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00:12 < milesrout> can someone explain this softdep issue? what is it, why is it an issue?
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00:21 < thrig> complicated, thus blocking improvements to filesystem internals
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00:59 < quinq> thrig, just port zfs to OpenBSD
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01:54 < ssm_> quinq, just port thrig to zfs
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01:58 < pony> ssm_: just port puffy to land
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13:57 < mavavilj> sorry if this is a newbie question, but is there some connection between the man.openbsd.org pages for commands etc. and their source code
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13:58 < mavavilj> because I cannot find links to e.g. where pkg_add is implemented
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13:58 < thrig> `which pkg_add` -> /usr/src/$somewhere/$something
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14:02 < mavavilj> https://man.openbsd.org/pkg_add
14:02 < mavavilj> I just wanted to know whetether this is wrapper to make, cmake or something
14:02 < mavavilj> Maven or whatever
14:04 < ssm_> pkg_add installs binary packages
14:04 < mavavilj> so are all ports binaries
14:05 < mavavilj> I see
14:05 < ssm_> just running pkg_add blah, you're most likely ending up with a binary package pulled from a repository
14:05 < mavavilj> no I though that's what all ports should be
14:06 < thrig> cd /usr/ports/$somewhere && make $something is a different story
14:06 < mavavilj> it says that ports is an infrastructure that tells how to produce such binaries
14:06 < mavavilj> but yes when it's with pkg_add then it has been compiled prior to that
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14:10 < ssm_> if you're asking whether pkg_add compiles before installing a package, it does not
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14:11 < mavavilj> I just got used to using sources a lot on Linux
14:11 < mavavilj> never really used .debs or something
14:12 < sibiria> you can do the same on openbsd, but there's little benefit to it
14:13 < ssm_> OpenBSD doesn't have use flags like Gentoo or FreeBSD
14:13 < mavavilj> so are there some easy examples to practicing the package format
14:14 < ssm_> it's usually done automatically by the ports infrastructure during the `make package` target (using pkg_create(1))
14:14 < mavavilj> here it does seem to merge pkg_ and make though https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html#PortsInstall
14:14 < mavavilj> as if it was the same thing
14:15 < ssm_> mavavilj: if you pull down a ports tree, look at $PORTSDIR/infrastructure/templates/Makefile.template
14:16 < ssm_> most useful resource I've found on writing a port, personally
14:16 < thrig> you could also cargo cult from an existing port and then get yelled at on the ports mailing list
14:17 < mavavilj> where's $PORTSDIR
14:17 < mavavilj> since echo gives nothing
14:17 < ssm_> usually /usr/ports
14:17 < ssm_> you need to pull a tree down with cvs if you don't have one
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14:17 < mavavilj> what's that
14:18 < ssm_> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html
14:20 < ssm_> do be careful though since the default openbsd partition layout doesn't create a partition for ports, so on an existing install you might want to symlink /usr/ports to a location in /home or something
14:20 < ssm_> and the default /usr partition isn't large enough in my experience
14:20 < z3bra> question; I need to compile something against libxcb, but I can't find the package via pkg_info(1). Dooes anyone know the name of the package ?
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14:20 < thrig> `pkglocate libxcb`
14:21 < thrig> (there is no "package" for X11)
14:21 < z3bra> never heard of pkglocate, what is it ?
14:21 < ssm_> reverse package lookup, like pkg_info -E but backwards
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14:21 < z3bra> (says command not found on my install)
14:22 < thrig> doas pkg_add pkglocatedb
14:22 < ssm_> it's a port
14:22 < z3bra> ah thanks
14:22 < mavavilj> I only read about building OpenBSD from source
14:22 < ssm_> ironically pkglocate would have helped you find it :)
14:22 < mavavilj> but that's not what I am doing?
14:22 < z3bra> hehe
14:22 < mavavilj> well there's /usr/src
14:22 < mavavilj> but it's empty
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14:25 < thrig> pkg-config --libs --cflags xcb  is another thing
14:25 < z3bra> ah, turns out I included x11R6 in the LDPATH (without the X)
14:25 < mavavilj> I don't understand why am I reading about building from source
14:25 < mavavilj> when I only wanted PORTSDIR
14:25 < mavavilj> on an existing system
14:25 < z3bra> Yeah but I added that manually and didn't even consider the possibility of my fingers being groken :)
14:26 < z3bra> mavavilj, you don't need to build from source
14:26 < z3bra> you need to use cvs to fetch the port tree on your system
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14:29 < mavavilj> so I actually needed this link https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html
14:29 < mavavilj> not faq5
14:31 < z3bra> yup
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14:38 < oldlaptop> mavavilj: It's not clear from your questions whether you realize: OpenBSD is not like debian (or most other linuxes) where everything is in a "package". OpenBSD itself, as you get it from a fresh install, is *not* made of packages. It's built from one unified source tree (okay two source trees, but still), and is installed or upgraded with the installer, not any kind of package system.
14:38 < oldlaptop> If you're looking for the implementation of pkg_add, for example, that would be in the src/ tree, not in some "source package".
14:40 < oldlaptop> "packages" are third-party software "outside" OpenBSD. The "ports tree" is nothing more than the infrastructure used to build installable binary packages. (The closest linuxy analogy would be a collection of all the Debian source packages.)
14:42 < oldlaptop> Much of the ports tree is written in make(1), hence all those invocations of make(1) in the porter's handbook. The last thing that `install` target (as used in that rsnapshot example) does is call pkg_add to install the package it's just built.
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14:46 < renaud> has anyone tried to build unwind on anything else than OpenBSD?
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17:04 < mystic> hello anyone know how to put window always on top on cwm ?
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17:09 < fro> can probably use gap to do that
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17:13 < mystic> fro: wha'ts gap ? I don't find any command or package with that name
17:13 < fro> https://man.openbsd.org/cwmrc
17:14 < fro> you can define a gap there
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17:16 < thrig> mind. the gap.
17:16 < thrig> (or cwm may not be the best choice for particular needs)
17:17 < fro> might be some other way that i am unaware of too
17:17 < fro> but yes
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17:18 < mystic> ok
17:18 < thrig> fvwm has StaysOnTop and then you can hit things with NoTitle to look like cwm
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17:21 < avemestr> It's a stop gap solution.
17:22 < lts> There is a gaping hole in features.
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17:45 < fifi> hey, is there any possiblity to improve audio quality in openBSd or something like this? :)
17:45 < fifi> I mean something like improving audio quality
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17:47 < fro> are you asking if there is a possibility that audio quality will be improved?
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17:48 < fifi> well, can it be improved? :P
17:48 < fro> everything can be improved
17:49 < apotheon> fro: What is the problem that needs to be improved, exactly?
17:49 < fro> why would you ask me?
17:49 < apotheon> oops
17:49 < apotheon> tab completion failure
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17:49 < apotheon> fifi: What is the problem that needs to be improved, exactly?
17:50 < oldlaptop> We could put eight zeroes in front of every sample and play back ultrasound 
17:50 < apotheon> erm
17:51 < apotheon> please no
17:51 < fro> audio should be disabled by default
17:51 < fro> PROBLEM SOLVED
17:51 < apotheon> "solved"
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17:51 < apotheon> I'm actually a bit miffed that it seems to be impossible to get system beeps on this laptop.
17:52 < fro> hey nothing is impossible
17:53 < oldlaptop> You don't like the warm, earthy sound of extra zeroes?
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17:54 < oldlaptop> That crisp inaudible 90KHz zing?
17:55 < oldlaptop> (or more likely the beautiful sound of intermodulation distortion)
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19:40 < mystic> hello, anyone can help me ? I believe that I have a spyware on my chrome installation. I mean could be inside the ~/.config/chromium folder. I suspect that this malware inject "things" on website. For example ads on youtube. I know that youtube has ads, obviously. But there are some channel that should not have ads, but I watch ads on channel that should not have them. Anyone can help me to solve this 
19:41 < mystic> mistery ?
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19:41 < Bradipo> Do you see those same ads when you use something other than chrome?
19:42 < Bradipo> Are you sure chrome isn't the spyware you seek?
19:42 < sibiria> i thought google begun enforcing ads on youtube a few weeks back
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19:42 < fro> i don't see how seeing ads on youtube would make someone go straight to "i have spyware"
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19:43 < thrig> youtube has ads?
19:43 < fro> it does when you've got spyware apparently
19:43 < fro> and only then
19:43 < thrig> maybe they'll add ads to yt-dlp some year
19:43 < fro> hope so
19:43 < dkeav> can't wait!
19:44 < mystic> fro, it's a long story... obviously there are many other things.. there are people that know things that souldn't know. Please trust me a bit.
19:44 < dkeav> can we get the new module ala sponsorblock, something like a contentblock
19:44 < dkeav> cut out all the content, just show me nothing but ads
19:44 < fro> there are people who know things they shouldn't know?
19:45 < mystic> fro: yes
19:45 < fro> i'm gonna suggest you see a therapist
19:45 < fro> that's my advice
19:45 < mystic> fro: lol
19:45 < fro> yeah i'm not really kidding
19:46 < mystic> fro: you are a little superficial
19:47 < fro> well good luck with your imaginery spyware
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19:47 < mystic> fro: you don't know anything and you judges... 
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19:48 < fro> i don't see where i've made any judgements or claimed to know anything
19:49 < fro> in any case your problem has nothing to do with openbsd
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19:51 < sibiria> mystic: switch to firefox. see what happens
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19:51 < Bradipo> Yes, I already asked that...
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19:54 < mystic> sibiria: nothing ads... on firefox. But please.. check this video for yourself.. and confirm if it has ads or not.. please https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElSHZIG_aE8
19:54 < mystic> that entire channel should not be monetized then it should not have ads.. 
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19:55 < mystic> or not ? if I'm wrong please correct me..
19:55 < fro> it has ads
19:55 < mystic> fro: ok thanks.. 
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19:56 < fro> but hey now that doesn't explain all those people that know things they shouldn't know
19:56 < fro> right?
19:56 < phy1729> fro: don't encourage that
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19:56 < fro> i'm not the one that said it
19:58 < mystic> fro: I'm just investigate... I don't find anything wrong to try to understand...
19:58 < phy1729> Youtube monitizing channels that have ads turned off isn't really an #openbsd question
19:58 < fro> ok
19:58 < Bradipo> mystic: You could always ask Youtube?
19:58 < fro> pretty sure i already said this earlier
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20:00 < Bradipo> mystic: I see adds on that URL above.
20:00 < Bradipo> ads rather.
20:00 < Bradipo> Using firefox.
20:00 < mystic> ok guys I'm sorry if my question are off topic, but I have installed openbsd so that I think this could be in topic.
20:00 < Bradipo> I suggest you talk to Youtube if they are putting up ads that you don't expect to be there.
20:00 < mystic> Bradipo: thanks so much.. 
20:01 < mystic> Bradipo: you mean on #youtube ? or where ?
20:01 < xse> web browsers can show you where does X image/element came from, when it was downloaded, which bit of code was trying to show it to you and so on
20:02 < fro> contacting youtube isn't going to do anything for you
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20:03 < mystic> xse: yep, I openbsd dev tools, and that ads came from doubleclick.net that obviously is ok, but I also find things... I mean image that come from an addon.. ublock origin that it's an adblock.. so I found it strange..
20:03 < mystic> s/openbsd/opened
20:04 < Bradipo> Bradipo: You claimed that the channel is supposed to be ad-free.  What does that mean?  Is the channel paying Youtube to be ad-free?
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20:04 < Bradipo> At any rate, this is getting pretty OT at this point.
20:05 < fro> getting
20:05 < fro> heh
20:05 < Bradipo> Well, I don't have a problem discussing  how does one discover potential security flaws in the software they are running on OpenBSD.
20:06 < Bradipo> After all, how does one go about doing such investigations on OpenBSD?
20:06 < mystic> Bradipo: I said that the channel is not monetized and in my mind that means ads-free. But now I understand that they're not the same things... maybe is not monetized but yt add ads anyway..
20:06 < sibiria> yt places ads on _all_ videos
20:06 < phy1729> mystic: I think you have your answer and this is off topic. Please drop it.
20:07 < mystic> phy1729: ok sorry. I stop to talk about this.
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20:13 < avemestr> It's both off-topic and old news: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/11/18/youtube-will-now-show-ads-on-all-videos-even-if-creators-dont-want-them/ EOD
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20:33 < jonadab> Independently of that, it *is* possible (indeed, fairly common) to get malware in Chromium by clicking on a thing on a website; but that has nothing to do with OpenBSD (it happens on all platforms).
20:33 < Bradipo> If I have a locally generated CA that I want to use with relayd, do I just put it in /etc/ssl/cert.pem ?
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20:33 < Bradipo> Or is there some other automated way to get things into cert.pem?
20:33 < Bradipo> s/put it in/append it to/
20:36 < fro> i think putting it at the end of that file should be fine
20:36 < thrig> cat /etc/ssl/cert.pem your certs here > /etc/ssl/mycert.pem ; "ca file /etc/ssl/mycert.pem"
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20:37 < thrig> and then regenerate it when the vendor ships a new cert.pem, etc
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20:38 < Bradipo> "ca file" means "openssl ca file" ?
20:39 < thrig> "ca file" is mentioned in relayd.conf(5)
20:39 < Bradipo> Ahh, I see.
20:40 < Bradipo> I was not previously using "ca file" in relayd.conf, so it must just be using /etc/ssl/cert.pem
20:40 < Bradipo> So I'll switch to that because it's cleaner, but it should still work even if I append to /etc/ssl/cert.pem.
20:41 < thrig> you can, but when you update the system...
20:41 < Bradipo> Understood.
20:41 < Bradipo> That's why I conceded that it's cleaner.
20:44 < fro> could list it in /etc/sysmerge.ignore too
20:44 < fro> i guess
20:45 < Bradipo> Naw, too much work. :-)
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20:47 < Bradipo> relayd.conf is sure finicky.
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20:48 < mystic> jonadab: exactly, a 0day on chrome could permit to inject js on an existing addon or install a new one.. but on #linux usually people reply to chrome question.. then I tought here would be the same.. 
20:51 < jonadab> mystic: Try a Chromium-related venue, so it's actually on-topic.
20:53 < fifi> oh what I meant by improving the sound quality was changing the resampling algorithm?
20:54 < jonadab> mystic: Chromium-related questions could be relevant here if they were in some way BSD-specific, e.g., something to do with the ports/packages system.  But your question is not in that category.
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20:55 < Bradipo> The benefit to putting them in /etc/ssl/cert.pem is that *all* things that use that file benefit, not just relayd.conf
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20:56 < thrig> or you break everything, not just relayd.conf
20:56 < fro> i mean you can backup cert.pem before adding it
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20:56 < fro> it's not like this is going to cause permanent problems
20:56 < fro> also it's not touched on every upgrade
20:57 < fro> fifi: i don't understand your question
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20:57 < fifi> when I used alsa I did manage to find a thread like this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2201/trying-to-improve-sound-quality-with-alsa
20:57 < fifi> I wonder if something similar can be done with sndio ;o
20:58 < fifi> increasing the rate to 48000 for example
20:59 < fifi> ahh it doesn't matter anyway :)
20:59 < fifi> sorry for wasting your time :)
21:00 < Bradipo> Maybe you could look at sndiod(8) ?
21:00 < Bradipo> See if there are some knobs that could do what you're trying to accomplish.
21:00 < fro> you can definitely change the rate to 48000
21:01 < fifi> ok :)
21:01 < fifi> cheers and have a good day :)
21:01 < fro> https://man.openbsd.org/sndiod
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21:01 < fro> should be something there that looks similar to what you're asking
21:01 < fifi> ok, tnx! :)
21:01 < fro> at least at a glance
21:02 < fifi> ok, great I will have a look
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22:12 < jf> Bradipo relayd defaults the path in `tls ca file <path>` to /etc/ssl/cert.pem . putting your local ca in there "should" work
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22:14 < jf> if you wanted a different bundle for relayd only, then .. you end up making a copy of /etc/ssl/cert.pem, adding your local ca cert to the copy and telling relayd to look there. yes, relayd.conf is .. finicky
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22:39 < Bradipo> jf: Yep, got it, thanks.
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22:40 < Bradipo> The problem turned out to be not with the "ca file" setting, but rather, the hosts "behind" relayd apparently had been configured with different CAs than the one I had been given.
22:40 < Bradipo> Now, onto a different relayd question...
22:41 < Bradipo> The default mode is roundrobin, however, it also looks like there is a "session" setting.
22:41 < Bradipo> Does this mean that it's "sticky" for the duration of the session?
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22:42 < Bradipo> Because I notice that if I hit refresh, I get sent to the same backend host each time.
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22:53 < Bradipo> Haha, I was not using roundrobin after all, but loadbalance.
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23:02 < Bradipo> So onto the next problem... Websockets.
23:02 < Bradipo> How does relayd handle them?  Seems that it may not.
23:03 < Bradipo> I'm seeing: Jul 11 17:02:13 firewall relayd[50176]: relay apptls, session 7 (4 active), 0, 192.168.56.104 -> :0, Websocket Forbidden (403 Forbidden), GET: Invalid argument
23:05 < thrig> man relayd.conf | col -bx | perl -00 -ne '/websock/ and print'
23:07 < Bradipo> Man, I need to read relayd.conf top-to-bottom I guess.
23:07 < thrig> doubtless more popular than bottom-to-top
23:07 < Bradipo> In this case, though, it might have been quicker... websocket is at the bottom of the section.
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23:46  * jf with a pool of internal servers, include sticky-address in the relay section - i think that is "correct"
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23:49 < jf> (i have not really looked at relayd since the ws double-close fix went in. i used to use it as a reverse (and external-https -> internal-http ) proxy for a while.)
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