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02:36 < SamuelMarks> hi
02:38 < Intrepid> Hi all, I need help urgently. I run openbsd 7.3 on an encrypted drive, and just moments ago I tried mounting a USB drive. It said it didn't have an msdos partition so I went about using fdisk on it, and then after only ever doing fdisk commands on sd0 (the USB) I find that I can't even get past the bios opening screens after entering my encrypted
02:38 < Intrepid> PW..
02:39 < SamuelMarks> photorec?
02:40 < Intrepid> The error msg after I enter the encryption passphrase on boot: open (sr0a:/BSD: can't read disk label"
02:40 < SamuelMarks> what fdisk command did you run
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02:42 < Intrepid> I ran a couple. fdisk -v sd0, then fdisk -g sd0 to get an MBR and GPT record installed.. I'm wondering if sd0 is somehow being interpreted as the faux encrypted partitioning (like sr0a)?
02:43 < Intrepid> After running those couple fdisk commands I tried running "disklabel"/only to get " disklabel not found" at the ksh
02:44 < jcs> is your hard drive ide? (wd0)
02:45 < Intrepid> I couldn't mount the USB (always sd0) and yes HDD is wd0 but like I said: it mentions sr0 at the encrypted passphrase post entry stage at boot
02:45 < jcs> softraid crypto assembles a new scsi (sd) drive, so if your hard disk is wd0, your encrypted disk shows up as sd0
02:45 < jcs> so you just wiped the partition table of your softraid disk
02:45 < Intrepid> Ah OK.. And so that's why after doing fdisk on sd0 I lost disklabel (and everything else)?
02:46 < jcs> yeah, your usb disk you plugged in was probably sd1
02:46 < Intrepid> Weird, I did hw.disknames only to find wd0 and sd0
02:47 < Intrepid> So ds0 is the encrypted part of the wd0 that I setup by doing an encrypted obsd 7.3 installation?
02:47 < Intrepid> *sd0
02:47 < jcs> yes
02:47 < Intrepid> Nasty
02:48 < Intrepid> So is there any way I can retrieve data from this drive?
02:48 < jcs> so to recover you can boot to the installer, assemble the softraid crypto disk manually, then fdisk -e it and restore its mbr/gpt partition
02:49 < jcs> if you didn't overwrite anything, your disklabel is likely still where openbsd expects it, it just needs an mbr/gpt partition to know where to look
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02:49 < jcs> otherwise you'll need scan_ffs to recreate it
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03:02 < jcs> think he'll figure it out?
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03:12 < Intrepid> OK I'm at the start of the openbsd 7.3 bootsble USB instlaler screen JCS.. I've got 4/options: Install, Upgrade, Autoinstall or Shell.. Which option do I choose to get going with this manual softcrytpo recovery?
03:12 < jcs> shell
03:12 < jcs> cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV wd0 sd0
03:13 < Intrepid> Done.
03:13 < jcs> fdisk -e wd0
03:13 < jcs> your openbsd partition is there, yeah?
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03:13 < jcs> 'p' will print the table
03:14 < Intrepid> OK I've entered both those commands and after the last one (fdisk -e wd0) I've got an interactive prompt wd0: 1>
03:15 < jcs> ok, 'p' at that prompt and it will print the table, just make sure there's an openbsd partition there
03:15 < jcs> then 'q' to quit
03:15 < Intrepid> After entering 'p' I now see a table with a 0: EFI and 1:OpenBSD with a larger space allocation
03:16 < jcs> ok
03:16 < jcs> bioctl -cC -l /dev/wd0a softraid0
03:17 < Intrepid> Is that a capital I or an L?
03:17 < jcs> L
03:18 < Intrepid> So a non capital l (L)
03:18 < jcs> Lcorrect
03:19 < jcs> make sure it says "Passphrase:" and not "New passphrase:"
03:19 < jcs> and then type in your crypto passphrase 
03:19 < Intrepid> I'm getting invalid command - is there a space between softeaid and 0?
03:19 < Intrepid> *softraid
03:19 < jcs> no
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03:21 < jcs> does just running "bioctl" with no args give the same error?
03:21 < Intrepid> Same error...
03:22 < Intrepid> Yup bioctl alone gives same error (same as when I tried disklabel when I did this all originally)
03:22 < jcs> and what is the exact error
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03:22 < Intrepid> "Invalid command 'bioctl'
03:23 < jcs> what about /sbin/bioctl
03:23 < Intrepid> How do I run this new command?
03:23 < jcs> /sbin/bioctl
03:23 < jcs> from the shell prompt
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03:25 < Intrepid> All good.. I was going this whilst still at the wd0:1> prompt which I've now "exit" end from and have run your suggest bioctl full argument command and entered existing passphrsse
03:25 < jcs> oh ok
03:26 < jcs> so now you should have a new sd0 disk attached if the passphrase was correct
03:26 < Intrepid> Says CRYPTO attached as sd1 and I'm back at # so now?
03:26 < jcs> or sd1 if you are booted from a usb disk
03:26 < jcs> ok
03:26 < jcs> fdisk -e sd1
03:26 < jcs> and then 'p' at the sd1:1> prompt
03:27 < Intrepid> Entering fdisk -e sd1 yields "fdisk: opendev('sd1', 0x2): No such file or directory"
03:27 < jcs> cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV sd1
03:28 < jcs> then re-run the fdisk line
03:28 < Intrepid> Great I'm at the sd1> prompt
03:29 < jcs> type 'p' to show the partitions
03:29 < Intrepid> Yup and p shows 0,1,2,3 with 3 labelled as A6 and an LBA start of 64 (OpenBSD in far right)
03:30 < jcs> hmm, ok
03:30 < jcs> 'q' to quit and return to the shell prompt
03:30 < jcs> then run: disklabel sd1
03:30 < Intrepid> Hmm OK as in a problem?
03:30 < jcs> well i wouldn't expect an openbsd partition there, or if it is there, booting from it should work fine
03:31 < jcs> unless it was a gpt disklabel before and your previous fdisk command overwrote it as an mbr partition table
03:32 < Intrepid> I've done the disklabel sd1 command to find SCSI disk with label SR Crypto and 16 partitions
03:32 < jcs> oh that's good
03:32 < jcs> at the shell prompt, mount /dev/sd1a /mnt
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03:33 < jcs> and then look in /mnt and make sure it's your correct crypted root partition
03:33 < Intrepid> FWIW I think that in the various types of fdisk commands I ran before we got into this recovery exercise, I did end up doing an MBR to replace GPT
03:34 < Intrepid> But I always exited using 'exit' rather than quit so I don't know idnwven wrote these thinfs
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03:35 < Intrepid> When entering mount /dev/sd1a /mnt I get error "mount_ffs /dev/sd1a on /mnt device not configured"
03:36 < jcs> ok, maybe that is a bogus label
03:39 < jcs> well you can try putting a gpt partition table back on the softraid disk, assuming that's what the installer would have done originally
03:39 < jcs> since you have a gpt table on wd0
03:39 < Intrepid> I've looked back up at our earlier shell entries. Disklabel sd1 shoes a duid of 00000000000 below the disk (SCSI) and label (SRCRYPTO) notes
03:40 < Intrepid> Yeah I've always done these installations as GPT as I've got that UEFI bios
03:40 < jcs> fdisk -gy -b 532480 sd1
03:40 < jcs> and hope for the best
03:41 < jcs> and then run "disklabel sd1" again and see what it reports
03:41 < Intrepid> And that command ? What's it doing? Do we then enter a few other commands afterwards?
03:41 < jcs> that fdisk command will re-init the partition table as gpt, with an efi partition of 532480 blocks and the rest as openbsd
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03:44 < jcs> and then when you re-run "disklabel sd1" it will look for the disklabel at the new location (past the efi partition) rather than at the start of the disk where an mbr table would put it
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03:45 < Intrepid> OK, and so does running this -by -b argument risk destroying the data?
03:45 < Intrepid> -gy-b rather
03:46 < Intrepid> Either way I'll run it now
03:46 < jcs> hopefully not, it's just changing the partition table and not formatting anything
03:47 < Intrepid> Do I bother entering that number (532480) and why?
03:47 < jcs> yes, because that tells fdisk how big to make the efi partition and where to put the openbsd partition after it
03:47 < jcs> that is the number the installer uses by default
03:47 < jcs> when initializing a disk during installation
03:48 < Intrepid> Ok
03:50 < Intrepid> OK disklabel sd1 yields 16 partitions a-l
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03:50 < jcs> great
03:50 < jcs> try "mount /dev/sd1a /mnt" again
03:50 < Intrepid> Reboot?
03:50 < Intrepid> Sh ok
03:50 < Intrepid> Ah ok
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03:53 < jcs> did it work?
03:53 < Intrepid> Ah OK now on running that mount command I get "WARNING R/W mount of / denied. Filesystem is not clean - run fsck" and on the next line: "mount_ffs: dev/sd1a on /mnt: filesystem must be mounted read only; you may need to run fsck"
03:53 < jcs> ok, try fsck /dev/sd1a 
03:56 < Intrepid> OK in get several lines for /rsd1a and ends with COUNT 2 SHOULD BE 1 Adjust [fyn?]
03:56 < jcs> y
03:57 < jcs> after you did the fdisk on what you thought was the usb disk, did you do any formatting or anything else to it?
03:57 < Intrepid> Mark file system clean? [Fyn]
03:57 < jcs> y
03:57 < jcs> then try to mount again
03:58 < Intrepid> OK it mounted to /mnt
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03:58 < jcs> cat /mnt/etc/fstab
03:58 < jcs> and see what partition is your /usr 
04:01 < Intrepid> There's a few so is it /usr/ rw, nodev, nosuid 1 2 at the top of the list (a partition) or /use/ffs (f partition)
04:01 < jcs> so it's like "asldkfjasldkfj.f /usr ffs ..."?
04:02 < Intrepid> First entry is b partition "none, swap sw"
04:02 < jcs> ok assuming it's f, run "fsck -p /dev/sd1f"
04:02 < Intrepid> Yeah that entry you've just described is in the middle
04:02 < jcs> and if it succeeds, "mount /dev/sd1f /mnt/usr"
04:03 < Intrepid> (Label I'd).f /use ffs rw, nodev 1 2
04:05 < Intrepid> Wait, isn't it important that we get the right one for the subsequent fsck command. Because there's two entries for CST /mnt/etc/fstab that have ffs ... After their partition letter
04:05 < Intrepid> *CAT
04:06 < jcs> they are all ffs, that is the partition type
04:06 < jcs> i just need the one that is mounted at /usr, which is the second field
04:08 < Intrepid> There's many with /usr such as /use/local ffs rw, wxallowed, nodev 1 2 and then /usr/SRC /use/X11R6
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04:09 < Intrepid> Dd
04:10 < Intrepid> Usr/SRC  etx
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04:10 < jcs> you want the one with just "/usr" and nothing else
04:10 < jcs> probably .f
04:10 < Intrepid> The first /usr entry after the /home and /tmp before it is .f
04:10 < jcs> ok
04:10 < jcs> so "fsck -p /dev/sd1f"
04:11 < Intrepid> OK doing that now
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04:12 < Intrepid> OK a few salvaged and cleared entries and finally "marking file system clean"
04:12 < jcs> great
04:12 < jcs> mount /dev/sd1f /mnt/usr
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04:13 < jcs> then "installboot -v -r /mnt sd1"
04:13 < Intrepid> Done
04:14 < Intrepid> Installed bootcloaders on soft raid volumes
04:14 < jcs> ok, type "reboot" and cross your fingers
04:15 < Intrepid> OMG I think its working...
04:16 < thrig> make a backup?
04:16 < Intrepid> Regardless I wanna thank you WO much for guiding me through this. I would NEVER have figured this out
04:16 < jcs> sure, glad you got your stuff back
04:16 < Intrepid> *WO = So
04:17 < Intrepid> Hah thrig
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04:24 < lts> That was great to watch
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05:06 < Intrepid> OK I've found a pretty good guided for encrypting an external drive here https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/disk_operations/encryption/#encrypting-external-disks
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05:07 < Intrepid> Now I'm waiting on the dd command to overwrite this drive with 00 and 1s... I've used bs=8m as I understand its hideously slow doing this witheith 1m
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05:14 < pardis> openbsdhandbook.com is full of rubbish
05:14 < pardis> there is no particular need to overwrite the drive's contents with random data unless you understand why you are doing so (and it can actually be harmful to the lifetime of cheap flash storage)
05:15 < pardis> in theory, not doing so *might* enable an attacker to find out how much space you have used in your encrypted filesystem, if that information is in any way sensitive for you
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12:37 < mavavilj> If anyone happens to be on the Element/Matrix #openbsd, then it would be helpful if someone could pass the admin (gonzalo) a message that his banning actions (made a while ago) will be taken to court, unless the ban is lifted in a reasonable time. Thank you if anyone is willing to pass this message there.
12:39 < oldlaptop> could we please keep moderation issues for other channels out of here?
12:39 < IcePic> court in which country?
12:39 < quinq> I'd be interested in seeing the first case law for internet chat ban
12:39  * oldlaptop sues IcePic in the Grand Royal Court of Sealand
12:39 < mavavilj> Sorry, but I found this as the only way to perhaps access that channel again. Because I found no other way to contact. Please understand.
12:39  * quinq suse Linux
12:40 < sibiria> quinq: oh you...
12:40 < sibiria> there's the door.
12:40 < quinq> There's your fingers :>
12:40 < mavavilj> But I appreciate if someone wants to help with this.
12:40 < sibiria> surely he has an e-mail address or so
12:40 < quinq> mavavilj, while having no link with Matrix protocol, maybe try contacting the owner of the instance and talk your way in
12:41 < mavavilj> Well a bit hard to find. I thought it'd be easier to access the channel through somebody who is there.
12:41 < quinq> Maybe :)
12:42 < oldlaptop> (upon contacting someone actually relevant, you will probably find that legal threats are not a very good way to get unbanned)
12:42 < mavavilj> maybe no, but it's a certain case for that matter
12:42 < mavavilj> I mean, there's no doubt that it infringes freedom of speech
12:42 < IcePic> mavavilj: no
12:43 < IcePic> freedom of speech rules are between you and your government
12:43 < IcePic> it is not forcing someone to listen to you
12:43 < mavavilj> yes but that's achieved by simply passing over a message
12:43 < mavavilj> not by banning ...
12:44 < mavavilj> You don't put demonstrators to jail, because you don't want to listen to them
12:44 < mavavilj> you pass over the demonstrators
12:44 < IcePic> I put exactly zero demonstrators in jail because I am not a government, neither is matrix channels.
12:44 < mavavilj> I don't care for the channel too much, but this forces me to set up #openbsd-fs for "free speech", because of a dumb moderator
12:45 < oldlaptop> philosophical discussions about when it is or is not acceptable to ban people from Internet chat rooms aren't really on-topic here; I would however be exceedingly surprised if any jurisdiction on Earth provides a cause of action for you to sue someone for banning you fron an Internet chat room
12:45 < sibiria> if you really think he has abused his powers as a moderator you should take it up with matrix support or something...
12:45 < mavavilj> but it's about #openbsd, which I thought is not even unofficial
12:45 < sibiria> i'm sure they have a policy about it (just like libera has for similar cases)
12:45 < mavavilj> if it's unofficial then okay
12:46 < mavavilj> but I thought I am banned from the project
12:46 < mavavilj> and that's why -> court
12:46 < sibiria> this is unofficial
12:46 < mavavilj> the matrix?
12:46 < sibiria> both. the openbsd foundation isn't involved in this
12:46 < oldlaptop> This channel has no connection to a channel named "#openbsd" anywhere else, and as far as I know no Internet chat room has any official connection to OpenBSD.
12:46 < sibiria> the mailing lists are the only official channels
12:46 < mavavilj> but they should, because they use the name unaltered
12:47 < mavavilj> I mean, tbh I think people should not be allowed to create #openbsd, unless it's official
12:47 < oldlaptop> Are you going to sue us too, now?
12:47 < mavavilj> it should be #openbsd-myversion
12:47 < mavavilj> no just pointing out that it's a natural association to think it's official
12:47 < sibiria> first come first serve. openbsd is too free to engage in petty trademark disputes
12:47 < mavavilj> if it carries the official name
12:48 < IcePic> so, does the beatles record label "Apple" get to have an irc or matrix channel named "Apple", or does the computer/phone/OS manufcaturer get to own it?
12:48 < pert> does OpenBSD have a bug tracker or are there just mailing lists? I reported an issue a while ago and I think it got lost
12:49 < mavavilj> I think the mailing list are psychologically usually much more suitable though
12:49 < sibiria> pert: only the latter
12:49 < mavavilj> so maybe that's a reason they're usesibiria d
12:49 < mavavilj> used*
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12:50 < mavavilj> I probably think the other channel is a bit more naive than this one though
12:50 < oldlaptop> pert: bugs@ is more or less used *as* a bug tracker
12:50 < mavavilj> but again there's confusion as to whether they're similar at all or e.g. mirrored
12:50 < mavavilj> you mean this has no connection with that Matrix one?
12:50 < mavavilj> not even mirroring
12:50 < IcePic> neither irc nor matrix has any official channels for openbsd
12:51 < sibiria> no connection. the bridge isn't controlled by the moderators of this channel
12:51 < mavavilj> okay, but again it's confusing because they still share the name
12:51 < IcePic> inversely, www.openbsd.org points to no official chat whatsoever
12:51 < mavavilj> the distinction between official and unofficial is a bit vary
12:51 < IcePic> its not
12:51 < mavavilj> if there are contributors then it's a bit official
12:51 < mavavilj> or you mean no contributors take part in irc
12:52 < sibiria> a few of them are here
12:52 < IcePic> people can contribute to both the project and to this random public channel
12:52 < oldlaptop> It is not reasonable to assume that two internet chat rooms on completely different networks, using two completely different protocols, have any connection whatsoever just because they have the same name.
12:52 < mavavilj> it is
12:52 < mavavilj> because people are served by different protocols
12:52 < mavavilj> some use only telegram, some don't use IRC
12:52 < mavavilj> so they assume to find the SAME CHANNEL
12:52 < mavavilj> on their chosen platform
12:52 < IcePic> no, "they" don't
12:52 < mavavilj> so now if I wish to mirror this to Matrix
12:52 < mavavilj> I cannot do it
12:52 < mavavilj> because the name is taken
12:53 < sibiria> the only thing you need to know is what's officially stated on openbsd.org. neither IRC nor Matrix is part of official communication channels
12:53 < IcePic> thanks for not mirroring it, it is very bad talking to people on the remote side of bridges
12:53 < oldlaptop> I don't know how this Matrix mirroring nonsense works. My understanding is that libera administration is largely kicking Matrix off of the network soon.
12:53 < mavavilj> why?
12:53 < oldlaptop> Ask the matrix people, or someone else who knows or cares.
12:54 < mavavilj> I thought Matrix seemed better than IRC
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12:54 < mavavilj> but tbh some of the communities have the typical Reddit problem
12:54 < IcePic> because "talking" to "<bridgebot-foo> somenick:" is not the same
12:54 < oldlaptop> in any case, none of this has anything to do with OpenBSD, or is otherwise relevant here
12:54 < IcePic> the protocols are different, and those differences result in poor environment for the remote side
12:54 < mavavilj> I just asked whether someone can access that channel, and I would appreciate the help.
12:55 < sibiria> mavavilj: you'll find humanities' pettiest behavior on exactly all types of forums. don't be surprised. nothing is spared. but this is still not an official product of the openbsd foundation!!
12:55 < pert> I'm asking for lines 2275-2279 of lib/libc/stdlib/malloc.c to be deleted, which would have the effect of aligning aligned_alloc() with C17 and catching up with the other BSD's. I haven't tested it, but I'm pretty sure that would fix the issue
12:55 < mavavilj> yes I understand, but the name is still taken
12:55 < oldlaptop> pert: (it so happens that sendbug(1) even calls the bugs@ mailing list the "bugs database" :) although perhaps that actually implies there is something else behind the scenes?)
12:56 < mavavilj> so I cannot do #openbsd on Matrix
12:56 < mavavilj> and I have to do #openbsd-nodickmod
12:56 < oldlaptop> pert: If you have a full diff, that might perhaps be more appropriate for tech@
12:56 < mavavilj> which is dumb
12:56 < sibiria> mavavilj: and the foundation still doesn't give a damned about someone registered a domain, writing a forum post, or a thread, or anything, with "openbsd" in it
12:56 < oldlaptop> mavavilj: That isn't any of our business.
12:56 < mavavilj> so why don't you like matrix then
12:56 < mavavilj> you only use libera
12:56 < mavavilj> ?
12:56 < sibiria> someone liked it, and set up a channel there
12:57 < sibiria> that person may have hung out here in the past, maybe still does, who knows?
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12:57 < IcePic> pert: also, make sure to run a full build, and the regression tests, at least those that relate to mallocs
12:57 < mavavilj> mirroring would allow to connect the people preferring a different frontend
12:57 < mavavilj> so in this sense the communities are connected
12:58 < mavavilj> unless the other community is a hoax
12:58 < sibiria> since neither is under official consideration, neither can be a hoax
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12:58 < IcePic> it would also mean we get weird lines from people posting meme pics or weird emojis and that would be a negative for this channel
12:59 < mavavilj> I think it wouldn't take much effort to enforce those trademarks though
12:59 < mavavilj> if there was an interest
12:59 < mavavilj> I think the network owners would probably agree
12:59 < sibiria> but there isn't
12:59 < mavavilj> if the official body did ask them to remove unofficial affiliation
12:59 < oldlaptop> IcePic: that also seems to be why people keep spamming the same message over and over with one or two typos corrected, some goofy thing presenting an "editing" feature or so
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13:00 < sibiria> mavavilj: i'm sure the foundation has better things to spend its time on than policing the internet, when they already made it clear in the past that they have no interest in legal enforcing of the trademark
13:00 < mavavilj> but they could be concerned
13:00 < mavavilj> about the image issues
13:00 < mavavilj> I mean, I considered leaving the project because of that admin
13:00 < mavavilj> because I got the impression that OpenBSD devs are also idiots
13:01 < IcePic> that is a you problem
13:01 < mavavilj> no it's a natural reaction
13:01 < sibiria> whether some of them are idiots or not doesn't really matter, does it
13:01 < mavavilj> well it does, because it affects the perception of the project
13:01 < dkeav> have you considered getting a hobby
13:02 < oldlaptop> mavavilj: If you have some question about OpenBSD, or would otherwise like to discuss OpenBSD, please do so. Otherwise, I'll repeat one more time that this is not on topic here, and ask you one more time to stop.
13:02 < dkeav> something to channel your outrage into, like ice sculptures or something i dunno
13:02 < mavavilj> I understand, but I asked if I can find a person who is on that channel
13:02 < sibiria> mavavilj: either way you should discuss it with the officials. they're not in here
13:02 < mavavilj> and I need to repeat this to remind of that
13:02 < oldlaptop> No, you don't.
13:02 < IcePic> the matrix officials
13:02 < oldlaptop> Please stop.
13:03 < mavavilj> well can I put a notification here then
13:03 < sibiria> you did
13:03 < mavavilj> okay
13:03 < sibiria> a ginormous one
13:03 < sibiria> :)
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13:04 < mavavilj> so do the mailing lists work well then
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13:04 < mavavilj> I thought they're sluggish compared to RT chat
13:04 < mavavilj> but certainly better for constructed discussion
13:04 < oldlaptop> The mailing lists seem work very well for distributing email to their subscribers
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13:05 < mavavilj> there's no way to find constructive info on irc
13:05 < mavavilj> or it's rare
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13:06 < sibiria> you're gonna have to accept that this type of "trademark taint" isn't something the foundation cares about digging into
13:06 < mavavilj> it's not a problem itself, but the issue is just about accessibility
13:07 < mavavilj> but I presume there's no problem because of that one channel
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13:07 < mavavilj> I didn't find it had very serious discussion anyways
13:07 < oldlaptop> ...please, stop
13:08 < mavavilj> well how do you think you feel if we banned you from here?
13:09 < oldlaptop> I somehow imagine I'd be able to restrain myself from marching into unrelated channels and complaining to irrelevant people.
13:11 < mavavilj> it's not evident it's unrelated
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16:47 < riceandbeans> You ever read text wrong because of the way it wrapped in your terminal?
16:48 < riceandbeans> I haven't had my coffee and I read the topic as "Read These Fantastic Manual Pages and other incendiary topics that are unwelcome"
16:48 < sibiria> arrozyfrijoles++
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16:53 < Voyager_MP> Has anyone considert using a carrier grade network (100.96.0.0/14) for a large scale private network ? 
16:54 < Voyager_MP> My conserne could be routing issues with later peerings or provider networks like mpls 
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17:00 < sibiria> i think it's almost as common as ISPs using one of the three private network spaces for customers
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17:08 < Voyager_MP> @sibiria really do you know any big privat networks using this net ?
17:10 < sibiria> Voyager_MP: off the top of my head i can only recall that AWS uses it for some of its container services
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17:21 < Voyager_MP> Yes, thats right, they use it for there mobile-packet-network
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17:58 < lts> Tailscale (et al) uses this range for this purpose
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18:54 < a1fa> jcs o/
18:54 < a1fa> thrig o/
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19:33 < neminis> Ah I feel very sad, I had to give up my openbsd desktop setup in favor of a linux distro due to too many missing things
19:33 < neminis> served me well for many years though, without full reinstall, quite an accomplishment
19:34 < fro> ok
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20:01 < extrowerk> Hi. I am using OBSD7.3 on ThinkPad T480S. The machine got 2 USB-A ports, one on the left and one on the right side of the machine. The right one works with every device, but the left one works only with usb3 devices. Attempting to connect an usb 2 device results in "device problem, disabling port". Is there any workaround to fix this? I really miss that USB port... FreeBSD have the same issue on the 
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20:01 < extrowerk> same computer, but windows and Haiku handles that port just fine. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thx.
20:01 < gnucode> extrowerk: that's a bit odd...
20:01 < gnucode> I always find that slamming my computer on the ground and yelling "bad computer".  Then giving it a bath always solves me problems.
20:02 < gnucode> my*
20:03 < extrowerk> gnucode: good idea, lemme try.
20:03 < extrowerk> Nope, still "device problem, disabling port" :(
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20:05 < extrowerk> AFAIK usb2 device in usb3 port works via usb muxing or something similar, so the problem could be somewhere the usb3 initialization or in the usb2 over usb3 handling on OS side. Sadly i have no idea how to research it any further.
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20:16 < gnucode> extrowerk: I've got no idea either.  :)
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