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00:42 < GnarledHorn> I was living in a world of happiness and light, working with Lisp for software, embracing OpenBSD as my daily driver. Then I had the idea of wrapping my lisp project as an openbsd port. Now my life is misery 
00:42 < GnarledHorn> The lisp world gives not a care about using the network, dropping files all over the user's home directory, etc
00:43 < GnarledHorn> I suppose the silver lining is that I'm learning much more about the ports system and my beloved lisp ecosystem that ever before
00:46 < GnarledHorn> Thinking about bundling up the dependencies? Well you better check the dependency cache. Which cache? Well you've got quicklisp's cache, then you've got ASDF's cache, then you've got slime's cache 
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08:03 < vultdeus> greetings 
08:04 < vultdeus> are yiu the ctholic dev 
08:04 < vultdeus> the voice was the same 
08:04 < vultdeus> like the shroud fell off of the voice modulator 
08:05 < vultdeus> dont be fooled by her childlike pretty voice 
08:05 < vultdeus> ahe is a nun 
08:05 < vultdeus> like children 
08:05 < vultdeus> you are like a babysitter 
08:05 < vultdeus> yer hireling 
08:05 < vultdeus> daemon 
08:06 < vultdeus> tell me 
08:07 < vultdeus> it took years to get a little relief 
08:07 < vultdeus> dada you sent me 
08:07 < vultdeus> nobody helps me 
08:07 < vultdeus> they are all against me 
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08:08 < vultdeus> hey
08:08 < vultdeus> dog
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09:12 < ninjin> Reading httpd.conf(5), I am correct that it is not possible to enable directory index generation for a single directory tree? It *has* to be server-wide - right?
09:12 < ninjin> Tested a few ways and could not get it to work at least.
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09:40 < quinq> ninjin, you can enable that per location{} section(
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09:51 < ninjin> Thanks quinq, got it working now and I suspect I had a typo in the path earlier.
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16:38 < GnarledHorn> The porting guide has this snippet (number 21) : "Make sure your /etc/mtree directory is up to date. (The next step uses the mtree lists to remove existing directories from generated packing-lists). " - is there a utility to ensure /etc/mtree is up to date? The man page for mtree provides an example for a different purpose
16:39 < GnarledHorn> I checked /etc/{daily,weekly,monthly}
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16:45 < Bradipo> sysmerge maybe?
16:46 < Bradipo> I'm not clear what you're asking though...
16:46 < Bradipo> Are you asking how to verify that the contents of /etc/mtree are "correct" or are you asking about how to make sure that mtree is being run?
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16:50 < GnarledHorn> Maybe sysmerge is the one. I don't understand /etc/mtree but I'm cautioned by note 21 in the porting guide
16:50 < wakaflaka> if the new ports db index allowed you to vote without authenticating, would you voote for your favorite ports?
16:50 < GnarledHorn> so my question is in the context of making sure it's "up to date" before making a PLIST
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16:51 < Bradipo> I think /etc/mtree is one of the best features. :-)
16:51 < Bradipo> It's just a way of ensuring that your filesystem layout is in a state that you expect.
16:51 < wakaflaka> sorry, note vote, but rating.
16:52 < GnarledHorn> Bradipo: mtree has a man page, I
16:52 < GnarledHorn> I'll look around there
16:52 < wakaflaka> AI's gonna revise all the pkg_info for typos, incoplete info etc.
16:53 < fro> what
16:53 < Bradipo> I fail to see how.
16:54 < Bradipo> Are the humans writing AI somehow better than the humans who wrote other grammar and spell checkers?
16:54 < fro> dunno but nobody is using AI for this in the first place
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16:59 < wakaflaka> Bradipo: yeah definitely.got more knowledge and canthink faster. i like stick to gpt-3.5-turbo because it doesn't attempt to be creative and do too much reasoning
16:59 < wakaflaka> fro: i was thinking of processing all ports that enter bsdports.org
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17:06 < IcePic> GnarledHorn: the sentence about having mtree be up to date, basically means "have your OS up to date", since it updates when you update/upgrade your OS
17:06 < GnarledHorn> IcePic: In that case, it makes sense. I run -current via snapshots
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17:21 < fro> i don't know what bsdports.org is
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17:37 < extrowerk> hi. could you recommend me any good podcast  or blog about or tangentially about openbsd or BSDs beside undeadly and bsdnow?
17:39 < anthk_> solene's blog
17:39 < anthk_> https://dataswamp.org or gemini://perso.pw 
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17:41 < extrowerk> i have both in my rss reader already :)
17:41 < extrowerk> anything else?
17:41 < extrowerk> here is mine, but i post unfrequently: https://extrowerk.com/
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17:45 < extrowerk> i am using OBSD 7.3 on my T480S, everything works ok, but i have 2 issues: it is a laptop, so i move it frequently. it is connected to WLAN "A" i send it to sleep and travel to home, where i wake it and expect it to join to the WLAN "B" automatically. Both network set up in OBSD. But most of the time OBSD just doesn't conenct to the available network.
17:48 < extrowerk> any idea what xould be wrong?
17:48 < extrowerk> *could
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17:57 < uwharrie> you probably need to kick dhcpleased to grab a new lease in one of the /etc/apm scripts
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18:22 < extrowerk> uwharrie: thanks for the hint
18:22 < a1fa> hinterwerks
18:22 < thrig> hintwickler
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19:26 < a1fa> sup thrig 
19:26 < a1fa> jcs o/
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19:37 < fifi> Hey I accidentally interrupted make install process and now I get errors, is there any way I can fix this?
19:37 < fifi> I am trying to install a game from ports
19:37 < fifi> https://paste.oddprotocol.org/odd/64d147cad2612.html
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19:39 < jmcunx> did you try 'make clean' then 'make' then 'make install' ?
19:40 < fifi> yeah
19:40 < fifi> ;x
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19:41 < jmcunx> try 'pkg_info | grep game-name' to see if it is installed
19:41 < fifi> nope, it stopped at 95% of compiling :(
19:41 < jmcunx> if so maybe 'pkg_delete game-name'
19:41 < oldlaptop> fifi: Could you paste *complete* output somewhere?
19:42 < fifi> sure, w8
19:42 < oldlaptop> Ideally including invocation
19:43 < fifi> https://paste.oddprotocol.org/odd/64d1493a39b44.html
19:45 < anthk_> extrowerk: you can use the join statement on /etc/hostname.if
19:45 < anthk_> also, ifstated can reconnect/run any command on network loss
19:46 < anthk_> my /etc/ifstated.conf , it checks the conn every 60 seconds. It it's lost, it runs that command https://termbin.com/uh9f
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19:47 < joe9> I have a 7.0 machine that I want to upgrade to 7.3. I get this error when I do sysupgrade: 
19:47 < joe9> sysupgrade: Error retrieving http://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.1/amd64/SHA256.sig: 404 Not Found
19:47 < joe9> I am trying to upgrade a 7.0 machine to 7.3
19:47 < joe9> Any instructions on how to go about it? I have network access and can ping that url.
19:48 < phy1729> pick a different mirror that keeps older releases
19:48 < fro> do a fresh isntall of 7.3
19:48 < fro> install*
19:48 < anthk_> some mirrors keep older releases as they state
19:49 < anthk_> some friend upgraded step by step from 7.0 to 7.3
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19:50 < oldlaptop> ftp.eu.openbsd.org in particular is noted for keeping aaaaaaaall the releases
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19:51 < fifi> would deleting openrct folder in ports and downloading a fresh one fix the issue with compilation?
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19:52 < oldlaptop> fifi: The interesting part is *before* your previous paste. I would guess (without digging into it at the moment) that you need to do a pkg_add -u
19:53 < fifi> ok
19:53 < fro> why are you installing this from ports rather than pkg_add anyway
19:53 < fifi> openrct2 is not available with pkg_add?
19:53 < fro> yes it is
19:53 < oldlaptop> (incidentally, it seems unlikely you'd really want to install cmake from ports)
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19:55 < oldlaptop> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/games/openrct2/Makefile?rev=1.20&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup No reason that shouldn't get built for the mirrors, and if you actually have a big-endian machine you need to fix upstream's bugs, not just build from ports
19:56 < oldlaptop> openrct2 is on the master site (ftp.openbsd.org) for amd64, in both 7.3 and snapshots
19:56 < fro> yeah
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19:57 < fifi> ohh...
19:57 < joe9> oldlaptop: thanks.
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19:58 < fro> fifi: seems like you have problems every few days trying to do this or that with openbsd
19:58 < fifi> ok I will have a look in a bit, thanks
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19:59 < fifi> fro: yeah I know
19:59 < fifi> but my vps with openBSD runs ok
20:00 < fifi> fro: are you trying to suggest me that I should use something else than openBSD? :(
20:00 < fro> not really
20:00 < fifi> oh ok, cool :). I use openBSD because I want to escape from windows
20:01 < fifi> on Linux I can use wine, so that's not the solution
20:01 < fifi> oh yeah, there is openrct2 available *so stupid*, I was sure that it wasn't there last time I checked
20:01 < fifi> ok thanks xD
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20:13 < fifi> ok openBSD is so amazing <3
20:24 < GnarledHorn> I've got a port-ified version of my lisp application running <3 checkpoint!
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20:24 < GnarledHorn> join me in a moment of celebration 
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20:25 < njn> beh. linux ;)
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20:35 < fifi> nice :)
20:35 < fifi> congratz :)
20:36 < njn> ls
20:37 < thrig> pwd
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20:37 < njn> ;)
20:38 < njn> ksh: #openbsd: 
20:38 < njn> :P
20:40 < GnarledHorn> id
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20:41 < Erhard> After upgrading from 7.2 to 7.3 my mysqld (maria) doesn't seem to start. rcctl returns no error, but ps auxw mysql reveals nothing
20:41 < Erhard> Nothing in the mysql error log - showing an error or starting/stopping.
20:41 < Bradipo> Maybe try "rcctl -d" ?
20:42 < Erhard> still get (ok)
20:42 < Erhard> the log file referenced stil shows nothing
20:42 < njn> ill be back later, off to work :(
20:42 < Bradipo> You didn't get any extra output?
20:43 < Erhard> Just the normal mysqld_safe output
20:43 < Erhard> (So yes, more that with -d )
20:43 < Erhard> without -d sorry
20:44 < Bradipo> Hmm, usually when you call "rcctl -d restart <daemon" it should provide a lot more shell output.
20:44 < fifi> njn: see u :)
20:44 < Bradipo> Which sometimes reveals errors.
20:44 < Erhard> It porvided the output form running the rc.d script
20:44 < Erhard> But didn't see anything error-ish
20:44 < Bradipo> Can you paste the output on a paste site?
20:44 < Bradipo> Yeah, it may not show anything.
20:45 < Bradipo> Anything in /var/log/daemon (or /var/log/messages even)?
20:46 < Erhard> https://pastebin.com/7sqdysJr
20:47 < Erhard> No, I was looking in those
20:47 < Bradipo> Anything useful in /var/mysql/ebx.domain.com.err ?
20:47 < Erhard> Nope.
20:47 < Erhard> Doesn't even show it started up
20:47 < Bradipo> Is there a pid file that gets updated?
20:48 < Bradipo> Perhaps in /var/run
20:48 < Erhard> I couldn't find one. Where would it be /var/run ?
20:48 < Erhard> ls /var/run/
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20:48 < Erhard> Nothing in /var/run
20:48 < Erhard> lemme check my.conf
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20:49 < Bradipo> Well, it's potentially a bug that rcctl reports (ok) if in fact the daemon didn't start.
20:50 < Erhard> I assume it returned zero, but failed for some reason
20:50 < Bradipo> I always run any daemons that I care about with daemontools: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html
20:50 < Erhard> If I use a socket does the socket file have to exist before I can run it ?
20:50 < Erhard> Yeah, that is a nice pakcage
20:50 < Bradipo> No, it should create the socket if it needs it.
20:50 < Erhard> That is what I figured.
20:50 < Erhard> And usuauly log if it cannot
20:51 < Bradipo> And nothing is logged anywhere in /var/log ?
20:51 < Erhard> I haven't found anything yet.
20:51 < Erhard> Looking again
20:51 < Bradipo> This is sad.
20:52 < Erhard> Not out of disk space...
20:52 < Erhard> Not seeing anything in /va/log/*
20:52 < Bradipo> You can always find out what arguments the daemon is started with and just run it manually.
20:53 < Bradipo> See if it errors out.
20:53 < Erhard> I tried that... I mean running the safe script
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20:53 < Bradipo> I'll be quite disappointed if mysqld is outputting errors and rcctl is discarding them.
20:53 < Erhard> I get the same this as from rcctl -d
20:53 < Bradipo> What's the "safe" script?
20:53 < Erhard> The thing you are supposed to use to start mysqld
20:53 < Erhard> lemme find the path
20:54 < Erhard> /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe
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20:54 < thrig> so much for truth in advertising
20:54 < Erhard> That is the script that mysql has used for running for years on all platforms.
20:54 < Erhard> (Of course this one could be different )
20:56 < Erhard> Running pkg_add -ui  Had not done that since upgrading 7.2->7.3
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20:59 < Erhard> Still going, but there was a mariadb update.
20:59 < Erhard> Let's hope this fixes it
20:59 < Bradipo> What's still going?
20:59 < Erhard> the pkg_Add -ui
20:59 < Erhard> pkg_add
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20:59 < Bradipo> Yeah, probably best to wait until that is done.
20:59 < Erhard> I had forgottten to run that after upgrading to 7.3 from 7.2
20:59 < Bradipo> Though, I'm still pretty disappointed that there is no output anywhere for the cause of what you're seeing.
21:00 < Erhard> No doubt.
21:00 < Erhard> That part is very weird
21:01 < Erhard> At least mysqld is running now
21:01 < Erhard> Some other issue with the wensite connecting to it, but that is progress.
21:01 < Erhard> website even
21:05 < Erhard> A reboot fixed that (presumably other daemons weren't running correctly either
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21:08 < Erhard> Not sure who's brilliant idea it was to NOT have timestamps in the httpd error log...
21:13 < Erhard> Can't even find how to add them...
21:13 < wakaflaka> Erhard: let me PM you my life story,one sec
21:13 < Erhard> Seems like a serious oversight - should absolutely be on by default.
21:13 < Erhard> hahaha
21:15 < Erhard> ChatGPT seems to think the way is to use syslog, which I was trying to avoid.
21:15 < Erhard> Is there another way?
21:16 < wakaflaka> hmm
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21:17 < wakaflaka> i'd recommend ruby-openai (or openai-ruby) so you can chat with it from your commandline
21:17 < wakaflaka> andthen you canprovide it with initialsystem isntrucctions etc etc
21:18 < Erhard> Oh, that is cool. I hadn't heard of that. Can you get that to work with GPT4 as well (with api key or something) ?
21:18 < Erhard> Of course api key access is per use, whereas using their web gui is free for 25/hr
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21:40 < xs> Ola, I'm trying to get a ddb trace in a kvm VM with 7.3 before trying snapshot or building with debug. The problem is a hang that occurs frequently at boot (just after the fd0 driver for qemu loads).
21:41 < xs> It's at a kvm hoster that does not support openbsd I mention. I am trying to use the sysctl machdep.kbdreset=1 at boot but it is not read because init does not start.
21:42 < xs> I am a booting it from a nested kvm and it boots fine there...
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21:43 < xs> So I can interact and modify the system, I suppose the only thing we can do yet is either trying a snapshot or rebuilding the kernel to add debugging.
21:44 < xs> Am I right or is there something more we can try >
21:44 < xs> ?*
21:48 < xs> I'm not sure but maybe this is related with the way they configure SMP on their side. It occurs for both .sp and .mp, but sometimes it boot successfully, regardless if the qemu attach IDE cdroms or changes boot order.
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21:51 < xs> I have noticed some strange acpi/apm reports behaviour as well when running un-nested but just seems to be erroneous measurments. When it is booted, everything seems ok apart this.
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21:54 < xs> The thing is that.. well I think I'm starting to understand.. I'm a bit slow sometimes lol. If it hangs.. without tracing, there's no chance to get a trace. Right ?
21:54 < xs> crashing*
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21:59 < anthk_> btw did someone test openbsd 7.3 macppc under qemu?
21:59 < anthk_> the 32 bit one
21:59 < xs> dmesg: https://clbin.com/1vfCW
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