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06:23 < ivan_pari> I have a new AMD computer running 7.3, and noticed a little screen tearing, or some kind of minor artifacting (white lines appear and dissappear a bit, white). what info in dmesg should I confirm to see if it safe to put something like this: http://ix.io/4B1u in  /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
06:23 < ivan_pari> (in the past, I have goofed with that file and ended up not being able to get passed xenodm login... hehe
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06:41 < ivan_pari> hmm I will try adding tearfree option to a line in .xsession first
06:41 < ivan_pari> (xrandr)
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08:01 < wakaflaka> anybody tired of ls -R?
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08:02 < wakaflaka> i got this from i think it was the freebsd mailinglist years ago
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08:15 < wakaflaka> here's a more modern version of tree.sh: https://clbin.com/EHmio
08:16 < wakaflaka> (requires zsh though)
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08:33 < ozanc> hello guys
08:34 < ozanc> I want to ask some questions about libtls, is it the correct place?
08:35 < IcePic> you could try at least
08:35 < ozanc> :D
08:37 < ozanc> I use client functionality of libtls in my app in a non-blocking way. I somehow want to understand that peer disconnected, gracefully disconnected states
08:37 < ozanc> Currently, `tls_read` returns -1 if the peer disconnects so I cannot distinguish whether it is another error or just disconnect
08:38 < ozanc> tls_error() prints unexpected eof
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08:53 < ozanc> IcePic seems no success
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09:19 < dennis> wakaflaka: if you want to make that script an order of magnitude faster, then drop the forkout to `basename`. Just use `${file:t}` :) `:t` is a zsh modifier that works like `basename`.
09:21 < IcePic> ozanc: ozanc: perhaps libtls is just so many levels of abstraction that there is no difference between something breaking the tls session and remote just quitting
09:21 < dennis> the difference in my dotfile-git-repo is ~13s with the original script, and 0,3s with `${file:t}`
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09:29 < dennis> wakaflaka: also, colortree(1) is nice. It's in ports :)
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11:19 < wakaflaka> dennis: aaaah yeah right! man i can't believe i had basename in there
11:19 < wakaflaka> *stupid stupid stupid*
11:19 < wakaflaka> thanks for the heads up!
11:20 < dennis> (:
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12:48 < wakaflaka> its gonna go down today btw, im pretty sure (unless i run into more bugs)
12:48 < wakaflaka> the auditing of openbsd using gpt-3.5-turbo
12:49 < wakaflaka> its all gonna be served in a massive markdown file
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12:51 < wakaflaka> or wait till the end of the month when gpt4 becomes available
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14:12 < dev1ls> anthk_: o/
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16:02 < Filystyn> for hostname change
16:02 < Filystyn> i use myname file or hostname ?
16:02 < Filystyn> ( permanent )
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16:21 < jmcunx> That should be fine, worked for me when I chaned my host name a while ago
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16:29 < dayid> man 5 myname ;)
16:29 < dayid> myname, combined with /etc/hosts, which hostname(1) will use.
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16:50 < MrDumb> Hello, I am troubleshooting a screen-tearing/visual artifacting issue with some new hardware. I have put my questions + logs/info/troubleshooting in a pastebin. Thank you for any help! https://clbin.com/BZAMO
16:51 < Filystyn> thx
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18:18 < GnarledHorn> I just solved a dhcp address reservation issue I've been ignoring for days... turns out that when I wrote a mac address on a notepad, my sloppy scrawl wrote a lowecase b that I later misread as a number 6
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18:23 < fro> ok
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18:28 < dayid> nice
18:31 < BadCoderFinger> GnarledHorn:  Yeah, I'd love to say that I've never done that, but dangit... I have.
18:31 < BadCoderFinger> So you're not alone, heh
18:32 < lts> Fonts have security implications, manual fonts also
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19:28 < MrDumb> has anyone here configured an amdgpu config file for their openbsd machine, if so would you be willing to drop it in a pastbin for me to have a look?
19:30 < tommyrot> man: No entry for amdgpu.conf in the manual.
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19:31 < MrDumb> man amdgpu is what i've been reading
19:31 < MrDumb> similarly, on my intel igpu machine I have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/intel.conf
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19:48 < terminaldweller> si
19:53 < terminaldweller> sorry. butter fingers.
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20:37 < pardis> MrDumb: what exactly do you want to configure?
20:38 < MrDumb> pardis I want to enable the "TearFree" option
20:38 < pardis> that sounds like an easy thing to achieve
20:41 < MrDumb> It does, I enabled this option for an intel igpu by creating a  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/intel.conf and adding a few lines. however, I want to do this cautiously because I could bork X and find myself stuck outside the fence with xenodm staring at me
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20:43 < MrDumb> I took a look at other people's configs online (amdgpu) and they differed somewhat in content, path, and filename
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21:32 < topcat001> MrDumb: Are you using the modesetting ddx (`Driver "modesetting" in xorg.conf) or amdgpu ddx?
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21:32 < topcat001> In case it's the latter, amdgpu accepts a "TearFree" option.
21:33 < topcat001> AFAIK "intel" ddx also does, but not modesetting. There was a recent mesa commit for modesetting but that hasn't trickled down to us yet.
21:34 < MrDumb> topcat001 with this fresh install, I see no xorg.conf in any of the paths listed in xorg.conf manpage. So, I guess I'll need to create one?
21:35 < topcat001> I think so, because even with amd, a conf-less xorg will default to modesetting.
21:36 < MrDumb> I take it back, I found a 10-amdgpu.conf in /usr/X11R6/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
21:36 < topcat001> if one insists on modesetting (e.g., on some recent intel igpu) then picom works to eliminate tearing
21:37 < MrDumb>   /usr/X11R6/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-amdgpu.conf  https://clbin.com/MMzsw
21:38 < MrDumb> Maybe just add Option "TearFree" "True" in here
21:38 < topcat001> cool, so you can try adding `Option "TearFree" "true"`
21:39 < MrDumb> alright wish me luck XD
21:39 < topcat001> gl
21:40 < MrDumb> say, in case I break something. if I want to disable xenodm in rc.conf.local to be safe, how would I start x session without xenodm?
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21:40 < MrDumb> just startx? would that parse .xsession
21:40 < uwharrie> no, that would parse .xinitrc
21:41 < pardis> modifying that file is a terrible idea
21:41 < pardis> it will get overwritten by system upgrades
21:41 < MrDumb> pardis which file, the 10-amdgpu.conf?
21:41 < pardis> or even by syspatch, if there happen to be syspatches with updates to that file
21:41 < pardis> yes
21:41 < topcat001> I think they want to as a temporary test?
21:41 < MrDumb> ah so copy and move it to another directory listed in the man page?
21:41 < topcat001> do not disable xeno permanently!
21:41 < pardis> no need to copy it, you can just create your own config under /etc/X11
21:42 < pardis> both should apply
21:42 < pardis> (I think)
21:42 < MrDumb> gotcha. and yeah, I just wanted to disable xenodm temporarily incase I break X, I wouldn't be able to get to a terminal to fix it
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21:42 < pardis> I haven't needed to configure graphics drives in X.org in several years because they just work
21:43 < pardis> s/drives/drivers/
21:43 < uwharrie> you can switch to a different console if xenodm is broken
21:43 < MrDumb> me too. I've been using intel igpu's without issue, but I built a new AMD machine and have screen tearing.
21:43 < topcat001> yes I don't think it's necessary to disable xenodm even for testing
21:43 < MrDumb> oh okay. how does one switch to a console if xeno is borked? uwharrie
21:43 < pardis> Ctrl+Alt+F1
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21:43 < MrDumb> nice thanks
21:44 < pardis> if you somehow break X so badly that that doesn't work, you can always boot(8) into single-user mode
21:44 < pardis> and if you somehow break the kernel so badly that single-user mode is broken, you can boot bsd.rd
21:44 < topcat001> modesetting ddx (the default) does nothing to prevent tearing; depending on the hardware, one may get noticeable tearing.
21:44 < pardis> OpenBSD is quite easy to recover from anything but a completely messed-up filesystem
21:44 < MrDumb> yes but, I'm MrDumb keep in mind
21:45 < topcat001> however, that is not a malfunction; everything in conf-less works "as intended"
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21:46 < topcat001> TBH I only touch xorg conf as a last resort
21:46 < MrDumb> alright I copied 10-amdgpu.conf to /etc/X11 and added the tearfree option. we'll see what happens
21:47 < adi_onl> Hi, when doing user dirs like this https://misc.openbsd.narkive.com/6FjmJD9E/httpd-and-user-directories with httpd, is there any way to skip prefixing directories with ~? Meaning, can I map "location "/~*" to /users/<user> instead of /users/~<user>?
21:47 < topcat001> shake some windows :)
21:47 < MrDumb> it's strange, the tearing, if you can call it that happens even just sitting still. little verticle white lines appear and dissapear in an instant
21:48 < MrDumb> horizontal**
21:49 < MrDumb> alright breaking my machine back soon hopefully
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21:49 < pardis> adi_onl: have you tried 'request rewrite'?
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21:52 < MrDumb> alright I didn't break X but I still see artifacting, haha
21:52 < topcat001> the white artifacts are not "tearing"
21:52 < MrDumb> shoot. well I would be very happy to learn what they are
21:53 < thrig> all these buffers... lost... like tearing... in the rain
21:53 < topcat001> that's something else. However, can you confirm that the amdgpu DDX is running in xorg.0.log and that it has picked up TearFree?
21:53 < MrDumb> thrig was that a haiku
21:53 < topcat001> That was Roy Batty
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21:55 < MrDumb> topcat001 well, it looks like tearfree is still showing "auto" https://clbin.com/Vv7E2 which is strange because the artifacting appears to have increased after putting the config in /etc/x11
21:56 < MrDumb> at least when an xterm is up
21:57 < topcat001> if you move a "tall" exterm very quickly does it tear?
21:57 < adi_onl> @par
21:57 < topcat001> I would try booting a Ubuntu live iso and see if you get the white lines in Linux as well, as a check.
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21:59 < MrDumb> well, I tried this monitor out with another openbsd machine with intel igpu and no issues
22:00 < adi_onl> pardis Yeah, but in the example he gave, the "users" directory is outside of the main root directory of the server. I find it elegant how he did it by setting root, however root, doesn't support captures.
22:01 < topcat001> MrDumb: which card do you have?
22:02 < MrDumb> I'm running on integrated graphics, an AMD Ryzen 5 5600g
22:02 < topcat001> If possible please try the Ubuntu live cd test
22:02 < MrDumb> I can give it a shot. what would be the implication if it happens on ubunutu?
22:03 < uwharrie> bad hardware
22:03 < topcat001> I think the live cd starts X11 (not wayland) with modesetting ddx + amdgpu kernel driver. We would expect it to behave the same.
22:04 < MrDumb> gotcha
22:04 < topcat001> yeah if you get it on Linux then I don't know what to say :)
22:04 < MrDumb> I appreciate the ideas I'll try it out
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22:04 < MrDumb> I think I've ruled out the monitor itself, so maybe the motherboard is the issue. tried a bunch of cables too.
22:04 < topcat001> try the non-lts iso for the latest version
22:05 < topcat001> software/config wise I don't see an issue
22:06 < MrDumb> I have to use crappy linux at work, what cruel torture is this having to try it at home
22:07 < MrDumb> holy 4.6gb iso
22:07 < thrig> somehow, life goes on
22:07 < topcat001> the only thing I can think about is dynamic power management, which tends to be enabled by default
22:08 < MrDumb> I can't comprehend how a motherboard stored in adverse conditions and literally kicked around the back of a delivery truck for weeks could have and issues on arrival. inconcievable
22:08 < MrDumb> ah yes I should check the bios for that again, though I thought I turned everything like that off.
22:08 < topcat001> just to be sure ;)
22:09 < MrDumb> "you're buying another usb drive??" trying to explain to the better half that these things are like bobby pins, and that I broke something again so I need another one
22:09 < topcat001> I don't have amd on openbsd, so not sure how to disable pm in the driver.
22:10 < MrDumb> I thought I was cool for buying AMD but I'll wait to punish myself later after thorough testing
22:15 < MrDumb> should this line have changed: [    23.005] (==) AMDGPU(0): TearFree property default: auto  /var/log/Xorg.0.log to "true" after creating /etx/X11/10-amdgpu.conf and putting the tearfree option in that?
22:15 < topcat001> I'm not using amd rn so can't remember exactly.
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22:16 < MrDumb> alright I've got my ubuntu stick i'll give it a test
22:16 < topcat001> however tear is very easy to see even with just a long xterm 
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22:16 < topcat001> wonder if they saw that :)
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22:23 < MrDumb> well that's a relief, ubuntu 23.whatever was silky smooth and beautiful... much prettier than my i3 setup... no artifacting of any kind no matter what I did in X11.
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22:27 < MrDumb> ah better go back to bios and check for power saving stuff
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22:33 < thrig> and check for bios updates, etc
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22:33 < MrDumb> I just ran xrandr --output HDMI-A-0 --mode 2560x1440 --rate 59, reducing the refresh rate from 75 and the artifacting appears to be gone...
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22:34 < MrDumb> ubuntu however, I was able to set it to 75 no problem
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22:34 < MrDumb> interesting
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22:42 < topcat001> ok that is very interesting
22:43 < MrDumb> xrandr output https://clbin.com/RZbds
22:43 < topcat001> from what I gleaned (perhaps incorrectly) from the bug reports, the power state issue happened (past for linux) for frequencies > 60
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22:44 < topcat001> so it seems that openbsd has not yet picked up the fixes? I don't closely follow the xeno commits
22:45 < topcat001> gnome is pretty like macos is pretty, but I get grumpy very quickly without a proper tiling wm (also on i3 atm)
22:47 < topcat001> the workarounds are driver flags AIUI, so not sure if this can be mitigated through bios; worth a try though
22:48 < topcat001> I'm glad the hardware is fine at least!
22:49 < MrDumb> yes thanks for the assistance. I bought this gorgeous display, an Asus 'ProArt' PA278VCV. The picture is stunning. I guess I can survive without the refresh rate for now, probably not doing much to take advantage of it anyhow
22:52 < topcat001> I don't know if 60-75 is noticeable?
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22:52 < MrDumb> depends what you are doing. I'm not playing video games or anything.
22:52 < topcat001> I actually look for a 24 hz multipler refresh rate so I can framerate match the display to my videos
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