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00:57 < mmoreno80> hi! having a problem with relink. Don't know why, but the /usr/share/relink/kernel/{GENERIC,GENERIC.MP} are empty and relinking always fail (sometimes with the sha256, sometimes with `make newbsd` not found). How do I reinstall those kernels? 
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01:09 < thrig> did the disk run out of space and/or inodes
01:10 < mmoreno80> thrig: not at all.
01:11 < mmoreno80> both inodes/space are fine. 
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02:16 < gnute> hello, I am new to bsd world. I have a simple home network, a dchp router with one PC and a 1u rack server running openbsd. Can someone explain a PF rule that I can use on the server so that it is only accessible locally from the PC? I don’t want it to accept any outside connections. Perhaps set it to only accept ssh from the local IP of my PC?
02:16 < gnute> Any advice would be helpful, thanks
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02:17 < thrig> does the server use dhcp to get an address? does the router do NAT?
02:19 < gnute> the server does use DHCP to get an address, I believe the router has nat ability - i can check
02:29 < gnute> hah I'm gonna have to reset the router, I've forgotten the admin login credentials
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03:07 < darwin> does OpenBSD or packages/ports have any type of locate (mlocate,slocate,etc.) command available to install? (locates files and you update the database with updatedb)
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03:08 < oldlaptop> Are you talking about https://man.openbsd.org/locate ?
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03:12 < darwin> yes
03:14 < oldlaptop> Then I suppose that's your answer
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03:42 < darwin> thanks
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03:52 < brocashelm> what's a command i can use to manipulate the volume mixer icon for sndio? to increase/decrease volume or mute/unmute?
03:53 < thrig> sndioctl
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06:31 < sdk_> icon?
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07:01 < kodcode> Good morning.
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07:05 < seninha> kodcode, morning
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07:33 < seninha> hi, it's my fourth attempt to install OpenBSD on a vmm and it always gets stalled when installing the base73.tgz
07:33 < seninha> i tried to install the sets from http and from disk, two times each
07:34 < seninha> it has been stalled for 10 minutes https://ttm.sh/BCx.png
07:34 < seninha> and it's always on base73.tgz
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07:36 < seninha> i'm installing from install73.img 
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07:41  * seninha tries harder, for the fifth time
07:41 < sdk_> seninha: is that 1.3GB space you have there?
07:42 < seninha> sdk_: yes, that's the install73.img disk; i'm installing on a 64G qcow2 disk
07:42 < sdk_> ah right.
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07:44 < seninha> Progress! (it is stalling at man73.tgz now)
07:44 < seninha> https://ttm.sh/BC-.png
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07:46 < lts> How much space are you giving each partition?
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07:48 < seninha> lts: i'm using the automatic partitioning
07:49 < seninha> lemme check
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07:49 < seninha> i `vmctl stop -f`'d the vm
07:50 < seninha> so no idea how much it was
07:50 < seninha> but the automatic layout should give enough space for each partition on a 64G disk (i chose to use the [w]hole disk)
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07:52 < seninha> gonna perform the 6th try later. I have already (1) reinstalled, (2) rebooted the vm, (3) redownloaded install73.img, (4) restarted vmd daemon
07:56  * seninha reboots the host now
07:56 < seninha> brb
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08:42 < seninha> weee!! https://ttm.sh/BRQ.png
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08:46 < seninha>  / is 1G, that's the smallest partition set by the automatic partitioning
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08:52 < sdk_> that's plenty.
08:54 < lts> Also not where the installer is unpacking the sets
08:55 < lts> Sounds more like some other issue with the drive than running out of disk, though. Otherwise it should always hit in the same spot
08:56 < sdk_> how's the network setup?
08:56 < mischief> looks like relayd can listen on some address. can it listen on a dynamic wan ip somehow?
08:57 < seninha> sdk_, it is installing the sets from the install73.img disk, network should not be causing trouble here
08:58 < sdk_> true
08:59 < seninha> lts: you mean an issue with the vmm driver?
09:00 < lts> My first guess would be with the underlying disk
09:00 < seninha> disk.qcow2 or my physical hdd?
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09:02 < seninha> but it's really weird, i have installed a debian vm another day and was using it with no issue
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09:03 < lts> Can you show your vm.conf please?
09:03 < seninha> lts: ok
09:03 < seninha> just a sec
09:05 < seninha> https://ttm.sh/BRF.conf
09:05 < seninha> it's the first vm (cobaia) i am trying to install openbsd
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09:07 < lts> Not spotting any issues there. Does the vmd host have enough free memory to give the VM 1024M memory?
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09:08 < seninha> (btw, you can guess by the time on the screenshots how much time i have lost on that)
09:08 < seninha> lts: yes, 3G out of 4G free
09:10 < seninha> i'm on the staff login class, which has datasize-cur=1536M and :datasize-max=infinity
09:11 < seninha> that should not be a problem as i use the guix (GNU/Guix) and wagie1 (debian) vms regularly
09:12 < lts> I'm not spotting anything directly wrong then. Try isolate the problem a bit more - would install72.img install fine, for example
09:12 < sdk_> I just did an install with 256MB. That's tight on relink, not when extracting.
09:13 < seninha> lts: ok
09:13 < lts> Hmm actually. Should you be using .iso instead of .img
09:14 < seninha> ok, gonna download install73.iso then
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09:15 < seninha> also gonna use 512MB of memory instead
09:15 < seninha> of 1024
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09:15 < lts> Latter _should_ not matter if you indeed have enough memory available, but worth testing
09:20 < seninha> good morning!
09:21  * seninha sees the first sun ray
09:22 < seninha> AAARRGH https://ttm.sh/BRt.png
09:23 < seninha> i'm going to try to sysupgrade to the last snapshot, that can be a problem with the current snapshot i'm using
09:24 < seninha> brb
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09:45 < seninha> \o/ https://ttm.sh/BRe.png
09:46 < seninha> after circa' 10 tries
09:46 < lts> Was it the snapshot?
09:46 < seninha> idk, but i guess so... it only worked after sysupgrading
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10:01 < sdk_> I installed 7.3 several times now on the latest snapshot. 
10:02 < sdk_> #1268: Fri Jun 30 10:27:20 MDT
10:06 < seninha> am on #1268 now too
10:07 < seninha> i have no idea what could have been happening
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10:13 < lts> Risks of running snapshots realized, probably
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12:20 < solene> Foxy_: yes
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13:17 < tercaL> Greetings, anyone any clue on this? https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=168816674720086&w=2
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13:28 < zwr> tercaL: DNSSEC isn't supported by every TLD
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13:29 < zwr> unwind can't require it because of this, so it just proceeds without validation and writes a message to the system log
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13:30 < tercaL> zwr: Oh, got it. I see..
13:30 < tercaL> Thanks.
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14:26 < sammy242> Hi. I am using relayd to terminate TLS. Now I want to add a HTTP service that should be "mounted" under a different URL path. Now I am not sure how I'd math paths to different ports on the same server.
14:27 < thrig> I c what you did there
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14:40 < sammy242> Basically since in tables there is only hosts and "forward to" in the http protocol doesn't have a port I wonder if I am misunderstanding the documentation. And in the relay section I am not sure how I'd match the path.
14:41 < pardis> sammy242: you need two tables with the same set of hosts, then specify the port for each table in the relay, and forward per table in the protocol
14:42 < sammy242> Ah. That makes sense. Thank you! :)
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14:46 < pardis> it doesn't really make sense, but it's what you need to do to work around relayd's limitations
14:53 < sammy242> Hehe. I meant that more in the sense that this is the other thing in the config that I didn't think about.
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15:31 < wakaflaka> hey, anybody know why im sometimes gettig this:
15:31 < wakaflaka> vultr$ . .profile
15:31 < wakaflaka> ksh: .: .profile: not found
15:32 < wakaflaka> same with source .profile
15:32 < sibiria> you're not in your home dir?
15:32 < thrig> or the filename don't exist
15:33 < thrig> or, more likely, . wants a fully qualiied path
15:33 < wakaflaka> im in my homedir, yes
15:34 < wakaflaka> hmm its there.probably a syntax error somewhere
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15:38 < wakaflaka> https://clbin.com/SHkMJ
15:39 < pardis> the error you are getting does not indicate a syntax error
15:39 < pardis> ah, wait, maybe it does
15:40 < pardis> that's... misleading
15:40 < thrig> . searches path, as documented, otherwise, again, it needs a fully qualified path
15:41 < pardis> oh right, of course
15:41 < wakaflaka> ooh right
15:42 < wakaflaka> i swear `source` worked in ksh the other day
15:42 < wakaflaka> but I could just add it as an alias then to . /home/dev/.profile
15:42 < thrig> maybe it was a bat dressed up as a sh
15:44 < wakaflaka> its not halloween now. its the gay pride parade and they sure are fond of dressing up... (my girl was there. i have a gay associate whom i trust more than anyone so that was not hate speech)
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15:44 < wakaflaka> anyway thanks for this
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15:45 < wakaflaka> i'll be running the chatgpt audit of openbsd's src/ in a bit now :D
15:46 < wakaflaka> it's probably gonna make it worse. it's been acting braindead lately, repeating the same stuff over and over, forgetting conversations, changing subjects to something totally irrelevant
15:46 < wakaflaka> i think somebody doesn't like the thought that now anybody can create anything..
15:47 < thrig> regugitate known relationships, anyways, while burning through a giggleworthy amount of CPU and memory
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15:51 < wakaflaka> asking the old gpt-3-turbo version to write openbsd jokes
15:51 < wakaflaka> Why did Theo de Raadt start his own software project?
15:51 < wakaflaka> Because he wanted to prove that the only thing harder than debugging code is debugging people's egos!
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15:52 < wakaflaka> not funny, ill ask gpt-4 though, once the time limit is over
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15:54 < wakaflaka> err this one is kinda funny: Why did the OpenBSD IRC channel become a popular destination for penguins? Because they heard it was the coolest place to chill and chat!
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16:04 < phy1729> wakaflaka: please stick to topical questions. Less AI nonsense and nothing that even sort of looks like contravening network policy.
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16:44 < d2crypt> curious to know how one might find or view a full-disk encryption password, given the machine is unlocked. is it easy to review what the full disk encrpytion password is currently set to?
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16:46 < pardis> no, it is impossible
16:47 < thrig> unless the keyboard has been, um, modified
16:47 < d2crypt> okay that's good to hear
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17:06 < d2crypt> why is it impossible?
17:06 < pardis> because bioctl zeroes the memory with the passphrase immediately after it is done with it
17:07 < pardis> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sbin/bioctl/bioctl.c#L1396
17:07 < martian67> d2crypt:  because the password isnt the encryption key used to encrypt/decrypt the disk
17:07 < martian67> its used to decrypt the key
17:07 < martian67> in simple terms
17:08 < martian67> or derive the key i guess
17:08 < martian67> look into password stretching and KDF functions
17:09 < martian67> now if you have THAT key, you can pretty much just as easily decrypt the disk
17:09 < martian67> so its not saving you from somebody grabbing your ram contents or something
17:09 < martian67> but it makes the key itself much harder to brute force
17:11 < martian67> in an offline situation
17:12 < srfsh> martian67: I would guess it is used to derive a key that is used to decrypt the master key that encrypts the device.  Otherwise, I imagine changing passphrases wasn't a vaiable option, no?
17:13 < martian67> ah yeah, of course
17:14 < martian67> dumb omission from me :)
17:19 < d2crypt> interesting stuff!
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17:31 < TinyTimmyTokyo> well, i'm still unable to boot the OpenBSD installer on my laptop (latest stable release *and* the latest snapshot .img of -CURRENT)
17:31 < TinyTimmyTokyo> due to ACPI errors
17:32 < TinyTimmyTokyo> model is Dell Inspiron 3558
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17:47 < GnarledHorn> q
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18:01 < tommyrot> TinyTimmyTokyo: man sendbug
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18:16 < seninha> xterm's print() and print-everything() functions are disabled on OpenBSD?
18:17 < seninha> they are not listed on the manpage as being disabled on OpenBSD, but not work
18:19 < brocashelm> seninha: i have a similar issue where my printscreen key wouldn't register with openbsd. tried checking through cli and still no recognition (yet the keyboard works and linux systems picked up on the key)
18:20 < thrig> docs on printerCommand seem a bit relevant
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18:23 < seninha> brocashelm: print() and print-everything() write the xterm content into a pipe to a command. I have bound print-everything to Ctrl-W and printerCommand to "xterm" just for testing on my X server. On a Linux VM I can open a xterm and pressing Ctrl-W invokes a new XTerm. OpenBSD does not.
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18:24 < seninha> Seems to be compatible with other security features disabled on OpenBSD... specifying a command via X resources for the terminal to spawn
18:26 < d2crypt> brocashelm: maybe you can bind something like xwd -out ~/screenshot.xwd -root & to that printscreen key
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18:29 < d2crypt> xev might be helpful too
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18:42 < brocashelm> i tried xev; doesn't register
18:42 < brocashelm> i think it's on the kernel or userland to not implement it
18:43 < brocashelm> which i can get used to, since i set ctrl+alt+p to call xfce4-screenshooter/scrot
18:43 < thrig> I have a share-window script that lets me pick a window
18:44 < typicat> hm, can't seem to install go with pkg_add (Can't find go), did i miss something?
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18:47 < xse> nope i've noticed a few go packages not getting updated recently my plan was to wait until pkg_add find them again
18:48 < thrig> there is rumored go and other language breakage in -current, if that's what you signed up for
18:49 < typicat> yeah, thats the case
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18:49 < typicat> ah well, no rush with it in my case, thanks for info
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19:17 < Xeroine> Hi, I have sshd, httpd and znc running on my raspberry pi 4b. Every 5-15 minutes I encounter some issues on all of these services. For example, I can't go to the website it is hosting as if the pi was down, my IRC clients stops recieving new messages and ssh becomes unresponsive and sometimes also disconnects me. This happens for about 30-60 seconds. I'm not using any exotic network config either,
19:17 < Xeroine> it's really simple. I have it connected using ethernet and the address is assigned statically in /etc/hostname.bse0. Any ideas what this could be?
19:17 < Xeroine> or how to debug this?
19:18 < thrig> did you like run a tcpdump in multiple places when it happens?
19:19 < Xeroine> like on other hosts on the network?
19:19 < thrig> presumably if you don't know what's going on you might want to gather some intelligence
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19:20 < Xeroine> right, I'll try that then
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19:35 < Xeroine> Is there something specific I should look for? I really don't know
19:35 < Xeroine> It's here btw https://clbin.com/OyUwI
19:36 < Xeroine> started happening at around 22:66:30, probably somewhere a bit past that time and stopped after about 1 minute
19:36 < Xeroine> the pi is 192.168.0.10
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19:38 < Xeroine> ostkom that's my ISP
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19:39 < Xeroine> I was sshed from my mac using wifi, dhcp, 192.168.0.151
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19:42 < thrig> -ttttt to tcpdump might better show where long delays start
19:43 < Xeroine> ah okay
19:44 < thrig> or -w the packets to a file and then poke at that with ...
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19:59 < Xeroine> this time 22:50-22:50, less than a minute https://filebin.net/jkc7qs07yfpo6kjw
19:59 < Xeroine> guess the router couldn't reach it either, there's bunch of ARP requests it sent asking for 192.168.0.10
20:00 < thrig> arp spam is pretty common
20:00 < Xeroine> oh
20:00 < thrig> like does it normally happen?
20:00 < Xeroine> it just looked like it happened more during that period
20:01 < tommyrot> cable not fitted properly maybe
20:01 < Xeroine> like 30+ of those ARP messages for 192.168.0.10 in less than a minute
20:02 < Xeroine> look good to me
20:02 < Xeroine> looks*
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20:23 < d2crypt> physically inspect network cable
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20:26 < Xeroine> that's what I did
20:26 < Xeroine> i see no issues with my eyes
20:26 < Xeroine> or with the network cable =D
20:26 < thrig> you could move the cable to a different host to see if the problem moves somewhere else, or it could be a broadcom issue, or who knows what
20:28 < Xeroine> I probably should have mentioned this earlier but I'm using powerline
20:28 < Xeroine> I'll try the other non-powerline cable
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20:31 < d2crypt> "how many times did you restart it? three times dude, I always restart it three times just like you told me"
20:31 < d2crypt> https://youtu.be/uRGljemfwUE
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22:03 < vortexx> amazing! duplicity will now run via daily if you add the py3-six package. Never worked till 7.3 but does now :)
22:03 < vortexx> (or I could never get it to work)
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