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00:54 < GnarledHorn> I have a basic ulimit question. What files or commands do I need to check to increase the -d limit for my regular (staff class) account?
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00:59 < mischief> see login.conf(5)
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01:14 < GnarledHorn> thank you, mischief. Back in a while...
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01:19 < brocashelm> the review got published. cool
01:19 < brocashelm> https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ratings&distro=openbsd
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01:21 < thrig> 400 bad request
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01:32 < brocashelm> loads for me...
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01:37 < thrig> maybe they don't like a) w3m b) the custom user-agent involving MSIE 8 and Windows 8
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02:48 < jkc> That review is, in a word, trash.
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02:49 < thrig> saved by w3m! (or the user-agent string!)
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04:50 < brocashelm> jkc: why?
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06:24 < njn> hi, I had a question about full disk encryption, do you need a small non encrypted partition beforehand pointing to the encrypted partition? because it's not defaulting to boot to sr0 without it
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06:29 < njn> I can set the device to sr0a from boot, but unless I create a 320 block sd0a before the encrypted disklabel partition, it's not looking to boot directly to the encrypted partition
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06:30 < njn> and create a etc/boot.conf
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06:34 < njn> hmm
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06:58 < njn> if anyone could help out ot would be appreciated, thanks
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06:59 < njn> it*
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08:25 < njn> :(
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09:16 < dennis> Is it considered rude to nudge maintainers of ports on email about CVEs (on ports they maintain) and such, and maybe hint/ask for an update to be pushed?
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09:46 < renaud> dennis: depends on the way you do it. If you include a patch in your mail, that can be welcome. If you order the maintainer to patch without anything else, that's rude.
09:48 < dennis> hah, I won't order anyone to do anything. That would be super rude. But I'm not in a position to include a patch either. That's why i'm asking :)
09:49 < dennis> But I guess there's no unwritten rules about this sort of thing then. Just be polite and respectful.
09:49 < renaud> If you say something like. "Hello, I noticed there is a CVE for port something/whatever you maintain. It is solved in version x.", that should not be an issue
09:52 < renaud> as you said, just be polite and respectful.
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10:01 < dennis> Thanks
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10:45 < lts> Should the maintainers be held to a higher standard? If you take the maintainer responsibility, you should do your job
10:50 < sibiria> dennis: not rude at all. the maintainer may not be aware of the CVE and that a patch is available
10:50 < sibiria> you should absolutely let them know
10:51 < sibiria> don't worry about a maintainer possibly being butt-hurt over the e-mail. worry about all the users that are potentially subjected to the CVE
10:57 < renaud> honestly, I would take a CVE notification very nicely as long as the mail is nice too.
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14:04 < terr> I need to improve my network feeds.  I have DSL now but my ISP is incompetent so I want to add a 2nd & later maybe even a 3rd network connection.   What equipment & cabling do you guys suggest.   Also I live in Calgary and know Carson and have met Theo
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14:08 < pardis> that last part seems very relevant
14:08 < thrig> the best gear would have blinkenlights
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14:24 < GnarledHorn> Well, turns out it's not really a ulimit issue I was facing. From what I can gather, SBCL makes executable images that don't play well with address-space layout randomization
14:24 < GnarledHorn> I somehow fixed this last weekend, but I didn't write notes down :(
14:24 < GnarledHorn> It's the last part of my nuke-and-repave setup
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14:30 < Zyxer> Heyy
14:31 < Zyxer> I am having issues with playing cd, I tried 'cdio cdplay' and 'cdio play' but the sound has a grinding noise or something  
14:32 < Zyxer> I remember using another command to play CD on another pc and it had no issues, but I can't recall what command the other was
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14:46 < oldlaptop> Zyxer: `cdio play` requires that the drive itself have some kind of audio output that's connected to something (in the old days there was generally an analog audio connection directly to the sound card); `cdio cdplay` does digital audio extraction (basically "rips" the CD)
14:47 < oldlaptop> "a grinding noise" is not much to go from, especially without knowing which of those two possibilities is making the noise
14:47 < oldlaptop> (if they're both making the noise, I wonder if there's something funky about the disc.)
14:47 < oldlaptop> or the machine's audio system more generally, if things other than CDs also make "a grinding noise"
14:48 < pardis> Herbie Hancock discs can be quite funky
14:49 < oldlaptop> cdparanoia from ports might be something to try instead of cdplay (being designed to do DAE correctly in less-than-ideal circumstances)
14:52 < thrig> funk might have a groove, or a grind
14:53 < eea> i thought funk required both?
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14:57 < GnarledHorn> SBCL executables require wxallowed on the filesystems they run from. That was my problem. The SBCL error misdirected me to ulimit
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14:59 < steerpike> are there a list 5g modems supported on openbsd?
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15:00 < thrig> English is vague as to whether 'or' is inclusive or not
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15:05 < Zyxer> Ok I think I fixed it
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15:05 < Zyxer> I tried another USB port and less issues
15:06 < Zyxer> But still, issues. 
15:06 < Zyxer> All USB port issues but USB 3 ports more, so I tried  to connect my USB3 HUB 
15:06 < Zyxer> And changed USB cable, now 0 issues
15:07 < Zyxer> Maybe not enough power to USB audio card, that is connected with  optical to big amp
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15:12 < terr> I believe OpenBSD runs on Raspberry Pi equipment.   Are there any models which it doesn't run on?  I need to set up cheap servers and I use OpenBSD on servers and Firewalls
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15:14 < steerpike> if it's arm, it should be fine unless there's specific components that need special drivers
15:15 < thrig> the broadcom blob from beyond
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15:21 < terr> steerpike I'll try it pretty soon.
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15:23 < terr> steerpike. Right now I realize I need to install cabling for multiple network connections.  What is in was done in 1997.  Needs to be upgraded
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15:24 < terr> I need to figure out cable type & what equipment to hang on it
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15:30 < ssm_> does anyone know a way to scale up classic X11 apps (like xcalc) for high dpi displays?
15:33 < Zyxer> ssm_ I guess that depends on your WM/DE, an uggly workaround is to lower screenresulotion with xrandr
15:37 < pardis> no it does not depend on the WM, it's not the WM's job to render applications
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15:57 < clemens3> ssm_: with fiddling you can configure a resource file to let xcalc and co use bigger fonts..
15:58 < clemens3> but i am on 1280x1024, so all my apps look big enough
16:00 < clemens3> no, using use a bigger font for rxvt
16:00 < clemens3> cat .Xresources
16:00 < clemens3> ! URxvt*font: -misc-gomme-medium-r-normal--20-200-100-100-c-100-iso10646-1
16:00 < clemens3> URxvt*font: -xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1
16:00 < clemens3> URxvt*italicFont: -xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1
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17:11 < lognull> Guys, is there any way to turn off the bell openbsd ksh ? ( inside xterm ) 
17:12 < lognull> Using bash is possible via inputrc, but I cannot figure out the same for oksh .
17:12 < phy1729> xset -b
17:14 < lognull> thanks phy1729, but I want to turn off the bell only for ksh. 
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17:17 < ssm_> think you're gonna need to delve into the source code for that
17:17 < ssm_> the bell sound does not come from ksh, it comes from X in this case
17:17 < ssm_> ksh just calls the bell in certain cases
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17:21 < lognull> I see. Well, thank anyway. I was suspecting that I would face something like this soon or late. :)
17:21 < lognull> *thanks
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17:43 < dqk> i'm having the completely ooposite problem, i always assumed the volume was set to 0 on a box i'm using rougly as a terminal until now (thanks to you) but i just don't have any bell sound even though it's enabled
17:43 < ssm_> the bell sound uses the system speaker I think
17:43 < ssm_> so if you don't have one it's just silent
17:45 < dqk> it might be that, i'm so accustomed to having one that i never realised it's not using the regular speakers when you don't have one
17:50 < thrig> the shell did come out of a Bell labs
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18:46 < d2crypt> brocashelm: https://files.catbox.moe/8s81zx.jpg
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19:10 < joe9> I just upgraded to 7.3. But, i am missing this port: https://openports.pl/path/plan9/plan9port
19:11 < pardis> missing in what sense? the package is there at https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/packages/amd64/
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19:14 < joe9> when i do, pkg_add plan9port, or pkg_add -u plan9port, nothing happens.
19:14 < joe9> But, i cannot get the executable from the package to run though
19:14 < joe9> /usr/obj/ports/plan9port-20230123/plan9port-e2a141ae0952c2d28a9f500bb9da6dc72e57be3c/rcmain: rc: .: can't open: Permission denied
19:14 < joe9> is the message I get. i have nothing in /usr/obj/ports
19:15 < joe9> /usr/obj is empty for me
19:16 < joe9> master# cd ports
19:16 < joe9> ksh: cd: /usr/obj/ports - No such file or directory
19:16 < joe9> master# pwd
19:16 < joe9> /usr/obj
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19:18 < pardis> ah, so it's not missing, it's broken
19:18 < pardis> I get the same thing (assuming you are running the rc executable; that package has many)
19:19 < pardis> this is almost certainly a bug, although what it's a bug in I'm not sure
19:19 < pardis> could be the port, could be the port-building automation
19:22 < pardis> oh, but '9 rc' works
19:22 < pardis> so it looks like PLAN9 defaults to the path where plan9port was built
19:22 < pardis> setting that environment variable is all the '9' script does
19:23 < pardis> well, almost all
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19:33 < joe9> pardis: thanks.
19:33 < joe9> you are correct. It works with 9 rc.
19:37 < joe9> it used to work before the upgrade.
19:37 < joe9> is there a way to add 9 to #!/usr/local/plan9/bin/rc 
19:37 < joe9> of rc scripts
19:39 < oldlaptop> You *should* be able to use something like `!# /usr/local/bin/9 rc`, I should think?
19:40 < oldlaptop> as in `#! /usr/bin/env foo` (to get a $PATH lookup done for foo)
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19:56 < pardis> yes, but then you can't pass any options to rc
19:57 < pardis> unix is wonderful like that
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19:57 < pardis> if you want to pass options to rc, you will need to create a wrapper script that invokes '9 rc' (or sets PLAN9 and invokes rc) and put *that* in your shebang
19:58 < thrig> it's not turtles but exec wrappers all the way down
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20:31 < brocashelm> d2crypt: yawn
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21:15 < mmoreno80> hw.ncpufound=4
21:15 < mmoreno80> hw.ncpuonline=2
21:15 < mmoreno80> hi! what could case that?
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21:20 < oldlaptop> mmoreno80: Having two CPUs with SMT, mainly. SMT is "off by default", meaning the kernel only brings up one of the fake-CPUs for each CPU/core.
21:21 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: nice! 
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21:21 < oldlaptop> you can toggle hw.smt to change this, but probably don't really want to in most cases.
21:21 < oldlaptop> (I keep SMT off in firmware, on SMT machines that mostly run OpenBSD.)
21:22 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: I am compiling some programs, and it is too slow 
21:22 < mmoreno80> emacs is taking more than 4 hours ...
21:23 < oldlaptop> Under really ideal conditions, SMT on intel hardware (which is probably what most dual-core-dual-thread machines out there in the world are) is good for maaaaaaybe 10% more throughput or so. Compiling emacs (which I wouldn't think should take four hours) is probably not even ideal conditions.
21:23 < brocashelm> enabling smt wouldn't really speed up the process of things, though
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21:25 < thrig> can't recall a benchmark where SMT enabled helped whatever was being benched
21:25 < oldlaptop> With zero information (which is effectively what you've given us here), I would wonder about storage, or possibly compiler/build system bugs (or conditions that could behave like such things, such as a bad power supply). Assuming (emacs fans out there?) it is indeed weird for emacs to take four hours to build on some random dual-core amd64
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21:25 < oldlaptop> (which would be no older than one of those dual-die netburst "Pentium D" things, likely)
21:26 < oldlaptop> maybe it really does eventually munch all computer storage just like firefox or chromium
21:27 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: could be network latency ... I am running a diskless machine
21:27 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: thanks for the help
21:28 < oldlaptop> Yeah, get your nightmarefs worked out waaaaaaaaaaaaay before worrying about smt
21:28 < mmoreno80> lol
21:28 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: just probing that was possible 
21:28 < oldlaptop> (and maybe consider using mfs for working storage, if you must run builds on a diskless machine)
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21:30 < oldlaptop> One other thing: I don't know offhand how AMD 'bulldozer' chips show up for hw.smt purposes. If those only schedule one thread per module by default, that likely *is* worth changing; you'd get almost linear scaling (basically almost the same as doubling core count with a more normal amd64 CPU design).
21:30 < oldlaptop> (You could have one of those, you haven't told us.)
21:31 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: it an old intel machine. 
21:32 < oldlaptop> For integer-heavy work, I mean. (Those have "modules" consisting, principally, of two integer units and one FPU, so a "module" acts somewhat like two cores for integer-heavy work, and somewhat like one core for FP-heavy work.)
21:32 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: the idea is to have a machine just for compilation. 
21:33 < mmoreno80> I had the pc collecting dust.
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21:33 < oldlaptop> you're very likely to find it worthwhile to give the poor thing one of these highly advanced and expensive pieces of equipment called a "secondary storage device"
21:33 < mmoreno80> works, but it's really slow.
21:33 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: lol
21:33 < brocashelm> mmoreno80: i got openbsd on an old intel core2 quad q9650 cpu, and it's still quite slow there, with or without smt
21:33 < oldlaptop> (take a look at SSD prices if you haven't lately)
21:33 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: that is against the point! 
21:34 < brocashelm> i think a part of the reason why the slowness is due to fs type defaulting to ffs2
21:34 < oldlaptop> slapping a US$35 SSD in some old dustbox (seriously, that's even good quality) still seems like a win to me :)
21:34 < mmoreno80> brocashelm: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4160
21:34 < oldlaptop> brocashelm: ffs2 is not relevant where ffs2 is not being used
21:35 < brocashelm> oldlaptop: ok
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21:35 < oldlaptop> ffs2 would be *vastly* preferable to nfs in pretty much every respect
21:35 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: got it! had some hw there not being used. 
21:35 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: but was a nice exercise to get tftp, nfs, pxe, etc, to work 
21:36 < oldlaptop> I'm not sure I would call that "nice", but I take the point :)
21:36 < mmoreno80> lol
21:36 < oldlaptop> as for nfs, whatever the magic sauce is to get openbsd's implementation to perform reasonably well, I've not found it yet
21:37 < brocashelm> my machine is still using a traditional hdd, but i might replace it with an ssd to help with the occasional delays during graphical session
21:38 < oldlaptop> as for SSDs, I still can't get over these price points. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2vVmP6/intel-670p-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu020tzx1
21:38 < oldlaptop> (not necessarily relevant for dumpsterware in that particular case)
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21:38 < oldlaptop> two filesystem-checking terabytes for US$70 shipped...
21:39 < brocashelm> only satas possible here :)
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21:40 < oldlaptop> those aren't all that much more expensive (not necessarily more expensive at all for... less-respected names)
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21:52 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: the same disk costs around 288 dls 
21:53 < mmoreno80> *here
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21:54 < mmoreno80> "ppm means "you are stupid". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
21:54 < oldlaptop> ...?
21:54 < brocashelm> ?
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21:55 < mmoreno80> oldlaptop: brocashelm: do you follow @misc?
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21:56 < mmoreno80> theo replied an email for someone asking what PPM is
21:56 < oldlaptop> Ah.
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21:58 < brocashelm> oh, i see
21:58 < brocashelm> lol
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23:06 < pardis> even mounting an mfs just to run the compile would be better than nfs
23:07 < pardis> assuming that the object files fit in RAM, of course
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