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00:32 < polarian> anyone here good with routing?
00:32 < polarian> so I have a /32 (NAT) and /29 IPv4 blocks
00:32 < polarian> the /32 is nated and works fine
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00:33 < polarian> I was told that you can also route the /29 on the same interface using aliases 
00:33 < polarian> and outbound it works fine, I can assign addresses from the /29 block and it works just fine
00:33 < polarian> inbound though, they all are bound by the router
00:33 < polarian> when I nmap them, I get the same list of addresses as the nat addr
00:33 < polarian> and the gateway addr of /29
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00:34 < polarian> every single address in the /29 returns the same thing when nmaping from WAN
00:34 < polarian> from LAN it works fine 
00:34 < polarian> any ideas?
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00:36 < polarian> IPv6 (which also works on a similar premise) works just fine when assigning from the /64 block 
00:36 < polarian> on LAN interface I have inet alias 217.169.18.56 255.255.255.248
00:37 < polarian> so anyone got any ideas?
00:39 < polarian> wait aliases assigns all the addresses to the interface
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03:17 < polarian> note: I have decided that IRC would be a bad place to discuss this, I have posted this problem at misc@openbsg.org mailing list!
03:17 < fro> k
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05:15 < gera> Hi. I'm considering to install openbsd on my dell latitude 5500. Will my network card be supported? Heres what lspci on linux says about it https://clbin.com/j1FZh
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05:17 < gera> also in dmesg:  iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Detected Intel(R) Wireless-AC 9560 160MHz, REV=0x312
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05:30 < fro> https://man.openbsd.org/iwm
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05:32 < gera> i see, thanks
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06:15 < bob_x1> im trying to mount vfat disk with next command: mount /dev/sd1 /mnt/test , and the error is: mount_ffs /dev/sd1 on /mnt/test no such file or directory. what Im doing wrong?
06:15 < hussein1_> bob_x1: what does ls -lah /mnt/test say? sounds like there's an issue with your mount point
06:16 < CosmicDJ> also try mount_msdos or mount -t msdos
06:16 < bob_x1> i created it. it exists. when it does not exist error was: mount: realpath /mnt/test no such file or directory
06:17 < bob_x1> the same error
06:18 < bob_x1> maybe something wrong with the arguments. its my first attempt to mount on openbsd
06:19 < quinq> bob_x1, if your file-system doesn't use a partition, you want to mount the full disk
06:19 < quinq> Then that's not sd1 but sd1i
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06:20 < bob_x1> it has a partition
06:20 < bob_x1> one partition to a whole drive
06:22 < CosmicDJ> disklabel sd1 ; check which partition is used (my guess: sd1a) and try to mount that
06:23 < bob_x1> fdisk says it has id: 0c
06:23 < bob_x1> is this letter correspond to device suffix sd1c ?
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06:25 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: 0c is the partition type, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_type
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06:25 < bob_x1> CosmicDJ: but where to get the suffix for my partition ? partition type is fat32
06:26 < quinq> Have you… tried?
06:26 < bob_x1> quinq: sd1i yes tried
06:26 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: I told you, run diskabel sd1
06:27 < bob_x1> ah sorry . now I see partition i is msdos
06:28 < bob_x1> so I run mount_msdos /dev/sd1i /mnt/test and get Permission denied error
06:28 < bob_x1> im under the root user
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07:50 < meologismo> do profiles and guix home interact with each other? are there any implications to using both?
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09:14 < MonsoonSecrecy> what scan software with OCR support is available?
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10:23 < sibiria> bob_x1: are you sure it's fat32 and not exfat?
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10:24 < sibiria> openbsd can only manage old conventional fat
10:31 < CosmicDJ> sibiria: partition type 0Ch seems to indicate it is (exfat should be 07h)
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10:44 < bob_x1> sibiria: no it's not exfat
10:44 < bob_x1> it's fat32
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10:45 < bob_x1> if I would have sources of mount_msdos tool then I would check where the error 'permission denied' appears
10:46 < bob_x1> I honestly do not understand what permissions it needs
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10:49 < sibiria> if you are root you should have all perms needed. does the destination directory exist?
10:49 < bob_x1> yes 
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10:49 < bob_x1> obviously I checked simple things
10:50 < bob_x1> the error is meaningless for me at this moment of my skills
10:50 < bob_x1> so I cannot derive info where and which permissions neede
10:51 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: pastebin? fdisk sd1; diskabel sd1; ls -ld /mnt /mnt/test; and your mount command + error?
10:53 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: src is here https://github.com/openbsd/src/tree/master/sbin/mount_msdos or https://github.com/openbsd/src/tree/master/sys/msdosfs
10:53 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: pastebin dmesg | tail -15 as well if you want/can
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11:34 < gera> So I installed openbsd, added menuentry to grub, that chainloads its EFI file and it works
11:34 < gera> However when I do grub-mkconfig on linux, the following warning is spammed
11:34 < gera> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: warning: Discarding improperly nested partition (hostdisk//dev/nvme0n1,gpt5,bsd1).
11:34 < gera> Any way to get rid of it?
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11:56 < bob_x1> CosmicDJ: https://bpa.st/raw/JXLA
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12:13 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: anything in dmesg? what happens when you try mounting read-only? mount_msdos -r /dev/...
12:15 < bob_x1> https://bpa.st/raw/UFMQ
12:15 < bob_x1> -r unknown option
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12:21 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: mount_msdos -o ro /dev/sd1...
12:22 < bob_x1> mounted
12:22 < bob_x1> oh thank you
12:22 < CosmicDJ> "sd1: 15080MB, 512 bytes/sector, 30883840 sectors, *readonly*"
12:22 < CosmicDJ> yw
12:23 < bob_x1> then it's hardware switch issue. it was in a lock state. for SD card
12:23 < bob_x1> ah... and you are smart one CosmicDJ 
12:24 < bob_x1> now switched to write state and mount without -o ro works too
12:26 < CosmicDJ> bob_x1: not smart, just persistent ;)
12:30 < bob_x1> is there a way I could display pdf files without X server ?
12:31 < bob_x1> something like mupdf in terminal where good video driver installed
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13:37 < a1fa> p/
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13:53 < GnarledHorn> Hello and happy monday everyone
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14:02 < BadCoderFinger> GnarledHorn:  Happy Caffeine Day!
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14:19 < a1fa> Monday? It's almost Tuesday 
14:20 < a1fa> Monday be long gone...
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14:23 < MonsoonSecrecy> Is Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE supported?
14:27 < oldlaptop> MonsoonSecrecy: Usually apropos(1) is a good resource for that kind of question; in this case I think not: https://man.openbsd.org/?query=realtek&apropos=1&sec=0&arch=default&manpath=OpenBSD-current
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14:33 < MonsoonSecrecy> oldlaptop: thanks
14:33 < oldlaptop> (as a general matter, if you're buying wifi hardware for openbsd you probably don't want the fancy ax stuff)
14:33 < oldlaptop> even most of 802.11n's added fancy features won't get used
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15:10 < Xeroine> Does anyone know how/what I should configure on my OpenBSD server so that the UID/GID of the NFS mount on the client are showing the UIDs and GIDs for the client non-root user? I think LDAP can be used to do this but I couldn't find exactly how to do this on OpenBSD.
15:12 < thrig> or use the same uid/gid when creating users, e.g. with Ansible or manually
15:13 < Xeroine> that's a pain in the ass though, LDAP seems better
15:13 < thrig> LDAP is a hilarious pain in the ass, especially when there are unsupported groups using a server and who cannot upgrade to ldaps
15:14 < oldlaptop> one who uses nightmarefs must accept the occasional gluteal discomfort
15:15 < thrig> also when LDAP fails it tends to drag everything down that depends on it, so you get chuckleheads who mandate LDAP on the DNS servers and whatnot
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15:16 < soundmodel> is it possible to get an user group stub to the official site?
15:16 < soundmodel> I'm not planning to setup a chartered organization, but only IRC and stuff
15:16 < Xeroine> On Linux I think this was handled automatically or configurable with nfs or /etc/exports somehow iirc, or maybe I just got lucky and had the same UIDs back then.
15:17 < Xeroine> I'd just like to get the same experience pretty much but on OpenBSD
15:17 < thrig> linux is no different
15:17 < Xeroine> oh
15:17 < thrig> well, there's pam and sssd and whatnot to make you life extra special complicated, but yeah more or less the same
15:18 < thrig> (sssd would, sometimes, forget LDAP group member lists)
15:18 < Xeroine> thrig: wait but you mentioned it's problematic when a group isn't configured, did you mean like a group that will be allowed to access that share? If so isn't it pretty easy to fix by just configuring it?
15:18 < thrig> what does "configure" mean
15:19 < Xeroine> I don't know, I haven't been able to find what/where/how I'm supposed to configure for what I would like to achieve here using LDAP on OpenBSD
15:19 < thrig> dunno, I usually try to get rid of LDAP or minimize it and maintain passwd and group by other means
15:20 < Xeroine> I assume I would need to install or use something preinstalled that has the ability to somehow control the UIDs that show up on a client when it's mounted and then keep a track of them
15:20 < oldlaptop> If you have a bunch of systems on the same OS (linux "distros" being OSes for this purpose) with the same users added in the same order, the UIDs and GIDs will probably just happen to match
15:21 < Xeroine> yeah I guess they did back when I tried this where everything was running linux
15:23 < Xeroine> but now I happen to be on MacOS and my non-root user's UID is 501 and I thought of changing it to match the server. I think I would need to re-add the user but that seems like the wrong way of doing this. I've seen people encouring others to use LDAP when I googled questions like these about NFS UIDs.
15:31 < Xeroine> okay I will keep looking, I guess I will use samba if I can't find anything unless anyone has better suggestions
15:32  * oldlaptop really isn't sure whether the samba headache is any better than the nfs headache
15:32 < thrig> yeah I'd use not samba and not nfs
15:32 < Xeroine> samba is a headache too? I thought it's supposed to be simpler
15:32 < Xeroine> sigh
15:32 < oldlaptop> It's what windows clients want to speak, so it's simpler for them
15:32 < Xeroine> I don't know, sshfs then?
15:33 < oldlaptop> If the client can run it, sshfs can be pretty nice.
15:33 < Xeroine> oldlaptop: but doesn't it work fine on UNIX based OSs that support it? what issues are there?
15:33 < sibiria> if you're on macOS, netatalk might be an option for you.
15:33 < sibiria> i've used it for some 15 years on openbsd to serve content for OSX/macOS machines
15:34 < thrig> generally I move files around with git or rsync when need be
15:34 < oldlaptop> (I've not been impressed with sshfs the client software running on openbsd's fuse implementation, but of course that isn't a problem for a linux or macos client sshfs-ing to an openbsd server)
15:34 < Xeroine> I'm gonna want to mount on OpenBSD or Linux as well
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15:35 < thrig> sshfs was very unimpressive compared to NFS when I last looked at it
15:35 < oldlaptop> I'd pessimistically question whether transparent network mounts are a good idea in the first place
15:35 < sibiria> sshfs is slower than a snail on holiday
15:35 < thrig> slow, no support for locks that the client software needed
15:35 < oldlaptop> I wouldn't trust any network filesystem's locking
15:36 < soundmodel> any ideas what it means that / reports that write fails and file system is full
15:36 < oldlaptop> soundmodel: Probably that the filesystem is full.
15:36 < soundmodel> I'm not running that many apps that I'd expect it to be pages
15:36 < soundmodel> but I haven't done anything
15:36 < soundmodel> and I have only installed firefox
15:36 < sibiria> soundmodel: "df -h" tells you what about /?
15:37 < sibiria> do you happen to store /home on the / disk label instead of a separate one? firefox will cache to disk infinitely
15:37 < soundmodel> Filesystem     Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
15:37 < oldlaptop> other important information: What program shows you this error message? What exactly *is* the error message? What's the partition layout look like? (that last one will be answered reasonably well by df -h)
15:37 < oldlaptop> Please don't paste directly in the channel
15:38 < soundmodel> ?
15:38 < oldlaptop> there are lots of pastebin sites available; the one linked in the topic is one option, there are many others
15:38 < CosmicDJ> soundmodel: just pastebin df -h
15:38 < sibiria> what's the "capacity %" of your / filesystem?
15:38 < sibiria> writing just that number is fine
15:38 < soundmodel> 104%
15:38 < soundmodel> Avail -37.3M
15:38 < sibiria> well, there you go
15:38 < sibiria> cd /; du -sh ./*
15:38 < soundmodel> yes the problem is likely that firefox did this
15:39 < soundmodel> but how to fix
15:39 < sibiria> will give you a hint to where the clogging is
15:39 < oldlaptop> You need to figure out what's filling the disk up first.
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15:39 < soundmodel> but I see the message when running firefox
15:39 < sibiria> and if it is firefox, my personal recommendation is that you disable on-disk cache and configure it to use in-memory cache only
15:40 < oldlaptop> That will tell you in practice either that you filled up /dev or /etc somehow, or that using one-big-/ was a bad idea and you should split out /home or /var or /usr/local or whatever it is.
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15:40 < oldlaptop> Welp.
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15:41 < thrig> copying linux dd commands is a great way to fill up / on OpenBSD
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15:44 < soundmodel> that cd command above does not show anything that's too large
15:44 < soundmodel> and Firefox said it only uses 117MB
15:46 < soundmodel> is it out of RAM
15:47 < oldlaptop> It might be best if you can pastebin the output of at least `df -h` and something like sibiria's du invocation (`du -hs /*` would be my habit).
15:48 < se1> ncdu -x / is useful sometimes
15:48 < soundmodel> https://pastebin.com/CqpyxWBw
15:48 < soundmodel> this is about memory
15:49 < thrig> memory is a little unrelated to a disk space issue
15:49 < oldlaptop> That's saying that of your 8038M of physical RAM, 7776M are available for applications.
15:49 < soundmodel> no but I thought if memory would have been full due to buggy firefox or something
15:49 < soundmodel> and then the error would be about paged memory
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15:50 < oldlaptop> Swap is generally on a separate swap partition, and in any case none of the errors you've talked about sound anything like RAM (or swap) exhaustion.
15:50 < soundmodel> but df -h shows nothing except that / has capacity 104% and Avail -37.4M
15:50 < soundmodel> other partitions seem ok
15:50 < oldlaptop> It would be far more useful to pastebin the output of df -h and du -hs /*
15:51 < thrig> no, no, this memory sidequest seems interesting
15:51 < se1> sidequest haha
15:53 < soundmodel> I don't know
15:53 < soundmodel> maybe it's some temporary bu
15:53 < soundmodel> bug*
15:53 < soundmodel> but I did nothing else than use FF until it started appearing
15:54 < se1> soundmodel: since df told you that / is filled up, look in / to see what's taking up the space
15:54 < soundmodel> but du -hs /* shows nothing too big
15:55 < thrig> reboot, then
15:55 < soundmodel> df -h also says
15:55 < soundmodel> Size 986M and Used 974M
15:55 < soundmodel> still Avail -37.4M
15:55 < soundmodel> so as if the calculator just sucks
15:55 < sibiria> no it's just that there's a 5% margin in play as well
15:55 < sibiria> reserved for the super user
15:55 < sibiria> don't ask about it at this juncture. it's for later
15:55 < sibiria> just clear your firefox disk cache
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16:04 < Lowly_Drainpipe> Q: what user does daily.local run under? Moved some S3 sync calls from crontab (created with `doas crontab -e`) to /etc/daily.local, but the daily job is having issues finding the right credentials when daily.local runs, so the S3 sync fails.
16:04 < Lowly_Drainpipe> Q: what user does daily.local run under? Moved some S3 sync calls from crontab (created with `crontab -e`) to daily.local, but having issues finding the right credentials when daily.local runs, so the S3 sync fails.
16:04 < thrig> doas crontab -l | grep dai
16:05 < phy1729> or the second paragraph in man daily
16:05 < Lowly_Drainpipe> Does daily.local run under root? I moved some AWS scripts from crontab (`doas crontab -e`) to daily.local, but the scripts are having trouble finding the correct permissions profiles now.
16:06 < thrig> guess what doas does
16:06 < phy1729> Lowly_Drainpipe: please stop reposting
16:07 < phy1729> (Your client may allow you to edit a message, but is actually just sending a new message. If that's the case you should configure it to not do that.)
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16:34 < lts> So this is why we got AMD microcode https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2023/07/24/1
16:36 < a1fa> swet
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17:08 < oldlaptop> also relevant: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=169021508718971&w=2
17:09 < jfsimon> There are both user and root crontabs, i guess the default user crontab might be empty though
17:09 < oldlaptop> (openbsd libc doesn't have much avx in it, which limits immediate impact)
17:09 < jfsimon> so generally a fresh system shall have the root crontabs
17:10 < Bradipo> jfsimon: Not only is it empty, it doesn't even exist.
17:10 < jfsimon> ok
17:10 < Bradipo> Only the root crontab exists by default.
17:11 < se1> oldlaptop: thanks for posting that link
17:17 < lts> What happened to reasonable disclosure and releasing exploit code only after the world has had a reasonable ability to patch
17:18 < lts> Very few operating systems offer the patched microcode at this moment, and then you'll have to reboot production
17:18 < thrig> there was a lot of rebooting for the meltdown and whatnot
17:18 < oldlaptop> lts: The disclosing party claims to have notified AMD *two months* ago
17:19 < IcePic> if you can't whip up a firmware in two months for a huge security hole, then more months won't help either I guess
17:19 < oldlaptop> the longer you wait, the more superficial attractiveness so-called "responsible disclosure" loses
17:20 < lts> AMD released the firmware five days ago, and operating systems will release their microcode packages in X days from now. This is the real-world metric, not the time since notification to vendor
17:20 < lts> I mean sure, release it if AMD does nothing for months
17:20 < thrig> there are risks to using other people's computers
17:21 < oldlaptop> lts: Consider also that there's no way the vendor and the supposedly "responsible" researcher can know the bad guys don't already know about the hole.
17:22 < oldlaptop> in pretty much every case I'd rather know about, at a bare minimum, the existence of a problem
17:22 < lts> I do not see how releasing the details, including a working exploit code, helps with that
17:22 < phy1729> "This microcode is effective when late-loaded, which can be performed on a live system without reboot." https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2023/07/24/2
17:22 < lts> He could have waited for a week
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17:23 < oldlaptop> lts: In this case it provides you with the information you need to mitigate the problem, whether your vendors are being actually-responsible or not
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17:25 < Bradipo> Just because such an exploit exists doesn't necessarily mean that everyone is vulnerable.  Security is also about risk evaluation.
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17:25 < tommyrot> a timely disclosure is preferable so people can do their own risk assessment and act accordingly
17:25 < Bradipo> Right.
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17:46 < lts> "AMD told us that patches to prevent Zenbleed are available for its EPYC Rome processors, but hasn't said if they are available for the impacted consumer Ryzen CPUs." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:46 < lts> (ref. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/zenbleed-bug-allows-data-theft-from-amds-zen-2-processors-patches-released )
17:48 < thrig> epic!
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18:07 < jf> check the timeline (in the README.md) in the gh repo https://github.com/google/security-research/tree/master/pocs/cpus/zenbleed (this was taviso's pr). reads like there was some surprise in the disclosure schedule 
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18:27 < Bradipo> Are any of the exploits "remote"?  Seems like this might be another local exploit, right?
18:28 < sibiria> needs free execution on the host
18:29 < Bradipo> Right.
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18:32 < thrig> how free execution? random JavaScript or WASM?
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18:33 < oldlaptop> jf: so the *vendor* broke the "responsible" embargo
18:33 < oldlaptop> after sitting around and doing nothing for nearly two months
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18:35 < thrig> maybe the firmware guy was on vacation
18:36 < oldlaptop> I wonder who the "partners" they sent "an SN" to are. Motherboard vendors?
18:36 < oldlaptop> (if so they'd be the most incompetent actors almost by definition)
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18:42 < IcePic> thrig: I think someone did javascript
18:43 < thrig> ruh roh
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18:44 < IcePic> unverified but still sounds as plausible as meltdown or spectre being done over js
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20:54 < thrig> patch monday, I guess
20:55 < zelest> :D
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21:04 < zelest> zenbleed patches applied. :D
21:04 < thrig> obzen
21:05  * zelest is obscene
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21:10 < zelest> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=169021508718971&w=2 for those who only think syspatch is enough.
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21:11 < thrig> das boot, install boot,
21:11 < zelest> :)
21:11 < GnarledHorn> sysupgrade does the trick fully for affected platforms, right? I was reading that syspatch requires the fw_update and installboot steps, but sysupgrade does that already, right?
21:12 < thrig> unplug the system, encase in concrete, and drop into a deep sea trench
21:12 < sibiria> no, you need to reboot
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21:12 < sibiria> because ucode is only loaded by openbsd during init
21:12 < sibiria> same as for all other firmware
21:12 < GnarledHorn> sysupgrade does a reboot already
21:13 < zelest> GnarledHorn, correct
21:13 < zelest> GnarledHorn, the installer runs the installboot everytime.
21:13 < GnarledHorn> It's a dividend for staying -current in this case :)
21:14 < zelest> hehe, it's not *that* much more work .P
21:14 < zelest> syspatch && fw_update && installboot -v sd0 && reboot
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21:14 < zelest> or wd0 if you use that
21:14 < zelest> it's also nice to see that amd opcode was backported to 7.2
21:15 < zelest> (and 7.3)
21:15 < GnarledHorn> updating the cloud boxen, back in a few
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22:07 < prahou> er with the techno-mage
22:07 < prahou> 23:09 <prahou> 'Techno-Mage and FOSS-Giants'
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22:08 < thrig> techno-magic is uber-tragic
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22:09 < prahou> sorry, i cant computers
22:09 < prahou> what do you mean tragic though
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22:11 < thrig> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song31.mp3
22:11 < quinq> That's too much for me
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22:25 < ArtGravity> @thrig Best OpenBSD song ever!
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22:25 < ArtGravity> Systemagic!
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23:26 < ox1eef_> Where can I find the errata file ? Does syspatch only work for -RELEASE ? When I try to run it, I get: 7.3-stable unsupported release.
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23:27 < tommyrot> openbsd.org -> patches
23:28 < ox1eef_> I was on the errata page for 7.3. It does not cover zenbleed.
23:28 < tommyrot> 011 012 013
23:29 < ox1eef_> Ah, thanks.
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23:37 < pardis> if you have built -stable yourself, you can indeed not use syspatch, nor should you want to
23:37 < pardis> they are two alternative ways to get the same patches
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23:41 < ox1eef_> I have updated via CVS, rebuilt the kernel, rebuilding userland now, and then I will try fw_update.
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