcat001> yes :)
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20:08 < seninha> topcat001: i promptly shutdown the system when it became unresponsive. All that remains are the kernel messages and one of the core dumps
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20:11 < seninha> (is lil Sabiá screwed?)
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20:14 < BadCoderFinger> seninha:  No way to tell yet.  Reboot into memtest and let that run for a while to see if there are any memory errors.
20:14 < BadCoderFinger> If you do see memory errors, you'll want to replace the RAM.
20:15 < BadCoderFinger> If that's soldered onto the board, then yeah, sorry, it's screwed, unless you're very brave with a soldering iron, heh.
20:16 < Bradipo> And assuming one can obtain replacement RAM.
20:16 < BadCoderFinger> Bradipo:  Yeah, getting dicey these days...
20:19 < seninha> BadCoderFinger: it's an old thinkpad, it's replaceable
20:19 < BadCoderFinger> seninha:  Nice!
20:20 < BadCoderFinger> I love my thunkpad, heh
20:20 < thrig> glueram is even more fun to replace
20:20 < seninha> (and I happen to have a broken thinkpad with working ram around)
20:20 < sibiria> have you made sure it's not something simple like you running snapshots and latest update just messes everything up?
20:20 < BadCoderFinger> seninha:  Maybe replace it anyway, and run some compiles.  I'd still do memtest, because I'd have to know for sure.
20:20 < sibiria> what happens if you boot the ramdisk kernel?
20:21 < pardis> given the problem doesn't happen on boot, that is unlikely to reveal any useful information
20:27 < seninha> sibiria: i have not tried. I'm at sabia right now doing work. I will try BIOS' memtest and then try to boot bsd.rd after done work
20:27 < Bradipo> In other words, it's working now?
20:27 < seninha> Bradipo, yes. It is.
20:27 < Bradipo> At least until it happens again.
20:28 < seninha> Exactly...
20:28 < seninha> That never happened before.
20:28 < seninha> I am running snapshots, and have sysupgraded it right after that reboot
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20:30 < seninha> gonna do that now, brb
20:30 < oldlaptop> Could always just be those darned cosmic rays again
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20:31 < BadCoderFinger> oldlaptop:  I use that excuse at work, and they never believe me.
20:31 < BadCoderFinger> Then I find my bug, and quietly fix it...
20:31 < Bradipo> They do happen every once in a while.
20:31 < BadCoderFinger> I'd pay real money for a hurky laptop with a decent screen and ECC RAM...
20:34 < thrig> most consumers however want something affordable so glueram, spotty memory, and landfill bound after not too long
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20:34 < BadCoderFinger> thrig:  Yeah, sad times.
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20:38 < Bradipo> Seems not very affordable if one has to replace it so frequently.
20:38 < oldlaptop> Buy once, cry once, as they say
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20:39 < oldlaptop> except this is computers, ve don't "buy once" here'
20:40 < thrig> the vendors also like a lot of sales, so may not encourage systems that last for too long
20:40 < uwharrie> except for the ones that don't...they get labeled as overpriced
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20:45 < seninha> it's running the lenovo bios memory test, everything ok til now
20:52 < opv> how would i best go about getting openbsd utilities such as sed and awk onto a linux system?
20:52 < opv> thank you
20:53 < Bradipo> See if said (no pun intended) Linux system has a package for BSD utils or something?
20:53 < thrig> busybox or toybox might not be too terrible
20:54 < avemestr> opv: Grab the source from e.g. https://github.com/openbsd/src/tree/master/usr.bin/sed and attempt to build it on a linux system?
20:57 < dayid> In the 90s it was "buy a new computer every 2-3 years to keep up"
20:57 < seninha> Brian Callahan maintains some portable versions of openbsd utilities, like ksh(1), tar(1), etc
20:57 < thrig> in the 90s there were "wow!" speed increases going on. those kind of broke down somewhere in the mid 2000s
20:58 < dayid> Now even workstations for jobs are only replacing laptops at 3-5 year intervals. Hell, I still have 2013 macbooks that for all my uses don't feel any different than my fancy 2019 from-employer macbook
20:58 < seninha> opv: here https://github.com/ibara/baseutils
20:58 < oldlaptop> thrig: Apparently even intel cannae break the laws o' physics
20:58 < seninha> (ksh and tar are on other repositories)
20:58 < dayid> thrig: yeah, going from 200mhz to 1GHZ was way more interesting than from 1GHz to 3.
20:59 < oldlaptop> dayid: If not for the displays I'd wish they kept all the foo bridge thinkpads and latitudes
20:59 < oldlaptop> (Well, the displays and the ebay listings in AD 2023)
20:59 < dayid> You have no idea how much I long for some of my forgotten CRTs occasionally
20:59 < avemestr> Or 1) Intel just became complacent due to lack of competition from AMD 2) Intel saw ARM devices as the bigger threat, so everything became about reducing power usage.
21:00 < dayid> I had to lookup videos to discuss degaussing to my family the other week because none of them remembered why you didn't keep magnets near the TV
21:00 < thrig> some of that 90s stuff was pretty hot
21:00 < dayid> (as now my tv center has a very high powered magnet to "connect" the remote-control to --- which is *great* for not losing it in the couch!)
21:01 < thrig> you could also glue it to the coffee table
21:02  * oldlaptop probably does have some idea :(
21:02 < oldlaptop> avemestr: That explains *some* of the slowdown between 2010 and 2017 or so.
21:03 < oldlaptop> Not really any of it before 2010 - in fact the decade before that was the time during which AMD almost breached 50% of the commodity-junkbox market
21:04 < avemestr> True.
21:04 < oldlaptop> and even post-2020, going from 1GHz to 3 (bla bla bla can't compare clock rates bla bla) was probably still more interesting for a lot of purposes than going from two or four cores to eight or twelve
21:04 < oldlaptop> especially when (intel) they aren't all even the same anymore
21:05 < Bradipo> Sadly, I had to finally get rid of my Sony Wega (ca. 1999) flat CRT just a year ago.  It was heavy.
21:06 < thrig> my back does not miss moving fishbowls
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21:07 < Bradipo> I still think the color and image on the flat CRT was better than most flat panel TVs of today.
21:08 < oldlaptop> In terms of resolution it generally wasn't, but color rendering, contrast, angle sensitivity...
21:08 < Bradipo> Right, resolution was definitely not nearly competitive.
21:08 < oldlaptop> (Did anyone even need to talk about "black levels" before LCDs took over?)
21:09 < Bradipo> Precisely.
21:10 < Bradipo> "black levels" was the number one reason I held onto that flat CRT for so long.
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21:52 < solene> I'm currently having fine reimplementing something like Qubes OS on OpenBSD :D it starts to shape
21:53 < thrig> hopefully not lovecraftian
21:53 < solene> thrig: unfortunately not lovecraftian
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21:55 < seninha> back at sabiá, lenovo's memtest ran fine and bsd.rd could boot
21:55 < seninha> i'm out of ideas
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22:46 < riceandbeans> How is OpenBSD support of Xen?
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22:47 < Lucas6023> riceandbeans: how do you mean? it can run as a guest, I think it can't as a host
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22:48 < riceandbeans> Lucas6023: Because solene earlier talked about Qubes OS but OpenBSD, and IIRC, it's all Xen
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22:59 < oldlaptop> riceandbeans: I don't think solene's work involves xen at all
22:59 < oldlaptop> "something like Qubes", not Qubes
23:00 < oldlaptop> There's some PVHVM guest support (see e.g. https://man.openbsd.org/xen), but no pure-PV or dom0
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23:00 < oldlaptop> there once existed a patchset for full dom0 support a la netbsd, but nothing ever came of it
23:01 < oldlaptop> see https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2023-06-06-openkubsd-design.html
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23:24 < eea> OpenBSD LPAR!~@?
23:24 < eea> excellent work @solene
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23:30 < sibiria> it's an interesting approach. a bit heavy but the best choice given that openbsd's kernel has nothing like linux' namespaces and control groups 
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