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07:37 < rahl> topcat001: skip webui altogether you mean, just go cli/remote? That would be my default approach
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07:39 < rahl> or you mean as a means to port forward for the webui?
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07:56 < rahl> neat
07:57 < rahl> when running e.g. `ssh -L <localport>:localhost:<remoteport> <ssh-alias>` is it normal to also get a login shell?
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08:38 < lts> Yes
08:39 < rahl> lts: Ok cool. Kinda thought it would just leave a silent tunnel
08:39  * zelest points at -T
08:40 < rahl> zelest: much obliged
08:40 < zelest> :)
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08:42 < rahl> And now ctl-d is apparently not fully detaching
08:43 < zelest> ctl-d?
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08:44 < rahl> What I do to exit a terminal when by reflex
08:44 < rahl> usually I use ~. with ssh connections
08:44 < zelest> That will just drop the connection though?
08:44 < rahl> Correct. That's what I was trying to do
08:44 < zelest> What if you ctrl+z then 'bg'
08:45 < rahl> That's ideal for leaving in the background, yes ;)
08:45 < rahl> I was gonna try -T
08:45 < zelest> Isn't that what you're trying to do? :P
08:45 < zelest> tmux is also an alternative of course.
08:46 < rahl> I'm just trying to get comfortable with hwo I would open and close said tunnel generally
08:46 < rahl> how*
08:46 < zelest> Ah
08:46 < rahl> likely it will end up in tmux
08:46 < bsandro> you can use 'nohup' too
08:47 < zelest> I don't know your exact use-case of course, but I resorted to using wireguard instead of ssh socks tunnels
08:47 < zelest> Oh wait, nevermind that
08:47 < zelest> -L != -D :D
08:47 < zelest> It's still too much monday for me
08:47 < rahl> :)
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08:50 < rahl> When I can't even use ~. is there anything gentler than kill -9 to close the tunnel?
08:51 < zelest> ctrl+c?
08:51 < rahl> if that works I might kick myself
08:51 < zelest> Uhm?
08:52 < rahl> Because I really should have thought of trying that already
08:52 < zelest> Ohh
08:52 < zelest> I thought your meant kick yourself as in, kill your own connection :P
08:52 < rahl> Turns out, plain old kill likely did the trick, i just needed to run fg :/
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08:54 < rahl> zelest: oh, haha; no, just self-inflicted physical abuse for purposes of neurological incentive to do better
08:54 < zelest> :D
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11:56 < cadmio> Hello
11:56 < cadmio> are characters like ~ and . special bash characters or only characters that are interpreted by unix command?
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12:08 < sibiria> they're special only to software that chooses to interpret them in certain context. they don't really mean anything to the file system itself. it works fine to have . and even ~ in filenames
12:09 < sibiria> do: "man glob"
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12:10 < cadmio> sibiria:indeed but in the text I'm reading '.' is considered a bash special character https://imgur.com/vFEE0Hx.png
12:10 < cadmio> as well in other text I find it written they are shell special characters
12:10 < sibiria> it's special in the right context, for example a path
12:11 < sibiria> just like with tilde, it comes down to how/where you use it
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12:11 < cadmio> but I don't think they are realted to bash
12:11 < sibiria> they are standardized (mostly) across all shells
12:11 < sibiria> they are not "bash-isms"
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12:15 < cadmio> yes but I see they are used like "ls .", "cd ~" as command options
12:15 < cadmio> so they are interpreted by the command and not by the shell
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12:18 < cadmio> it's the 'ls' program which is interpreting '.' not the shell
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12:22 < sibiria> they are interpreted by the shell. you can control a lot of the options
12:24 < sibiria> e.g. you can disable globbing temporarily if needed
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12:26 < oldlaptop> . means something to the filesystem (AIUI) in that there is normally actually a directory entry under that name (much as with ..)
12:27 < sibiria> if followed by a slash
12:27 < sibiria> or when one is implied
12:27 < oldlaptop> it's not special to shells, in any case, that I've ever seen
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12:30 < sibiria> . and .. were around possibly before the thompson shell
12:30 < oldlaptop> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html is good reading about questions like this - it's the POSIX specification for the POSIX shell language, so it's not about bash specifically (or for that matter about a shell like ksh that's in OpenBSD), but it *is* the baseline that you can generally expect from a unix shell
12:30 < oldlaptop> (that isn't csh)
12:31 < oldlaptop> (or the actual Bourne shell in ancient times, or on less-ancient solaris)
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12:31 < oldlaptop> You'll notice there's no mention of quoting . in section 2.2, because . isn't a special character to the shell
12:32 < oldlaptop> (It makes sense to mention in a discussion of the unix commandline, of course, it's just rather misleading to suggest it's special to the shell)
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12:33 < oldlaptop> while being annoyed with that picture: backticks are not what you want for command substitution, you want POSIX $() syntax (https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18_06_03)
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12:34 < sibiria> it's in itself not special to the file system either other than when a path divider is implied
12:34 < oldlaptop> (this also means it's misleadingly simplistic to say $ means "variable name", of course)
12:34 < sibiria> it's why we can have dotfiles, and files named '..boop' etc.
12:34 < oldlaptop> It's just the name of a directory
12:34 < oldlaptop> (as far as the filesystem knows)
12:35 < sibiria> yep
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12:40 < oldlaptop> (that's also a flatly wrong explanation of how pipes work, incidentally)
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14:34 < avemestr> "This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." - Doug McIlroy
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14:35 < thrig> doesn't explain ls(1)
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14:41 < tercaL> avemestr: Awesome.
14:42 < avemestr> It was a quote related to the "pipes passes output of one command as an ARGUMENT in the next" quote from that book, which is obviously false.
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14:50 < rahl> Is it doable to mount a directory ro and then a subdirectory rw?
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14:50 < rahl> I have a case where one process needs to read from a directory, but another needs to write to it
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14:50 < rahl> And it was nice to mount ro where possible
14:51 < rahl> The two mount points are quite separate, while the targets are parent and child
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15:23 < a1fa> o/ ni hao
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16:18 < seninha> In mdoc(7) what is the correct way to markup X11-like options like -word instead of -w? `.Fl word` or `.Fl Cm word`?
16:19 < seninha> as far as I understand, `.Fl word` implies that the flags are -w, -o, -r, and -d
16:22 < seninha> nvm, openssl(1) has -word options. It uses `.Fl word`
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22:41 < rahl> I have a user x and service with group y. A nested directory /home/x/foo/bar exists. Both available via this /etc/exports https://bpa.st/5NJA. For one ro use I mount nfs /home/x/foo. For another rw use I mount nfs /home/x/foo/bar. All directories involved are chown x:y and chmod 775.
22:42 < rahl> (I realise that's written with a lot of presumption)
22:44 < rahl> Both of my use cases can read data (user and group), but I can only write via the path /home/x/foo/... and not via at least one of the two mountpoints
22:45 < rahl> The process with the shared group can't write to the mountpoint, and neither can root
22:45 < rahl> Which means it must be mounted read only, I guess
22:45 < rahl> But the exports should default to rw according to the manpage, IIRC
22:47 < rahl> And I used mount -t nfs -o rw,nodev,nosuid[,noexec] 127.0.0.1:/home/x/foo/bar /mnt (both with and without noexec)
22:51 < kn> seninha: the mdoc(7) .Fl example shows 'Fl \-fcodes' as valid markup for --fcodes
22:52 < seninha> kn: i saw that later :)
22:52 < seninha> `Fl \-word` is for gnu-style options, X11-style is like `Fl word`
22:55 < kn> right, point is [.Fl word ...] does the trick
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23:14 < rahl> running mount ... having the cursor at the fore and hitting ctl-C caught me off guard the first time
23:15 < rahl> -running +having (on the command line)
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23:23 < gnucode> do ya'll think hammer2 might be successfully ported to OpenBSD?
23:23 < gnucode> Apparently there is ongoing work...
23:24 < fro> no
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23:25 < gnucode> fro why do you suppose no?
23:27 < fro> because people been blogging about this forever at this point
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