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06:14 < rk4> hello elgrifo
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06:15 < rk4> that wasn'nt me, 250 seconds predates my hello :x
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08:00 < rahl> And I broke things again. Is there a way to have an httpd.conf root path pointing at a symlink?
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08:04 < rahl> With httpd is there a way to see what actual path gets determined for a given request?
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08:09 < quinq> rahl, maybe with -vv
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08:14 < xse> httpd can follow symlinks fine but it's chrooted so like 'cd /var/www/htdocs ; ln -s ./directory ./symlink' would work but 'ln -s /var/www/... /var/www/....' won't
08:17 < rahl> quinq: cheers, will try. Jusst have to figure out how to do with rcctl; or I suppose I could just test by running the daemon directly
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08:25 < quinq> Yeah rahl look at /etc/rc.d/httpd
08:25 < quinq> But you can just run httpd -dvv
08:25 < rahl> ok, -vv triggers some output in error.log (run direct from commandline)
08:26 < rahl> quinq: ack will do
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08:29 < rahl> I think the logs are still only showing the request based on httpd.conf  location string, and not the resulting filepath
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08:30 < quinq> They I fear there's only two possible solutions
08:31 < quinq> 1/ put yourself some printing in httpd source and rebuild it
08:31 < quinq> 2/ run httpd with ktrace and inspect the stat*/open* calls
08:34 < rahl> For the record, this is my current httpd.conf: https://termbin.com/dod7
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08:36 < quinq> And is there an actual problem?
08:36 < rahl> quinq: Both those options sound fun...
08:36 < rahl> Getting 404 on files known to exist
08:36 < quinq> Do you really have two entries for <domain>?
08:36 < xse> where is this "another partition" mounted ?
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08:37 < rahl> xse: It's just /var vs /home; same physical disk
08:37 < xse> httpd can't get outside /var/www
08:37 < quinq> Ah ok, they're on different ports
08:37 < rahl> xse: I did wonder
08:37 < rahl> I was trying to sneak around not having enough space in /var
08:37 < quinq> Well, the chroot is by default, it's possible to disable it
08:37 < quinq> You can also change its target directory
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08:39 < rahl> That, or I suppose if I'm going to host from /var/www then I guess I should increase it's size to be sufficient...
08:39 < quinq> You could also mount ro your “other partition”
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08:45 < rahl> mount to within /var/www you mean? That could be ok for now
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08:47 < xse> either way can work i guess, the chroot directory is set in httpd.conf see "global configuration"
08:48 < rahl> cheers
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08:55 < rahl> no bind mount on openbsd :/
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09:18 < rahl> And success :) Using a local nfs mount - feels less than ideal, but not so complex to set up that it might just be the choice for now.
09:20 < quinq> And you get read-only for free
09:20 < quinq> “for free” humm ^^
09:20 < rahl> :)
09:20 < rahl> with an added layer of indirection
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09:39 < rahl> If I want to host small videos (e.g. tutorials), how might I get a browser to stream rather than download fully then play?
09:39 < rahl> I presume I could try and serve e.g. HLS vs mp4
09:40 < rahl> But I've experienced playing (unless mistaken) straight mp4 files on other sites and the browser plays as it goes
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09:52 < rahl> Looks like the ones that play in browser serve 206 partial content chunks
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09:57 < rahl> Maybe a browser thing. qutebrowser handles immediate playback fine
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09:59 < quinq> rahl, I'd recommend using a real media player
09:59 < quinq> mpv-ytdl works nicely for that
09:59 < rahl> quinq: ack, thanks. I will look into that 
10:00 < rahl> I do have bad memories of real media back when I was on windoze as a kid
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10:07 < avemestr> rahl: There's also a bit about MIME types and httpd.conf to be aware of.
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10:15 < schillingklaus> qtbrowser still works on openbsd? Isn't the underlying engine full of linux-specific google/chromium code?
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10:33 < rahl> avemestr: If you're referring to the need for e.g. /usr/share/misc/mime.types, that's also in my httpd.conf
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10:34 < rahl> quinq: Thinking on mpv, while that would be fine for me, some of this is for my son who unfortunately will be most comfortable with a browser :/
10:36 < rahl> schillingklaus: my own local box where I'm testing is running artix - the remote server is openbsd
10:41 < quinq> rahl, no better occasion than to teach him a bit of command-line than wanting to watch videos ;D
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10:46 < rahl> quinq: I heartily agree
10:47 < rahl> Will give it another go
10:47 < rahl> I just have to get mpv to play nice with the htpasswd auth
10:47 < quinq> Ah
10:47 < rahl> Tried to pass --ytdl-raw-options=username=... and then enter the pass interactively, but no luck
10:48 < rahl> 401 unauthorized
10:48 < quinq> Ouais, that could be a problem, honestly I don't know :)
10:49 < rahl> np
10:49 < rahl> Really appreciate the help
10:49 < quinq> Good luck :)
10:50 < rahl> Cheers
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10:50 < xse> iirc it's in the url like http://user:pwd@domain/foobar but it's been a long time since i've done that
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10:54 < rahl> xse: ah, will give that a go
10:54 < rahl> was thinking the yt-dlp auth would likely use a different mechanism to htpasswd
10:58 < rahl> woop, cheers xse, that plays nice. Feels so wrong to put plaintext pass into a url though
10:58 < xse> idk what's easier to explore, i think in your situation i'd get rid of the auth and try to find a way to restrict access based on IP/network/.. and with directory listing on you could just drag/drop video links from the browser to mpv
10:59 < rahl> fair point. Main trouble I see there is ISP ip's are forever rotating
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11:00 < xse> yup, you could think like vpn and use fixed ips that way for example (or domains like via host file) but yeah each situation is different
11:03 < rahl> Indeed
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11:04 < rahl> when using the user:pwd url approach, does that still go out in plaintext over https?, or like the parts after the tld, does that info get encrypted?
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11:13 < xse> yes like it's in clear on the terminal or smth but basic auth is an http header it gets encrypted if using https
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11:32 < rahl> If I wanted to inspect the tcp packets that get sent by mpv, I can use tcpdump right?
11:32 < rahl> Just a bit of sidetrack procrastination
11:34 < quinq> Yes
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11:46 < sibiria> rahl: like xse said, headers are encrypted in https and "basic auth" goes into a header. in tls 1.2 and earlier the query (requested path) is encrypted, but the domain (SNI) is not
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11:49 < sibiria> encrypted SNI is also optional in tls 1.3. some servers may not support it, causing the client to send the SNI in plain-text
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11:58 < housemate> hey guys I need meth.
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12:02 < sibiria> sorry, can't help. do you by chance have any biker gangs in your city?
12:05 < quinq> Or some rednecks in the swamp from whom you could directly get it from?
12:05 < sibiria> he's an aussie. no meth-dealing bogmen there
12:06 < quinq> ohhh ok, my bad
12:06 < sibiria> maybe some meth-dealing aborigines on the plains, though
12:07 < sibiria> let's not stray from topic; the question is, do they run openbsd to manage their operation?
12:09 < housemate>  <L29Ah> househorse: the entire globalistic oligarchy is afraid of you, are you happy? <u0_a77> goosestepping: this definitely is one of a kind | "Where the fuck are we? Where the fuck are we?" 
12:10 < rahl> sibiria: much appreciated - iiuc, "basic auth" would be like earlier, putting user:pass into the URI. So that should automagically be stuffed into a header and thus encrypted by default when using https
12:11 < rahl> That said, SNI encryption would be encrypting the whole domain path e.g. foo.org/bar/baz would be fully encrypted, as opposed to only /bar/baz being encrypted?
12:11 < rahl> I'm gonna read up a bit on SNI anyway
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12:14 < sibiria> there's no earlier authentication method in http as far as i know. basic auth is base64-encoded "user:pass" string, goes into a header and nowhere else
12:15 < sibiria> meaning the credentials are only safe with https
12:15 < sibiria> and, yes, sni encryption (aka ESNI or ECH, it has had a few names on the road) encrypts the server name as well
12:17 < rahl> sorry, when I said earlier I was just referring to the backlog here, and the earlier example that used user:pass@...
12:17 < sibiria> specifying user:pass in the url is just a convenient and standardized way to provide the credentials. the data doesn't actually go into the url once transmitted
12:17 < rahl> I had hoped/trusted as much
12:17 < rahl> Just wanted to be sure
12:18 < rahl> That and I can imagine mistyping slightly and suddenly stuff is getting stuffed into a (now malformed) url
12:18 < rahl> Thanks again for the info
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13:11 < TheyCallMePaul> If I am using relayd on a server that has an IPv6 address on the external interface and only IPv4 servers on the private network that I am relaying to, does this cause any problems?
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13:58 < IcePic> TheyCallMePaul: Depends on the kind of relaying. When it only makes pf redirects it would be hard(er) to change protocol, but when relayd makes a new internal connection it should work fine
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14:13 < TheyCallMePaul> IcePic: Yes, I meant in the relay block (layer 7) use. Thank you.
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14:35 < ninjin> I am trying to configure IPv4 and v6 statically for a server. I have set hostname.if and mygate for both protocols. However, netstart -rn only shows a gateway for v4 from what I can tell and I can not ping6 the gateway.
14:35 < ninjin> This could just be me being bad at v6 as this is my first time to tackle it, but after reading man pages and the FAQ I am solidly stuck.
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14:40 < ninjin> fe80::1 is my gateway and this is what I am currently trying to make sense of: https://paste.sr.ht/~ninjin/e844d868ac85c821114148fc7713726baf600855
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15:00 < ninjin> Thank you for the rubber ducking. Found an old conversation on misc@ and now have a proof of concept I just need to understand properly and then weave into /etc.
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15:52 < IcePic> ninjin: fe80:: ips are link local ones and can appear on any interface, so when you ping something on fe80 you need to specify which device should send the pings
15:52 < IcePic> ie, all v6-capable interfaces have an fe80: ip
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15:54 < IcePic> I don't think mygate takes interface additions (but I haven't tested), so you might have to add a !-command to either the relevant hostnae.if file or to mygate that adds the default route to go via a specific interface.
15:54 < IcePic> also, being able to "ping6 fe80::1%if0" (replace if0 with your interface) is a requirement I guess
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20:29 < rahl> Next challenge - have an app listening on a given port, but getting no connections - wondering if default of is constricting it (I would hope so)
20:30 < rahl> How might I check if the port is correctly open, and if pf is the issue, how to correctly open the port
20:32 < thrig> netstat might be good to run
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20:34 < rahl> I have thus far tried via appending one line to pf.conf https://termbin.com/wpfb
20:34 < rahl> thrig: ack. will try
20:34 < quinq> rahl, pflog might help there
20:34 < quinq> rahl, I get a 404 there
20:35 < rahl> looks pretty ideal also
20:35 < rahl> quinq: sorry, -wpfb +spfb
20:36 < rahl> I have unfortunately got no experience with pf
20:36 < rahl> No time like the present
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20:39 < CosmicDJ> rahl: netstat -an | grep 50000
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20:39 < thrig> or netstat -lnp tcp
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20:45 < quinq> rahl, you can add the log directive to a rule, and it'll be logged to a special pflog0 interface
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21:30 < pardis> default pf does not block almost anything, as is expected
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21:32 < pardis> what exactly does "getting no connections" mean? how are you trying to connect, and how does it fail?
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21:55 < rahl> CosmicDJ: thrig: ack thanks
21:56 < rahl> pardis: setting up rtorrent, gets no connection
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21:57 < rahl> hmm nvm, looks like things might be behaving
21:58 < pardis> no connection from what? what is trying to connect?
21:59 < rahl> pardis: torrent tracker/peers - but it appears to be behaving now
21:59 < pardis> how do you know you just didn't have any attempting connections before?
22:00 < pardis> didn't not have, rather
22:00 < quinq> You need a single entry IP address
22:00 < quinq> Sorry, I meant port
22:01 < rahl> pardis: I guess I didn't know. Started to dig after there was no activity for considerable time
22:02 < rahl> I possibly just need to get used to the client (rtorrent) to know when silence is not necessarily no connections (or at least connection attempts)
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22:03 < pardis> or you need to test a connection first instead of assuming a problem exists, in case something similar happens again
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22:12 < sibiria> rahl: better not to get used to rtorrent
22:12 < sibiria> it's broken, barely works well on linux
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22:12 < sibiria> switch to transmission
22:13 < xse> pkg readme reports "hash performance issues"
22:13 < sibiria> also massive memory leaks
22:13 < sibiria> eats up all your RAM over time
22:13 < sibiria> then your swap memory
22:13 < sibiria> then your sanity
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22:23 < topcat001> transmission in daemon mode is awesome
22:23 < topcat001> rtorrent also has many limitations
22:25 < quinq> transmission works gut
22:25 < quinq> And it has a nice RPC mechanism
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22:28 < oldlaptop> New euphemism: "unanticipated RPC mechanism"
22:32 < thrig> remote pwned channel?
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22:33 < sibiria> should of course only be exposed to localhost and with credentials standing in the way
22:35 < quinq> “Remote procedure call”
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22:36 < quinq> It's exposed to LAN, here
22:36 < sibiria> if it's outside the software, it's remote :)
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22:37 < sibiria> but, sure, LAN should be trusted
22:37 < quinq> I was just answering thrig
22:37 < sibiria> i don't use its RPC stuff for anything yet. only the excellent web daemon
22:37 < quinq> Yes, remote means remote
22:38 < quinq> The cli is pretty nice for scripting
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22:38 < sibiria> bona fide torrent client, imo
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22:47 < rahl> sibiria: oh. bugger it then
22:48 < rahl> ok, will try transmission - used it years ago, but neverl cli-only
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22:58 < sibiria> been years since i used the cli version as well. i find the web daemon the most convenient
22:59 < quinq> The web client, no?
23:00 < sibiria> it's a daemon with web frontend
23:00 < sibiria> "transmission-daemon"
23:00 < quinq> https://github.com/tremc/tremc is handy too, if you can deal with using python hell
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23:00 < quinq> sibiria, it's a daemon, independant of the remote client
23:01 < Lucas6023> tremc doesn't work with Transmission 4
23:01 < quinq> You can use, as we already stated the cli, or a web ui, or whatever
23:01 < quinq> Lucas6023, of course it does :)
23:03 < Lucas6023> oh, they did add support for it, but didn't make a new release
23:03 < Lucas6023> sad
23:04 < Lucas6023> you all should try transmission-remote-gtk, it's super nice
23:04 < Lucas6023> there is even a kind soul that made a port for it
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23:05 < quinq> I don't think they really added support for it, because the RPC language didn't change there
23:06 < quinq> They didn't even change the version check
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23:06 < Lucas6023> yes, but they were checking some version number somewhere
23:06 < Lucas6023> https://github.com/tremc/tremc/commit/a8aaf9a6728a9ef3d8f13b3603456b0086122891
23:06 < Lucas6023> the very first commit after 0.9.3 tag
23:07 < quinq> TRNSM_VERSION_MAX = '3.0.0'
23:09 < Lucas6023> Unsupported Transmission version: 4.0.3 (6b0e49bbb2) -- RPC protocol ver
23:09 < Lucas6023> Please install Transmission version 3.0.0 or lower.
23:10 < Lucas6023> that's what I get with a tagged 0.9.3
23:10 < Lucas6023> hm, the "sion 17" got cut away after a resize ^^'
23:11 < quinq> Hummm, you're right!
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23:13 < quinq> They only check the RPC version indeed, and use the transmission version only for messaging
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23:42 < rahl> I never used the web ui either - I suppose remotely that would be quite nice
23:43  * rahl rolls eyes at self
23:43 < rahl> obviously
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23:55 < rahl> how to do it simply/cleanly to a remote box?
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