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00:40 < gnucode> I kind of wonder what the OpenBSD developers would feel about i3's security...
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00:54 < fro> i doubt they care unless they use it
00:56 < gnucode> probably true
00:57 < fro> i mean libarchive is still packaged
00:57 < fro> it's not like there aren't things that have very poor security there
00:57 < gnucode> I'
00:57 < gnucode> I've not heard of libarchive
00:57 < fro> i mean it's not a window manager
00:57 < fro> obviously
00:57 < gnucode> obviously.  :)
00:57 < fro> just picking some random thing i know has a lot of security problems
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00:58 < gnucode> hmmm.
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02:01 < oldlaptop> gnucode: Perhaps they have better things to worry about than what would basically be local holes in the WM
02:01 < oldlaptop> particularly given that X clients mostly have to trust each other anyway
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02:19 < ox1eef_> What security issues does i3 have ?
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02:25 < oldlaptop> what security issues does any WM really have? as a practical matter X clients generally need to more or less trust the server and the other clients, that doesn't leave many ways for it to end up handling untrusted input
02:26 < ox1eef_> i3 was singled out though. What makes it special ?
02:26 < oldlaptop> An excellent question
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02:28 < pardis> I once fixed a bug in i3 that involved looking at the wrong byte inside a multi-byte integer type
02:28 < oldlaptop> That's not a very encouraging class of bug
02:28 < pardis> wasn't really security-related, but doesn't bode well for sanity
02:28 < pardis> well, specifically it only showed up on big-endian machines because they passed an integer to memmem(3) without casting it to a char
02:29 < pardis> on little-endian it happened to work fine
02:29 < oldlaptop> aaaaaand it was tested on amd64 and maybe LE arm, because all the world's a vax?
02:29 < pardis> I suppose so
02:30 < oldlaptop> point 9 on their front page sounds more encouraging
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07:32 < n6bsd>  /part
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11:55 < Windshield> HELO
11:55 < Windshield> I would like to have two o three X servers running at once
11:55 < Windshield> At least
11:56 < Windshield> I need to have an X login on more than one virtual terminal, besides Ctrl-Alt-F5
11:57 < Windshield> how?
11:57 < Windshield> I have tried editing Xservers but this doesn't do what I am after
11:57 < Windshield> and doesn't do what I thought anyway
11:58 < Windshield> I am kind of in demand for this capability for a management AI I maintain
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12:06 < IanJ> I installed openbsd 7.3 on my HP n54l microserver yesterday, it has a HP p410 raidcard and sound blaster pci-e cards fitted. For some reason sound, with either mpv or mpg123 plays for about 1 second and then stops, although the player seems to continue, then I get an error message.
12:08 < IanJ> [src/libout123/libout123.c:out123_play():701] error: Error in writing audio, wrote only 3024 of 4608 (Undefined error: 0?)!
12:08 < IanJ> main: [src/mpg123.c:play_frame():852] error: Deep trouble! Cannot flush to my output anymore
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12:19 < MaddieKalan> Any idea as to why I get "Operating System not found" on my old laptop when trying to install OpenBSD on it? Its an Samsung NP-N140-JA01SE and yes I used the i386 iso.
12:20 < MaddieKalan> (Its currently running duveun so that works, no idea if its the usb then, could be the wrong iso or something, maby I'm just stupid)
12:20 < Windshield> Did the install go to completion?
12:20 < MaddieKalan> Windshield: No. Its when I try to boot into the USB that I flashed the ISO onto.
12:20 < Windshield> To boot off a USB,
12:21 < MaddieKalan> ?
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12:21 < Windshield> you shoudl rawcopy the img not the CD iso
12:21 < Windshield> found at ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.3/
12:21 < MaddieKalan> "rawcopy"?
12:22 < Windshield> You need to copy it bit perfect- not just copy it
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12:22 < MaddieKalan> Windshield: Will dd be fine for that?
12:22 < Windshield> perfect in fact
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12:23 < Windshield> dd if=install73.img of=/dev/rsd{whatyourUSBdriv e is} bs=1m conv=notrunc
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12:37 < MaddieKalan> Windshield: Thank you.  It worked :)
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12:38 < Windshield> cool
12:38 < MaddieKalan> Is there a button to restart the install?
12:39 < Windshield> type reboot
12:39 < Windshield> o wait
12:39 < Windshield> to rstart
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12:39 < Windshield> it is exit
12:40 < Windshield> it will relaunch the installer
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12:41 < tercaL> Windshield: why "conv=notrunc" ? I wonder.
12:42 < MaddieKalan> Argh, this is annoying, I keep makeing mistakes at the wifi part, why is there not a go back button?
12:42 < Windshield> conversion=notruncating
12:42 < Windshield> Ctrl-C, exit
12:47 < MaddieKalan> Does the .img one not come with sets???
12:47 < Windshield> y
12:47 < Windshield> theres a miniroot
12:47 < Windshield> which only boots I thinks
12:48 < Windshield> but the install73.img has the sets as well
12:48 < MaddieKalan> How do I get the sets then? It asks if I'm sure I want to install without "bsd" and I said no.
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12:48 < MaddieKalan> Oh, there we go.
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12:52 < croc_> Hi, I have an OpenBSD disk image that's encrypted using bioctl. I'd like to mount it on a Linux host, does anyone know how I would do this?
12:53 < Windshield> bioctl -cC -l/dev/sd## -l softraid0
12:53 < croc_> Is bioctl available for Linux?
12:53 < Windshield> to find which disk to mount, diskedit -E sd# to examine the partitions interactively
12:53 < Windshield> I don't think it is
12:54 < Windshield> but they would have a way to manage encrypted partitions
12:59 < croc_> What filesystem does OpenBSD use by default? I don't think I have support for it installed.
12:59 < Windshield> ffs I think it is
13:03 < croc_> I can't find anything about support for ffs in Linux haha. I think it'll just be easier to launch the disk image in a VM. Thanks for the help anyways o/
13:05 < Windshield> no problem
13:06 < IanJ> is there a supported hardware list somewhere?
13:07 < Windshield> https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html
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13:10 < IanJ> Windshield, 'thanks but it's cards and such I'm interested in rather than architectures.
13:10 < IanJ> I found a list in the RAMDISK listing.
13:11 < Lucas6023> IanJ: also the manpages for drivers
13:11 < Windshield> My appproach its to try booting the kernel and look at the dmesg
13:11 < IanJ> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/arch/amd64/conf/RAMDISK_CD?rev=HEAD
13:11 < oldlaptop> croc_: I'm not aware of any support for OpenBSD softraid volumes (encrypted or otherwise) in Linux. OpenBSD's filesystems are supported by linux's "ufs" driver
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13:12 < oldlaptop> (Oh well)
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13:18 < IanJ> Windshield, I have an adaptec 5405z raid card that doesn't appear to be supported, can find no reference to it anywhere. Looks like freebsd does have a driver for it though.
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13:19 < IanJ> But at the moment my problem is with a pci-e x2 soundblaster card that definitely should work but doesnt..
13:19 < Windshield> What does mixerctl say about outputs.master ?
13:20 < IanJ> I'll have a look
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13:21 < IanJ> outputs.master=126,126
13:21 < Windshield> and yet you hear nothing?
13:22 < IanJ> For a fraction of a second, then othing, then an error from a library.
13:22 < Windshield> And what is the error?
13:23 < IanJ> [src/libout123/libout123.c:out123_play():701] error: Error in writing audio, wrote only 3024 of 4608 (Undefined error: 0?)!
13:23 < IanJ> main: [src/mpg123.c:play_frame():852] error: Deep trouble! Cannot flush to my output anymore!
13:23 < Windshield> Is that card PCI
13:24 < Windshield> ?
13:24 < IanJ> pci-e x2 or x4
13:24 < IanJ> pcidump shows: 3:0:0: Creative Labs unknown
13:24 < Windshield> what does it look like to the kernel in dmesg?
13:26 < IanJ> azalia0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 vendor "Creative Labs", unknown product 0x0012 rev 0x01: msi
13:26 < IanJ> azalia0: codecs: Realtek/0x0899
13:26 < IanJ> audio0 at azalia0
13:26 < oldlaptop> If there's a problem with the hardware, as opposed to a problem with mpg123, you might get more useful output from aucat and/or sndiod
13:26 < IanJ> oldlaptop, I get a similar issue with mpv
13:27 < IanJ> So I'm fairly certain it's some driver/hardware thing. The card works perfectly under linux.
13:27 < Windshield> I have had success with an azalea compatible chipst before on openbsd .... that was many years ago though
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13:27 < oldlaptop> Okay. You might get more useful output from aucat/sndiod.
13:27 < IanJ> I'll have a look
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13:29 < IanJ> aucat: default: audio device gone, stopping
13:29 < oldlaptop> In particular, what I'd be inclined to do is (temporarily) stop sndiod, then start it manually with one or more -d
13:29 < IanJ> ok
13:29 < oldlaptop> (you would need to do that as root, of course)
13:31 < Windshield> often unknown product + openbsd = issues with workability
13:31 < oldlaptop> aucat as root, given the appropriate rsnd/N device spec, should be more or less equivalent (and I think you still don't need to stop sndiod first), but sndiod -d would give you a log to inspect when running *any* application that uses audio
13:33 < IanJ> aucat0: attached at -7680 + 0/480
13:33 < IanJ> snd0: watchdog timeout
13:33 < IanJ> aucat0: detached at -7680 + 0/480
13:33 < oldlaptop> does anything show up in dmesg around that time?
13:33 < oldlaptop> (This is probably sendbug material, anyhow)
13:34 < IanJ> nothing
13:34 < Windshield>  see /var/log/messages as well perhaps
13:36 < IanJ> nothing in there either
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13:36 < IanJ> It's like it thinks it's functioning ok and at times I get a little sound but then it stops almost instantly.
13:37 < IanJ> What's the correct way to report this as a bug?
13:37 < Windshield> driver 
13:38 < Windshield> is your firmware uptodate for that system?
13:38 < IanJ> Yeah, first thing I did after the install.
13:38 < Windshield> ok
13:38 < IanJ> I also did it again this morning just incase.
13:39 < IanJ> hmm, I ran fw_update and it added amd
13:39 < IanJ> not sure that will chaneg anything, but it might. I'll reboot and be back.
13:40 < oldlaptop> IanJ: see sendbug(1)
13:43 < IanJ> Yeah, it's still the same.
13:44 < IanJ> Now it's how it was to begin, I start mpg123 and it seems to be playing but no sound, I press pause, then unpause and I get about 1 second of sound and it stops again.
13:44 < IanJ> I can repeat that and get another 1 second of sound.
13:45 < IanJ> But all in, not the best listening experience :)
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13:49 < Windshield> I'm heading off now
13:49 < Windshield> see you
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16:51 < seninha> Hi, I'm trying to install gnustep-desktop and pkg_add says "Can't find cynthiune", cynthiune is GNUstep's audio player. But I'm checking ports cvs and cynthiune seems ok.
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17:19 < seninha> Could build and install the port locally with no problem.
17:19 < oldlaptop> seninha: maybe the mirror's missing it? (mid-update or something)
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17:21 < oldlaptop> the master site seems to be missing it in snapshots(?)
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17:21 < oldlaptop> (no it isn't, if you remember yo spell it right :|)
17:21 < oldlaptop> http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/amd64/cynthiune-1.0.0p16.tgz
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17:22 < oldlaptop> Pretty recent mtime
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17:41 < seninha> yeah, the mirror is missing it
17:41 < seninha> https://openbsd.c3sl.ufpr.br/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/amd64/cynthiune-1.0.0p16.tgz
17:43 < seninha> oldlaptop: i could build and install from the port; i'm gonna find another mirror around here.
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17:46 < seninha> nope, that's the only Brazilian mirror. I'm gonna use the fastly CDN mirror then.
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17:46 < Lucas6023> it's the only latam mirror afair, which is sad
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19:12 < pardis> you could also configure PKG_PATH with a fallback mirror
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19:15 < fifi_> I press record and there's nothing recording :/
19:16 < pardis> download a new record button
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19:30 < fifi_> it's in audacity
19:30 < fifi_> there's no sound being recorded :(
19:32 < fro> whining about it won't make it magically work
19:32 < sibiria> audicity is finicky even on linux and windows...
19:33 < sibiria> does it run under your user or its own user? do you need to add the user to sndiod group etc.?
19:33 < fro> good luck trying to get to the bottom of this
19:33 < sibiria> _sndio*
19:41 < ox1eef_> fifi_: I had decent success with this approach, and it might include some hints that would fix audacity too: https://eradman.com/posts/screencasting.html
19:41 < sibiria> first step should be to see if he can get anything out of /dev/audioN at all
19:42 < ox1eef_> Indeed. That's step 1 on that websight.
19:48 < ox1eef_> And, if you can only record video, you could start aucat separately to capture audio. Then splice them together. That's more or less how that approach works.
19:49 < fro> heh
19:49 < fro> this person probably aint even set kern.audio.record yet
19:49 < fifi_> it's not recording even when I run audacity as root
19:49 < fifi_> never had issues on linux
19:49 < fifi_> I did in sysctl.conf
19:50 < fro> well
19:50 < fifi_> kern.audio.record=1
19:50 < fifi_> Still nothing :(
19:50 < fro> i'm pretty sure this is the same problem you had weeks ago
19:50 < fifi_> Still haven't fixed it :/
19:50 < fro> and i feel like you don't give enough information for anyone to help you in here
19:50 < fro> and/or don't take anyone's advice on what to try
19:51 < fro> so i'm not surprised
19:51 < fifi_> That's the mixerctl output, what else do I have to providfe?
19:51 < fifi_> https://paste.oddprotocol.org/odd/64cea833a0e48.html
19:51 < fifi_> I don't know what's wrong I tried everything that was advised to me
19:52 < ox1eef_> Did you read the man page for aucat?
19:52 < fifi_> aucat is not recording anything as well
19:52 < fifi_> but no, I haven't I will read it now
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19:58 < ox1eef_> I have to drop out for a while, but I would focus my energy on getting aucat to work before a GUI frontend that's opaque.
19:58 < fifi_> ok
19:58 < fifi_> ok tnx
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20:05 < pardis> you never, ever need to (and should not) add users to the _sndio group
20:05 < fifi_> :)
20:06 < fifi_> Ok I will be back later, take care and thanx :)
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21:40 < topcat001> pardis: It's nice to have arrows too, I suppose. The issue is laptops which often have really bad arrow keys :)
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