--- Log opened Thu Jul 13 00:00:50 2023
--- Day changed Thu Jul 13 2023
00:00 < seninha> is this a (known) bug?
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00:50 < seninha> i think i found a bug: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=168920894910983&w=2
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02:27 < devg3> elloh, coming from linux work I expect difference with GNU sed / posix or bsd with SED - I am unsure after read the man page - something like so sed -i '3i\This is a new line' file.txt return extra characters after \ at the end of i command. can any clarification big thank you
02:28 < thrig> gsed is in ports if you want GNU sed
02:29 < devg3> well not so much, how would this command syntax be appropriate without gsed, please?
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02:31 < devg3> it appears I have escaped the 3i\ according to man, however..
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02:36 < thrig> generally \ extends a line in shell-like languages, as also indicated by the error message and formatting in the man page
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03:03 < devg3> ah yes is confusing, because if you don't use it (i assumed escape character)  command i expects \ followed by text
03:04 < devg3> use it, error, don't use it, error! haha
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03:34 < jordanreger> hey there, i'm trying to install on a dell inspiron 15 3593 and i'm getting an error after installing and rebooting. the first line says "AML PARSE ERROR (0x6e0): Undefined name: \_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.H_EC.ECAV" and a following line mentions the panic: "Data modified on freelist: word 4 of object 0xffff80000121f600 size 0x50 previous type ACPI (0xdeaf4151 != 0xdeaf4152)"
03:35 < jordanreger> i've turned *off* api as a comment on a mailing list recommended, but it seems to still be throwing this error
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03:53 < phy1729> If you could report that to the list, that'd be helpful https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html
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03:54 < jordanreger> will do
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11:18 < rory50> hoping for some advice on a newbie router install. i followed the openbsdrouterguide and have the same conf they do. the router works as intended except it starts blocking all packets after 6-13 days. i can only fix with a reboot. logs just show block on everything done from network clients
11:18 < rory50> restarting any of the daemons or reloading pf rules didnt help either. internet accesses normally from the router itself
11:20 < rory50> openbsd 7.3 and only deviation i can think of is i used dhcp=sync in rc.conf
11:23 < pardis> dhcp=sync is not an rc.conf setting, and you shouldn't be editing rc.conf anyway
11:24 < rory50> the local file I think 
11:24 < rory50> rc.conf.local
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11:27 < rory50> sorry its interface=SYNCDHCP
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11:28 < rory50> where the interface is the wan
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11:53 < tommyrot> stick to the official documentation which is really good instead of shitty guides maybe
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12:05 < rory50> the router guide is very well written as well. im hoping that there is an explanation to such odd behavior. appreciate any input 
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12:17 < sibiria> rory50: there are a few misses in that guide iirc
12:18 < sibiria> if you are on dhcp, you will want to replace all cases of to/from $ext with ($ext)
12:18 < rory50> fair enough, what could cause something to go down after a while, short of the disk filling up?
12:18 < rory50> thanks for the tip 
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12:18 < sibiria> else pf will not auto-update its rules once that interface's IP address changes
12:18 < sibiria> and to repeat myself: just for cases of TO/FROM $ext
12:19 < sibiria> not for "ON $ext"
12:19 < rory50> okay 
12:19 < sibiria> or $extif or whatever that guide names the interface
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12:20 < rory50> do you think it could be some hardware power throttling or heat? I turned off the power saving features
12:21 < sibiria> older CPUs with thermal protection will go into permanent halt on overheat. newer ones will throttle down first (and keep running)
12:21 < rory50> its a thin client with a fan. I tried to underclock it as it was getting warm but eventually it didnt listen to the startup clock speed I assigned it.
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12:21 < sibiria> but i think it's what i said. you're on dhcp, you get a new external ip from your isp, but the ruleset from "openbsd router guide" is broken
12:21 < rory50> I should look into that and apply the changes you recommended 
12:22 < rory50> OK. good to know at least 
12:22 < rory50> thank you for your help
12:22 < sibiria> to/from $extif -> to/from ($extif) 
12:22 < rory50> its a very extensive guide that does a lot of handholding and explaining. thats why ppl use it I think 
12:23 < rory50> if its wrong ppl should tell them to take it down 
12:23 < sibiria> perhaps nobody has let him know how to fix the rules so they work for all scenarios
12:24 < rory50> fair enough. ill send an email
12:24 < rory50> its a shame to let the guide go to waste obvious a lot of time was spent on it 
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17:46 < topcat001> It's a good idea to review third party documentation against the man pages, if only for a better understanding.
17:48 < oldlaptop> but also in case it's out of date, or in case it's total nonsense
17:49 < eea> openbsd man pages are a reliable source of truth vs blog posts or print books
17:52 < avemestr> "Tell them to take it down if it is wrong" reminds me of https://xkcd.com/386/
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17:55 < eea> lol
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17:56 < lts> They have https://openbsdrouterguide.net/#how-to-contribute
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18:03 < avemestr> lts: IIRC one of the issues with the guide is lack of parentheses around interfaces. So if your ISP do "something" to your connection, you might lose connectivity.
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18:04 < avemestr> But anyways nice he accepts improvements by mail - that's good to see.
18:04 < Bradipo> Well, parentheses are not useful for static IPs.
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18:05 < Bradipo> If the argument then is, they should be used anyway, then why not just make pf always treat an interface as if it has parentheses?
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18:07 < avemestr> Because pf might be used in a data center where your static IP really is static, on a home connection where your static ip is "so static we only change it once in a while" or on a different home connection where the ISP rotate IPs often.
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18:10 < avemestr> In a DC setting you might really want to know if the IPs suddenly change. Though one will often have set the static ip directly on the interface themselves, but that's not always the case.
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18:15 < avemestr> Since such a guide is (probably) primarily read by home users and not by data center users, it would match the target group better using parentheses on the wan interface, since most home users do experience ISPs messing with their connection from time to time.
18:19 < sibiria> dhcp is de facto solution with residential isps
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18:22 < avemestr> Yep.
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18:32 < Bradipo> And when their DHCP changes, and things break, they'll learn what the parentheses mean. :-)
18:33 < Bradipo> And they'll never forget because they will have learned through experience, instead of just being spoonfed.
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18:35 < avemestr> It's OK you don't want to update your guide :-)
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18:35 < Bradipo> Are all these joins within a fraction of a second coincidence?
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18:36 < Bradipo> Haha, well, it's not my guide, and I see your point, but it would be better to teach the reader why they might need it.
18:37 < avemestr> Netsplit(s)? I've setup weechat to not show joins/leaves, so doesn't notice them.
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18:39 < avemestr> If you want it as well: /filter add joinquit * irc_join,irc_part,irc_quit *
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18:40 < lts> The gotcha for me with the parentheses was that no man or guide page specified that "self" might need parentheses as well
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18:46 < jf> i try to avoid using interface names in pf rules. i use interface groups instead. eg if i have an interface in a group called internal my pf rules are of the form 'pass in quick on internal from (internal:network) ..."
18:47 < Bradipo> lts: The treatment of parentheses in the man page is fairly generic.  It also doesn't say anything about putting parentheses around the word egress, or em0, or ix0, etc.
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19:35 < desnudopenguino> has anyone in here dealt with using a windows desktop and connecting it to an OpenBSD unbound server? windows is being a real turd and not using the unbound server, even though i've set it in the settings for my network connection. nslookup works as expected when i set the server to the unbound server. i have a local ".home" domain set up so i don't have to remember ip addresses of all my local servers and devices
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19:37 < avemestr> desnudopenguino: Does "ipconfig /all" list your unbound servers IP as the DNS server?
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19:49 < desnudopenguino> avemestr: it lists an ipv6, then the 2 i4v4 dns servers i added in the settings
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19:49 < desnudopenguino> and if i use nslookup, without setting the server, it uses the ipv6 server
19:50 < thrig> OS might prefer v6 by default
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20:56 < desnudopenguino> well i guess i can access things through WSL web browsers, changing the resolv.conf in the wsl environment. but this is annoying and weird.
20:58 < avemestr> Perhaps setup unbound also to serve on IPv6 and setup Windows to use that as well?
21:01 < avemestr> Or, it seems there's some "Interface Metric" you can set in Windows. Set it low on your IPv4 and it'll be prioritized over IPv6.
21:02 < avemestr> desnudopenguino: https://serverfault.com/a/1010660 < this answer, but read the others as well.
21:03 < avemestr> But enough about Windows!
21:03 < desnudopenguino> haha yeah sorry i brought up one of the scourges of the earth
21:03 < aaronm04> Is spamd good for people who receive emails from gmail and office365?
21:04 < aaronm04> As in, do the providers handle its greylisting well?
21:06 < thrig> gmail mixes poorly with greylisting due to how they send emails
21:08 < aaronm04> Ahhh
21:08 < aaronm04> Good to know. Thanks!
21:08 < aaronm04> Do people just whitelist all outgoing gmail IPs?
21:09 < thrig> probably. and you need to be picky about RBL as some RBL list gmail send IPs
21:09 < aaronm04> That's not great
21:12 < aaronm04> Maybe it'd help if spamd was extended to do reverse DNS and whitelist for certain matches to that
21:12 < thrig> maybe folks install rspamd
21:13 < aaronm04> Probably...
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21:21 < Bradipo> Gmail does eventually work with greylisting, just takes longer.
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21:22 < Bradipo> I don't whitelist any Gmail IPs---at least not until they whitelist mine. :-)
21:23 < Bradipo> Most legitimate email providers handle greylisting just fine.  Some better than others.
21:23 < Bradipo> That's kind of the point of greylisting.
21:23 < thrig> some customers might not support delayed emails, and won't be convinced that email could ever be delayed
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21:24 < Bradipo> Right, because the "internet" is 100% up, all the time.
21:25 < sibiria> mostly. just local outages
21:26 < Bradipo> Certainly, "local" outages are more frequent than general outages.
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