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01:54 < jordanreger> hey there, i'm installing on my dell inspiron 15 and i am following [this guide](https://romanzolotarev.com/openbsd/install.html)'s instructions to install. i ran the dd command shown there, and it's been running for quite some time - as in ~20 minutes. it *is* a 500gb disk, so i've been patient, but is there anything i need to worry about?
01:56 < unthrig> openbsd ain't known for blazin' I/O saddles
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01:57 < tommyrot> yes, why are you using a guide instead of the official INSTALL and or FAQ?
01:57 < tommyrot> that would be my biggest worry
01:57 < jordanreger> what about the 3.6 art?!
01:59 < jordanreger> also i am, but following it resulted in it erroring out and saying not enough space, or something along those lines, and rebooting
02:00 < jordanreger> so i just got a second opinion, if you will
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02:35 < jbauer> Is the disk a 500GB 5400RPM HDD? If so, yeah it's normal for it to take about that long I think
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03:48 < caze> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/rsd0c bs=1m
03:48 < caze> Seems unnecessary.
03:50 < thrig> encrypted disk entropy thing
03:51 < caze> Yeah, decide if you need an encrypted disk first before following that guide.
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09:50 < tercaL> Good morning everyone.
09:50 < tercaL> In PF configuration, generally, should "antispoof quick" rule come before "match in all scrub (no-df random-id)", or after?
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10:52 < taleon> tercaL: How many NICs do you manage via pf.conf on this system?
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10:53 < taleon> antispoof only makes sense if you use more than one NIC.
10:54 < taleon> However, antispoof comes after the match rule.
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13:22 < lts> AFAIK uRPF can be used in place of antispoof https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#urpf , also encouraged by https://openbsdrouterguide.net/
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13:29 < IcePic> lts: they are slightly different, antispoof is simpler and faster and only considers the networks directly attached to your interfaces, whereas rpf also looks up any listed networks in your routing tables, which takes time
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14:00 < rjc> hello, quick question about pax/tar, bar using GNU tar's -O, is there a way to redirect a content of a file to extract to STDOUT on vanilla OpenBSD? all in a pipe like so:
14:01 < rjc> zstdcat foo | tar xf -
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14:02 < rjc> essentially, what i'm after is skipping the 'extract bar file from the archive' part - i'd like it to go straight to stdout so that i can process the content further with sed, awk, etc.
14:04 < sibiria> tried setting output to '-'?
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14:05 < quinq> I think that the question is how to do that :)
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14:06 < rjc> -f - is either input or output, depending on whether you're using c or x
14:10 < rjc> i'm running debian/ubuntu repository on openbsd, with httpd, and i've reimplemented dpkg-scanpackages (at least the functionality required to create the Packages{,.gz} files) - all in /bin/sh with base tools only
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14:11 < rjc> now what i'm trying to do is to minimise files written to disk when extracting archives
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14:14 < sibiria> i don't think you can with openbsd's flavor of tar
14:15 < sibiria> it doesn't have the @file thing that netbsd and freebsd has
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14:22 < rjc> yeah, i thought someone might have found a clever way to do it - oh well, saving a file it is
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14:24 < pardis> ln -s /dev/stdout path/to/file/you/are/extracting
14:25 < pardis> ah, doesn't actually work, tar replaces the symlink
14:25 < pardis> shame
14:25 < sibiria> would also be annoying if the archive contained multiple files
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14:26 < sibiria> Someone(tm) should just bless openbsd tar with -O option
14:26 < sibiria> theo will of course verbally bodyslam whoever commits the change, but eventually he'll give in to reason
14:27 < BadCoderFinger> rjc:  If you're trying to extract a subset of files:  zstd -vvdc archive.tar.zst | tar xf - path/to/file
14:27 < pardis> that is not the goal
14:28 < BadCoderFinger> Ah, ok
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14:34 < ovalenti> Hello! Reading the man page for usb led me to think that each /dev/usb* represents a bus (127 potential devices). ugen* is not indexed by bus number; would this mean that devices have a "global" address ? (sorry for the potentially dumb question, but re-reading the man did not light my bulb :D ) (I also hope that the NickServ did not have me spam 3 times the channel :-/)
14:35 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/extract_file_from_tar.txt
14:36 < sibiria> as a bonus Archive::Tar is one of perl's standard modules
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14:37 < pardis> makes one wonder why base needs any binaries other than /usr/bin/prel
14:37 < pardis> or even /usr/bin/perl
14:38 < sibiria> similar inventions have been made, like that OS whatsitsname that is built on and around Lua
14:39 < thrig> unless you're running an OpenBSD with perl 5.8 or lower
14:39 < thrig> in which case, uh, upgrade?
14:40 < GnarledHorn> ovalenti: Does man 8 usbdevs help you? The ugen man page explains that device nodes are addressed within the bus, etc
14:40 < GnarledHorn> you'll see the output includes the full device address and the associated root hub
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14:45 < ovalenti> GnarledHorn: thanks for the usbdevs pointer. Unfortunately, it does not solve my question. It might be very simple, but since I have only 1 USB controller, I fail to verify my understanding. Example: with 2 controllers and 2 devices on each, would the devices'addresses be 1,2 and 3,4 ? or 1,2 and 1,2 ?
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14:47 < GnarledHorn> Controller 1, addr 01 and addr 02, controller 2 and addr 01 addr 02
14:47 < GnarledHorn> Again, you can verify this with the output of `usbdevs`
14:47 < GnarledHorn> When I run it on my system, I see an example of exactly that case
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15:26 < ovalenti> GnarledHorn: ok, addresses are scoped within their controller. What I do not understand is the mapping from the minor to the controller. The rightmost 4 bits are for the endpoint, and "rest of the bits determine which usb device". But that is only 4 bits left, when 7 would be just enough for all devices of one controller.
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15:34 < ovalenti> GnarledHorn: the truth might lay around here https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/68bf1f355161f2b0965917a49d678e7cb89e287a/sys/dev/usb/ugen.c#L121
15:35 < ovalenti> Indeed, it could be that only usb0 is addressable through ugen (and only the 16 first devices) ?
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15:37 < ovalenti> oh my, the ugen device is allocated just for the orphan devices... I am so dumb; sorry for the noise GnarledHorn !
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15:46 < GnarledHorn> Glad you solved your mystery!
15:50 < ovalenti> GnarledHorn: I come from linux... so I am not used to search for the simple answer :D (works like charm now, by the way :thumb_up:)
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19:21 < SamuelMarks> hi
19:21 < SamuelMarks> Ooooft, it was introdudced in OpenBSD 2.9
19:24 < thrig> which: it: Command not found.
19:26 < apotheon> thrig: `man it` yields useful results for me
19:26 < thrig> The it driver first appeared in OpenBSD 3.4.
19:26 < apotheon> NAME it – ITE IT87xxF and SiS SiS950 temperature, voltage, and fan sensor with watchdog timer
19:27 < apotheon> ohh, you checked 2.9, I guess
19:27 < apotheon> What's an ooooft?
19:28 < apotheon> man: No entry for ooooft in the manual.
19:28 < thrig> that part was obvious?
19:28 < apotheon> um
19:28 < apotheon> Was it?
19:28 < pardis> man: No entry for hi in the manual.
19:28 < pardis> just covering all the bases
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19:29 < apotheon> Isn't "hi" just the diminutive of "HELO"?
19:29 < apotheon> a diminutive
19:30 < thrig> funny way to spell EHLO
19:30 < apotheon> the other is 'lo
19:30 < apotheon> thrig: yes it is
19:30 < pardis> pretty sure lo(4) pre-dates OpenBSD 2.9 by at least a decade
19:34 < SamuelMarks> apotheon: strvis see vis(3), I'm porting those functions
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19:38 < SamuelMarks> from libbsd, see my github
19:38 < SamuelMarks> anyway it's a WiP
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19:59 < oldlaptop> I guess the channel should feel touched that we're all assumed to be obsessively following someone's private thoughts(?)
20:00  * oldlaptop unobtrusively adjusts the curtain to better cover the illuminati mind control machine
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20:09 < BadCoderFinger> oldlaptop:  Darn it, I was using that!
20:10  * solene is wearing good'old Magneto's helmet
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20:55 < olk> hey, I was reading jcs' old artice on openbsd on framework, and I noticed this minimal music player he was using: https://jcs.org/images/2021-08-06-screen-1500x1125.jpg, window in the lower right corner. anyone here knows what's that player?
20:56 < oldlaptop> that appears to be the logo for https://openports.pl/path/meta/audacious
20:57  * oldlaptop is more of an mpd partisan, personally
20:58 < olk> thanks a lot, was googling open source music players interfaces for 10 minutes before writing here and receiving an answer instantly
20:58 < oldlaptop> rather hard to put a screenshot into google
20:59 < oldlaptop> scrolling through https://openports.pl/cat/audio might be a better plan :)
20:59 < pardis> Google reverse image search will let you select a part of an image to search for these days
20:59 < oldlaptop> Oooh.
20:59 < olk> yeah, I tried using google lens to identify the player, but it would just search for tracks in the picture
21:00  * oldlaptop wonders how well it does on just the logo
21:01 < tommyrot> that's audacious
21:01 < olk> yeah, thanks. lol
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21:01 < olk> and the wm?
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21:02 < oldlaptop> Probably cwm?
21:02 < oldlaptop> tricky thing with minimal wms, they don't look like anything
21:02 < olk> thought so too. you can use bars with cwm?
21:02 < tommyrot> is cwm tiling?
21:03 < olk> ofc
21:03 < tommyrot> ok
21:03  * oldlaptop would... not call what cwm does "tiling"
21:03 < pardis> cwm is not tiling at all
21:05 < olk> then I confused it with something else, sorry tommyrot
21:05 < oldlaptop> I don't think it even has kwin-like (in turn windows-7-like) "quick tiling" (where there exists some mouse gesture or keyboard command to snap a normally-floating window to one side/corner of the screen), though I'll admit to not being immersed in cwm commands
21:06 < oldlaptop> (someday rsdadowski@ may get kwin back in ports...)
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22:16 < tercaL> Have been reading /var/log/messages file and catched lines like; "dhcpleased[73932]: sendto: Permission denied" - and I suspect my PF configuration is guilty. What would you suggest to check? Does "sendto" refer a specific UDP/TCP port?
22:17 < tercaL> *from dhcpleased
22:18 < thrig> dhcp tends to use UDP
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22:20 < tercaL> thrig: UDP/port 67?
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22:36 < sibiria> port 67 and 68
22:37 < sibiria> server listens on 67, client on 68
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22:54 < tercaL> sibiria: I just added those ports in my pf.conf file and it seems that's solved now, thank you. In the same file, I have too many lines as; "unwind[72140]: validation failure <99.74.250.142.in-addr.arpa. PTR IN>: No DNSKEY record for key in-addr.arpa. while building chain of trust" do you think this is also related
22:55 < tercaL> related to PF blocking something else too?
22:56 < sibiria> looks like DNSSEC
22:57 < sibiria> i don't know if unwind will update its trust anchor automatically. you may need to download/update it yourself
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23:48 < riceandbeans> anyone around
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23:49 < riceandbeans> my box died and i am trying to recover
23:49 < riceandbeans> blew a breaker and an unclean shutdown made the disk unhappy
23:50 < riceandbeans> i don't know what minimal thing i am in now but it doesnt even have less which is annoying
23:50 < riceandbeans> need to fsck and pray
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23:52 < riceandbeans> i think i might have just recovered /var
23:52 < sibiria> that's what you have to do
23:52 < sibiria> fsck all the things
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23:52 < sibiria> then have a look-see in lost+found to see if you can identify something important
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23:52 < riceandbeans> the worst is i use dvorak
23:53 < riceandbeans> so i was like god how do i type wsconsctl with qwerty on my dvorak keyboard
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23:55 < riceandbeans> is it too much to ask that less be in that system?
23:57 < riceandbeans> ok that worked
23:58 < riceandbeans> only var had bugs
23:59 < riceandbeans> fuck
23:59 < riceandbeans> whatever is in lost and found references a lot of libs
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