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03:19 < njn> I can't wait to go home
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03:21 < rnkn> out of curiosity, who here works remote?
03:21 < codermattie> me
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03:22 < codermattie> or at least I did for a while
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03:24 < njn> isn't that the new thing?
03:25 < codermattie> most companies are hybrid now
03:28 < rnkn> anyone work remote doing sysadmin on openBSD servers?
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05:26 < njn> *crickets*
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06:16 < brocashelm> is there a tool that i can use to control my radeon gpu's fans, similar to linux's corectrl?
06:16 < brocashelm> noticing my rx 460/560's fans don't spin after the boot prompt
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10:02 < fifi> [222 12:01:43.292183] Failed to create GLFW temp window! This usually happens because of old/broken OpenGL drivers. kitty requires working OpenGL 3.3 drivers.
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12:27 < MaddieKalan> # mount /dev/wd0a /mnt
12:27 < MaddieKalan> mount_ffs: /dev/wd0a on /mnt: Device not configured
12:28 < quinq> ok
12:28 < MaddieKalan> I tried sd0a too, it wont mount my disk, I'm on the OpenBSD iso file there and have OpenBSD installed on the disk, I got an error and want to mount the disk to debug it.
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12:28 < MaddieKalan> quinq: I was typing my message.
12:29 < zelest> What does 'sysctl hw.disknames' list?
12:29 < MaddieKalan> hw.disknames=sd0:a90670125d00a091,cd0:,rd0:fde630bc293de162
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12:29 < zelest> Then it's sd0 at least.
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12:30 < MaddieKalan> zelest: no.  ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory
12:30 < zelest> Hmms, weird
12:31 < MaddieKalan> I'm on the install73.iso right now and I had just made a fresh install to sd0 so everything should be working.
12:31 < quinq> MaddieKalan, ( cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV )
12:31 < lts> Did you MAKEDEV them?
12:31 < lts> echo
12:32 < MaddieKalan> https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/g.a
12:33 < quinq> Seems like you're having a bad day
12:33 < MaddieKalan> Its actually been a really good day today :)
12:33 < MaddieKalan> (Not being sarcastic, apart from this issue, everything has been going great)
12:34 < zelest> So, how did you end up where you are now? You installed a fresh install and rebooted?
12:34 < zelest> And now you're in a weird shell where nothing works?
12:35 < zelest> (worst MUD ever!)
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12:36 < MaddieKalan> zelest: I installed OpenBSD, shutdown the VM (Yes I used all SATA drives) then booted into OpenBSD, it gave me a funny error telling me to look at a file ("reorder_kernel: failed -- see /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC/relink.log") then I shutdown OpenBSD and booted back into the ISO but typed S instead of I to get into a shell.
12:36 < zelest> Sounds like the install somehow b0rked? Try reinstall it again. :)
12:37 < zelest> It should relink the kernel in the installer before rebooting.
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12:38 < MaddieKalan> zelest: alrighty.
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12:41 < quinq> MaddieKalan, maybe (one of) your partitions are to small
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12:42 < MaddieKalan> quinq: I succsessfully installed OpenBSD with only 1GB storage a couple of days ago, I doubt thats the problem.
12:42 < quinq> I'd say that's the problem
12:43 < MaddieKalan> But this drive is the double of that.
12:44 < quinq> It's not really about the drive size, but about the partitions (file system) size
12:44 < jca> the error message explicitely mentions a log file...
12:44 < quinq> “OpenBSD can be installed in as little as 512MB, but using a device that small is something for advanced users. Until you have some experience, 8GB or more disk space is recommended.” (though 8GB is arguably big)
12:45 < quinq> Yeah, what jca said :>
12:45 < MaddieKalan> https://emailaffinity.top/~mk/files/h.a
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12:46 < quinq> MaddieKalan, standard tool is df(1≥
12:47 < quinq> s/≥/)/
12:47 < jca> bah... the line right before says you're out of memory
12:47 < quinq> Erf yeah
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12:48 < MaddieKalan> So its recommend to have 512MB ram? I will note so.
12:48 < sibiria> 512mb will be tight still
12:48 < quinq> At *least*
12:48 < sibiria> on behalf of the relinking alone
12:49 < quinq> But you can try growing it by the MB if you prefer
12:49 < quinq> Also if you insist on providing low RAM, add a swap
12:50 < sibiria> you know, the base system for amd64 alone and man pages on top, without installing comp and x*, is something like 700mb
12:50 < MaddieKalan> "comp"?
12:50 < sibiria> 512mb of storage isn't really enough
12:50 < lts> How would an install that small work with the current /usr size requirement when updating?
12:50 < MaddieKalan> 512MB ram...
12:50 < sibiria> compiler suite
12:50 < quinq> Well, we're mixing two things here, storage size and memory size
12:50 < MaddieKalan> lts: whats the requirement?
12:51 < sibiria> "can be installed in as little as 512MB"   for disk space this just isn't gonna work out
12:51 < MaddieKalan> Ah flip flop, I gotta go, brb in a couple of mins.
12:51 < lts> 7.2 -> 7.3 wanted about 1500MB
12:51  * quinq starts the timer
12:51 < lts> for /usr
12:51 < lts> (disk size)
12:51 < sibiria> a complete recommended amd64 install is just a tad under 2GB in total
12:52 < sibiria> comp, x, and games to keep insanity at bay
12:56 < quinq> MaddieKalan, your couple of minutes have expired 3 minutes ugo
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12:56 < quinq> s/ugo/ago/
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13:12 < d93> How do I change my lidaction settings on boot? I put sysctl machdep.lidaction=0 in my .xsession but no dice. 
13:12 < Lucas6023> do so in /etc/sysctl.conf
13:12 < zelest> add it to /etc/sysctl.conf
13:13 < quinq> modify /etc/sysctl.conf
13:13 < d93> Thanks guys. I had a feeling I was putting it in the wrong place.
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13:21 < MaddieKalan> quinq: No thay expire in 10 seconds
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13:22 < quinq> It seems your clock is drifting a bit
13:23 < MaddieKalan> quinq: Well it wasn't me whom drove, but whatevs.  Is it possible to uninstall a set?
13:23 < MaddieKalan> I need more ramz
13:23 < MaddieKalan> Oh I know, upgrade thingi.
13:23 < quinq> An installed set will not take RAM space
13:24 < quinq> It takes “disk” space
13:25 < MaddieKalan> Well I guess I could just reinstall every 6 months to make up for the low system storage constraint.
13:25 < MaddieKalan> Or perhaps switch to -stable?
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13:27 < sibiria> thou shalt always run -stable. thou shalt always syspatch and thou shalt always sysupgrade.
13:27 < eea> ^
13:27 < MaddieKalan> sibiria: Maby I'm confuseing -stable and -current but doesn't it not require sysupgrade when useing it?
13:29 < sibiria> -current is snapshots. bleeding edge updates that often provide unstable results
13:29 < quinq> It's for r34l 0p3n8SD h4x0rs
13:30 < sibiria> -stable is the release we're on right now, together with available syspatches
13:30 < eea> do they get special robes?
13:30 < sibiria> sysupgrade is for updating to a new release
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13:31 < zelest> For release/stable systems, you run syspatch. To upgrade to the next release, you run sysupgrade. If you run -current (bleeding edge snapshots), you also run sysupgrade, to get the latest snapshot.
13:31 < MaddieKalan> Maby one the bleeding edge will be stable on OpenBSD :)
13:31 < quinq> eea, and special vapes
13:32 < MaddieKalan> ?
13:32 < quinq> ?
13:32 < zelest> !
13:32 < eea> i love openbsd so hard
13:33 < eea> but am a fail coder
13:33 < quinq> That's ok
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13:34 < eea> i do have an idea for a release song tho
13:34 < eea> looking forward to openbsd 8.0
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13:34 < zelest> isn't 7.4 next?
13:35 < eea> the releases are sequential, yes
13:35 < quinq> OpenBSD 8.0 gives a little more time
13:35 < zelest> :)
13:35 < eea> ~3 years, no?
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13:36 < eea> 6 months per release
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13:37 < MaddieKalan> How come my install is bigger after upgradeing via the install73.iso? And also installing less sets? Is there a cache?
13:38 < quinq> What OpenBSD version did you upgrade from?
13:38 < IcePic> perhaps try sysclean from ports to find (and later remove) obsolete files
13:38 < MaddieKalan> 7.3 -> 7.4
13:38 < MaddieKalan> 7.3 -> 7.3*
13:38 < quinq> That's not really an upgrade
13:39 < MaddieKalan> It looks like the kernal is useing ~650 MB
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13:39 < sibiria> it does, because of relinking
13:39 < Lucas6023> as in, /bsd is that size?
13:39 < quinq> Didn't you just reinstalled over an existing installation?
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13:39 < sibiria> you can disable this (and delete the directory with the object files) but it's not recommended
13:39 < quinq> Then it will not remove previously installed sets, it'll just overwrite the existing ones with the same ones
13:39 < MaddieKalan> quinq: No, I did an upgrade, whitch I'm just now realizeing is point less...
13:39 < Lucas6023> also, if you upgraded, that won't delete the older sets
13:39 < MaddieKalan> WUT?
13:39 < quinq> what?
13:40 < MaddieKalan> The ought to be a way to clean old system junk.
13:40 < Lucas6023> no
13:40 < quinq> Sure, re-format partitions
13:40 < MaddieKalan> sibiria: noooo, why?
13:40 < quinq> *re-create file-systems
13:40 < Lucas6023> I mean, upgrading is not the way to do it
13:40 < sibiria> MaddieKalan: the relinking is part of openbsd's idea of always keeping a constantly changing and unique kernel file to prevent it being mapped-out for exploits
13:41 < MaddieKalan> I'm by absolutely zero means (just look at any of my systems) a security expert but isn't that just security by obsecurity?
13:41 < sibiria> no - but the size of the benefit can be discussed
13:42 < MaddieKalan> I mean if magic l337 hax0r somehow mapped the kernel anyway, would it then be exploitable?
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13:42 < sibiria> it can be
13:42 < sibiria> if you want to disable it to regain ~600mb of disk space, you can. there will be a few practical caveats
13:42 < MaddieKalan> Oh... is this the case with other systems aswell?
13:42 < MaddieKalan> sibiria: I'm listening :o
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13:43 < IcePic> certain exploits work by figuring out the offset from one thing, to another that is more important to know the location of. The relinking randomization makes sure that you and I have different offsets for most everything in the kernel
13:43 < sibiria> a few things sort of assume relinking, so you'll need to sit on top of them so to speak. a few changes here and there
13:44 < sibiria> relinking is always necessary for updating the kernel itself anyway
13:45 < sibiria> patches for the kernel are not diffs for the actual kernel file, but for the object files
13:45 < sibiria> then syspatch relinks
13:45 < sibiria> one way or the other you will need to accept this usage of disk space
13:47 < MaddieKalan> Okay I accept.
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17:24 < zelest> Hmms, seems like amdgpu is giving me the following and then freeze my machine: drm:pid41985:amdgpu_dm_commit_planes *WARNING* [drm] [PLANE:50:plane-2] async flip with non-fast update
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18:04 < a1fa> zelest: amd gpu suck
18:04 < a1fa> i get random hangs on linux too
18:04 < a1fa> AMD 5700G
18:04 < brocashelm> my gpu fan won't spin on openbsd :(
18:04 < brocashelm> rx 460/560
18:04 < a1fa> its not working hard enough
18:04 < a1fa> dont complain
18:05 < a1fa> ;)
18:05 < brocashelm> i had to replace the hdd and put linux there for now (same problem, but corectrl saved my ass)
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18:07 < avemestr> No problems with 5700U here.
18:08 < brocashelm> it might also be my mobo
18:09 < brocashelm> it is an older core2 quad
18:09 < brocashelm> but it otherwise JUST WERKS (TM)
18:09 < brocashelm> no bottlenecks or w/e
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18:11 < fro> k
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20:10 < awe> hello. I saw on the OpenBSD website that there were cds released for the songs that come out with every version. I don't use openbsd but i was wondering if anyone knows where i can get these cds https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
20:10 < awe> Because i sure can't find any for sale online
20:10 < uwharrie> they've stopped producing them
20:11 < awe> i figured
20:12 < awe> but i cant even find anything online about people having them
20:12 < avemestr> awe: Still possible to fetch the song from here: https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
20:12 < avemestr> *songs
20:12 < uwharrie> awe: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20160929230557
20:13 < avemestr> Some other random dude: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sepp0/2007490063
20:13 < awe> are they all available in lossless? if so then it's kind of pointless but otherwise it would be cool to have
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20:14 < awe> avemestr that's cool 
20:15 < awe> but I'm talking about the audio cds that were mentioned on the website you linked
20:16 < uwharrie> This: https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20060920184046 ?
20:17 < awe> yes
20:20 < awe> I bet that all the openbsd release cds are archived somewhere so you could get the uncompressed from that but that's no fun
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20:34 < dfdx> I just found this site and thought it was pretty cool (a public access UNIX system running OpenBSD): https://tilde.institute/ 
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22:48 < se1> a1fa: any suggestions for powerful openbsd friendly intel igpu chips?
22:48 < se1> saw you all talking about AMD
22:56 < gnucode> se1  I am running OpenBSD on a Dell Optiplex...I forget which version...7010 or 8010 maybe.  
22:56 < gnucode> does that answer your question?  Or were you asking something else?
23:01 < mybalzitch> define powerful, what are you trying to achieve
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23:01 < se1> maybe just an Intel chip w/ intigrated graphics that has a lot of cores, and a fairly high clock speed.
23:06 < se1> for instance, I don't know if something very new like a core i9-12900 would play nice with drivers
23:06 < se1> "Intel UHD Graphics 770 controller"
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