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05:18 < Viking667> I'm having a small problem compiling a piece of code - it compiles fine over on Fedora (clang-7) but complains mightily on OpenBSD-7.2 (clang-13.0.0) - I'll have a pastebin post shortly.
05:24 < Viking667> Project's here: https://github.com/brickviking/list, I'm running make -f BSDMakefile from within the list/src directory, and the linker stage comes out with the errors in https://pastebin.com/t2UuaByT
05:25 < Viking667> I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong when the project appears to compile cleanly on clang under Fedora. Can someone help out?
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05:49 < Erhard> Looks like you either need to rename those variables in each file to have unique names (if you want them to be independent) (or declare them as static to each file)  or declare them as extern in all but the main definition.
05:49 < Erhard> There may be some preprocessor directives that are supposed to do this that work corectly in Fedora, but not OpenBSD.
05:50 < Viking667> *sigh*
05:51 < Viking667> the variables are all declared in list.h, which then gets #included for each file that needs it. I just tried extern int ruler; it puked.
05:51 < Viking667> brb
05:51 < Erhard> Weird that this would compile anywhere. I am not seeing any preprocessor directives that would make it work.
05:52 < Erhard> Ah. You need to set it up so it is delcared in one place. Everywhere else that uses it it would be extern
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05:53 < oldlaptop> normally one would have the definition in some particular C file, and an `extern` declaration in the header
05:53 < Erhard> LIke that
05:56 < Erhard> Good luck. I gotta step away.
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05:59 < Viking667> oldlaptop: for a variable, what's a "definition"? I understand the term for a function, but not a variable. How does that differ?
06:00 < Viking667> i.e. in the .h file, a var is "declared",    int bikie;   and defined in the .c file;    int bikie = 32;
06:00 < oldlaptop> int foo; // definition
06:00 < oldlaptop> extern int foo; // declaration - it's expected to be defined in another translation unit
06:00 < Viking667> Do I have that understanding right, at least?
06:00 < oldlaptop> It's not correct that a definition must have an initializer, though it certainly may.
06:01 < oldlaptop> int foo = 42; // also a definition
06:08 < oldlaptop> Incidentally, I get basically the same failure to link on the nearest linux system to hand here (which also doesn't compile without modification, it uses u_long without declaring it (at least at https://github.com/brickviking/list/blob/master/src/screen.c#L606)
06:09 < oldlaptop> I assume one of the other system headers happens to transitively includes sys/types.h on glibc and openbsd's libc, but not on musl (which is libc on the nearest linux system to hand here)
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06:21 < IcePic> Viking667: a definition tells the compiler what type the var has, which means you can compile a function that takes, or returns, or uses such a var in the code. An initialization of a var makes actual space for such a var and names it, and perhaps a preset value for it.
06:22 < IcePic> Viking667: so .h files often have definitions, but not initializations of vars (or structs or arrays) so that including a .h file doesn't eat memory/space, but allows functions to know about a type of variable so your program can call a function using it
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06:36 < Viking667> Hm, so I can't make them extern in the .h file, things blow up with undefined reference to ruler (or debug or WhyReason) in whichever.o file.
06:37 < Viking667> Interestingly, both clang and gcc now have the same error.
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06:37 < IcePic> no, externs usually go in the .c file, and it will be referenced by some other .c or .o file which has the actual initialized space for it
06:37 < Viking667> Argle.
06:38 < Viking667> so if I want a global int, that's shared around multiple *.c files, I can't make it extern in the header file.
06:39 < IcePic> you should be able to have "extern int foo;" in a .h
06:40 < IcePic> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1433204/how-do-i-use-extern-to-share-variables-between-source-files
06:40 < Viking667> That's where I'm getting confused. I just did that, but the compiler blows up
06:42 < IcePic> Viking667: can you pastebin a small reproducer?
06:42 < Viking667> Not yet, I'm still getting my head around that so.com post.
06:43 < Viking667> I'll be back, I've got some other stuff going on here. Thanks for the help.
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06:50 < oldlaptop> If *all* you have is `extern int foo;` in a header, there won't be a definition anywhere, and it won't work. Exactly as though you only ever had `int foo();` in a header, with no definition.
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06:59 < Viking667> I'll go correct that u_long issue, that one I think I can understand. I might need a typedef if u_long hasn't turned up by the time I need it.
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07:11 < xtile> Viking667: Could just use "unsigned long" right?
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07:11 < xtile> If it's not too long to type.
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07:14 < IcePic> xtile: could be some other code wanting that name for unsigned long. Prefeably one would use the uint64_t from types.h for new code, so that the real size is specified for making the code portable
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07:36 < Viking667> Given this code was originally written back in 1997 when I could barely get C90 status, I wasn't aiming at C11 status at that time.
07:37 < Viking667> even C99 wasn't quite released.
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10:17 < prahou> hello, how could one automatically execute a script after a machine wakes up from zzz(8)?
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10:26 < sibiria> man apmd
10:31 < prahou> got it, cheers, sibiria 
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11:14 < Viking667> Ah, that's right. Something I forgot to ask. Does clang come as part of base?
11:15 < Viking667> Or if not, what would I have done to get it installed here on OpenBSD?
11:16 < xtile> Yes, Clang is the default C compiler, Viking667
11:16 < xtile> On the architecture I use, at least.
11:16 < Viking667> xtile: that's not quite the question I was asking.
11:16 < xtile> It comes with the OS...
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11:16 < brocashelm> i'm on 7.3-current and yes, clang is mentioned there in inxi
11:16 < xtile> unless you intentionally choose not to include it during install
11:16 < Viking667> That's the question I was asking.
11:16 < Viking667> thank you. 
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11:36 < Viking667> And I seem to have fixed the problem I was having with compiling. It seems that if I add -fcommon to the compile args things work better
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11:46 < xtile> If you're going for maximum portability, see if things compile when you use "c99" as the compiler name, rather than "cc", on OSes which have it, Viking667.
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11:47 < Viking667> Yup, that was going to be my next step...
11:47 < Viking667> After all I want it to be compilable under Minix too.
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11:48 < xtile> I mention it because using "c99" as a compiler name will deprive you of -fcommon
11:49 < IcePic> Viking667: some openbsd platforms will still have gcc for system compiler
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11:50 < Viking667> The last time I was on one of those, OpenBSD 3.7 was a thing.
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11:55 < Viking667> Sorry, I have it wrong, might have been 3.9
11:56 < Viking667> Anyhow, it's getting late here, I must leave.
11:56 < Viking667> xtile: which means I need to solve the problem that I needed -fcommon for to begin with. Sigh.
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11:58 < Viking667> heh. Does "sudo telinit 1" still work on OpenBSD machines?
11:59 < Viking667> or was that only really a SysVinit thing?
12:07  * Viking667 disapparates
12:07 < IcePic> that was sysv
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13:10 < solene> it seems the default /usr/src size of 3 GB isn't enough anymore for the git checkout
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13:13 < phy1729> My checkout is 3.8G, so probably hasn't been enough for a while
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13:17 < cpet> I still use CVS 
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13:18 < solene> cpet: what's the size of the cvs checkout?
13:19 < cpet> Around 2.8
13:19 < cpet> Never liked git, and don't see why we have to have CVS and git and netbsd even has a hg server 
13:20 < cpet> And I'll pick hg over git 
13:20 < solene> I use it sometimes, because updating it and running diff on the whole tree doesn't take 1h
13:20  * IcePic liked svn
13:20 < cpet> Cause git is full of git 
13:20 < cpet> I did too 
13:20 < cpet> I personally use fossil for my personal stuff 
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13:21 < cpet> Stay as far away from git as I can which is hard as the whole world uses the git 
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13:23 < solene> anyway, this mean /usr/src default size is too small now
13:23 < phy1729> I put src in my home and set BSDSRCDIR in /etc/mk.conf
13:24 < cpet> When I used to work on E on freebsd I would submit patches from my fossil repo and upset the dev as it didn't have the git ext 
13:24 < cpet> Think the official version control is still CVS so those 800 mb is enough free space 
13:25 < solene> cpet: default /usr/src size is 1.5GB - 3GB, so if it takes around 2.8 GB with CVS, I wonder how you have 800 MB left
13:25 < IcePic> I think my /usr/src is about 1.5G on one of my VMs, without objects, those are some 2.5G in /usr/obj
13:26 < cpet> Auto sizing is based on a percentage which can be changed using a template 
13:26 < solene> cpet: i'm talking about the default, it should work out of the box for everyone
13:26 < IcePic> git is not default
13:26 < cpet> Not if you have a 20g vm
13:26 < IcePic> so if cvs works, then "it works"
13:26 < cpet> See IcePic knows 
13:27 < solene> IcePic: yeah, but if it's really tight, it might be good to bump for ~300MB
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13:27 < IcePic> df -h /usr/src                                                                                                                     
13:27 < solene> I've been told a bit crazy when I bumped /usr/local to 20 GB a few years ago, but it's really not a luxury nowadays :D
13:27 < IcePic> Filesystem     Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
13:27 < IcePic> /dev/sd0i      1.9G    1.5G    349M    82%    /usr/src
13:27 < solene> thanks IcePic <3
13:27 < IcePic> not a lot of room for mistakes with "make obj" there. ;)
13:28 < IcePic> while I might not be speaking for obsd in any official form, I know the hearts of grumpy old admins, so I am qualified to speak as one.
13:29 < solene> IcePic: obj should go to /usr/obj right?
13:29 < IcePic> solene: yes, but you must run "make obj" at least once for those softlinks to appear in the src/ tree, and the corresponding dirs to be made under /usr/obj
13:30 < IcePic> (and 'make obj' every time a new dir is created in the src tree)
13:30 < IcePic> but its kind of neat that you can have lots of diff. machines mount the src tree over nfs, and each one has its own /usr/obj to populate, but the src update can be done once in a single place for all your boxes if you want
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13:32 < xtile> Even a few years ago when I tried to build OpenBSD from source, from source tarballs, the default partitions weren't big enough for it.
13:32 < xtile> It's unfortunate.
13:32 < xtile> The OS should be able to compile itself in a default install
13:35 < cpet> solene: going to submit a PR or just leave it here ?
13:35 < phy1729> That means you have to exclude systems with smaller disks
13:35 < xtile> phy1729: Those could be non-default installs ;)
13:36 < xtile> Unix isn't an embedded OS, it's a full-featured one.
13:36 < cpet> Vms are non default installs 
13:36 < xtile> I appreciate how the BSDs, including OpenBSD, are not minimalist.
13:36 < cpet> OpenBsd is to an extent 
13:37 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD has probably the largest base system of the four-ish major ones.
13:37 < xtile> I disagree, OpenBSD comes with so much useful stuff by default.  I'm often frustrated when I tell someone to compile something, and it turns out he's on Debian or something and he's missing every tool needed to compile.
13:37 < oldlaptop> NetBSD is close, I think
13:37 < xtile> disagree with openbsd being to an extent minimal, that is
13:38 < solene> cpet: a PR? o_O
13:38 < oldlaptop> FreeBSD is the 'minimal' one in this sense, the base system not being much more than the bare minimum to self-host (then again, you're complaining about a default debian installation not even being enough to self-host)
13:39 < solene> cpet: there is nothing to change because it's working fine with CVS with plenty of room
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13:40 < cpet> Why are people so scared to submit a PR and have it closed or rejected always puzzled me 
13:40 < cpet> I'll do it later then 
13:41 < solene> cpet: you don't do PR on OpenBSD, that's all
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13:41 < solene> you can submit patches
13:41 < cpet> So you don't do problem reports on OpenBsd 
13:41 < solene> oh, PR as Problem Report
13:42 < cpet> Ok cool so all the times I asked oldlaptop to fix the web site was not a pr
13:42 < solene> I'm too used to read it as Pull Request
13:42 < oldlaptop> ...why in tarnation would you ask me to fix the web site?
13:42 < cpet> Typos issues shit I've done it various times in the past hah
13:43 < oldlaptop> Perhaps I'm not who you think I am, or something
13:43 < IcePic> I read it as pull-req too, especially since it started about git
13:43 < cpet> Denial of being who you say you are ?
13:44 < oldlaptop> ...?
13:44 < cpet> solene: don't use git, don't use GitHub, don't submit pull requests or anything git in it 
13:44 < solene> I don't really care about the size of /usr/src to be honest, because I have to use cvs for committing anyway
13:44 < IcePic> the saddest part is that GH-using people seldom accept diffs at all. 8-(
13:45 < oldlaptop> IcePic: Bitterly ironic that one of git's author's explicit requirement is (or at least was at one time) that it work cleanly with emailed patches
13:45 < cpet> oldlaptop: it's ok 
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13:45 < oldlaptop> *requirements
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13:45 < phy1729> it still does git format-patch/send-email/am
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13:46 < phy1729> IcePic: like sysclean? /s
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13:46 < zelest> GH is owned by Microsoft, that's reason enough to not use it. :P
13:47 < IcePic> phy1729 is putting the asm back into sarc-asm
13:47 < solene> I'm trying to figure how to add the IP of a failed authentication in smtpd logging, it's not as easy as I thought :(
13:47 < solene> using fail2ban on a multiline regex doesn't seem reliable
13:47 < solene> there is no guarantee about the ordering
13:47 < zelest> pf tables works ;)
13:47 < zelest> they're not worth your bandwidth
13:48 < solene> zelest: there are many IP doing a connection every minute each, how do you block them?
13:48 < solene> my issue is that I can't parse maillog for that task
13:49 < phy1729> pf.conf max-src-conn-rate with overload?
13:50 < solene> phy1729: I don't like max-src-conn-rate because this always block legitimate traffic
13:50 < solene> I just found mail/opensmtpd-filters, there is a lot of choice there :D
13:50 < zelest> oh yeah
13:50 < zelest> the logging is a bit annoying for that
13:50 < zelest> a report filter would be best i think
13:53 < zelest> cat /var/log/maillog | grep -B2 auth | grep ' conn' | grep -oE '[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+' | sort -u
13:53 < zelest> that *almost* works :D
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13:53 < zelest> just hope someone legit doesn't happen to connect at the righ^Wwrong time. :P
13:53 < solene> zelest: yes, this is not reliable
13:53 < zelest> mhm
13:54 < phy1729> do you have a sample log? Seems doable with awk
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13:55 < solene> phy1729: there is no guarantee that lines are ordered, because the rejected login is on a different line than the IP display, you can't associate them reliably
13:55 < solene> and there is no identifier shared between the lines
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13:57 < zelest> for hash in $(grep -e auth.*permfail /var/log/maillog | awk '{ print $6 }' | sort -u); do grep "$hash smtp connected" /var/log/maillog | grep -oE '[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+' ; done
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13:57 < oldlaptop> maybe worth a patch? :|
13:57 < zelest> and change the regex for IPv6 support :)
13:58 < solene> zelest: I won't use that, it's not reliable
13:58 < zelest> it is
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13:58 < zelest> not efficient though
13:58 < solene> zelest: what if 2 clients connect at the same time?
13:58 < solene> one log in correctly, and the other doesn't
13:59 < zelest> still works
13:59 < zelest> it uses the hash/token/id
13:59 < zelest> first fetch all hashes that were blocked/banned
13:59 < solene> aw, that huge thing before the line is the ID
13:59 < solene> I didn't notice it! =D
13:59 < zelest> ugly but works :D
13:59 < solene> it's perfect then, I can use fail2ban
13:59 < solene> -_-
13:59 < zelest> lol
13:59 < solene> and write a blog post about it
13:59 < zelest> \o/
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14:01 < phy1729> Judging from that line   awk '/ smtp connected / { ips[$1]=$4; }; /auth.*permfail/ { print $ip[$6]; }'
14:01 < phy1729> er ips[$6]
14:02 < zelest> Jun 21 15:50:58 sulaco smtpd[25447]: 3785d6b0eceefeca smtp connected address=1.3.3.7 host=<unknown>
14:02 < zelest> that's how the connect line looks like
14:03 < zelest> and a few sec later:
14:03 < zelest> Jun 21 16:00:55 sulaco smtpd[25447]: 3785d6b0eceefeca smtp authentication user=luser result=permfail
14:03 < zelest> (ignore the dates, I copied different sessions)
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14:08 < phy1729> awk '/ smtp connected /{ ips[$6]=substr($9, 9) }; / smtp authentication / && /result=permfail/ { print ips[$6] }'
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14:14 < CosmicDJ> even better, you could teach sshguard how to parse those lines :) https://bitbucket.org/sshguard/sshguard/src/6ef7d7d0cf914b945ececf45bf15b78270aaf755/src/parser/attack_scanner.l#lines-318
14:16 < CosmicDJ> but I guess that will never happen, multi-line parsing is just too hard https://bitbucket.org/sshguard/sshguard/issues/127/opensmtpd-smtp-auth-failure-pattern
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14:20 < phy1729> oh right if you want to only output an IP once   awk '/ smtp connected /{ ips[$6]=substr($9, 9) }; / smtp authentication / && /result=permfail/ && !seen[ips[$6]]++ { print ips[$6] }
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14:35 < cpet> Ssh guard is stupid when you have the pf line that does it 
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14:39  * oldlaptop prefers to leave auto-blocking stuff off and think of it as DoS-ing the password-guessing bots
14:39 < oldlaptop> Imagine all the time they waste failing cipher negotiation over and over again!
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14:40 < thrig> imagine how they don't care because they have a billion hacked windows boxen to use
14:40 < oldlaptop> :(
14:40 < oldlaptop> See, I prefer not to think about that part
14:41 < Bradipo> What would be better is to stutter the negotiations ala spamd(8).
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14:42 < Bradipo> Pity spamd(8) doesn't have an SSH negotiation mode.
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14:42 < oldlaptop> I wonder if that's a hazard insofar as the things you'd use to identify them might be things you'd prefer not to leak
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14:43 < thrig> user account enumeration is also an attack
14:43 < oldlaptop> e.g. if attempting to login as root or a bogus username always results in stuttering, a "real" attacker could use that to... yeah
14:43 < Bradipo> Oh, I wasn't talking about getting down to the authentication phase.
14:43 < oldlaptop> Or to figure out which ciphers you have enabled, say, if you stutter on cipher-negotiation failure
14:43 < Bradipo> I was thinking more of greylisting SSH connections.
14:44 < oldlaptop> N failures -> stutter mode?
14:44 < Bradipo> Or perhaps that, yes.
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14:44 < Bradipo> I do use pf to block flurries of SSH connections.
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14:45 < Bradipo> But I don't even allow password authentication on my public facing SSH server, so they can try all they want.
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14:46 < oldlaptop> Yeah, more seriously I don't see it as worth the trouble if passwords are disabled anyway
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14:46 < oldlaptop> at best it's a waste of my time, at worst one can imagine far-fetched scenarios in which the fail2banning is extra attack surface that matters
14:47 < thrig> fail2ban has had a bunch of CVEs (my version lacked those CVEs)
14:47 < oldlaptop> And it stops me reading through the logs and laughing at them for failing cipher negotiation 42 times in a row
14:48 < Bradipo> I'm curious how you have them wasting time on cipher negotiation...
14:48 < thrig> they might use libssh which canna do the modern fancy last I looked
14:50 < oldlaptop> Bradipo: I sometimes see bots try connecting over and over again, with each attempt failing because they only advertise ciphers openssh has had disabled by default for years
14:51 < Bradipo> Oh, I see, you haven't done anything explicit, just rely on the fact that OpenSSH has disabled older ciphers?
14:51 < oldlaptop> presumably they don't bother to distinguish between failed-for-wrong-password and failed-because-our-sucky-bot-uses-ancient-ciphers
14:51 < oldlaptop> Just so
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15:16 < solene> meh, no fail2ban in OpenBSD :D
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15:20 < solene> awk / smtp connected /{ ips[$6]=substr($9, 9) }; / smtp authentication / && /result=permfail/ { seen[ips[$6]]++ } END { for(ip in seen) { print ip" failed "seen[ip]" times" }} /var/log/maillog
15:21 < solene> this display how many times an IP failed, so a threshold can be put to block if seen > n times
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15:45 < phy1729> solene: if you have a limit in mind,    awk -v limit=13 '/ smtp connected /{ ips[$6]=substr($9, 9) }; / smtp authentication / && /result=permfail/ && ++seen[ips[$6]] == limit { print ips[$6] }'
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15:48 < solene> phy1729: I don't find this really readable IMO
15:48 < solene> I'm not paying more to add a dozen characters
15:49 < solene> I made a nice script around that, I'm going to share it in a blog post :)
15:50 < phy1729> My preference is to use one tool and avoid additional forks if I can, but my preferences aren't your preferences.
15:50 < solene> I'm still using awk, but I prefer to display in an END block
15:51 < solene> then you need to integrate this to pfctl, and also set expiracy, and even better if you can have an ignore list to not be blocked
15:51 < phy1729> Oh I thought you were parsing after the awk
15:51 < solene> nope ^^
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15:53 < solene> phy1729: https://privatebin.net/?51b47f587992c92a#G7LaxogP5UY3tHV1UTcXRLTzUWcHrLtzcDMtihm8Gkdv
15:54 < solene> I still need to add ignore list support
15:54 < solene> but that's easy
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15:59 < phy1729> It's probably ok here, but I'd personally never use xargs without -0 because it has weird ideas about how to parse things.
16:01 < solene> phy1729: right, maybe using print ip"\0" should work to make it compatible with xargs -0
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16:01 < phy1729> yeah that'd be fine
16:02 < solene> that doesn't seem to be so easy unfortunately
16:02 < solene> I need to investigate
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18:03 < sh1n> Hello, does anyone know how to configure a specific keyboard for xf86keys? I have a ThinkPad x61 and there are some keys that are not recognized with xev when I try to use Fn-F2 for example.
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18:06 < jcs> those do not generate key events, you'd need to modify acpithinkpad to make them do stuff
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18:07 < oldlaptop> Fn and F2 should at least emit the keycodes for Fn and F2 (I believe Fn shows up as XF86Wakeup or something)
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18:16 < oldlaptop> (ah, only when pressed separately?)
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18:39 < xse> have not seen the acpithinkpad code but for brightness keys for example an easier way might be listening for those randr xcb events
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18:40 < xse> like XCB_RANDR_NOTIFY_MASK_OUTPUT_PROPERTY (no clue if that actually triggers)
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18:44 < sh1n> oldlaptop: Yeah, it should but it doesn't show anything on xev. But I get some input only if I keep pressing Fn. 
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18:45 < sh1n> jcs: I will take a look to acpithinkpad. Thanks. 
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18:46 < sh1n> xse: Fortunately the brightness just works without any configuration. I'm only having trouble with Fn-F2 and the single mute button next the volume buttons.
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18:55 < xse> yeah brightness works here but don't generate keyboard events, i have a couple of those fn combination that both don't work and are not seen in xev too, one of the two mute buttons does this
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22:09 < mystic> hello guys. Anyone know if any pdf reader on openbsd supports DRM ?
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22:13 < fro> probably
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22:19 < mystic> DRM I mean Digital Rights Management and not Direct Rendering
22:20 < seninha> mystic: iirc calibre features a drm remover (or has a drm remover plugin, idk)
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22:26 < mystic> seninha: as I know I have to download the key from an other software not supported on openbsd to remove drm with calibre plugin. For example to get the key for amazon ebooks I have to install kindle app on windows and get the key. 
22:28 < pardis> well, duh, it wouldn't be very effective DRM if the key were in open-source software
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22:29 < mystic> pardis: but linux supports drm even if it's open source...
22:30 < pardis> I would be very surprised if Linux itself supported DRM
22:30 < pardis> if you have a particular software package on Linux that supports the DRM you need, perhaps try building that on OpenBSD
22:30 < quinq> Linux has Direct Rendering Manager yes
22:31 < fro> heh
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