--- Log opened Thu Jul 27 00:00:19 2023
00:00 < se1> primary monitor just has crazy artifacting all over the place
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00:11 < phy1729> If it's a static setup, just put the xrandr commands into .xinitrc   xrandr --output foo --auto   xrandr --outbar bar --auto --right-of foo
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00:12 < pardis> you can also use xorg.conf (which is a mostly mechanical transformation of the xrandr command line)
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00:13 < pardis> that way you don't wait until you're logged in to see the effect (which can be important if you need to rotate your output or something)
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00:33 < se1> yes, I tried xrandr --output HDMI-A-0 --primary --set --mode 2560x1440 --output DVI-D-0 --mode 800x1280 --right-of HDMI-A-0 & in my .xsession, should have been in .xinitrc I suppose. Goofing with arandr I got the roration & resolutions ok. Now trying to figure out why my main display is going beserk with artifacting 
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00:40 < se1> I wonder what linux crap is doing to prevent my screen from going haywire
00:40 < oldlaptop> dmesg might be worth a look
00:40 < oldlaptop> that sounds offhand like some kind of driver issue
00:42 < se1> https://clbin.com/wgVtM
00:42 < oldlaptop> is that from after artifacting has taken place?
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00:43 < oldlaptop> (ah, there's even a reboot in there)
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00:43 < oldlaptop> seems weird in the first boot:
00:43 < oldlaptop> amdgpu0: 800x1280, 32bpp
00:43 < se1> main display is 2560x1440 and now I have this little 800x1280 hooked up too
00:44 < oldlaptop> that looks like two boots in which it picked the little one up as the "main" display, and one (the last) in which it didn't
00:45 < oldlaptop> which might suggest it's wiser to boot without the little one plugged in?
00:45 < se1> I think after saving xrandr settings (using arandr gui) it now defaults the 1440p as primary
00:45 < oldlaptop> even if that's so, I'd reckon this is sendbug material
00:45 < oldlaptop> xrandr shouldn't affect what happens before X starts
00:46 < se1> thats true
00:46 < oldlaptop> in particular, arandr "saves settings" by writing out a one-liner shell script that calls xrandr
00:46 < oldlaptop> (and loads them by executing it)
00:46 < se1> how would the system decide which screen is primary prior to x session>
00:47 < se1> s/would/does
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00:48 < oldlaptop> IME there generally seems to be a fixed priority (per output, not per *screen*, i.e. some card - or the driver for it? - with a DP output and an HDMI one might pick DP as the primary)
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00:50 < se1> hmmm.
00:55 < se1> been using intel integrated graphics all these years on openbsd with no issues, this time around I went AMD. almost kicking myself 
00:55 < se1> although I'm inside the amazon return window. bahaha.
00:55  * oldlaptop would rather have the AMD *CPU* cores :|
00:56 < se1> it is a nice chip that's for sure. undervolted it from 1.2 something to 1.025 and brought it up to 4.0ghz
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00:57 < oldlaptop> If this is a desktop, I'd consider dropping a dGPU in it (also going to be radeon...)
00:58 < oldlaptop> if this is a laptop, wait what the hell kind of laptop exposes voltages and multipliers?!
00:59 < se1> yes desktop. I was thinking of grabbing an xfx radeon r5 200 off ebay for $15 bux
00:59 < se1> I heard the compatability is good
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01:02 < oldlaptop> anyhow, probably something to send a bug about
01:02 < se1> will do thanks
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02:29 < se1> I wonder how stable a radeon rx 550 would be these days. nice thing on those is 4 hdmi ports. i like that. only needs pcie for power too.
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03:20 < housemate> hello good fellow enthusiasts I just wish to know which file contains IPs which have established connections to the node?
03:20 < housemate> not the httpd one, but for general connections using any port, etc.
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03:24 < phy1729> None by default. See man pflow
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03:32 < housemate> I see....
03:32 < housemate> so there is no logging of IPs which establish a connection to the server in general..?
03:32 < housemate> fuck.
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03:34 < lts> Chances are high you have pflog enabled https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/logging.html
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03:35 < lts> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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04:21 < se1> hehe
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08:03 < _johnny> hi all. anybody using bgpd on OpenBSD? im getting this error "sending notification: error in UPDATE message, AS-Path unacceptable" and my bgpd keep notifying my upstream of that error and closing the link. It does not log anything else. tcpdump shows indeed my side sending "BGP (NOTIFICATION: error UPDATE Message Error, subcode Malformed AS_PATH) (DF) [tos 0xc2 (E)]". I would filter the offender but even 
08:03 < _johnny> running bgpd with "-dv" does not show more verbose output. anybody experienced the same? any idea how to solve this? thanks in advance!
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09:15 < tercaL> the "error_log" PHP directive in OpenBSD 7.3 (PHP 8.0.29) doesn't work. And I guess I'm sure about that. log_errors  is "On", display_errors is "On", error_log is set as this -> error_log = /var/www/logs/php-errors.log, the log file has full web server permissions, accessible. Still, no error is getting logged into that file from PHP. (Generated an error by a test.php file and checked it through a browser, the browser gave the error output but it wasn't 
09:15 < tercaL> logged) Any idea where to report this?
09:17 < tercaL> Considering nginx is chroot'd into /var/www/ directory, tried to set: error_log = /logs/php-errors.log as well - nothing changed.
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12:37 < dennis> tercaL: I havent used php in a long time, but I think `display_errors` is about showing errors to the client, and has nothing to do about logs.
12:37 < dennis> What is `error_reporting` set to? IIRC that defines the log-level
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13:07 < a1fa> o/
13:07 < lavaball> the indians called. 
13:07 < lavaball> but now they said my apple device has errors or something.
13:09 < lavaball> anyway, anyone tried profanity? 
13:09 < a1fa> dont answer your phone
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13:10 < a1fa> lavaball: you got an iphone?
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13:12 < lavaball> no. that's the whole problem.
13:12 < lavaball> i mean i don't have windows either, but i have seen enough "it's horrible" compilations to raise my record time to
13:12 < sibiria> did you ask them if they were aware that the floor is lava?
13:12 < lavaball> 76 minutes!
13:13 < lavaball> but with the iphone .. well, i hope i can just startpage enough pictures to convince them.
13:13 < lavaball> also with the 76 minutes they weren't angry, but said they would call back.
13:13 < lavaball> so truly my finest work.
13:13 < eea> i love those calls, i always play along and give them a .mil IP when they asl for.it
13:13 < sibiria> soon you will reach Kitboga's level
13:14 < lavaball> i had everything in there too. took a shit, accidentally turned it off  and then windows update started. 
13:14 < phy1729> Is this OpenBSD related?
13:14 < eea> nope
13:14 < lavaball> then they had me download 64 bit exe and it came to me! i now have a 32 bit system.
13:14 < lavaball> oh no!
13:14 < lavaball> everybody run! the topic police!
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13:15 < phy1729> Run faster next time
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13:16 < eea> anyone run openbsd/pf as a core router with multiple 10Gbe wan links?
13:17 < sibiria> probably, but nobody will saturate even one of those 10GbE links :)
13:18 < eea> really? i have an openbsd host that does saturate the 10Gbe lan link
13:18 < eea> only 1 tho
13:18 < eea> pf is dead simple
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13:18 < sibiria> yes, it's just dead slow
13:19 < sibiria> if you only forward frames across two interfaces you can saturate 10GbE with not much CPU grunt. but once you actually wrangle the traffic openbsd's currently low performance makes itself noticable quickly
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13:20 < sibiria> there's only so much CPU power you can throw at the problem for now
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13:21 < sibiria> but that said, 7.3 is definitely snappier than what openbsd was some 3 years ago
13:22 < eea> my currebnt host does have dual e3 xeon gold cpus
13:22 < oldlaptop> better all the time
13:22 < eea> yea
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13:26 < eea> i swear i saw a blog or presentation from one of the openbsd core team running it in a carrier/isp context
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13:27 < sibiria> in the mid 2000s an acquaintance of mine used openbsd at the core of a small ISP he managed
13:29 < eea> hmm, may be worth an experiment... i have a newer dual xeon host itching for some work
13:29 < sibiria> it was a small ISP in baden-wurttemberg, germany, which later became what is today "Kabel BW"
13:30 < sibiria> one of the region's larger ISPs i think
13:30 < eea> i have about 350 users today
13:30 < sibiria> or merged into the growing Kabel BW perhaps, i can't recall since i no longer have contact with him
13:31 < sibiria> eea: small-town ISP?
13:31 < eea> sibiria: IT director
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13:32 < eea> so... kinda
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13:53 < GnarledHorn> Looking at /etc/rc.d/rc.subr, /etc/rc.d/spamlogd (as an example), and the associated man pages (rc.d, rcctl, rc.conf), it seems like there is an easy way to reuse the existing functionality for adding a new service. Is there documentation someplace that covers creating a new system service? I'd like to wrap my application so it can be uniformly managed
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14:25 < ninjin> Is there a go-to way to set the permissions and ownership of a file to the same as another given file? Apparently by DDG-foo is too weak to get the terms right.
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14:32 < Bradipo> What is DDG?
14:32 < thrig> duck duck go
14:33 < Bradipo> Ahh ok.
14:33 < thrig> derp doing google
14:34 < sibiria> ninjin: have you checked if stat(1) can alter output format for the permission portion?
14:34 < xse> eeh when you copy files depending on who copies it you can get the same owner/permissions and then modify the copy. Or combining "stat" with both chown/chmod like `chmod $(stat -f "%OLp" foo) bar` or smth
14:34 < sibiria> (to one of the compatible formats for chmod)
14:34 < thrig> and hopefully no halfway changed files if the chmod or own fails
14:34 < sibiria> yeah exactly like that
14:35 < thrig> at least mkdir is atomic these days
14:35 < ninjin> Thanks sibiria and xse, have not played with stat before, but I can see how to hack it.
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14:42 < GnarledHorn> rc.d script authoring -> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/specialtopics.html#RcScripts
14:42 < pardis> there is also rc.subr(8)
14:43 < GnarledHorn> nice! I found that file but failed to check for an associated man page
14:43 < pardis> section 8 is a funky place to put it, to be fair
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14:44 < Bradipo> This URL illustrates one of my pet peeves about browsers.
14:45 < GnarledHorn> fragments?
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14:45 < Bradipo> The section is not at the top of my browser, but somewhere in the middle.  Cannot browsers bump the topic to the top and just put alpha or gray space beneath at the bottom of the page so I know I've hit the end of the page.
14:45 < Bradipo> Yes, the way the fragment is rendered.
14:46 < Bradipo> #RcScripts section should be at the top of the page, instead it's in the middle somewhere.
14:46 < Bradipo> Because the page is near the end.
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14:46 < GnarledHorn> That happens frequently with the common-lisp hyperspec as well. There are "anchor-dense" glossary pages
14:46 < GnarledHorn> some kind of highlighting would be appreciated, for sure
14:46 < Bradipo> It only happens when the anchor is near the end of the page, obviously.
14:47 < Bradipo> Sorry, OT rant.
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14:48 < tercaL> Might be a weird/stupid question, but in terminal, any way to know when was my OpenBSD installed?
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14:48 < tercaL> ls -al /root/ gives quite random dates on each file there..
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14:49 < Bradipo> tercaL: Try: ls -ltra /root
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14:49 < Bradipo> Or maybe without the -r...
14:50 < tercaL> Bradipo: The first file: -rw-r--r--   1 root    wheel          328 Oct  5  2020 .login
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14:50 < tercaL> So probably around that date..
14:51 < tercaL> It's OpenBSD 6.8, btw.
14:51  * tercaL wonders what's the oldest OpenBSD (version) box online..?
14:52 < thrig> something that need patches
14:52 < thrig> also with meltdown and whatnot, reboots.
14:53 < pardis> if you haven't changed your system hostname since you installed it, the mtime on /etc/myname should give you an answer
14:53 < tercaL> thrig: fully "syspatch"ed back then, till it's supported, but I see your point. A remote box without IPMI/KVM access, never felt adventurous to sysupgrade from 6.8 to erm 7.3.. But remaining on 6.8 seems an another continuous adventure.
14:54 < tercaL> pardis: -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    17B Oct 28  2020 /etc/myname - well, "/root/.login" has older date; 328 Oct  5  2020 .login - seems I somehow modified it later.
14:55 < sibiria> also /var/run/dmesg.boot
14:55 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. I read the man page for pkg_add and noted the -n flag, which I thought wouldn't actually install anything. However, when I ran "# pkg_add -un" in an attempt to see what would install if I were to run "# pkg_add -u", I think I messed up and actually installed everything (see here: https://dpaste.com/BJD9U36GY)
14:56 < tercaL> sibiria: Oh, it's quite recent; Jul  2 21:17 /var/run/dmesg.boot - due to my reboots, I guess?
14:56 < dfdx> Did I do something wrong? Do I just run "# pkg_add -n" to see what would update, and I don't need to add the -u flag there?
14:56 < GnarledHorn> I was thinking the oldest /var/log/messages.N.gz, but that probably doesn't go back ~3 years
14:57 < sibiria> dfdx: "pkg_add -n" alone does nothing. you haven't told it what you want to do, e.g. update all packages, install new package etc.
14:57 < tercaL> GnarledHorn: The oldest message log file;  20.9K Oct 29  2021 messages.4.gz
14:57 < se1> lavaball: are you trolling tech support scammers? It's a fine hobby. I was working as a NOC technician some years ago and they would call my facility, telling me my Macrosoft Binbows machine was infected and they needed my credentials. It was great fun, but a little difficult to hear them over the hundreds of rack servers humming away.
14:57 < sibiria> tercaL: oh sorry, i misread. dmesg.boot will only show when you booted. you want to know when you installed
14:58 < tercaL> sibiria: np, that's fine :)
14:58 < dfdx> sibiria: I see. in gentoo, I can run "# emerge -pu" where "-p" means "pretend" and "-u" means update, to see what *would* be upgraded were I to run "# emerge -u". What's the analogous command for pkg_add? I thought it was "# pkg_add -un" but I think that's clearly wrong. 
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14:59 < thrig> ninjin: mostly untested, https://thrig.me/tmp/mirror-permissions.txt
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15:00 < ninjin> thrig: Cheers! I have grabbed it.
15:01 < xse> ( maybe install can act as both chmod/chown, no clue if it can modify smth in place )
15:01 < tercaL> dfdx: pkg_add -nUu
15:01 < sibiria> dfdx: should work
15:01 < sibiria> i don't think -n only acts on installing new packages
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15:05 < pardis> please stop telling people to use -Uu
15:05 < pardis> -u implies -U
15:05 < tercaL> dfdx: I think the 'n' should be the first char. pkg_add -nu worked for me, pretended the upgradings.
15:05 < tercaL> pardis: My bad, you're right. 
15:06 < pardis> dfdx: what does "clearly wrong" mean?
15:07 < Bradipo> tercaL: I have a firewall that's running 6.4.
15:07 < GnarledHorn> cdtheir assumption about combining flags was incorrect
15:07 < pardis> oh, there's a paste further up
15:07 < GnarledHorn> and a 'cd' for good measure haha
15:07 < pardis> that paste is normal output with -n
15:07 < pardis> it's telling you what it *would* do
15:08 < pardis> if you run pkg_info you should see those packages are still on their old versions
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15:10 < sibiria> tercaL: there are a number of files to go by if you need the date of installation, but they're not really a sure-shot method
15:12 < sibiria> private host keys are one example
15:12 < GnarledHorn> nice one
15:12 < sibiria> like /etc/iked/*
15:12 < sibiria> or your sshd host keys - though these people change more often
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15:12 < sibiria>  /etc/changelist also stays through upgrades iirc
15:12 < sibiria>  same with /etc/kbdtype, created at install. few people change this
15:13 < Bradipo> These two are probably good candidates: /.profile  or /.cshrc
15:14 < GnarledHorn> my .cshrc and .profile predate the system somehow
15:14 < sibiria> yeah several of the dotfiles from /etc/skel usually stay untouched
15:14 < GnarledHorn> (for a VPS)
15:14 < tercaL> great ones, thank you all, gonna check them. A quick ls showed I have no 'kbdtype' file, prolly didn't customized during the installation.
15:14 < sibiria> they are from -release date
15:14 < GnarledHorn> ^ gotcha
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15:15 < Bradipo> GnarledHorn: Likely copied from /etc/skel and permissions retained from tarball that was created *before* you installed.
15:15 < sibiria>  /var/db probably has one or two things not part of distribution but created at install
15:15 < GnarledHorn> my fstab was created during installation. Unless you've deleted and replaced it, that might also be a good candidate
15:15 < sibiria> clock drift file and such
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15:15 < GnarledHorn> Bradipo: ack
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15:24 < dfdx> pardis: clearly wrong in the sense that my output (here: https://dpaste.com/BJD9U36GY) shows that packages were actually upgraded.
15:24 < dfdx> unless I am reading it wrong.
15:25 < tercaL> dfdx: I think pkg_add -un and pkg_add -nu, matters - I mean where 'n' is located..
15:25 < pardis> no, it doesn't
15:25 < pardis> dfdx: have you checked the output of pkg_info to see whether the updated versions are actually present?
15:27 < geezabiscuit> If you run 'pkd_add -un' again does it show the same output?
15:28 < geezabiscuit> If running it again shows nothing to be done then the packages were upgraded. If it shows the same output you already pasted then it's doing what you told it, showing what would have happened without the 'n'.
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15:28 < dfdx> pardis: no. when I select a package shown in the output of "pkg_add -un" at random, say, php-zip. pkg_info shows that it hasn't been updated.
15:29 < dfdx> so I guess when "# pkg_add -un" prints out "Merging php-zip-8.1.18->8.1.21 (ok)" it's not really true. it's just showing me what would happen to php-zip.
15:29 < pardis> yes
15:29 < dfdx> If that's the case, great. I just wish it was a bit more clear, but now that I understand I think we're good (assuming I don't reboot and see php-zip-8.1.21).
15:30 < dfdx> thanks for your help.
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17:41 < ox1eef_> I wanted to route traffic to chat.openai.com over re0 rather than tun0 (VPN). I tried with PF: "pass out on tun0 from any to chat.openai.com route-to re0" but would time out. "route change chat.openai.com <local gateway>" worked fine, but any hints as to why PF did not?
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17:44 < lts> Try adding "nat-to re0" as well
17:44 < ox1eef_> Thanks.
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17:45 < lts> I have something similar, but there the "route-to" is the IP address of the interface, not the interface name, and I needed the nat-to <interface> too
17:45 < ox1eef_> +1. I'll give it a shot.
17:46 < phy1729> keep in mind pf operates at layers 3 and 4, so while you can use a domain name, at load time it's resolved to an IP and that's all that matters
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17:47 < ox1eef_> Yep. Good point. 
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17:49 < lts> Try with just "nat-to re0" as well, without route-to
17:51 < thrig> ninjin: or https://thrig.me/tmp/mperm.c which is less prone to race conditions
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18:02 < sibiria> wow, thrig, single-line conditionals, not even a newline
18:02 < sibiria> you're a renegade
18:02 < sibiria> dude flew off the handle
18:06 < thrig> they waste vertical space, which is limited
18:07 < jonadab> It's nice to keep things vertically compact so you can see more compact, yeah.  Up to a point.
18:07 < jonadab> more *context
18:07 < pardis> time to order more paper for the teletype
18:07 < sibiria> in 1991 someone finally invented vertical scrolling "technology" at least. some day we will have horizontal scrolling "technology" and >80 columns
18:07 < ox1eef_> It is hard to make objective arguments when it comes to style. 
18:10 < thrig> >80 columns is very hard for me to track to the next line
18:11 < sibiria> just adjust resolution and/or monitor size and it's all the same
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18:14 < ox1eef_> I have a preference for small screens and low resolutions. But that's kinda the point. There is a baseline where everyone generally agrees, and at a certain point it falls into the category of opinions.
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18:19 < sibiria> i think 80 columns more than anything is old habits and conservatism. not some magical limit rooted in human psychovisual behavior
18:20 < sibiria> incidentally almost everyone who insists on 80 column limit are unix oldtimers
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18:22 < uwharrie> the academic studies I've seen have suggested as low as 50 columns for readability, but they're generally for prose with variable pitch fonts
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18:28 < ox1eef_> I try to have a live, and let live attitude on those kind of issues. I've worked with people who want to manage the tiniest of details, with the aid of a linter, and it is very annoying. 
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19:02 < GnarledHorn> You definitely won't see an enterprise Java developer insisting on 80 columns. AbstractConfigurableBeanFactoryConfigurationStrategy.Builder couldn't even be referenced!
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19:02 < thrig> Java was rejected sometime back in 2005 or so
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19:15 < Bradipo> sibiria: That unix old timers and 80 columns go hand in hand does not necessarily mean that it is only a vestige of old unix old timers.
19:16 < Bradipo> I tend to prefer narrowly typeset documents to wide typeset documents as well.
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19:30 < oldlaptop> 80 columns is not particular to unix either (really an IBM thing if it's anyone's at all)
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19:37 < CosmicDJ> mainframe? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/the-ibm-mainframe-how-it-runs-and-why-it-survives/ "Z/OS applications with screen I/O are generally coded to 24 rows by 80 columns."
19:38 < thrig> punch cards were 80 columns
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19:46 < rynn> 80's not bad, I tend to prefer 100 myself. Base 10 because I'm not a heathen.
19:47 < thrig> 80's not bad, I could go with 72 or 65 but 80 fits the usual four xterms well
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19:50 < chakuari> hi
19:50 < uwharrie> Anything's better than the guy I worked with that maximized his editor on a big 16:9 display and wrapped at 300. Team agreed to drop to 120 after that
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19:55 < sibiria> i go for ~120
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20:01 < chakuari> hello again
20:05 < chakuari> ircii is quite difficult to use...
20:05 < chakuari> does anyone here use it?
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20:08 < chakuari> maybe irssi is better
20:08 < Bradipo> I use irssi.
20:08 < Bradipo> Haven't tried ircii in a while.
20:08 < chakuari> It's also easier to see messages, as it has highlighting
20:10 < chakuari> I'm trying both now
20:10 < sibiria> irssi definitely the best irc client for terminal use
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20:13 < ox1eef_> I use weechat, but delete most of the shared libraries / extra features it ships with.
20:13 < chakuari> I'm trying catgirl too, but it does not convince me
20:13 < kodcode> Don't you need quite a few plugins to make it friendly? In what aspect is it better than Weechat?
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20:13 < kodcode> I am asking about irssi.
20:13 < xse> i can recommend senpai for console irc, used with soju as bouncer, both are not packaged but easy to install/setup. I like the ircv3 features like getting the whole history and so on
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20:15 < chakuari> Iìm leaving for a sec...
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20:15 < cmpxchg16b> has anyone ever gotten the boot from openbsd-misc?
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20:16 < chakuari> hi. here I am again
20:16 < chakuari> now joined with irssi
20:16 < housemate> citizens
20:17 < Bradipo> countrymen
20:17 < thrig> Romans?
20:23 < chakuari> I think I'll remove catgirl. It definitely doesn't convince me.
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20:24 < chakuari> now the game is between irssi and ircII
20:24 < chakuari> but I like ther former a little more
20:25 < chakuari> now I have to understand how to connect usign TLS
20:25 < Bradipo> It's /connect -tls <host>
20:25 < cmpxchg16b> ircII will let you use TLS?
20:26 < GnarledHorn> chakuari: I'm using relayd to connect an irc client that can't talk TLS to a TLS server
20:26 < GnarledHorn> in case that's relevant :-X
20:26 < CosmicDJ> chakuari: https://libera.chat/guides/irssi
20:26 < Bradipo> Interesting.
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20:28 < Bradipo> GnarledHorn: Isn't that something typically done with stunnel?
20:28 < chakuari> yes, ircII seems to use also TLS
20:28 < Bradipo> Yes, ircII can use TLS: /server -ssl <host>
20:29 < cmpxchg16b> nice, I thought that ircII predates TLS :)
20:29 < sibiria> for irssi and libera you need to define a network and a server to go with that network, then you can correctly use /connect
20:29 < thrig> bolting SSL onto TCP sockets isn't too hard
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20:30 < cmpxchg16b> thrig: granted
20:30 < chakuari> ircII: /server -ssl irc.libera.chat:6697
20:30 < chakuari> and it's done
20:30 < Bradipo> sibiria: I usually just use: /connect -tls irc.libera.chat
20:30 < Bradipo> No configuration required.
20:31 < sibiria> needs SASL unless you connect from residential
20:32 < Bradipo> I'm not sure what that means...
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20:33 < sibiria> SASL is the authentication method Libera uses. if you connect from a corporate network (i.e. some VPS host or whatever) you will need to do so with a registered account authenticating over SASL - and registering an account is only possible from a residential connection
20:33 < dqk> if you can't have tls with something you can still use stunnel
20:33 < thrig> some ISP might block 6667 because it's used by naughty hackors
20:33 < sibiria> libera has this policy to try curtail bot/spam
20:34 < chakuari> so NickServ is not enough?
20:34 < dqk> ssl/tls port is often on 6697 so it should be fine
20:34 < sibiria> nickserv is enough, but you can only register from a residential connection
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20:35 < Bradipo> I still don't know what you mean.
20:35 < sibiria> well, that's fine
20:35 < Bradipo> Are you saying that irc.libera.chat has some kind of "knowledge" about what is and is not a corporate/residential IP address?
20:35 < sibiria> yes
20:35 < Bradipo> And if the connection comes from one of those, they impose restrictions?
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20:36 < Bradipo> Interesting.
20:36 < sibiria> they differentiate between residential and corporate/host. the latter comes with restrictions and requirements
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20:37 < Bradipo> Well, if all they have to go off of is an IP address, seems a bit arbitrary, but whatever.
20:37 < Bradipo> Seems like residential is more likely to have bot crap than a corporate host.
20:37 < sibiria> it's not arbitrary since every IP address belongs to known network (with the exception of chinese netblocks which refuse to abide to intl. rules)
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20:39 < chakuari> I didn't know that
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20:49 < chakuari> just as we're talking about CLI tools...
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20:49 < chakuari> what about web browsers?
20:49 < chakuari> lynx, links+ or w3m?
20:50 < chakuari> I recently tend to use links+, for example, even if w3m is quite faster
20:50 < chakuari> and I like that links+ shows the target of a link in the statusbar
20:51 < chakuari> but I don't like its Unicode support b/c it's really basic (it uses a bitmap font)
20:51 < chakuari> in this sense, the other two are better
20:51 < chakuari> what would you suggest?
20:51 < Bradipo> Use what you like. :-)
20:52 < Bradipo> I use w3m when I want a terminal browser.
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20:54 < housemate> I need more meth.
20:54 < housemate> how can openbsd assist?
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20:55 < sibiria> the p in openbsd is for psychedelix
20:55 < sibiria> ...or so i heard
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21:06 < chakuari> oops... sorry, gotta go for a sec.
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21:09 < chakuari> here I am again
21:09 < chakuari> sorry for these interruptions
21:12 < fro> you don't need to announce every time you join the channel or apologize
21:12 < thrig> sorry!
21:12 < fro> must be canadian
21:12 < thrig> eh?
21:12 < Bradipo> Some people turn off join notices...
21:13 < fro> some people like blood sausage
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21:14 < chakuari> oh, ok. got it
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21:59 < apotheon> 21:13 < fro> some people like blood sausage
21:59 < apotheon> Yeah, there's that.
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22:17 < Erhard> Black pudding... Yum!
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22:54 < emmanuelux> I come back with my pb of setting mtu in /etc/hostname.xxx when inet autoconf is set, autoconf bypass mtu setting, even with a command line ifconfig \$if mtu xxxx at the end, it is not working
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23:06 < sibiria> tried overriding it in dhclient.conf?
23:06 < sibiria> switching to that instead of dhcpleased
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