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05:45 < bob_x1> Zyxer try to set it via /etc/kbdtype
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06:30 < se1> hmm. I've had a couple of instances where my 7.3 amd64 desktop freezes up this week, had to hold the power button down. this one just occured while trying to launch Iridium browser. I looked at /var/log/messages and see this: https://clbin.com/YcnCJ any idea what to make of it?
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06:35 < se1> not sure if this is anything relevant but also /var/log/xenodm.log https://clbin.com/WkNAu
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11:41 < terminaldweller> to operate an internet-facing openbsd box, which manpages should i read?
11:41 < kremlin> akspecs:
11:42 < kremlin> oops, mistype
11:43 < jcmdln> terminaldweller: Depends on what services you expose to the internet. At minimum sshd(8) I suppose...
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11:47 < CosmicDJ> terminaldweller: I'd start with pf and pf.conf (though the PF FAQ an other websites are better to get started)
11:50 < ludovicus> Never underestimate the almighty packet filter
11:50 < terminaldweller> jcmdln: i think sshd and sshd from openssh-portable share the same manpage, right? if so i should be good on that front.
11:51 < terminaldweller> CosmicDJ: thats a good one. thanks.
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11:52 < terminaldweller> i guess httpd and anything rc-related as well?
11:52 < jcmdln> They are indeed the same. On a fresh install of OpenBSD, sshd is one of the few services that is likely to be running, other than what services you enable. If you enable a service, read the man page.
11:52 < terminaldweller> ok. will do.
11:53 < jcmdln> Adding to pf as suggested by CosmicDJ, check out The Book of PF, and I believe Peter also has a series of blog posts and conference lectures
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11:57 < terminaldweller> ok thanks jcmdln 
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12:06 < CosmicDJ> if you don't have the book, this here https://home.nuug.no/~peter/pftutorial/ seems to be the most up2date pf introduction
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12:09 < terminaldweller> CosmicDJ: thanks
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13:03 < TheyCallMePaul> Is it possible to install a patch in single user mode (boot -s)?
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13:07 < TheyCallMePaul> Nevermind (sigh)
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15:22 < geezabiscuit> I'm running 7.3 stable. When issuing 'pkg_info -Q nextcloud' I get a list of nextcloud server packages but not the nextcloud client. However on https://openports.pl I can see that there is a nextcloud client package, and indeed issuing 'pkg_add nextcloudclient' worked. I've noticed the same behaviour from pkg_info with other ports. Any idea why
15:22 < geezabiscuit> pkg_info seems to be missing things?
15:25 < a1fa> o/
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15:26 < rjc> geezabiscuit: my best quess is that you're seeing -stable nextcloud package result queries - this has been mentined somewere but i can't quite remember whether espie@ posted something about it or someone else
15:28 < rjc> there: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=167507810707134&w=2
15:31 < phy1729> I don't think you need that workaround since pkg_info -aQ should work (there's a separate meaning for -a documented under -Q)
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15:47 < geezabiscuit> Thanks, -aQ does work.
15:49 < jfsimon1981> Hi,
15:49 < jfsimon1981> Do you know how to create a video loopback pls ?
15:50 < rjc> phy1729: yup, you're absolutely right - funny sthen@ didn't mention it :^P
15:51 < phy1729> In his defense it is documented oddly
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15:53 < rjc> phy1729: absolutely, why the different behaviour to begin with, surely eveyrone would prefer -Q to check all paths, not just the first, no?
15:54 < geezabiscuit> Is there a risk that installing a package that doesn't have a -stable update may not work, assuming that one of the errata patches impacts something that the package depends on?
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15:55 < phy1729> I don't think an errata has ever resulted in an ABI change.
15:55 < rjc> however, if it is at all desired, it should be the other way around - the current behaviour (first only the first path) should require an additional option
15:56 < phy1729> rjc: probably; could always send a patch to tech@
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16:05 < rjc> phy1729: i know the drill ;^)
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16:23 < jfsimon1981> Hi i'm trying to stream gphoto2 | ffmpeg to make a camera useful as a webcam and video recording, this command works if the video loopback is created, do you how to make it work ?
16:23 < jfsimon1981> gphoto2 --stdout --capture-movie | ffmpeg -i - -vcodec rawvideo -pix_fmt yuv420p -threads 0 -f v4l2 /dev/video1
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16:49 < a1fa> Can RTL-SDR output be sent to fldigi?
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16:51 < Bradipo> Where does the output come from?
16:51 < Bradipo> Is it a device?
16:52 < Bradipo> Looks like a USB SDR.
16:53 < Bradipo> I've used fldigi before, but not with any actual device, just receiving through the sound card for swling.
16:53 < jfsimon1981> Thanks
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16:53 < jfsimon1981> that's a camera, canon 5D
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17:02 < a1fa> http://ports.su/comms/rtl-sdr
17:03 < a1fa> rtl_sdr:tunes the device and captures raw data to a file
17:03 < a1fa> i suppose you could make a pipe
17:03 < Bradipo> Well, fldigi can be configured with a path to a device.
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17:06 < a1fa> "For Ham Radio purposes, just listening to the signal might not be sufficient. For example one might want to send the received signal to fldigi to decode digital modes. That’s not hard to do. I was able to get it working using the Pulse Audio Volume Control to link the input of fldigi to the output of gqrx. I learned how by watching YouTube videos by Kevin Loughlin, KB9RLW, which were most helpful"
17:06 < a1fa> meh pulseaudio
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17:07 < Bradipo> I never really had much success decoding digital modes with fldigi.
17:08 < Bradipo> On OpenBSD that is.
17:08 < jonadab> Ugh, pulseaudio.
17:08 < Erhard> I have not tried in OpenBSD. No problem in Winders.
17:08 < Bradipo> I could get it to decode CW.
17:08 < Bradipo> My source was a pretty dirty signal from a "world" radio plugged into the line in of the sound card.
17:09 < Bradipo> I was also able to successfully decode WFAX.
17:09 < jonadab> It's normal for radio signals to have some noise.
17:10 < Bradipo> Well, in my case it's likely due to lack of good antenna setup, just using a wire indoors.
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17:10 < Erhard> Makes a huge difference.
17:10 < jonadab> That would make a difference, yes.
17:10 < Erhard> I was using a 145ft doublet at 60ft with a tuner.
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17:11 < Erhard> Probably close to 20db difference in S/N
17:12 < Bradipo> 60ft above ground?
17:12 < Erhard> yeah
17:12 < Erhard> I use it to xmit at 1500W as well. Or used it before I moved last year.
17:13 < a1fa> ^ wow
17:13 < Bradipo> But from Winders, not OpenBSD. :-)
17:13 < Erhard> Yes. I did not try OpenBSD for it.
17:13 < Erhard> Maybe when I put up my station at my new house.
17:13 < a1fa> well, i am slowly phasing ubuntu out 
17:14 < Erhard> There is pretty good support on it, no?
17:14 < a1fa> either need to go to debian, or openbsd as a workstation/desktop
17:14 < a1fa> what you tx at 1500W?
17:14 < Erhard> SSB ragchewing.
17:14 < Erhard> Ham radio stuff
17:14 < a1fa> is that not a lot?
17:15 < a1fa> 40m?
17:15 < Erhard> That is the max legal in the US
17:15 < Bradipo> How did you achieve the 60ft?  Did you use support tower?
17:15 < Erhard> Trees
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17:15 < Bradipo> Was it vertical or horizontal?
17:15 < a1fa> you doing 1500W on 40m?
17:15 < Erhard> Somebody it apt to come along and tell us to take this elsehwere given it is not OpenBSD related.
17:15 < Erhard> Yes, 80m, 40m, 20m, etc...
17:16 < Bradipo> Well, the original question is RTL-SDR on OpenBSD. :-)
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17:16 < Erhard> The antenna worked, but not very well, for 160m as well.
17:17 < Erhard> There is #hamradio here, btw
17:17 < Bradipo> I have an interest in ham on OpenBSD, just takes time and money to get there.
17:17 < Erhard> Yeah, it's a money and time suck
17:17 < a1fa> There is also #hambsd
17:17 < Erhard> Oh?
17:17 < thrig> lovely ham! wonderful ham! ham ham ham ham ham
17:17 < a1fa> https://hambsd.org/index.html
17:18 < Bradipo> certificate expired.
17:19 < a1fa> it's funny.. 
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17:22 < a1fa> it's lets encrypt
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17:24 < a1fa> it's pretty dead overthere Erhard 
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17:27 < jfsimon1981> thx
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19:50 < rahl> When in a root shell, how might I use doas to open a user shell without requiring root's password?
19:50 < rahl> Or is that a bad idea for some reason?
19:52 < GnarledHorn> if you're root, you don't need doas. Just use su (1)
19:52 < sibiria> if you are already toor you don't need doas
19:52 < GnarledHorn> as for a good idea or not, I'll pass
19:52 < sibiria> just: su -l <user>
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19:52 < sibiria> it's an entirely fine way to substitute, which is sometimes needed
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19:56 < rahl> Thank you for the clarity - I really should have known that by now
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20:14 < chakuari> hi
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20:25 < chakuari> trying irssi, catgirl and ircii
20:26  * quinq starts spreading the word around
20:26 < chakuari> at the moment irssi is leading, but...
20:26  * pardis guesses who's back in town
20:26  * chakuari laughing
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20:29 < a1fa> so anyone using gnome-console?
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20:29 < quinq> I hope gnome-console developers, at least
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20:30 < a1fa> it's a great little terminal
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20:30 < a1fa> it just needs transparency 
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20:31 < jmcunx> a1fa: I had to use it at work, and yes it is good.  But, if on OpenBSD I justs tick wit Xterm due to security :)
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20:31 < a1fa> brutal punishment ;)
20:31 < jmcunx> tick = stick :)
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20:32 < a1fa> https://apps.gnome.org/app/org.gnome.Console/
20:32 < a1fa> latest version is 44.. but on stable, we got 43
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21:40 < fifi> hey is node.js and yarn possible to build on openBSD?
21:41 < pardis> nope, there definitely aren't packages for them
21:41 < pardis> so don't even bother trying pkg_info -Q
21:41 < fifi> can they be built from source?
21:42 < sibiria> fifi: the s in pardis is for sarcasm
21:42 < fifi> haha :)
21:42 < fifi> I am looking for some viable web client for my irc server and thelounge.chat seems to be a good idea
21:42 < ox1eef_> node -v
21:42 < ox1eef_> v18.15.0
21:42 < ox1eef_> Works fine.
21:42 < sibiria> always check for package first pkg_info.. rule #1
21:43 < sibiria> +with
21:43 < fifi> ;o
21:43 < fifi> oh dang, I wouldn't think that it's there!
21:43 < fifi> ok thanks! sorry :)
21:43 < fifi> wow I am impressed with openBSD now even more
21:43 < fifi> brilliant
21:44 < fifi> <3
21:49 < fifi> ok now I have got a challenge to use growfs so I can add 1GB from home partition to /usr/local
21:49 < fifi> ;o
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22:03 < Bradipo> fifi: Unless they are contiguous, not likely to be successful.
22:03 < Bradipo> Probably best to just dump/reformat/restore.
22:04 < fifi> I have got 20GB on my openBSD vps
22:04 < fifi> and when I am trying to install yarn
22:04 < fifi> Error: /dev/sd0h on /usr/local is not large enough (/usr/local/share/node/node-v18.15.0-headers.tar.gz)
22:05 < fifi> 2gb free on the home partition
22:06 < Bradipo> Are the /usr/local and /home partitions contiguous?
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22:09 < pardis> even if they are contiguous, a filesystem cannot be shrunk in place
22:09 < pardis> so you will, at a minimum, need to dump/reformat/restore /home
22:09 < pardis> you *may* be able to get away with growfs on /usr/local
22:10 < pardis> the only case in which no reformat is necessary is if you have free space immediately after the partition you want to grow
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22:12 < fifi> damn, that sounds more complicated than I thought
22:12 < Bradipo> If /home follows /usr/local, at a minimum you can backup /home and then resize the partition, reformat it with newfs, mount it up and restore, then "grow" /usr/local.
22:12 < fifi>   /dev/sd0h on /usr/local: 68960601 bytes (missing 5381 blocks)
22:12 < fifi> and then there's node... no way I can install that
22:12 < Bradipo> If /home precedes /usr/local, then you're going to have to redo both.
22:13 < Bradipo> fifi: Can you pastebin your disklabel somewhere?
22:13 < fifi> sure
22:13 < pardis> if you really only need an extra 5381 blocks, 'tunefs -m0 /usr/local' may be sufficient
22:14 < pardis> that won't get you much extra space, but it will get you some
22:14 < Bradipo> Still, living on the edge.
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22:15 < fifi> disklabel
22:15 < fifi> https://paste.oddprotocol.org/odd/64c19af55cbd5.html
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22:17 < pardis> you cannot reallocate space from /home to /usr/local with that layout
22:17 < pardis> you could swap /home and /usr/local around
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22:17 < pardis> or you could delete /usr/src and /usr/obj if you never intend to build the system from source
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22:20 < Bradipo> Also, better to use actual block values than human readable sizes... easier to calculate this way.
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22:21 < fifi> ok
22:21 < Bradipo> Do you use /usr/src and /usr/obj?
22:21 < fifi> delete /usr/src /usr/obj and the locate that to /usr/local?
22:21 < fifi> nope
22:22 < Bradipo> If you delete i and j  you can then change the boundaries of h.
22:23 < fifi> ok
22:23 < fifi> :>
22:23 < fifi> sounds good
22:23 < fifi> but I gotta unmount the partition first
22:23 < fifi> so I probably to have reboot my vps??
22:26 < Bradipo> You can boot to single user mode.
22:26 < Bradipo> Do you have console access?
22:26 < Bradipo> Also, do you have any data in /usr/local that you want to preserve?
22:27 < pardis> there is no need to boot to single-user mode, you can signal init(8) to resume single-user mode on a running system, but even that isn't necessary to unmount /usr/local
22:27 < sibiria> you can unmount and edit the disklabel "live"
22:27 < Bradipo> e.g. have you installed any packages?
22:27 < Bradipo> pardis: Yeah, what I meant was: shutdown now
22:27 < pardis> in most cases, you can just stop any pkg_scripts you have enabled and /usr/local should be unused
22:27 < Bradipo> So no need to "reboot", but enter single user mode is what I meant.
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22:28 < Bradipo> But that's also a fair point, you can just stop everything that uses /usr/local and then unmount it, dump it to /home (maybe pipe through gzip first).
22:29 < fifi> yeah I have got a lot of stuff in /usr/local
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22:29 < fifi> yeah
22:29 < fifi> that's not bad idea
22:29 < fifi> yeah I have got console access
22:30 < Bradipo> Shouldn't need it though as pardis mentioned.
22:30 < Bradipo> Can you unmount it now or do you get errors?
22:35 < Bradipo> If you want to backup *before* you unmount: cd /usr/local && dump 0f - . | gzip -v -o /home/usr_local_dump.gz
22:36 < Bradipo> Otherwise you'll have to specify the device in the dump command.
22:36 < Bradipo> This is basically a modified set of steps from: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#DupFS
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22:40 < Bradipo> Then unmount /usr/local, /usr/src, and /usr/obj, delete i and j, change the "size" of h to use the space now available from i and j, and then use growfs (again in FAQ http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#GrowPartition )
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22:43 < fifi> it says umount home is busy
22:43 < fifi> ok
22:43 < Bradipo> Then mount /usr/local again, and use restore to get your files back: gzip -dc /home/usr_local_dump.gz | (cd /usr/local && restore -rf - )
22:43 < Bradipo> Yeah, you'll need to make sure nothing has /home open.
22:43 < Bradipo> You can use: fstat -f /home
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22:43 < Bradipo> That will help you identify things that have it open.  If it's your shell, try: cd /
22:44 < fifi> ok :) tnx :)
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22:46 < pardis> why are you unmounting /home?
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22:47 < Bradipo> Definitely don't want to umount /home because you have to write the dump output there.
22:48 < Bradipo> It won't hurt if you unmount it afterward, but it's kind of pointless since you're not altering /home.
22:48 < pardis> and it won't be possible if you aren't logged in directly as root
22:48 < pardis> if you logged in as an ordinary user and used su/doas to get root, then you have a user shell holding /home open
22:48 < Bradipo> Should be possible if the CWD of the shell is not in /home though.
22:49 < Bradipo> Unless there is some open file.
22:49 < pardis> I think the sshd child might have the homedir open anyway, I'm not sure
22:49 < pardis> but as you say, it's pointless so it's a problem not worth thinking about
22:49 < Bradipo> Right.
22:50 < Bradipo> I guess I often do these sorts of changes from the console, so I don't worry about SSH holding /home hostage.
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22:51 < Bradipo> fifi: Why are you unmounting /home?
22:52 < pardis> I would do this from the console too if I had to unmount /home, but it's perfectly safe to frobnicate /usr/local over ssh
22:52 < Bradipo> Yep.
22:53 < fifi> I don't have to unmount home them
22:53 < fifi> then
22:54 < fifi> ok I created a backup of home
22:54 < Bradipo> Whoa...
22:54 < fifi> uu I mean /usr/local
22:54 < Bradipo> ok.
22:54 < Bradipo> What's the size of your backup?  Make sure it has what you think.
22:54 < fifi> -rw-r--r--   1 root      wheel     599524482 Jul 26 23:48 usr_local_dump.gz
22:55 < Bradipo> In fact, you could "verify" it by just dumping the filenames: gzip -dc usr_local_dump.gz | restore -tf -
22:55 < Bradipo> But it looks good.
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22:57 < fifi> ok so I am not able to umount /usr/local because I have got like 15 processes running fk
22:58 < Bradipo> Did you stop the processes as pardis mentioned above?
22:58 < fifi> That's the fstat: # /usr/local$ fstat -f /usr/local
22:58 < fifi> USER     CMD          PID   FD MOUNT        INUM  MODE         R/W    SZ|DV
22:58 < fifi> root     fstat      95948   wd /usr/local        2  drwxr-xr-x     r      512
22:58 < fifi> root     ksh        37672   wd /usr/local        2  drwxr-xr-x     r      512
22:58 < fifi> www      php-fpm-8.2 74382 text /usr/local   285140  -rwxr-xr-x     r 16364304
22:58 < fifi> www      php-fpm-8.2 80589 text /usr/local   285140  -rwxr-xr-x     r 16364304
22:58 < fifi> www      php-fpm-8.2 87809 text /usr/local   285140  -rwxr-xr-x     r 16364304
22:58 < fifi> root     php-fpm-8.2  5831 text /usr/local   285140  -rwxr-xr-x     r 16364304
22:58 < fifi> _mysql   mariadbd   66880 text /usr/local    77771  -rwxr-xr-x     r 30407088
22:58 < fifi> root     sh         31267   10 /usr/local   103995  -rwxr-xr-x   rep    31168
22:58 < fifi> monsieur mutt        7102 text /usr/local   107032  -rwxr-xr-x     r  1265976
22:58 < fifi> _dovecot stats      86044 text /usr/local    77904  -rwxr-xr-x     r    82648
22:58 < fifi> monsieur ices       30321 text /usr/local   107751  -rwxr-xr-x     r    74864
22:58 < fifi> _icecast icecast    23444 text /usr/local   107411  -rwxr-xr-x     r   239080
22:58 < fifi> _tor     tor        89984 text /usr/local   107006  -rwxr-xr-x     r  3248200
22:58 < fifi> root     config     89354 text /usr/local    77877  -rwxr-xr-x     r   196240
22:58 < fifi> root     log        26141 text /usr/local    77894  -rwxr-xr-x     r    31448
22:58 < Bradipo> pastebin would have been better.
22:58 < fifi> _dovecot anvil      32466 text /usr/local    77874  -rwxr-xr-x     r    29536
22:58 < fifi> root     dovecot    46660 text /usr/local   292197  -rwxr-xr-x     r   109384
22:58 < pardis> a simple "no" would have been even better
22:58 < fifi> FUCK
22:58 < fifi> sorry for spam
22:58 < fifi> OMG
22:58 < fifi> https://paste.oddprotocol.org/odd/64c1a5025b869.html
22:58 < fifi> FUCK SORRY!
22:59 < fifi> DAMN
22:59 < Erhard> lol
22:59 < fifi> I thought I copied the link but it didn't, SORRY 
22:59 < fifi> No I didn't :(
22:59 < Bradipo> Stop the processes then make sure there is nothing holding it open.
22:59 < fifi> dang xd
23:00 < Bradipo> Technically, there shouldn't be anything writing to /usr/local, but you never know.  I would stop the processes, then dump the filesystem, then unmount.
23:00 < fifi> so that means that my servers are going to be offline for a while
23:01 < Bradipo> Yep.
23:01 < pardis> that is unavoidable no matter how you approach this, since you cannot resize a filesystem online
23:01 < fifi> ok
23:01 < fifi> but later I can simply rerun the processes easily?
23:02 < Bradipo> Well, again, this is why I prefer to just "shutdown now" and use the console.  Seems cleaner.  But yes, you'll have to restart whatever services you shutdown.
23:02 < fifi> ok tnx, I am on it now then, thanks for your time and sorry for that spam
23:02 < fifi> ok :)
23:02 < fifi> ok I will do shutdown then
23:02 < Bradipo> You should be using rcctl to stop/start.
23:03 < fifi> ok I think that's all I want to know for now, thank you very much! 
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23:03 < Bradipo> Well, you're almost there with current steps.
23:03 < fifi> ok :) great, thank you again!
23:03 < Bradipo> Just stop your services, backup, unmount, resize, reformat, mount, and restore. Simple, right?
23:03 < fifi> ok :)
23:03 < fifi> yea :)
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23:04 < fifi> I am gonna to copy paste this conversation just in case I forget to do something, thanks again!
23:04 < Bradipo> Well, actually, you may not need to reformat if you just "growfs".
23:05 < Bradipo> Does growfs maintain the existing fs?  If so, you may not have needed to do any backup at all, sorry.
23:05 < Bradipo> Though, it's a good policy to have it.
23:05 < fifi> it's ok, I am gonna chat with my 'mentor' now, the guys who are behind the VPS, gonna tell them what I need to do and just ask them for help and guidance for now, cuz that seems to be important :)
23:05 < fifi> thanks again :)
23:05 < pardis> growfs does maintain the existing fs, but it also tells you to make a backup first (see the documentation for -y in growfs(8))
23:06 < Bradipo> Yes, definitely should take a backup first, whether or not you reformat and restore from it.
23:06 < pardis> of course, that isn't *so* critical for /usr/local because everything there is normally regeneratable with pkg_add
23:07 < Bradipo> Right, but the DB for pkg is in /var/lib, so it would think all the packages are already installed.  So some cleanup would be required.
23:07 < fifi> yes :)
23:07 < pardis> indeed, I just mean that cleanup would at least be possible in the unlikely event that growfs messes things up
23:07 < Bradipo> Sorry, not /var/lib, but /var/db
23:07 < Bradipo> Right.
23:07 < pardis> unlike if you were growfsing /home
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23:53 < se1> oh lord, I'm trying to configure dual monitor setup with xrandr and I recall having this same nightmare about 5 years ago. tested it with a debian usb, works great. time to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
23:55 < se1> maybe this port lxrandr will come in handy
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